Dinosaur Soft Tissue Discoveries with Dr. Mark Armitage

[00:00:01] thanks a lot for being here this evening my name is kevin conover you’re on educate for life radio and we’re broadcasting down here in southern

[00:00:07] california on kprz 12 10 a.m uh that’s k praise 12 10 a.m down here at your local

[00:00:13] christian radio station and we’re also in on fm 106.1 in north county and um

[00:00:18] and then of course we’re all over social media and everywhere in that regard and we’ve had some fantastic interviews um

[00:00:24] recently uh really been blessed by uh just people that are serving god um in

[00:00:30] different aspects of uh life and uh all in different places all over the world uh doing

[00:00:36] amazing things it’s really really cool and uh tonight is uh we have a a guest

[00:00:42] very special guest uh dr mark armitage uh and

[00:00:47] just a little bit about event about him he started micro specialists which is a microscope company in 1984 in la he has

[00:00:54] a bachelor of science degree from liberty university he has an ms in electron microscopy and parasitology uh

[00:01:02] from in 1997 and he’s also worked in the lab of dr richard lumsden

[00:01:09] who has a phd from rice university he has a doctor of education from liberty university and his uh his notoriety

[00:01:16] her is uh comes from um i i actually had the opportunity to interview um

[00:01:23] him back in 2015 when he was dealing with a lawsuit that took place because

[00:01:28] he had found a triceratops horn i believe the largest triceratops horn found to date

[00:01:34] that actually had soft tissue uh mark thanks a lot for being on the program today thank you so

[00:01:40] much kevin it’s great to be hey can you catch catch our listeners up with what happened um with you in that

[00:01:47] triceratops horn just for those who don’t know about it it was a fine uh it was it was the lauren

[00:01:55] that site in hell creek it’s the largest ever discovered but i haven’t read a

[00:02:01] long and certainly none of them had the soft tissue and i was shocked because i am a soft tissue processing expert

[00:02:08] that’s what i did for cal state university fridge and many of the companies that i’ve worked for and uh so

[00:02:14] when i cracked this thing open with my hands without even processing it i found this sheet of stretchy bone it’s called

[00:02:22] fiber or bone because it hasn’t yet been cemented yet by the bone mineral it’s

[00:02:27] still the collagen carpet and it had cells in it so i thin sectioned that it made the cover of a

[00:02:33] journal the department of biology at cal state northridge was really pleased then

[00:02:39] i published a paper uh on it in a prestigious journal and two later

[00:02:45] i was fired so i did enter a wrongful termination lawsuit and it took two years but

[00:02:52] they did finally settle out of court they paid out over two million dollars when about their attorneys as well so

[00:02:59] this is a very expensive thing for them and it actually had the fortuitousness of drawing a lot of

[00:03:06] attention this discovery uh we’re the first ones to ever find stretchy tissue with cells inside of

[00:03:13] them and that made the cover of a journal and since then we published seven other papers so

[00:03:19] pardon me we’ve got two impressed brands so and five already published and we’re from all kinds of uh world first so we

[00:03:26] can do that that’s phenomenal yeah and and uh you know at the time there were so many

[00:03:32] different lawsuits that had been t uh you know there was a lot of christians dealing with different a variety of different

[00:03:39] lawsuits at the time um that i was keeping track of and and a lot of them were losses and so when we were in the

[00:03:45] middle of that when when i was talking to you you were not sure the outcome at that point in time

[00:03:50] no i was none and it was tenuous but uh because we did a thing called discovery

[00:03:56] uh we got access to just 30 000 pages about a week before

[00:04:02] while so i didn’t sleep that last because i was going through all these paid found smoking guns where they were

[00:04:10] actually disparaging religion and uh my first amendment right to free speech and

[00:04:16] so the judge ruled in a little summary ruling that if we go to trial that will

[00:04:22] be fact number one on the table that you violated his uh

[00:04:27] first and second amendment rights so not second right to free speech and religion so

[00:04:33] that act already so they knew they had to settle and uh it worked out amazingly i just

[00:04:39] watched as the lord out and it was amazing to be a part of

[00:04:44] it but yes my attorney alan reinac uh who’s with the church state council he said

[00:04:51] because he’s he’s a lawyer he knows all about these wrongful termination and employment

[00:04:56] lawsuits and he said this is the first one where any secular institution is actually paid out

[00:05:02] a result of what they did so it didn’t really set a precedent uh i think that’s why they settled out

[00:05:08] of court because once you have a judge rule officially in a court of law

[00:05:14] then it’s a precedent so they didn’t want to establish a precedent in my mind so they just got a court

[00:05:20] wow yeah and and i you know this is relevant to our entire discussion because um the

[00:05:25] reason that um a big part of it was because in the journal in the peer review journal that you published in you

[00:05:32] specifically stated that there’s no way this soft tissue could be as old as you know millions and millions of years old

