Dinosaurs, Dragons & Noah’s Flood with Dr. Dan Biddle

[00:00:00] thanks for being here tonight my name is Kevin coniber and you’re listening to educate for Life radio we broadcast down

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[00:00:20] uh and uh my guest this evening is Dr Dan Biddle he’s the president of Genesis

[00:00:26] apologetics he’s authored nine books and several articles on these topics he’s produced two films so far far on Genesis

[00:00:32] and a third film is coming out on Noah’s flood and uh his his website is an

[00:00:38] incredible resource if you’re interested in this sort of uh topic if it’s the kind of stuff that interests you and and

[00:00:43] you want to share with others it’s a great resource genesisapologetics.com he’s got over 100 videos that answers

[00:00:50] tons of different questions that people have about Genesis and there are a lot of people asking questions about this

[00:00:56] subject matter so it’s a great opportunity he also has training as a behavioral scientist he has a PHD in

[00:01:02] industrial organizational psychology 20 years experience in expert witness Consulting state and federal cases

[00:01:09] involving scientific research methods statistics and psychometrics and don’t

[00:01:15] hold this against him he also lives in California I know that a lot of people have uh

[00:01:21] think that everybody in California is uh you know gone off the edge but this is not true there’s still some people here

[00:01:27] in California that think clearly so Dan thanks a lot for being here on the program today thanks for having me today this will be

[00:01:34] fun absolutely and you’ve actually before we get too far into this on March

[00:01:40] 4th you have a conference at Jessup University along with icr can you tell

[00:01:45] us a little bit about that yes we’re partnering with icr and David Reeves so we’re gonna have the president of icr

[00:01:51] come out a friend of mine Dr Randy galuza he’s a great debater uh excellent

[00:01:57] on on creation uh related topics and an expert on the ideas surrounding natural

[00:02:03] selection um versus the whole idea of continuous environmental tracking so there’s

[00:02:08] there’s debates raging these days regarding whether the changes or adaptations that happen

[00:02:15] to animals are intrinsic to the animal itself in other words can the animal read its own environment and make

[00:02:20] changes that it passes on in its own Lifetime and in future Generations or are all the changes environmental are

[00:02:27] they external to the animal he’s a real good expert on that studied up on these stirring the pot in the creation

[00:02:32] community in a lot of ways and then of course David Reeves has done a lot on TV and otherwise he’ll be there and we’re

[00:02:39] going to be there for for six hours on a Saturday at William Jessup University uh the president of the University is also

[00:02:45] going to speak and we’re just going to it’s going to be a creation Throwdown we’re going to have all kinds of uh data

[00:02:52] and presentations we’re going to have a kids program this year so if you’ve got a first a fifth grader there’s a kids program track I think we can take up to

[00:02:59] 80 kids that day and Dave Bisby our VP is filling that kids program up fast and

[00:03:05] but I’m excited to be here and we’re excited for the for the conference that’s fantastic well um you know

[00:03:12] obviously there’s there’s been a lot of controversy over the dinosaur issue

[00:03:17] um you know I’m we’re actually talking about this in my class right now with my 12th grade students and um you know one

[00:03:23] of the big issues that’s come up is that there’s been soft tissue found you know I think the real huge one that popped up

[00:03:30] was the one with Mary Schweitzer in 2005 when they found soft tissue in the T-Rex

[00:03:36] bone and she was kind of lambasted for that everybody said no you you’ve you’ve

[00:03:42] uh you’ve contaminated uh the data you’ve contaminated your specimens and these

[00:03:48] sorts of things and um a lot of people were actually pretty angry at her and she’s an evolutionist and she said look

[00:03:54] at I’m just I’m just giving the facts here I’m giving what I what I found and

[00:04:00] um so that became very controversial there was a lot of people I actually had quite a few discussions with people just

[00:04:07] um you know on the Fly uh about this and um and the the the claim there as you

[00:04:12] know is that if you have fine soft tissue in a dinosaur bone then the dinosaur can’t possibly be millions of

[00:04:18] years old because soft tissue can’t last that long um have you had uh has this been

[00:04:23] something that’s come up in your discussions and in your teaching a lot or um you know absolutely let me take it

[00:04:30] one step further I would say the the Battle Is Over uh we won uh it’s

[00:04:36] probably five or ten years old and cold in the past now uh it’s a quite obvious

[00:04:42] fact in winter evidence for creationists that the dinosaur soft tissue exists the

[00:04:47] case is closed they have no more rescuing devices no more remedies it’s out there it’s been scientifically

[00:04:53] established and if you were to rewind the clock just 50 years ago and line up a thousand painted paleontologists and

[00:05:00] ask them is there even a remote chance that some of these bones could still have bioorganic material all thousands

[00:05:08] of 1 000 paleontologists would have said Ironclad no there’s not a chance there’s

[00:05:14] no way it could happen and that’s why Mary Schweitzer when she discovered it in 2005 and following or published it at

[00:05:21] that time she was met with such great resistance that her the peer reviewers of her articles would push back and Mary

[00:05:28] would give them data after data after evidence after evidence and finally one of the reviewers she asked one of the

[00:05:33] viewers what type of evidence could I give you that would convince you that I’m really finding soft bio-organic

[00:05:40] materials on these phones and the reviewers said back nothing thing and that’s because they couldn’t be

[00:05:45] convinced or unconvincible but since the 1950s there have been 58 peer-reviewed

[00:05:52] science journals that have established not one not two not ten not 12 but 16

[00:05:58] different types of bio-organic materials that are found in dinosaur bones and the

[00:06:03] latest two are cartilage and nerve cells so we are well well past a victory in

[00:06:10] this area now we just have to get the word out because there’s no way that in in the scientific world that dinosaur

[00:06:16] bones are are millions of years old it’s just impossible they’re only about 4 400

[00:06:22] years old from the flood wow that’s amazing um you know and so this is also

[00:06:28] interesting um you know you were you wrote that uh or my understanding is that in 2011 is

[00:06:35] what when you finally made a decision about your view on you know how old the Earth is and whether the biblical uh

[00:06:43] record is historical whether it’s metaphorical um tell us a little bit about that what

