From Hinduism to Christianity with Deepa Sukumar

[00:00:00] thanks for being here today my name is Kevin Conover and we’re broadcasting down here in Southern California on FM

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[00:00:19] of um amazing people I’ve had the opportunity to chat with who God has worked through and is continuing to uh

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[00:00:32] really changed their lives and worked through them so you can check that out on educate forlife.org today we have a a

[00:00:38] really big topic that is prevalent in our culture today I’m sure you’ve heard about it if you’ve been listening to the

[00:00:43] news or keeping in touch with anything or you yourself may be dealing with this we’re going to be talking about anxiety

[00:00:51] and uh one of the articles I read uh recently said that anxiety and depression is becoming increasingly

[00:00:56] prevalent among young adults especially in the US with both disorders increasing by 63% from 2005 to

[00:01:03] 2017 and a lot of people have a lot of different theories about why about why this is happening but um even the amount

[00:01:10] of suicides between from 13 to 18 year olds jumped 31% between 2010 and

[00:01:16] 2015 and obviously that’s something that we should care about and that God cares about and I have a wonderful guest on my

[00:01:22] show today Dr Deepa sukumar she’s a pediatrician and also the author of a

[00:01:28] book do not be anxious and uh Dr sukar thank you for being on

[00:01:33] the show today oh I’m I’m actually honored to be here so thank you so much for inviting me absolutely and um you

[00:01:41] know we were talking briefly off the air before we started and you mentioned that as a pediatrician that’s something

[00:01:47] you’re seeing an increasing amount of is anxiety among young people um is this

[00:01:52] something that’s just restrained to young people or is this something that’s also happening to older uh people as

[00:01:57] well I do think anxiety is prevalent generally in the society and um I feel that sometimes you

[00:02:06] know when you step back it’s almost like the Babylonian system there’s like systems set up right from the child

[00:02:12] right from the time you know we are young to kind of put us in this high

[00:02:18] pressure you know sometimes for no reason high pressure situations and from

[00:02:23] a very young age you know um you know there are some people who very like my husband is a very nonchalant person

[00:02:30] nothing shakes in but I mean as people sometimes you know we’re okay as Jesus

[00:02:36] calls us you know lamb like sheep right sheep I mean have you ever seen sheep

[00:02:42] you know like camels or like you know uh you know donkeys carrying up you know

[00:02:47] burdens no because as a sheep the way we are created we’re never um you know a

[00:02:54] mind is not you know programmed to pile up burdens you know we’re

[00:03:00] where that’s why you know um it’s very if you if you wake up in in the morning

[00:03:06] and you know you just feel like you know just like four or five cares just coming on you you know you’re like you’re

[00:03:14] feeling that kind of that sick feeling in your stomach that distress now I’m

[00:03:19] talking about anxiety which is generally prevalent I mean there are some hormonal

[00:03:25] disorders you know hyperthyroidism can cause anxiety you know some kind of you know um mental hormonal imbalance can

[00:03:33] cause anxiety and depression and I’m not against medicines but I’m just telling you the way generally you know we have

[00:03:39] that General kind of anxiety in the society yeah I think we take up more and we

[00:03:47] think we can deal with stuff more you know it’s almost like we pile up the cares and we think we can sort out each

[00:03:54] care and and I think um that I think is the main um reason why you know we see a

[00:04:01] lot of anxiety I mean you know especially with I’m thinking about children right especially in this

[00:04:08] generation I mean think about it when I grew up I didn’t have social media you know I didn’t have the pressure of

[00:04:15] social media you know those uh you know those uh pictures that are like now like

[00:04:21] you know you can you know uh try to change your appearance in the in you know in the Facebook or you know

[00:04:27] wherever you guys are you know the Instagram and stuff like that and you know the number of likes and the number

[00:04:33] of like bad comments and you know it’s these are not necessary for our children

[00:04:38] you know what I mean especially when somebody is growing up your brain is not fully kind of formed until like you know

[00:04:46] early 20s like you as a child it’s hard for you to read in between the lines you

[00:04:52] have concrete thinking it’s hard for you to discern and read between the lines you know so a child in social media

[00:04:59] somebody comments bad about their you know that they’re ugly or anything like that that child you know it’s hard for

[00:05:05] that child to read between the lines and say oh it’s their opinion I’m not like that so I think we need to kind of

[00:05:12] remove all that noise you know as a parent from the children’s life you know

[00:05:18] always go yeah you always have to go through that filter of is this necessary for my child

[00:05:25] right now is this account necessary for my child right now I mean this might be the of the world but what does the word

[00:05:31] of God say I mean is this because you need to as parents I think we have that responsibility to grow that you know

[00:05:39] nourish that child in that loving Godly environment and keep all those toxins away so it I think that’s hard though

[00:05:47] for as a parent and especially if we busy and we’re working but I feel that