[00:05:38] um actually that’s not true i i did not state that oh you didn’t oh okay no no i

[00:05:44] just i just presented the science uh the only conclusions that i drew was you

[00:05:50] need to study this more effectively and more white uh now they they’re the ones

[00:05:55] that added all those words in their interpretation and so but but it’s because the evidence is logical i mean

[00:06:02] it’s common sense that these kind of cells and other structures and vessels

[00:06:08] we’re even finding the the little uh valves that fall out of the veins that

[00:06:14] keep blood inside the vein but we’re finding a lot of clots and we’re finding herbs uh lots of nerves and so these

[00:06:22] tissues cannot last a time they break down readily it’s shocking to me that they’re even there

[00:06:29] and they’re they’re abundant every dig that we’ve been on some digs and so all

[00:06:35] these bones we thin section we find clots in them which means they drown we’ve been climbing different

[00:06:42] individuals across about a thousand square miles um so indicative of drowning but it

[00:06:50] it it makes such common sense average person they can’t conceive of soft tissues like

[00:06:56] this lasting that long and so deep time really gets erased from the whiteboard

[00:07:01] because these tissues have no preservation mechanism there’s nothing that we know

[00:07:07] of that can preserve these tissues yeah and so that’s what i wanted to ask

[00:07:12] you about that too but because i was reading an article recently um that they’re actually going back into

[00:07:21] some scientists are now because this is becoming so common um they’re going back into museums and

[00:07:26] really looking at the bones and finding soft tissue in the bones that are already in the museum

[00:07:33] there was a study published recently where they i think they collected 19 or 17 museum specimens and

[00:07:42] 517 had soft in them and they were in museum collection

[00:07:48] so no this is this is common i predicted that in 2012 when i first found the horn

[00:07:54] i predicted that this would be the norm and there’s something like 130 papers now

[00:08:02] and every week there’s a new one coming out wow so so um you know a lot of people are

[00:08:09] and this this came up exact you know the the real famous one was mary schweitzer and the t-rex bone

[00:08:15] um and there was all this pushback about uh no no this is either you know a mistake on

[00:08:22] her part or whatever the case and then um people started trying to figure out how can we how how can this last for

[00:08:29] millions of years and a big part of it had to do with iron in the in the system and this these sorts of

[00:08:34] things you know and uh it’s crazy to me because it’s almost like gosh guys i mean when

[00:08:40] are you going to decide that this is you know this you guys are wrong your

[00:08:45] paradigm is wrong we need to kind of shift our thinking here and are you seeing a shift in the thinking among scientists or is are we

[00:08:53] now just going to go down this this fantasy land uh where you know

[00:08:58] you make up your own science and you say you say soft tissue can last millions of years when it’s obvious they can’t

[00:09:04] right no i look the work that dr schweitzer he wasn’t the first one to

[00:09:09] publish on dinosaur soft tissue people don’t know in this in the 60s dr paul

[00:09:14] leaky roman pow leek england widely on dinosaur soft tissue so she

[00:09:21] just kind of resurrected and hit the big journals uh in in 95

[00:09:27] word but she did her work so carefully that uh

[00:09:32] the all the objects that were raised for example the biofil

[00:09:40] theory that these are only biofilms by bacteria leftovers

[00:09:45] poop of bacteria that was dispensed with uh contaminated

[00:09:51] char was leveled and it’s impossible for these things to be contamination because cells don’t

[00:09:57] crawl out of a bird that break bone on the surface and crawl through the dirt and find a dinosaur and crawl inside and

[00:10:04] you know hook up just so because they’re all connected right so no it’s it can’t be contamination so and then she did

[00:10:10] some molecular studies uh using very sophisticated microscopy techniques to

[00:10:16] find actual molecules and she found histones and which are dna wrapping

[00:10:21] proteins i mean they’re still there in the nucleus of these cells that she’s looking at so her work was so careful

[00:10:28] that they painted themselves in a corner and realized oh oh we don’t have a mechanism for this but

[00:10:35] we know it’s 68 70 75 158 million years old they won’t abandon

[00:10:41] that paradigm so they had to find a preservation mechanism and as you said they went

[00:10:48] after iron and they claim it’s the iron in the blood and they did only two experiments uh to quote-unquote prove

[00:10:55] this and they’re laughable i mean they’re like 10th grade science experiments the first experiment uh they

[00:11:02] first the first thing they did was they took chicken blood and emu blood and they put an anticoagulant into it why

[00:11:10] blood clots okay it’s what it does as soon as you cut open a vessel all kinds

[00:11:15] of signals are sent into the bloodstream saying i have a clot i mean i have an open you better clot you better start

[00:11:22] the clot reaction and so yeah flooding is so well known so they had to inhibit

[00:11:27] clotting then they had to high-speed centrifuge out all the clotting factors they had to use

[00:11:35] molecular filters to filter out the molecules that cause clotting i mean come on this is not

[00:11:41] representative of dinosaurs being buried in the mud of montana and being there