[00:06:48] what caused you to decide um this is actual uh history yeah I

[00:06:53] guess it was about uh 12 years ago now so I was uh saved when I was 11 I fell

[00:06:59] away from Christ until I was about 17 came back and I’ve been locked up with the Lord ever since went through

[00:07:06] graduate school and got my PhD and was World saturated as World saturated as you can be but I was still uh Holy Ghost

[00:07:14] filled Christian believed in the authority of scripture but like many Christians up until that time about 11

[00:07:19] years ago I was Undeclared on Origins I’m like well Earth can be old Earth can be young it really doesn’t matter what’s

[00:07:27] the big deal that was my my stance and when my kids at that point were asking they were going through public school they were like Hey Dad tell me about

[00:07:33] Smilodon what about sabertooth cat what about the mastodons what about the Ice Age I would say well honey if the Earth

[00:07:39] is old here’s your answer and if the Earth is Young well here’s your answer and they saw a dad just speaking out of

[00:07:45] both sides of his mouth then I went to a presentation uh it must have been 11 or 12 years ago now about a man walk with

[00:07:52] dinosaurs and I thought the guy was crazy I just couldn’t believe they let him into my church I’m like what are you

[00:07:58] doing we all know that dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago how could they let this heretic speak in the

[00:08:04] church today and as you know I’m an Evidence guy I spent on you know a lot of time maybe thousands

[00:08:10] of hours in in courtrooms and doing testimony and working on court cases and so I know how to weigh in sift evidence

[00:08:16] it’s a skill I’ve developed over over my life and about halfway into this guy’s talk I’m like oh my gosh this guy has a

[00:08:24] case he has a strong case and he has a theological case and he has a scientific

[00:08:29] case and it so rocked my world that I took the next 90 days and I pulled a

[00:08:36] Hiatus and I flew to Canada I flew to Montana I did first-hand dinosaur

[00:08:42] research I spent thousands of dollars and bought every book and DVD I could get my hand on from secular scientists

[00:08:50] as well as the creation Community about dinosaurs because I had to figure it out and while it was about a 90-day journey

[00:08:56] of mine about halfway through that process I pushed my computer screen aside and

[00:09:01] I’m like oh my gosh it’s all true this

[00:09:06] whole dinosaur walk with man thing is true and I’ve been duped and I went

[00:09:12] through a period of repentance and humility because I used to view young you know young earthers as those as

[00:09:17] those sweet little homeschool kids over there that just don’t know any better you know the fundamentalists you know

[00:09:23] and I thought oh I’m an educated Christian you know and but boy did the tables get turned on me when you find

[00:09:29] yourself standing in for him 14 miles worth of dead dinosaurs in Canada as far

[00:09:35] as your eye can see dead dinosaurs that are buried with mammals and fish and

[00:09:41] birds and clams and oysters and they’re in these hoodoos they’re buried underneath 50 feet of mud plus and you

[00:09:48] think there’s no other way but a worldwide flood how much higher did the water have to be to cover these things

[00:09:53] with silt and mud and then you look at the volcanism and the Ash and it just became crystal clear to me team that I

[00:10:00] repented turned around and it was like for me being born again again when my head joined my heart in my faith that 18

[00:10:07] inch separation here and and I humbled myself under God’s word and rewrote my

[00:10:12] Paradigm rewrote my history and rewrote what I thought about God’s word that’s fantastic I love that

[00:10:20] um and it’s true right I just feel like all the puzzle pieces just fall into place once you can see this and uh it’s

[00:10:26] just uh really encouraging um to see that happen and I I see all the time people’s Faith just lights up when that

[00:10:32] happens well um you’ve got a bunch of slides here that you can share with our viewers and I think that’s really awesome

[00:10:38] um I want to give an opportunity to go through these and for those of you listening um we’ll do our best to make this

[00:10:44] available to you if you if you you’re listening and you you don’t get to see all this cool stuff then um you can

[00:10:50] always check us out on YouTube too and check it out there so um uh Dan uh pick us up here with the

[00:10:56] the slides you’ve got here okay that that sounds good and how long do you are you going to give me today I know I can go for a long time we’ve got a ton of

[00:11:03] slides some I can skip but how long how much time are you gonna give me I typically we go for about 45 minutes but

[00:11:10] uh okay okay nobody should be able to do that okay when the time starts getting uh getting towards uh 6 p.m my time I’ll

[00:11:17] start slowing down how does that happen okay that sounds good okay great we’ll go ahead and click off here before we

[00:11:22] get started just a little a quick talk about root and fruit I believe as a

[00:11:28] Christian giving the testimony that I just gave that that your roots as a Christian really do need to go back to

[00:11:35] what the Jewish people call barashit the Book of Genesis all the way back and the

[00:11:40] more you resist a literal understanding of that book it’s my opinion that the

[00:11:46] more shriveled and faithless your life is going to be because if you don’t have a true understanding that God’s word is

[00:11:54] true and authoritative when it come when it speaks about things of world view and history and the pyramids and the whole

[00:12:01] picture your Paradigm your worldview is going to be full of mixture and that’s

[00:12:06] the camp that I lived in until about a decade ago until the lord gave me the favor and opened up my eyes to see the

[00:12:13] truth of a young Earth history in the six days of creation and dinosaurs and walk with man and all that and it’s

[00:12:18] since that time that my faith in my Christian walk has been more intentional more on purpose because I know God’s not

[00:12:25] playing he did what he said and said what he did and I can rely on it the whole Bible and they aren’t cover to

[00:12:31] cover and take it to the bank and I believe personally that it’s that root system that I’ve developed that has

[00:12:38] produced produced the fruit system that’s in my life so I just want to encourage Believers today that there is

[00:12:43] a connection between how deep your roots grow and how fruitful your tree of uh

[00:12:50] you know of your faith produce or is going to be so with that let’s go ahead and get started here

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[00:16:21] let’s let’s talk about dinosaurs real quick so dinosaurs currently are used by

[00:16:26] the World by the the powers that be as a mechanism for teaching evolution in

[00:16:33] millions of years as those two things are really what’s going on with Dinosaurs it’s almost a bait and switch

[00:16:40] um the you know God knows that our kids have a built-in Fascination towards large majestic creatures and the enemy