[00:05:52] you know for children you know I think as parents we are kind of a little responsible because they are kind of so

[00:05:58] helpless when they are young younger especially children in elementary school and stuff like that and I think that we

[00:06:04] need to step back and first pray and ask God God where is the enemy coming in my CH child’s life you know where is he

[00:06:12] trying to come and show his ugly head and then we need to start praying about

[00:06:18] it and ask the Lord what we need to do it could be it could honestly be homeschooling I’m not telling I

[00:06:25] homeschool my child but I I’m not telling that as the but it could be removing that child from that environment of praying for Godly

[00:06:31] children I mean Godly friends um so I think it’s you know the way we approach

[00:06:38] anxiety especially in Little Children is that I think as parents we should you know I’m not I know everybody is busy

[00:06:45] but I think we should step back and um take uh you know almost like a you know

[00:06:51] like I’m not sure take an account of what’s happening in that child’s life and say hey you know what she’s good at

[00:06:58] this but when the it comes to this you know something is wrong so what so you step back and you say Lord what is it

[00:07:05] how should I approach this and then try to kind of you know correct it with

[00:07:11] God’s grace um it is an ongoing process it requires time so I I feel that I

[00:07:20] always feel growing up when children are growing up you know your marriage and your child is your priority before

[00:07:27] anything else cuz I’ll tell you something if you can run around you know with your carrier which is fine you know

[00:07:33] I’m not against you know I I’m a pediatrician but this you know sometimes when we don’t tend to that Garden it can

[00:07:42] come back to bite us you know in the future so absolutely I mean yeah I I you

[00:07:48] know as a as a teacher and also as a I was a administrator for a while and

[00:07:53] there’s no doubt about it that um the invol the social media and access to

[00:08:00] people online who they’re not good friends with they don’t have close relations to and also the fact that the

[00:08:06] internet does this thing where people um it removes like the a social awareness

[00:08:14] of how your words affect a person because you’re they’re not right there in front of you you’re not looking at their eyes you’re not looking at their

[00:08:20] facial expressions and what ends up happening is people become careless with their words and so the words seem to me

[00:08:26] to be so much more um derogatory online than they would be if they were in person and so these kids and end up

[00:08:35] getting so much more negative uh just input that it just it’s just a torrent

[00:08:41] of negative input that can just uh like you’re describing just burden a child

[00:08:46] with so much that they’re not prepared to to deal with in any way and really nobody nobody should have to deal with

[00:08:53] that kind of onslaught of negativity um so such a young age you you know when

[00:09:00] you’re young and you already have school and kind of peer pressure and all those things and you’re trying to kind of

[00:09:06] learn and play in life you know especially when they’re teenagers you know they you know they they’re kind of

[00:09:12] trying to uh root themselves you know in their identity and I would say you know if you

[00:09:19] know if people call you like you know a couple of three four messages go you’re ugly or you’re this or your nose looks

[00:09:25] like this it just you know it kind of goes into the into the brain to you know

[00:09:30] rewire the brain in a very different way that might affect them for years to come so for me I would say as a Christian you

[00:09:39] always have to tell your child how precious they are in Christ you know how

[00:09:45] that is the word of God right you you’re his workmanship uh you’re fearfully and

[00:09:50] wonderfully made you’re one of a kind you know you’re beautiful in his eyes you’re precious in His Eyes I feel that

[00:09:58] if you don’t from a very young age because Satan can get you at a really young age you know a three-year-old

[00:10:04] four-year-old can still remember what some that was said negative of them so I think as uh parents or as Grandparents

[00:10:11] or as uncles or aunts we we start praying for the child from a very very

[00:10:16] young age even before the child is born basically in the womb but as soon as the you always speak you know you try to

[00:10:23] speak what is edifying that’s what Bible says right speak what is edifying and and you know imparting Grace and as as a

[00:10:29] young child too you you have to because the world is not that kind you know to

[00:10:35] the child when the world steps up so you have to speak life and you have to tell them from a very young age you know

[00:10:41] you’re precious you know the creator of the universe you know he he came down to die for you because you’re so precious

[00:10:48] and you’re so beautiful you’re one of a kind and you’re kind and you are you know you are loving and you are he if

[00:10:55] you’re not selfish we have to you know literally not flattery you know just

[00:11:02] tell what is in the word of God to that child every single day uh because that’s

[00:11:09] literally washing the child with the word of God and child is rooted in who

[00:11:15] or she is in Christ I’m not telling you challenges won’t come challenges will come because Bible says Storms Come but

[00:11:22] if that child is rooted the child can always go back to that reaffirmation saying maybe what they say is a lie you

[00:11:29] know that’s not true you know I would probably you know I’m not that’s not true this is who I am and it has to be

[00:11:38] impressed on a child from a very young age because otherwise just life will