[00:11:47] for who knows how long certainly not more than years and the other thing is all the clots that we’re finding show

[00:11:54] that the blood stayed in the canals the clots are in the canal

[00:12:00] so if the blood is clotted how can it get out into the bloodstream or out of the end of the bone and preserve the

[00:12:06] cells by the way iron will chew up cells like pacman chews up little bits okay

[00:12:12] yeah look what iron in the presence of oxygen and water does to bumpers in detroit in the winter

[00:12:19] you think that’s going to preserve these delicate little cells which are 200 nanometers thin i mean i’ve shown in my

[00:12:24] journal pictures structures that are so thin they’re if you take a human hair

[00:12:29] let’s say and you divide that in 100 pieces right and you take one of those pieces and you divide that into a

[00:12:35] thousand pieces count 200 of those that’s how small some of these structures are and yet they’re still

[00:12:41] there perfectly preserved aren’t we able to chew those like butter so no the salt

[00:12:46] will preserve the nerves that we’re finding have fat they have lipids oozing out of them come on come on this stuff

[00:12:53] has to be young and there’s no preservation mexican the iron doesn’t work the iron is a in fact i told him

[00:12:59] hey if you can get this iron thing to work you got to patent it because all these people want to freeze their bodies

[00:13:05] for science right you can sell that stuff stuff oh for sure it’s a joke they they’re whistling

[00:13:12] past the graveyard and uh but you know my argument is not with them i’m not i don’t argue anymore i just

[00:13:18] testify yeah you’re new right just testified so that’s why we give everything away for free we want people

[00:13:25] to have these books to give away we’ll ship you books if you want to give them away that’s how committed we are to this

[00:13:32] so for those of you listening my guest today is dr mark armitage and um you know he he has all kinds of resources that you

[00:13:39] can check out um just go to his website it’s dinosaur soft tissue research

[00:13:44] institute that’s dstri.org you can check them out there dstri.org and you can also check them

[00:13:51] out on youtube just type in his name armitage is spelled a-r-m-i-t-a-g-e

[00:13:56] and he’s got all kinds of youtube videos and stuff up there that you would find useful and tell us what you’re doing with how

[00:14:02] you’re traveling around because i think there’s a lot of people out there that would be so blessed um because i mean

[00:14:08] really what you’re doing there nobody else is doing this there’s there’s nobody else doing what you’re doing and so um we need to we need to multiply you

[00:14:16] and your efforts man tell us what you’re doing we’re trying to make it easy for folks

[00:14:21] to do that look we looked at we i looked hard and long at the sermon on the mount

[00:14:26] and i realized that our mandate is is not to be arguers

[00:14:32] it’s not to win debates with people uh and it’s certainly not to be a business uh you

[00:14:39] know that that’s organized to make money and be a money changer you know what he did with the money changers so when we

[00:14:47] realized that dinosaur soft tissue is for every human look if if the flood was real and this carpet

[00:14:54] of soft tissue follows the cretaceous all around the planet so we’re we’re literally wrapped in a layer of soft

[00:15:01] tissue that shows god’s judgment in the flood that means a second judgment is

[00:15:07] coming but more importantly it means that every male that you kevin and i

[00:15:13] look at is a brother in adam every woman that we look at is a sister

[00:15:20] in eve we come from one couple we’re one race look at how this can solve

[00:15:26] race relation problems we have so many problems today with this we’re going into minneapolis where you know george

[00:15:33] floyd was murdered and all the riots and everything people are on polarized they’re polarized away from each other

[00:15:40] dinosaur soft tissue should be bringing us together to realize that we’re one race we’re all

[00:15:46] sons and daughters of adam and eve we belong to each other we’re here to take care of each other and to be humble

[00:15:52] until the lord comes again because he’s coming back i love that approach i mean i i feel the

[00:15:58] same way you know um with my students you know i have 12th grade students who are all

[00:16:03] you know trying to figure everything out and i just start off by telling them look here i’m not i’m not here to tell you what to think i’m just here to

[00:16:10] present the information um you know it’s it’s not rocket science it’s really actually pretty clear when you just put

[00:16:17] it out there you know and like kind of like what you’re saying here is all i’ve got to do is put this in front of people

[00:16:22] and people are going to go wait a second okay this can’t be 65 million years old so maybe i need to rethink my history

[00:16:29] and that’s what the bible is the bible’s a history book and you know it shares the history of the world and god’s

[00:16:34] creation and his relationship with people and so so um that’s awesome now you you were

[00:16:39] telling me um that you i think you said you have seven um

[00:16:46] uh articles now published or in process um tell us about the different articles

[00:16:51] that you’re publishing beyond beyond the triceratops one what what what else are you finding and what are you publishing

[00:16:56] about wonderful question uh we have two in press right now i’ll tell you about those in a second because they’re very

[00:17:02] exciting but uh we started out by publishing of course in the acta histochemica with article which was 2012