[00:16:47] has got this world wrapped around his finger and he’s using that built-in imagination and curiosity and the world

[00:16:54] is feeding it in with these these mysterious creatures that somehow went extinct they think millions of years ago

[00:17:00] and to teach millions of years and evolution and you can see it’s really really open it’s everywhere in your life

[00:17:06] throughout time is 700 Milli million year history of life on Earth you’ve got kids books all over the place that talk

[00:17:13] about the Big Bang all the way up to dinosaurs and it’s pitched as one of the many uh eons or eras of Earth history

[00:17:21] and it’s used to really carry the idea of millions of years which is of course a myth there are no millions of years it

[00:17:28] just goes out book after book after book these poor kids are being enticed

[00:17:33] through their imagination through their curiosity and they lock into dinosaurs there are some kids that will play these

[00:17:40] dinosaur games that come out uh role play games or whatever and they can tell you what what dinosaur it is and how old

[00:17:49] it was in the devil in the evolutionary timeline they’re just being programmed in the this idea of millions of years

[00:17:55] but I think dinosaurs are important because they’re they they relate to how we review or how we view two things

[00:18:02] God’s word and God’s character and I’ll explain what we mean by that so the

[00:18:07] question is did God use a long slow clumsy random murderous process to bring

[00:18:13] about life on Earth through survival of the fittest plus random mutations or

[00:18:19] did he initially create a perfect world lovingly give us free choice and then we

[00:18:24] messed everything up there’s two completely different World Views when it comes to dinosaurs and millions of years

[00:18:30] Choice a is long slow random murderous process leads from dinosaur creatures to

[00:18:36] mammals to eventually us or God creates a perfect world creates land dwelling

[00:18:42] creatures on day six creates man at the very very end of it through E from his

[00:18:47] side and then he gave adam two commissionings name everything and take Dominion everything and Adam messed up

[00:18:55] the fall came into this Earth and everything under his Dominion fell the dinosaur starting eating each other

[00:19:01] humans probably went after dinosaurs so what we have at the flood which is about 1700 years after creation is a is a

[00:19:10] snapshot of the height of the depravity that happened from mankind bringing the

[00:19:15] curse of sin and death into the world so you can see right out of the gate we have two very very different World Views

[00:19:21] if we have a literal interpretation of Genesis which is the one that that what we hold to you have six days of creation

[00:19:28] and God calls the Earth and his creation good after every one of the six days and

[00:19:34] on the end of the sixth day where the seventh day he calls everything very good and then he commands everything to

[00:19:40] eat only green herbs he says to the animals and to the humans only eat green

[00:19:46] things and then we have the fall that comes in and through the fall death came into the world death was introduced into

[00:19:52] the world along with thorns and thistles and pain and childbearing and the curse between men and women that all came as a

[00:19:59] result of human sin so death and suffering were brought into the World by Adam and Eve’s sin not by God’s initial

[00:20:08] perfect plan Dan I have a question about that for you yeah far away you know when you when you were

[00:20:14] um going through this and figuring this out and you took that 90 days to do this research on this were you um was it

[00:20:21] primarily the theological um position because that’s what you just explained was biblically

[00:20:27] um why you hold the position you do but was it primarily the theological evidence or was it primarily the

[00:20:33] scientific evidence or was it just a combination of both that caused you to change your mind

[00:20:38] you know that’s a great and very personal question I can explain it honestly in in two steps what happened

[00:20:45] in my spirit when I heard the guy give really good evidence about dinosaurs walking with man as I really shifted on

[00:20:53] a personal level to humble myself under God saying wow maybe these little homeschooler kids are right maybe I’m

[00:21:00] the one who’s got it wrong so I I stepped from what I thought was a nine foot tall intellectual giant into a

[00:21:06] three-foot child before the Lord and I’m like you know what God I give this thing might be true so I humbled my

[00:21:12] disposition before the Lord that was the first step and then the second step was mostly scientific my my my inquisitive

[00:21:21] process was driven by a scientific curiosity for me that the theology was

[00:21:28] uh was something that was woven into it and I think it maybe motivated my my

[00:21:34] Inquisition and my my my inquiry into all of this because I’m like actually I

[00:21:39] theologically I do have a problem here but what does the science say and that’s what was really driving me I think was

[00:21:45] was what does the data say what does the science say so what was motivating me I think at the time was I just had to

[00:21:51] figure it out for myself if it was true from an Evidence standpoint so so that’s

[00:21:56] interesting to me because um essentially um you know it sounds like you had never

[00:22:03] heard the actual scientific data that supported because today you you would

[00:22:08] say overwhelmingly that the science supports the Biblical history the six day creation the six thousand year old

[00:22:14] history um was it so you just had never heard this this information before is that correct not to the extent that I did

[00:22:21] that day when when this individual was going over dinosaur soft tissue and everything I I would say that the the

[00:22:28] world does a very good job job at obfuscating this evidence there’s not a

[00:22:33] lot of people that know about it now it’s getting out more and more and more but I think the enemy does an extra special job at putting the hood on this

[00:22:40] evidence because it is so earth-shattering so whoever’s on the call today a great great job because uh

[00:22:47] this can shift people it’s that powerful that’s awesome yeah keep going all right

[00:22:53] thank you yeah great question yeah yeah feel free to to interrupt anytime I’m sure we can have all kinds of of fun

[00:22:59] sidebars here so now if we take a non-literal interpretation we would have

[00:23:04] creation and then millions of years of death suffering and bloodshed and at some point Adam and Eve are created now

[00:23:11] a secular scientists parked that at between 300 000 years and 315 000 years

[00:23:16] some earlier some estimates or earlier but but we would say you know it just happened thousands of years ago and then

[00:23:22] at some point after Adam and Eve you have the fall but what about all these millions of

[00:23:28] years of death suffering and bloodshed with animals eating each other you know when I show when I talk with kids about

[00:23:34] this this idea at cafes I’ll I’ll pull up my cell phone and I’ll say hey guys

[00:23:39] let me show you a short video of a Komodo Dragon eating a deer alive

[00:23:45] and it’s horrific I can only last about five seconds of it and I just say you