[00:11:43] toss you know and turn just like anybody else you know and and the child would be like who am I and that’s why there’s a

[00:11:49] lot of identity crisis right now because a child be rooted in you know they want

[00:11:55] to be nurtured and and be rooted and said you know this is who I am and the

[00:12:00] world tells them a hundred things right now and so when as parents I think we have that responsibility to go to the

[00:12:07] Lord and say Lord how do I encourage my child how do I develop her or him you

[00:12:13] know as as a strong person who’s rooted and grounded in your love not in but in

[00:12:20] your love so that I think is very very important as Christians because that is the root if you get the root right the

[00:12:27] branches will grow you know yeah and it’s it’s different than you know there people are afraid of the whole um well I

[00:12:34] don’t want to give my my um child a false sense of confidence but what

[00:12:40] you’re saying is that this is this is grounded in the word of God who they are as a child of God and that’s not you’re

[00:12:46] not you’re not telling them things that aren’t true you’re not telling them they’re better than they are but you’re telling them who they are in Christ as

[00:12:52] an individual which like you said builds a foundation that can withstand those storms that come because their identity

[00:12:59] is in Christ and God’s love for them which I think is just so so valuable for

[00:13:06] anybody any child and we’re not talking about selfon we talking about God confidence you know

[00:13:12] that you know okay so especially when they go to middle school and you know especially I think Middle School is is

[00:13:20] like the face where I think the enemy tries to get them you know so I would

[00:13:25] say you know by the time they go to Middle School just prepare them prepare them that they will be people who will talk against you there will be people I

[00:13:32] mean the world is not a super kind place you should we should let them know that okay yep you know this person is

[00:13:38] bullying you well you should know to do the right thing so you should come tell Mommy Daddy you should report it you

[00:13:43] know to your teacher um you know but also say you know maybe that person is

[00:13:49] troubled maybe you know unkind things or unkind um you know things have been said

[00:13:54] to her or him or done to her or him so you know let’s not hate that child let’s

[00:13:59] just pray but you can’t pray for another person you know like that a person who

[00:14:07] hates you as a child unless you know who you are in Christ you know so I think

[00:14:12] that um I know we prepare academically for everything but I think we really

[00:14:18] also need to take time before every school year you know now it’s going to be summer summer here in Florida um to

[00:14:25] just say word what is it that you want you know me to pray for the next SK scho

[00:14:31] school year of my child I mean yes academics for sure but um you know what

[00:14:36] should I pray regarding you know uh you know sometimes God would say you know

[00:14:41] just pray that you know that tell the child you know to be courageous that she he is with him you know simple things

[00:14:48] and also pray that you know that the child will come and encounter with Godly

[00:14:54] friends and when when all this this is done we also pray that the child will would be a light wherever the child goes

[00:15:01] because you know that’s ultimately what God’s purpose is so I think that prayer

[00:15:07] is a huge thing especially you know in medicine there’s something called prophylaxis so you know you give shots

[00:15:14] to prevent you know you take Vitamin C to prevent you know to build up so I I

[00:15:19] call it prophylactic prayers you know you yeah you don’t pray in the situation

[00:15:25] and say God what do I do which the situations might come but you look back and okay this this year my my you know

[00:15:31] my child is going to the school Lord which what are the you know what are the things that I should be aware of you

[00:15:37] know open my eyes to see the snare of the enemy or open my eyes to see you

[00:15:42] know where the you know where she needs strength or where he needs strength or

[00:15:47] open my eyes to see who is that child that my child has to minister to um you

[00:15:53] know so a lot you know those things take time but I can tell you when we prepare

[00:16:01] and even in medicine when we do the prophylaxis we avoid a lot of problems I’m not telling you it’s going to be no

[00:16:07] problem you know because but it will avoid a considerable amount of problems that make the Bible

[00:16:14] says make the Crooked path straight PA straight in front of you know us our family our children stuff so

[00:16:22] I think I love it well tell us a little bit um tell us a little bit about your book um and how why you decided to write

[00:16:30] this book and um so that our viewers uh can can get an idea about it and and

[00:16:36] potentially purchase a copy because I think it it would be a huge blessing to many people to be able to um read what

[00:16:42] you’ve written about this sure yeah um well if for for readers um who don’t

[00:16:47] know I was a Hindu before I became a Christian um you know I was a Hindu you know born and brought up in India you

[00:16:54] know I I literally thought you know Hindus have your you know your own Gods you know Christians have Jesus say you

[00:16:59] know Muslims have their own Gods um but um in a very radical way when I was at

[00:17:05] the lowest of my you know I REM okay so when I was in when I was in med school

[00:17:12] uh you know third year of med school um you know out of like 200 students in my

[00:17:18] med school class I think there was more than that but um out of the boo there was one person who came and told me uh