[00:17:10] that was the first one then i got fired from the university and so and i had to go through a couple of surgeries i had a

[00:17:16] brain stem surgery and then i had open heart surgery but i i was doing research all the time uh working with these bones

[00:17:23] and then we started publishing again so uh we published uh five papers so far

[00:17:29] the most important ones are the clot papers uh the first clot paper that we published

[00:17:34] showed clots in in three different individuals i believe it was but nine specimens and so from

[00:17:42] different digs so we’re finding clots uh over and over and over again in

[00:17:48] different digs and with different individuals uh are these different are these different kinds of dinosaurs

[00:17:55] yes absolutely uh triceratops is one uh camera asaurus is another one that was

[00:18:01] about 158 million years ago according to conventional dating uh and then nano taranis which is

[00:18:09] about 70 to 90 million years old that’s a very controversial dinosaur a

[00:18:15] lot of people think that one is a juvenile t-rex but a lot of other people say no it’s its own

[00:18:22] uh category it’s its own genus and so that’s a hot topic right now so

[00:18:28] it’s good to to find that dinosaur with clots in it we’ve also found clots deep

[00:18:33] into the permian we we published a paper on diabetes so we went to oklahoma and we dug into

[00:18:40] permian that’s supposed to be 290 million years old and we’ve got clots in

[00:18:45] there that’s already published so we have clots in several different individuals

[00:18:50] and we’re finding nerves we found nerves in triceratops condyle which is the bone

[00:18:55] at the base of the skull that guy and i’m still getting nerves and cells out of that

[00:19:01] and recently we just processed a bunch of limb bones from the permeant 290

[00:19:08] million years old and they’ve got some of the most beautiful nerves i’ve ever seen and by the way the journal gave us

[00:19:14] the journal cover when we found the nerves so this is recognized by science

[00:19:19] it’s really humbling it’s really exciting but we’re making a lot of world first discoveries and i’m pinching myself because it’s

[00:19:26] like wow why me you know that’s so great and you know um that that i was going to ask you another

[00:19:32] question about that when you you know you held up that magazine and showed hey we got the cover here um was that that

[00:19:38] was my question was is secular science um taking note of these findings in what

[00:19:43] you’re doing um and how are they how are they responding to uh to this is their animosity is there

[00:19:50] you know are you getting letters you get emails do you get people going hey i want to learn more about this or i want

[00:19:57] to dig further or you know what kind of what kind of responses are you getting from all this stuff um wonderfully i’m

[00:20:03] getting both i do get of course the folks who laugh at me and and i just ask

[00:20:08] him why are you here you know if you’re not here to learn uh but i don’t i don’t pay attention to that that’s it’s this

[00:20:15] is really not about me it’s about the work but uh thankfully some workers are

[00:20:20] collaborating with us now um we’ve been invited into a university uh to go speak

[00:20:27] to their graduate students and their professors so other researchers are citing our work in

[00:20:34] their publications and so look we realized that the work had to be

[00:20:40] done um sadly uh folks with resources in this

[00:20:46] movement aren’t doing the work and so uh we just laid it at the lord’s feet and he’s blessed every effort but i

[00:20:53] think because we’re publishing uh we can occupy the high ground and therefore we

[00:20:59] don’t have to argue because we’re simply presenting our science and people are welcome to come uh to the lab we’re

[00:21:06] going to establish a lending library for other scientists and they can check out materials and and we’re happy to train

[00:21:14] people we believe that this is on the earth because god bragged about dinosaur

[00:21:19] bones in job he had them he had a plan for them from the beginning for such a time

[00:21:26] as this when our world seems to be on fire i mean you look at the battle of good and evil playing out before our

[00:21:32] very eyes and so i think god raised up this opportunity for us to share this

[00:21:38] with everybody that’s why this can’t be sold shouldn’t be sold it should be given away we’re producing the books you

[00:21:44] can order the books you can give them away and use this as a tool to reach those folks not the hard-hearted folks

[00:21:52] not the ones who just want to argue they can read it for themselves they can look at it for themselves it’s the folks

[00:21:59] with an open heart and an open mind who were seeking truth and her being lied to

[00:22:05] uh frankly people are being lied to so that’s why we go out and you mention the

[00:22:10] labs we take 20 microscopes we have a whole college level laboratory and we

[00:22:16] have 20 students and they go through this three-hour laboratory it’s amazing to watch their transformation they are

[00:22:23] changed people uh when they come out of the lab and so i figure if you can’t

[00:22:28] change a phd uh you can train a 13 year old and he’ll go change the phd that’s right

[00:22:35] he’ll become the phd right yeah so so um you know let’s say somebody’s

[00:22:41] listening they they’re interested in this and you you said you travel around the country um you take this basically

[00:22:47] whole lab and they actually get to do they actually get to look at soft tissue under the microscope yes not only

[00:22:54] do they look at soft tissue they get to handle the specimens themselves they