[00:23:50] know is that how it was at the start when God called Everything very good or

[00:23:55] did something happen what is happening in your spirit right now does that feel like a very good Earth where animals are

[00:24:01] supposed to be just eating the green herbs but this deer sitting here screaming out at the top of it if it

[00:24:07] lungs as it gets munched alive something doesn’t feel right does it and they’re like no it just doesn’t seem like it

[00:24:14] should be that way and it’s quite obvious death is a result of sin and and

[00:24:19] so you can’t you really have all of that death and suffering because you if you did before Adam and Eve were here to sin

[00:24:27] you’re calling that instance of a Komodo Dragon eating a deer alive part of part

[00:24:32] of God’s originally designed Good Earth yeah I that’s not the kind of God I want

[00:24:37] to worship and it’s not the kind of God that revealed himself in the Bible God you know um can I can I ask you

[00:24:43] something about that too yeah because you know this for me this is blatantly clear I I look at this and I go well

[00:24:51] gosh it couldn’t be any more obvious from scripture and but I’ve had conversations

[00:24:57] um I actually was at a conference once where um I was speaking and um Stephen

[00:25:02] Meyer happened to be speaking also who I have great respect for but

[00:25:07] um his view as as well as many other scientists like um Francis Collins and others is that uh

[00:25:15] death existed before before uh Adam and Eve’s original sin and I guess my

[00:25:22] question is is um how do they justify that theologically um as far as you can tell

[00:25:29] um because I can’t imagine that they’re not aware of what Romans teaches about this uh do you have any thoughts about

[00:25:36] that well they they try to talk about well it was it was spiritual eternity or

[00:25:42] instead of you know they were spiritually going to live forever and physical death was always there but you

[00:25:47] really can’t have Adam and Eve standing on a mountain heap of the fossil record

[00:25:53] deaths and bloodshed suffering Cancer carnivorism all that stuff and then God

[00:25:59] finally creates Adam and Eve it also comes down to the principle of dominion and I believe a proper review of

[00:26:06] scripture would show that Adam and Eve they named everything which was an exercise of authority over the animals

[00:26:12] and Romans 8 says that the whole of creation groans under what under the

[00:26:17] weight of sin so it’s clear to me that something happened that was a domino effect to the

[00:26:24] Dominion of everything under Adam and Eve and that’s when animals turned against each other so some older she was

[00:26:31] will try to compartmentalize it and say well there’s spiritual death and then there’s physical death but you know

[00:26:36] knowing that the the character of God and what the word says the word says why would God go out of the way to say hey

[00:26:43] he commanded the animals and he commanded humans only eat fruit and vegetables that’s it that’s what you

[00:26:49] guys are supposed to eat it’s a command right first in Genesis 1 so something happened a shift happened

[00:26:55] after that and if the shift happened when did it happen obviously the

[00:27:00] commencement when Adam and Eve fell it was cursed God cursed animals he cursed the ground he cursed vegetation he

[00:27:08] cursed a relationship between man and woman he gave Eve pain and childbearing he says Adam’s gonna work by the sweat

[00:27:15] of his brow it was a complete Dominion wide curse that was a result of sin so

[00:27:20] for me it’s absolute Butchery of scripture to try to say anything else I mean that’s just saying it like it is

[00:27:27] you know it’s uh I think it’s pretty hard to hold that position to start you know we’ll say well there’s physical

[00:27:32] death and spiritual death I mean you look at Romans Romans 5 and First Corinthians 15 it’s very very clear that

[00:27:39] Adam jacked it up and when he did Death came into the world not just to him but

[00:27:44] to the whole thing and all of Creations groaning under the weight of that sinful choice

[00:27:49] okay okay that’s good and of course you know evolutionists will look at these Thorns

[00:27:55] then they’ll say well that thorn is then a rock that’s 200 million years old we

[00:28:00] have thorns in the fossil record that predate man even being here so that’s another big theological and scientific

[00:28:07] problem how in the world could you have thorns 200 million years before Homo sapiens supposedly arrived so the whole

[00:28:14] thing’s really jacked up if you don’t just hold to a literal perspective of of Genesis that would make the you know the

[00:28:21] result of the of fall really to have no effect because you’ve got all this death suffering thorns and thistles and everything else in the fossil record

[00:28:28] before Adam and Eve were even here to bring it and that would make death and suffering God’s fault and that’s a

[00:28:35] pretty hard thing to stomach so oh yeah theologically I that just seems

[00:28:40] yeah impossible to get around it to me it does too but I think I kind of

[00:28:45] learned this at the same time I was going through the scientific discovery of all the data also supporting that so

[00:28:51] of course man’s word is that evolution is time plus death can lead to a shrew-like creature to a quadruped to a

[00:28:58] biped the cavemen eventually humans and but God’s word says no it’s sin is what

[00:29:04] led to death so two totally different views on death uh Evolution Darwinism

[00:29:09] has death as its hero which supposedly somehow propels vertical Evolution up to

[00:29:14] up the row but the Bible’s like no death is an enemy it didn’t used to be this way and you guys are at fault for

[00:29:21] bringing it here so when your grandma passes away from whatever brings her into the grave that’s the result of

[00:29:28] Adam’s cascading effect of sin not God’s fault you can blame our our first

[00:29:33] parents for that so it totally changes your world view and how you see God uh

[00:29:38] and and the fossil record so you really can’t have millions of years of death disease suffering

[00:29:44] Bloodshed leading to man’s existence no rather we had everything was perfect in sin is what brought death

[00:29:51] okay so if we do hold to that timeline and look at the the Biblical timeline we

[00:29:57] have about six thousand years of History uh dinosaurs are created on day six we

[00:30:02] have the Fallen corruption um then we have about 1656 years until the flood then at the flood event

[00:30:10] a secular paleontologists estimate that there’s about a thousand dinosaur species but if

[00:30:16] you kick it up to the family level it’s more about like 85 kinds or 80 kind of

[00:30:22] kinds of dinosaurs at the family level so that’s all that would have had to be brought on Noah’s Ark just about 85

[00:30:28] dinosaur kinds at the family level that after after they get off of the Ark