[00:22:59] handle all the bones they see the clots in the bones we use dissecting microscopy to do a lot of the bone work

[00:23:05] and then i dissolve a bone and i actually bring them here’s a container

[00:23:10] right here so this this is what i call bone juice there’s these little bags in here that’s bone juice and we will pet

[00:23:17] that out onto slides and they will go to their microscopes and it’s so fun to

[00:23:22] watch them find the nerves they jump up and down when they find a nerve they get their phones out and start photographing

[00:23:28] them and we give them pictures they can put on their thumb drives they get free books so they can go home and write a

[00:23:35] report books to share with their friends and teachers uh we’re trying to put all the

[00:23:40] tools that we can into folks who might be a little intimidated by this work

[00:23:46] look summit the cool thing about biology is there’s job security because the jargon is so

[00:23:52] difficult right so i try to uh to make it simpler and more understandable uh in

[00:23:59] a fun way so that students and parents can share these things with their families

[00:24:05] so if somebody wants to set something up this uh something like this up uh what’s what’s the first step how do they get

[00:24:10] ahold of you they can go to district.org dsti.org and there’s a contact uh tab

[00:24:18] there they could contact us through district and uh we’ll get back in touch with them uh we’d like to work with the

[00:24:23] home school course so if you’re a homeschool coordinator and you’re looking for stem content a real

[00:24:30] hands-on science uh your students we would love to come there’s no fee

[00:24:36] for us to come we encourage the students to do a little yard work wash a few cars because they

[00:24:43] have a little registration fee that they paid for but see that’s their ownership now so they’re come in owning it and we

[00:24:51] want them to do that but we don’t charge the school uh for example in minneapolis we’re doing a church service we’re

[00:24:58] preaching that we’re doing a parent meeting and then a large meeting that night we’re speaking at the twin cities

[00:25:04] creation conference later in the week we have a pastor’s a free pastor’s luncheon

[00:25:09] for pastors to come they can look through the microscope so no we we invested a lot in this because

[00:25:17] this is the moment this is the time our our students are devastated look at the

[00:25:23] test scores that they just list our students need encouragement they need faith they need to know that

[00:25:30] this is going to end these difficulties will end but you’ll be on one side or

[00:25:35] the other there’s you know everybody’s afraid of binary today uh and they wanna they’re

[00:25:42] all confused about many things god is very binary in many ways and that’s a

[00:25:47] blessing because there’s no confusion and you have the opportunity to make a

[00:25:52] yes or no choice we want people to be informed and to make the right choice because god wants a relationship with

[00:25:59] you he made you because he loves you and he wants to walk with you in the cool of

[00:26:04] the day so it’s going to happen ii peter 3 says the next judgment is coming by

[00:26:09] fire do you know that there’s 60 billion tons of frozen methane under the arctic

[00:26:15] no i had no idea the surface yeah and you can light it on fire today

[00:26:21] whoa so so tell us about that where does that come from scientists have found frozen methane

[00:26:27] that’s probably related to the flood it’s all that methane that was produced but it was buried so deeply that it

[00:26:33] froze so it’s unreactive but it is bubbling to the surface

[00:26:38] i forget the technical term that they use for if you contact me through district i’ll send that to you but there

[00:26:44] are pictures of people lighting it on fire in the ice in nr

[00:26:50] so you have a flame coming up out of the water where the methane is bubbling up from the ocean floor so global warming

[00:26:57] climate change all these things i think god is turning up the heat on the planet because the second peter 3 says

[00:27:03] everything’s going to melt in the heat even the atomos the atoms so there’s

[00:27:08] another judgment coming we want everybody ready amen amen yeah and if you’re new to this

[00:27:14] kind of information i mean this is really important information because really it determines your world view i

[00:27:19] mean if you believe in uniformitarianism and an old earth and billions of years and these sorts of things you’re going

[00:27:26] to have a completely different perspective than if you believe what the bible says and that all of creation started right around 6 000 years ago

[00:27:31] then there was a worldwide flood 4 400 years ago and then the whole question becomes what happened

[00:27:36] to the dinosaurs and how do they fit into the different perspectives and what dr armitage is showing here is that um

[00:27:43] is that we have evidence hard evidence this isn’t hypotheticals this is hard

[00:27:48] evidence that these dinosaurs went extinct recently not millions of years ago like that paradigm has said and they

[00:27:54] dropped they drowned by asphyxiation in water claws yeah and so uh so this is worth your

[00:28:02] time to explore so um uh mark so the regarding the books you were saying

[00:28:08] that you’re willing to give people books um tell us about these books what what is the content of these are these like

[00:28:13] high level like college graduate level books or are they something that you know a junior high high school and the

[00:28:20] average parent can understand yes we we use illustrations uh and and

[00:28:26] photographs we all of our high quality micrographs pictures we take through the microscopes are in there but a lot of

[00:28:32] explanation uh we have a a character called old stretchy the dinosaur bone