[00:30:33] after the 371 day long flood dinosaurs are extremely rare they’re hunted

[00:30:39] they’re hungry they’re not equipped for the post-flood world and they rapidly move into Extinction I think there’s a

[00:30:45] couple of sets or varieties of dinosaurs that probably lived on to the the

[00:30:50] mid-ages I I think theropods and pterosaurs make a pretty strong argument for the Thunderbirds that they saw on a

[00:30:57] lot of the dinosaur accounts that went on in the BC times right before Christ and we’ll talk a little bit about that

[00:31:04] more later when we get to the dragon connection but after the flood world was World version number two was a heart

[00:31:10] Archer climate we have mass extinctions we have the Ice Age going on they’re being hunted by man and they were they

[00:31:16] were really designed for a green lush tropical climate and now we’re talking

[00:31:21] about ice ages so most the dinosaurs went extinct quickly after the flood um so along those same lines

[00:31:28] um would you say that during that time there were a lot of other animals that also went extinct or was it primarily uh

[00:31:36] dinosaurs that went extinct I would say Before the Flood or before the Ice Age and up to the Ice Age there

[00:31:44] was probably a lot of Rapid dinosaur extinction going on then of course we

[00:31:49] have the Ice Age it started about a hundred years after the flood and lasted for about 900 years after the floods

[00:31:55] about a thousand year period there where we had a lot of Ice Age related

[00:32:01] flooding that of course led to the extinction of all the Ice Age related creatures that we would put in the

[00:32:06] cenozoic and and in in that in those strata so um yeah I have another

[00:32:12] question here sorry for all the questions uh that’s all right no fire away I love it um so you know um this is an interesting

[00:32:19] one of my students brought this up and uh thanks Garrett for this question that I’m curious about too is you know we

[00:32:26] have these gigantic meteorite um sites on Earth it looks like they’re they’re the giant impact craters

[00:32:33] um one of them is down at the Yucatan and uh you know people say there’s a

[00:32:39] theory that dinosaurs were wiped out by the the uh asteroid that hit and

[00:32:44] whatever the case it affected the environment and that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs

[00:32:50] um does uh the meteorite these meteorites that we see the impact craters does this play any role in

[00:32:56] Biblical history that’s related to the flood as far as you know I don’t think the Bible speaks much about that what

[00:33:03] are your thoughts on that well here’s a tongue twister for you by way if an answer when the flood happened God

[00:33:10] reigned wreck upon the Earth like we can’t even imagine and when I read in

[00:33:15] the one verse it snagged me in Genesis 6 I believe it says that God says to man I

[00:33:21] will destroy them Humanity with the Earth

[00:33:26] and I’m like whoa If people could even understand what that one sentence means

[00:33:32] God says I’m going to turn the earth into a wrecking machine for corrupt

[00:33:37] Humanity in animals and that’s a terrifying verse and I’m going to show you exactly how that went down now back

[00:33:44] to the the asteroids there’s a good chance that there were a few dozen

[00:33:49] asteroids that were involved in the commencement of the flood that possibly

[00:33:54] could have triggered Genesis 7 11 but The Fountains of the great deep bursting

[00:33:59] forth because God cracked the Earth the crust of the earth like an eggshell and

[00:34:05] if you find craters and there are a few dozen of them that are in pre-flood layers those probably happen at the

[00:34:12] commencement of the flood the chicksalube asteroid and the Yucatan Peninsula is a candidate for that

[00:34:18] personally I think a good candidate because of the tech tights that they find in North Dakota which are these

[00:34:25] little glass-like BB size droplets that were raining down from heaven that were likely from an asteroid strike I don’t

[00:34:32] believe of course that the chickasawab asteroid is a reason for the dinosaur extinction I think it might have been involved around the same period but most

[00:34:40] of the asteroid uh crater record that we have is post flood

[00:34:45] okay but some of that is is pre-flat Dr Andrew Snelling has done an article on

[00:34:51] that if you just go to search creation.org you’ll probably find that great okay thank you good all right yeah

[00:34:57] absolutely so I’m gonna go real quickly pass this part I’m just going to speed

[00:35:02] up through through some of this we’ve all probably heard about Behemoth and Job chapter 40. we’ve got a a YouTube

[00:35:08] video on this but the job chapter 40 gives out 13 or 14 different

[00:35:14] characteristics about this creature called Behemoth and God says you know what strength it has in its loins but

[00:35:21] power in its stomach muscles and the snooze of its thighs are closely knit and its bones are just like beams of

[00:35:27] bronze and his ribs are like rods of iron it’s got a tail that sways like a cedar tree the the first giveaway to

[00:35:34] this being a sauropod dinosaur is just that one sentence that’s really all we need There When God says in the Hebrew

[00:35:41] Behemoth ranks first among the works of God the word that we translate from the

[00:35:47] Hebrew is Chief God says of this creature it’s the chief of all of my

[00:35:53] created works and here we have you know 130 foot long sauropod dinosaur that can

[00:36:00] weigh upward of 80 tons and God describes 13 characteristics about it

[00:36:05] here they are God says first it was made along with man because God tells job consider Behemoth which I made along

[00:36:12] with you like on the same sixth day of creation yeah idiots grass it’s got

[00:36:17] strength in its hips and stomach muscles well come on God because lots of animals have hips have strength in their in

[00:36:24] their hips and stomach muscles why is God pointing this out of a behemoth that’s got a tail that sways like a

[00:36:29] cedar tree well not too many other animals can do that besides a behemoth as a sauropod dinosaur it goes on and on

[00:36:36] and on and these characteristics perfectly fit a sore pod they don’t fit a hippo and they don’t really fit a crop

[00:36:42] so we believe firmly that God is describing the cheap the chief of all of his works as as Behemoth as a sauropod

[00:36:49] dinosaur here’s how large their legs can get that’s the chief of God’s work look

[00:36:54] how massive that thigh bone is there’s its footprint the largest footprint in

[00:37:00] the world look how that thing could stomp on a man just incredibly large feet here is when you look at its

[00:37:07] amazing design there’s just a sauropod leg but just notice that chief engineer and how he did that you’ve got a hip

[00:37:14] structure that goes to a powerful femur which is hollowed out by the way just like the Bible says its legs are like