[00:28:37] cell and he’s kind of uh our adventure uh through the two books the first one is about triceratops and

[00:28:44] the horn it talks about the dig it shows the cells we found the stretchy soft tissue uh things like that uh and

[00:28:51] there’s a there’s a creation message and there’s also a message of of hope of talking to god personally a lot of

[00:28:58] people say i don’t have a relationship with god i don’t go to church i don’t read the bible well you don’t have to do

[00:29:05] those things just open a dialogue with the lord just say you know lord i know you’re there and i

[00:29:12] want to talk to you and i i’m feeling this or this is hurting and i need your help and you know just start a dialogue

[00:29:19] and and that’s what i do i just all during the day when i have to talk to him about something i just go anyway

[00:29:26] lord because it’s a continuing conversation so start that conversation

[00:29:32] and he’ll he’ll put you in front of the right people he made you i remember a professor telling me at the university

[00:29:37] of florida 17 of the molecules that you breathe in this classroom during this

[00:29:43] class were breathed out by jesus christ well he’s a lot closer than 17 molecules

[00:29:48] yes right at your right hand he wants to have a friendship with you you know what

[00:29:53] he’s the nicest guy in the whole universe he’s got a fix for what’s going on but we got to get on his side we got

[00:30:00] to make the choice so that’s why we’re doing this that’s the only reason that’s wonderful that’s wonderful it’s

[00:30:06] amazing how god can work on in so many different avenues through so many different people to share his love with

[00:30:11] people um i’m always astounded by uh god’s generosity um well

[00:30:18] so i had another question too kind of on back to another thought here you know with all these secular scientists um

[00:30:24] that are finding stuff because it’s not just uh it’s not just you it’s it’s many different scientists that are finding

[00:30:30] this stuff and um are do do you ever reach out to them and uh is there any

[00:30:36] effort to collaborate or do they kind of draw a line in the sand and say no no we know your perspective

[00:30:43] and we’re gonna keep trying to figure it out over here with the millions of years thing and we’ll let you do your thing over here or is that

[00:30:49] there any uh bridges there there’s both um you know certainly people do draw lines and and i don’t

[00:30:56] disparage people for that everybody has the right to make their own choice and decision i just want them to be aware of

[00:31:02] what it is that we’re presenting so that they understand um but we are building

[00:31:08] uh collaborative uh relationships with some folks it’s very exciting they’re a

[00:31:14] little skeptical i remember one forensic scientist i’ve been discussing with he’s written

[00:31:20] some articles uh uh you know from the other side uh arguing for old earth and

[00:31:26] but what i pointed out to him is hey you missed all these papers that we’ve been publishing and uh they’re available all

[00:31:34] the researchers know how to search for these things it has a doi number on it

[00:31:39] so each of our articles can be searched and so

[00:31:44] and we opened a dialogue together and now he’s conversing with me um i told him about the nerves with the lipids in

[00:31:51] them and he was uh i said you want to see photographs he said no wait till the paper is published so that’s refreshing

[00:31:58] it’s refreshing someone who’s willing to consider these things look the other thing is if i’m wrong i want to be

[00:32:05] proven wrong i don’t want to do bad science

[00:32:10] but the more i look at these nerves they all have the same characteristic cross hatch pattern all down them and and

[00:32:16] that’s diagnostic for nerves so the cells they all have these little thread feet that come out from them

[00:32:22] that’s diagnostic for the cells so we know it’s not contamination or biofilm it’s the real deal so uh it’s a pleasure

[00:32:30] trove of information that science needs to look at and then um yeah that you know i asked

[00:32:37] you about secular scientists but you know there are a lot of christians who are uh either on the fence or they’re

[00:32:44] you know they they they believe that uh you know adam and eve uh and they believe in progressive day

[00:32:49] creation or something like that and um you know uh it’d be i’d be curious for

[00:32:55] somebody like you know uh dr steven meyer or somebody else from the discovery institute uh to hear what they

[00:33:02] think of something of these findings because uh it seems so difficult to get around the

[00:33:08] facts of this that it’s it’s just uh you know crazy uh that it may be impossible

[00:33:14] for some people to get around and maybe that’s why they’re ignoring it but that’s their relationship with jesus that they gotta

[00:33:20] work out you know this stuff is real it’s here i tell people about 90 of all

[00:33:25] the bones and we’re digging at all the famous digs and we’re going to the same digs everybody else is going to and

[00:33:33] either they’re overlooking what we’re finding or they’re ignoring what we’re finding

[00:33:38] or i don’t know maybe they’re afraid of what we’re finding uh but that’s not what this is about it’s about

[00:33:45] progressing in science and understanding what truth is uh you know the word science has as

[00:33:50] its root the word true truth so we just want uh people to to know that this is

[00:33:56] there and also we’re trying to explore it as much as possible we’re starting to make predictions now

[00:34:03] based on our science which is what real science is supposed to do so we’re predicting that clots in undisturbed

[00:34:10] bones are going to be predominant i would say 100 of undisturbed bones uh and unfractured

[00:34:17] buns because a lot of the bones that we dig are fractured they look like they went through a cement mixer really uh

[00:34:23] they’re they’re cracked and broken apart they’re not articulated or put together so i would say 100 of

[00:34:30] underserved bones have clots in them maybe 90 percent of disturbed bones do um and and i’m finding nerves in just

[00:34:38] about everything so i’m saying that we’re going to find more and more of this particularly i’m going

[00:34:44] to predict that we’re going to find the best nerves in jaw bones because you look in the literature and you see

[00:34:51] all the canals that travel through the jaws where all these nerves were so i’m predicting right now

[00:34:58] and i just predicted this on the radio in minneapolis an hour ago that we’re going to find the best nerves that we’ve

[00:35:04] ever found in jaws so when we went to montana in may we found a complete

[00:35:10] triceratops skull we couldn’t stay to remove it the the

[00:35:15] dig team says that there’s probably a whole skeleton there might be a complete triceratops but i want that jaw because

[00:35:22] i think that jaw is loaded with nerves yeah another prediction we can make is that um

[00:35:28] we believe that if we dig in the permafrost uh up in alaska i think it’s called the lisk

[00:35:35] bone bed uh we’ll find in intact neural tissue maybe complete spinal columns if

[00:35:41] they’re not torn apart with nerve tissue in them so um no i

[00:35:46] think the sky’s the limit for this line of work and uh you know you can put your head in the

[00:35:52] sand or you can come join us and help i love it um you know um you said the

[00:35:57] sky’s the limit um i i was just reading because i i was doing a little bit of research and it looks like this was just

[00:36:04] just came out in the news um somebody up in calgary a hobbyist

[00:36:10] paleontologist found a fossil with skin all the skin on the

[00:36:16] dinosaur a hadrosaur and uh i mean that is just crazy um i mean

[00:36:23] and uh you know somebody’s out there is going to ask so uh mark uh when are they going

[00:36:28] to start cloning dinosaurs you know is that going to happen well that’s that’s a great question with

[00:36:35] a new jurassic park yeah they the already get bigger and bigger

[00:36:40] which i always marvel at because they would be eating like five or ten tons of food a day and i don’t see big piles of

[00:36:46] food in those movies so yeah well how do they feed them but no look that has to do with dna

[00:36:52] nuclear material and and uh it has a short half-life dna we call it labile

[00:36:59] it’s very fragile it’s a sugar molecule basically so anything that likes sugar

[00:37:04] in the ground is going to go after it and they do so it’s highly fragmented

[00:37:09] they might find they might find a gene or two uh like i say

[00:37:15] this stuff is very labeled but if it’s in the permafrost they might be able to find it

[00:37:21] and and then they have to uh sequence it they have to you know determine the whole sequence so for all the base pairs

[00:37:28] to be there the half-life is only 500 and some years i think 570 years or something so it goes away pretty quickly

[00:37:36] in 10 000 years so even if the flood was 10 000 years ago or even 6 000 years ago or 4 000 years

[00:37:43] ago i don’t know that’s a very fragile molecule so the idea of taking that and cloning it i

[00:37:49] don’t think it’s going to be possible we’re going to have to wait until eden 2.0 when god

[00:37:55] makes it all over again and then you’ll get to walk with the dinosaurs so do you think do you think it’s a possibility

[00:38:00] another question that you know people are always asking is do you think it’s a possibility that there are still some dinosaurs that are alive on earth that

[00:38:07] we haven’t seen do you think i know there was a big thing in the congo there’s always talk of people going down there and trying to find uh something

[00:38:13] down there um do you have any thoughts on that you know there’s a lot of current uh

[00:38:19] uh testimonies by native peoples who live in those areas who have seen and heard things that they

[00:38:25] can’t explain so uh other researchers have have followed up on that okay you know

[00:38:32] is the one that they talk about from africa but robin the the flying pterodactyl-like creature uh has been

[00:38:40] cited many times so uh there’s a team in papua new guinea right now i guess trying to capture one

[00:38:46] so that’d be really cool if they did that but no i mean we haven’t examined every square centimeter of the earth

[00:38:53] there are there are deep deep valleys i mean just recently in australia maybe a decade ago they found forests and things

[00:39:01] that were called fossil trees and they were very happily growing so yeah we

[00:39:06] there’s a lot of earth to explore yet there’s depth in the ocean that we know nothing about and there certainly has

[00:39:13] been a lot of very cryptic sightings in the waters so i don’t know uh i guess

[00:39:19] it’d be hard for me to say they’re all completely gone because we don’t really really know but it’s a great question

[00:39:27] what what do you what is your next uh hope like if you had you know if what what are you praying for what is the

[00:39:33] next thing that you obviously we want um we want this really to impact the world for christ we want people to turn