[00:37:20] tubes of bronze it’s literally like a tube it’s got a hard enamel casing and a

[00:37:25] soft marrow on the inside then it goes from one to two to several to several so

[00:37:33] look at that weight distribution engineering that’s going on there you have one huge mass of femur then it goes

[00:37:39] and it distributes the load to two bones and then to four or five bones and into all the the phalanges there that

[00:37:46] distributes the load in a chief engineering way that would take a

[00:37:51] creative God to make that weight distribution system for an 80 ton animal

[00:37:57] just look at that design feet I mean here we have a diplodocus and when you

[00:38:03] zoom in on its neck you have these things called Chevron bones that hang hang below its neck do you know these

[00:38:10] Chevron bones here are connecting points for muscles and tendons and and ligaments and without these unique

[00:38:17] swiveling Chevron bones it would bend over to get a drink and fold its neck in

[00:38:23] half and choke it couldn’t breathe it couldn’t swallow it couldn’t drink it couldn’t eat amazing amazing design with

[00:38:30] these double beamed Chevron bones and it gets even more amazing

[00:38:36] experts that have studied this say you know what it’s kind of like a construction cable the only way you can

[00:38:41] have this huge long neck going out here is with all these supporting ligaments

[00:38:47] and these Chevron bones this amazing design system and some they’ve applied some engineering principles to this

[00:38:53] creature this guy um Dr Waddell Matthew Bedell has studied these sore pods for decades probably as

[00:39:00] an expert on it’s got a leading book out on it he says you know what there’s no way you could have a long neck but for a

[00:39:07] long tail and but for a long tail you can’t have a long neck because you need a compressive loading and tension

[00:39:13] loading to offset itself at the same at the same time so it’s faster This Is How

[00:39:18] They design and engineer Bridge bridges for our suspension bridge to stand there

[00:39:24] you need pushing and pulling forces going against each other to counterbalance each other out and

[00:39:30] whoever designed this Behemoth knows those suspension bridge engineering

[00:39:36] principles tension loading compressive loading it’s fascinating how you’ve had

[00:39:41] this long creature even get around and walk like it is so it’s got these four

[00:39:47] and a half foot long vertebraes it’s got dozens and dozens of them and the higher you go up in its neck then more and more

[00:39:54] pneumatic they get they’re like honeycomb they’re filled with air so you can see this vertebrae here on on the

[00:40:01] left of your screen and you see how it’s got the hardened enamel on the out outside it’s got a shell casing on the

[00:40:07] inside there with all the ribbing that goes on and as I fly in the yellow Parts here all of that is air they’re all air

[00:40:15] pockets so by the time you get up to the top you’ve got a vertebrae that’s like Styrofoam super super light compared to

[00:40:22] the vertebrae that are on the base so there’s a lot of engineering that went into this you can’t just say oh

[00:40:27] Evolution’s pretty smart millions of years of natural selection just just worked all this stuff out no this thing

[00:40:33] was made as it was from the start and there’s not a lot of transitions that

[00:40:38] evolutionists can point to so just uh just an amazing creature and now we’ve

[00:40:43] even found recently with respect to this verse that he moves his tail like a cedar tree uh the sinews of his thighs

[00:40:50] are tightly knit so Dr winnell has done studies on the connecting points of the

[00:40:56] muscles and the tendons of this creature’s tail and as determined based upon where it connected to the back of

[00:41:02] the femur that it necessarily had to the sway its tail as it walked they don’t

[00:41:08] ever find sauropod drag marks in the sediment Mark when they look for for

[00:41:13] trackways if I have plenty of plenty of footprints but no drag marks for the tail and that’s because it was swaying

[00:41:19] its tail just like a cedar tree as it’s walking around so fascinating

[00:41:24] fascinating design so the Bible has even even proven out these details that is really interesting Isn’t that cool

[00:41:32] that’s like God knew what he was what he was doing there so let’s talk next about the flood and dinosaur extinction you

[00:41:39] know Genesis 7 says that all flesh died that moved on the earth birds and cattle and beasts and every creeping thing that

[00:41:46] creeps on the earth and every man all who’s nostril and whose nostrils were the Breath of Life the spirit of Life uh

[00:41:53] all that were around dry land died so amazing catastrophic flood another key

[00:41:59] verse I just want to point out this one here Genesis 7 11 reads like a real history book in the 6 600th year of

[00:42:06] Noah’s life in the second month the 17th day of the month on the same day were all of The Fountains of the great deep

[00:42:12] broken up and the windows of Heaven were open so the key here is that the flood

[00:42:18] started on the ocean floor and I want to show what that might have looked like it’s based upon what these guys came up

[00:42:25] with in the 1990s this article is a little bit later but they framed this theory in the 1990s panel of six PhD

[00:42:32] smart guys came up with the theory of catastrophic plate tectonics you’re going to see this in our movie uh later

[00:42:39] editor but here’s what it might have looked like as you have Oceanic rifting

[00:42:45] going on bursting up with critically heated water called superheated water

[00:42:50] when these linear Rifts bursting up and it’s going to breathe after wave of tsunamis up onto land and

[00:42:57] that’s exactly how the dinosaurian fossil record is found today they’re found buried in layers that were brought

[00:43:03] up by tsunamis so we believe that happened when a pangea-like formation was split apart

[00:43:10] rapidly where The Fountains of the great deep broke open we have a 40 000 mile

[00:43:16] linear Rift system the oceanic Rift system that goes around the world about 1.6 times the continents were broken

[00:43:23] apart and they moved apart at a pace of about five miles per hour during the

[00:43:29] first 150 days of the flood until God’s stopped The Fountains of the great deep

[00:43:36] and that God says he shut it off about about day 150 so for the first 150 days

[00:43:42] we have catastrophic rifting as the pangea-like formation is being broken apart you can see these Rift systems

[00:43:49] today the encircle the globe almost two times they’re all over the place and that’s what the Bible says or means when

[00:43:55] it says all of the fountains on the same day broke open so Dan um yeah I’ve got

[00:44:02] several questions here that this is all very very interesting um yeah you’re giving up you’re giving a