[00:39:39] their hearts over to the lord jesus um what in your mind you know as a

[00:39:44] microscopy expert what is the next thing down the road for you that you’re you’re praying for and you’re hoping happens

[00:39:51] well we really believe in this idea of going out in the televisions jesus

[00:39:57] talked about that sermon on them and then he went and you watch as you read through the

[00:40:04] gospels you watch how he went through towns and impacted people changed people’s lives uh and so i think that’s

[00:40:11] that that he wants to uh you know we at first we thought well we need to be bigger build a big lab you

[00:40:19] know and a big a big attraction you know and uh we repented of that because uh

[00:40:25] jesus office next to the temple and he didn’t build a street

[00:40:30] so he went out of the towns and villages and i think that’s the path that he wants so we

[00:40:38] we hope to replicate our laboratory and maybe centers of excellence around the country that we can train people because

[00:40:47] the methodology deducting one of these laboratories is teachable i can train people to do this so if you’re

[00:40:54] interested as an educator you have a background in science uh you could partner with us we we the lord for all

[00:41:01] the funding and so far he’s really taken us so we would buy a lab and put it up in a

[00:41:08] place like state college pennsylvania and train people we would fly in as necessary uh to help and support and do

[00:41:15] teaching if we need to but our goal is to set these up around the country so that other homeschool communities and

[00:41:21] even public school communities can take advantage of this schools we want all of

[00:41:27] our students to understand the hard part is that all the parents want to take the

[00:41:32] lab you know why can’t we be in the lab yeah it’s really hard for me because i do

[00:41:38] want them to take it too but you know this is about the children right now it’s about the students we got to take

[00:41:44] care of them we got to get them fired up uh not questioning the word of god

[00:41:49] we can’t have our students questioning the word of god it is accurate it is believable it is it’s worth putting your

[00:41:56] life investment into and i would say if you haven’t started reading this amount

[00:42:02] matthew 5 and 7 read it every day read it every day it’s changed but it’s

[00:42:08] such a great it’s all you need to know to follow the lord so

[00:42:13] people can partner with us we’re also uh you know we’re a 503 so we’re dependent on

[00:42:20] helping us but we’re all volunteers nobody make any doing there we’re spending our social

[00:42:26] actually to do this but you know it’s important nobody else is doing it and somebody’s

[00:42:33] got to do it so it’s us yeah that is fantastic um so for those

[00:42:38] of you just tuning in my guest is dr mark armitage and he is um his website is dstri.org

[00:42:46] please check that out and uh like he’s saying if you want to get involved and make a difference there’s all all kinds of ways you can make a difference by

[00:42:52] inviting them to town or supporting them financially or maybe becoming a volunteer

[00:43:00] we like to have people on digs we need drivers to drive our rig across the

[00:43:05] country uh and volunteers we train volunteers at the site so if you want to be an adult

[00:43:12] volunteer in the lab to help work with the students because these are sophisticated instruments and we train

[00:43:18] you first and so then they help to work with the students so we have a lot of needs absolutely i love it i love it

[00:43:25] well we’re just about out of time here thank you so much uh dr amitaj for coming on the show i

[00:43:30] really appreciate it and uh i think you know i’m gonna be looking for opportunities to make something like

[00:43:36] this happen here in southern california there’s a lot of uh we’ve got a homeschool mini homeschool convention coming up here a one-day conference and

[00:43:43] some other people that we’ve got a pretty big homeschool community so i’m going to spread the word um have you ever oh i meant to ask you have you ever

[00:43:50] talked to um there’s a guy i’ve interviewed over at um liberty university the creation uh

[00:43:56] engineering department have you ever talked to uh i’m blanking on his name horstedmeyer dr

[00:44:02] horsham mark horstenberger yes yes yes i know sadly we haven’t had a lot of uh

[00:44:07] encouragement from uh a lot of the christian creationist organizations so

[00:44:13] why that is uh but that’s okay you know uh but if people if homeschoolers or

[00:44:19] educators want to partner with us that’s really what we’re focusing on right now taking this lab out we are writing books

[00:44:25] we got a new book in the works uh but that’s what we’re focusing on right now

[00:44:30] and so uh but it’d be it’d be great it’d be great to connect with because i’m a

[00:44:36] graduate of liberty university so it’d be great to connect with folks there and

[00:44:42] and whoever wants us to come we’d be happy to come and we don’t charge that’s wonderful okay well i’m going to spread

[00:44:48] the word and i’m sure that there are people listening that are gonna spread the word also so again thank you so much for everything you’re doing it’s

[00:44:54] incredible thank you kevin we really appreciate the opportunity and everybody can you know

[00:44:59] you can you can email me if you contact me at district i’ll give you my cell number you can even text me that’s how

[00:45:05] open we are talking to people so yeah i love it i love it okay well we’ll talk again soon i’m sure and uh god bless you

[00:45:12] thank you so much

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