[00:44:07] lot of very factual uh details um and I’ve read some other creation um

[00:44:14] uh scientific uh studies looking at the physics behind the flood so for example

[00:44:20] you said the tectonic plates were moving at about five miles per hour um where how has that conclusion drawn

[00:44:26] how can you make such a concrete statement about something that happened in the past

[00:44:33] um and that seems so uh fantastic okay well I I’ve got some

[00:44:40] incredible incredible proof uh that can substantiate that and it’s quite simple

[00:44:45] you can find one of the two proofs in today’s you know high school or college textbooks dealing with blood plate

[00:44:51] tectonics and the first one is fossil correlation you can find the same

[00:44:56] creatures buried on matching halves of these continents as they were broken apart and the key is they’re found

[00:45:04] buried in the mud that was responsible for killing them but I think the number

[00:45:10] one for me at least in the the one that’s the most terrifying is the

[00:45:16] volcanic ash and the only way that you can generate rapid the rapid amounts of Ash that were

[00:45:23] dispersed during the first 150 days of the flood is by happening catastrophic

[00:45:29] runaway subduction it can’t be slow and gradual like what we have today there is

[00:45:35] a rift system in Southern California on the Eastern side of California called the independence dike swarm it was we we

[00:45:44] can’t even I throughout these numbers you can’t even imagine what we’re talking about here

[00:45:49] 375 mile linear volcano with all these linear fissures that

[00:45:56] we’re opening up and secular geologists say yep we’re pretty sure that that

[00:46:02] linear Rift system output 4 000 cubic miles of Ash now Mount Saint Helens in

[00:46:10] the 1980s covered three states with Ash and black Skies well well mainly only

[00:46:17] Washington with Ash but three states with black skies and it was like a quarter of one cubic mile of Ash

[00:46:24] now the independence like swarm during the flood 4 000 cubic miles of Ash and

[00:46:30] it blew Ash all the way over and blanketed Utah I mean in the entire

[00:46:36] midwestern region and the only way you can have a volcanic system that angry

[00:46:41] producing that much Ash is something had to be going on under the crust to drive

[00:46:46] that much volcanism and it was the subducting plates and they could have been happening slow

[00:46:53] whatever was happening was happening so fast because the dinosaurs are buried in three products mud sand and Ash you dig

[00:47:02] up the dinosaurs in Utah and assay experts or where do you find them in there oh we find them in Ash OH we find them in mud we find them in sand or

[00:47:08] sometimes all three so the infinix Dyke swarm bellowed out and covered half of

[00:47:14] America and Ash and the dinosaurs are buried in the ash so if you’re starting to see the picture here you’ve got

[00:47:21] dinosaurs that are killed in Ash happen rapidly it’s a snapshot it was a species-wide Extinction all the

[00:47:28] Hadrosaurus bought it all the stegosaurus bought it all the T-Rex is gone buried in this these Ash heaps

[00:47:35] along with mud and sand and it had to happen rapidly because these conveyor belts were diving underneath the North

[00:47:42] America it’s called the Farallon plate that produce all of this you know this

[00:47:48] um this subduction related volcanism that’s coming up out of Southern California blowing up 4 000 cubic miles

[00:47:55] of Ash falling down and blanketing the middle of America so so along those yeah

[00:48:02] so along those same lines um you keep referencing that the dinosaurs

[00:48:07] were covered but but this includes all animals and this includes people too is that right

[00:48:13] includes people but but most people who have studied this uh this region the uh

[00:48:20] like the Morrison formation that encompasses about 13 14 states in the middle of America they were their own

[00:48:27] little ecosystem not a lot of humans if any humans were in that area and the

[00:48:32] dinosaurs were in there and all kinds of different species were in the in that area but it was its own little habitat

[00:48:39] with mostly dinosaur types of creatures living in it when they were buried by that mud sand and Ash

[00:48:44] and is there is there a reason for that I mean um there would still be a quite a few people amount of people on Earth at

[00:48:51] that point in time based on you know population growth um is there any thoughts about that or

[00:48:57] is that just uh the people you know all kind of group together and then the

[00:49:02] animals you know group together is that what was going on or what what are your thoughts there there is uh there’s

[00:49:07] there’s one word that explains the phenomenon but I think we have it’s like a 25 minute video we just did it about

[00:49:14] six months ago that answers the question very directly why don’t we find humans buried with Dinosaurs 25 minute video

[00:49:20] check it out on our on our YouTube channel but the big the big explanation just takes a single word time

[00:49:28] humans were smart and they had time when when if you’re a smart human you’re not

[00:49:34] living in the swamp lowlands like the Jurassic layers where we find all these dinosaurs hanging out there with 40-foot

[00:49:41] crocodiles that are capable of eating you you’re not living in the marshlands you’re not living in the lowlands you’re

[00:49:47] not living in the Sahara areas you’re living in the Uplands that’s probably where humans were living the glacials

[00:49:54] were the what’s called The Shield area like up in Canada you’re living in the highlands and when you’re living up

[00:50:00] there you feel earthquakes like you’ve never felt before in your life you look down at the marshes and the lowlands

[00:50:07] you’re like oh my gosh that entire 100 foot region just got swamped in water what in the world is going on I’m

[00:50:13] getting out of here and they went high and they built crafts they have 150 days

[00:50:19] as the water the the water didn’t Zenith until day 150 that’s what’s called the

[00:50:25] Zuni layers and so humans had 150 days not to mention how it might have been like maybe before the flood but 150 at

[00:50:32] least 150 days as we’re seeing the water rise and these tsunamis come in Retreat come in Retreat so how far can humans

[00:50:40] travel in 150 days you know hundreds of miles so they’re getting away from where this

[00:50:46] stuff is going so by the time they’re finally engulfed by the flood they float bloat and Decay and they’re dissolved

[00:50:52] and they’re gone they just they’re obliterated remember God’s promise I will destroy them with the Earth and he

[00:51:00] did exactly what he said they’re wiped out they’re obliterated so humans were

[00:51:06] the Smart Ones they they had lots of time they could wait till the very very end trying to get away trying to build makeshift crafts hold on to logs

[00:51:12] whatever they can going to the highest lands possible and then they they lose all hope when they’re washed away and

[00:51:18] drowned um thanks Dan for answering that question that’s a great answer so uh I

[00:51:24] feel like we could talk about this for a very long time so for those of you listening uh my

[00:51:30] guest today is Jan Biddle and um and his website genesisapologetics.com uh if you

[00:51:36] are interested in learning more about this um you can check it out there he’s got a a conference coming up March 4th here in

[00:51:43] California if you’re if you’re uh local in Southern California um there’s an opportunity to check that

[00:51:48] out many many resources um Dan we don’t have too much time left but I had a couple quick questions if you don’t mind

[00:51:54] yeah so so um in regards to the best evidences you

[00:52:03] have as to dinosaurs and people living side by side of what do you feel is some

[00:52:09] of the most compelling evidence that dinosaurs and people lived at the same time I mean The evolutionary uh

[00:52:17] worldview says that dinosaurs went extinct far before humans even came into existence

[00:52:24] and there should be no crossover um what what do you feel is some of the most compelling evidence that dinosaurs

[00:52:31] and people actually were living on Earth at the same time so I I actually think

[00:52:37] that a lot of the dinosaurs so when you ask the question that you asked you know we’re really focusing on the post-flood

[00:52:44] experiences between dinosaurs and humans and if you look at just Britain for

[00:52:49] example Britain alone has 81 historical Legend and myths about dragons walking

[00:52:55] with man dragons being with man that’s a lot for just one place the Chinese have a record the Native Americans almost all

[00:53:02] major groups have got all kinds of dinosaur-like stories and legends that go on most people groups around the

[00:53:08] world have their own independent Dragon myths and legends but the thing is

[00:53:14] they’re correlated they sound similar they’re talking about similar creatures or drawing similar creatures or

[00:53:20] describing similar creatures that look a lot like theropod dinosaurs and pterosaurs which are the two most likely

[00:53:26] candidates to go on and live hundreds and hundreds of years after the flood so I believe that most of those Legends

[00:53:34] and myths are hogwash they’re figments of people imagination they’re crazy

[00:53:40] stories they want people wanting to get popular uh just fun lies fairy tales old

[00:53:46] wives tales however whatever you want to call them but when you start drilling into some of them because I’ve reviewed

[00:53:52] dozens of original accounts of these things you’re like wait a second how in the world did that guy just describe

[00:53:58] something with two hands coming out just like this it sounds like an awful lot like a velociraptor and you’ve got Marco

[00:54:03] Polo and and at this kircher you’ve got all these six or seven major popular

[00:54:10] historians Marco Polo and others that have credible histories that we rely

[00:54:16] upon for teaching history classes today but they also talked about dragons and that looked just like dinosaurs so I

[00:54:23] think a lot of the stories are exaggerations or true myths or just Legends but I think some of them are not

[00:54:30] and there’s enough of the sum of them that really make an ironclad case for me

[00:54:36] because you’ve got drawings and myths and legends you’ve got military accounts

[00:54:41] you’ve got cave drawings you’ve got carvings you’ve got oral Traditions you’ve got written Traditions it’s in

[00:54:48] too many places and too many cultures all around the world for the whole thing not to be true dragons are a phenomenon

[00:54:56] in every in every culture but for me I found about a dozen dragon stories that

[00:55:03] I just couldn’t explain away as myth they they really bite you when you dig in deep to them you’re like oh my gosh

[00:55:09] this thing’s got provenance to it it’s got credibility to it Marco Polo is a

[00:55:14] good one uh Alexander the Great has got a military account of his men backing up

[00:55:20] what looked to be like theropod dinosaurs in the back of a cave and killing them all and his men were

[00:55:25] terrified over it I mean there’s a 120 foot dragon skin that they hung in the

[00:55:32] Roman senate you know 2 000 years ago so there’s just way too many of these

[00:55:37] things going on for you to dismiss the whole thing if somebody wanted to get a hold of that if one of our listeners ended up wanting

[00:55:44] to do more research on that do you have any recommendations do you have any resources um where they could look into those

[00:55:49] stories more because that sounds so compelling I put some real good ones in our Arc The

[00:55:55] Ark in the darkness book which you can get on Amazon or through our website it’s the the book that’s going to be

[00:56:01] companion book to go along with the movie but the leading book to get is Vance Nelson’s work called dragons and

[00:56:08] he’s done a lot of research he’s spent probably hundreds of thousands of dollars really going around the entire

[00:56:15] globe and collecting the most credible account stories pictures drawings all that stuff of dragons I think it’s just

[00:56:21] called uh dragons as I believe the name of the book wow that’s fantastic well Dan uh thank

[00:56:28] you so much for being on the program we are we we’ve gone a little bit over but uh it’s definitely worth it so uh I feel

[00:56:33] like again like there’s so much more we could talk about um if you feel the same way and you’re listening

[00:56:38] um please feel free for you to reach out to Dan um his ministry is fantastic like he said he’s got all kinds of resources

[00:56:44] they’ve got an app with information makes it super easy to share with your friends and family members who might be

[00:56:50] Skeptics or maybe are like Dan and never even heard this information before and all it takes is um you know getting a a

[00:56:57] little bit of this before they go wait a second I I think I need to look into this a little bit more and uh crack the

[00:57:02] door of their heart and give them an opportunity to really dig in here and and uh honestly I think the evidence is

[00:57:09] overwhelming that the Biblical history is real history and um everything the Bible says is a

[00:57:15] hundred percent true um so uh thanks again for being here and um Amen to that you’re welcome anytime

[00:57:22] I’m happy to be here awesome okay well um if you’ve uh listening my website’s

[00:57:27] educateforlife.org we’ve got tons of good shows coming up we’ve got an expert on scripture memorization coming up in a

[00:57:33] couple weeks um which uh you know that’s difficult for a lot of people but this guy’s an expert on it and he’ll help give you

[00:57:39] some good advice and guidance on how to get that done and then also we have Jason Lyle coming up talking about the

[00:57:46] James Webb Telescope and the new discoveries there um uh uh in cosmology that is um giving

[00:57:53] evidence for the truth of God’s word also so hope you can join us in the future thanks a lot for being here and

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