[00:17:25] DEA Jesus I couldn’t sleep last night because Jesus kept telling me that I did

[00:17:30] not tell um I did not tell uh you uh you

[00:17:36] know I did not tell Jesus uh you know I did not tell about Jesus to you or it

[00:17:41] was basically like I did not tell my daugh you did not tell my daughter about me okay that’s the word yeah so I was

[00:17:49] like what is that I mean daughter son I mean I that’s like almost like it’s

[00:17:54] strange you know strange language lingual for me and um you know my thing was oh he’s trying to convert me you

[00:18:01] know they all they all and so they all when they talk they talk about Jesus people don’t understand that as a

[00:18:07] Christian when you talk about Jesus it’s nothing that I’m I am benefiting from it

[00:18:13] it’s that Christ love that unconditional love that flows through you to go break

[00:18:18] the bondage in the other person and so as you know as an as if you’re not a

[00:18:24] Christian that kind of unconditional love doesn’t really sink within your heart I’m like

[00:18:29] points or something like that yeah how’s he gonna make H how how’s he gonna make some money off

[00:18:35] this like he’s making points with his God or something yeah foolish for me to

[00:18:40] think like that but you know but he came and said that and I was like out of the blue I’m like why is this guy telling me

[00:18:46] this and then right around that time A friend of mine who was a Hindu she got radically transformed and she started

[00:18:53] hang I started hanging out with her and she started all she would do is she will

[00:18:59] open the Bible read the word of God and pray with me in jesus’ name and leave

[00:19:04] she would never say tell the gospel to me she never said Jesus was the way the truth and the life but I think that God

[00:19:11] knows how to reach his sheep for me I was so stubborn that um I was not

[00:19:17] willing to you know hear the gospel and say Jesus is the only way so he sent his

[00:19:23] word for three years to break my heart to break my heart to break my heart and heal my heart and then

[00:19:29] uh but then I kind of kept rejecting him though I was really foolish uh I don’t

[00:19:35] know why because I thought I would never want to be a Christian that’s just not my you know I it’s just you know it’s

[00:19:41] just what I thought and it’s just the foolishness of your heart um you know not to receive so much love but I think

[00:19:48] in the end when I was um in the last year of med school I was kind of very disolution um to the point that I you

[00:19:56] know I said you know what let me just I’m I’m I’m just end my life it was to the point that where I it just happens

[00:20:01] suddenly you know like hopelessness comes just like that to anybody you know

[00:20:06] um so I when I went I reached that point I said if there is a God in heaven no I

[00:20:12] said if there’s a source or something that in heaven I didn’t even say the word God I didn’t say the word Jesus do

[00:20:18] something about my life um or else you know I see no point in living and so the

[00:20:23] next day um you know and I had a plan you know just I was just you know

[00:20:29] when you live life without the hope and love that is in

[00:20:34] Christ there is a high chance that you’ll get burnt out yeah because you cannot keep fighting against the waves

[00:20:41] of Life by yourself all the time you know because life can push you and pull you even as a child or you know as an

[00:20:48] adult you know whatever you are it’s you need that love of God the power of God

[00:20:53] the wisdom of God the the the strength of that Holy Spirit to to kind of you know give you a boost and take you

[00:21:00] through life so without that I think I was also kind of you know I’m like I’m done kind of you know feeling so I

[00:21:07] remember the next day when I came down from the stairs I was on call in the hospital during that night and my friend

[00:21:13] her name is rohini the one who was a you know Hindu and God converted Christian and she saw me and she said something’s

[00:21:19] wrong with her so she took me to the chapel and she started reading the word of God again whatever she did was

[00:21:24] whatever she did again so yeah Hebrews and she was reading Hebrew and she read Hebrews 1 2 3 4 5 the ver Hebrews

[00:21:32] chapter 13 verse 5 is I will never leave you I will never forsake you and I mean

[00:21:38] think about it Kevin I am the skeptic you know Hindu uh I know that Jesus has

[00:21:45] power but I’ve still not realized that he is god um you know and I’m I’m like looking for answers myself you know just

[00:21:53] I want to be in control of everything in my life and this line I will never leave

[00:21:58] you will never forsake you just that one line just it I think it literally jumped

[00:22:03] out of the Bible just touched my heart and the spirit of suicide the spirit of just hopelessness left me now I know

[00:22:11] that you know we’re all scientific and I you know I Bas everything scientifically but I couldn’t explain

[00:22:17] this but I I got the result I mean I was uh when I walked out of that Chapel that

[00:22:23] day I just I that that just one line just literally changed my my whole

[00:22:29] countenance and so when I walked out of that uh you know that Chapel that day I

[00:22:36] knew Jesus was Lord oh how do I know I knew I mean you can’t you can’t the

[00:22:42] blind if I was once blind and now I can see so you can’t come and question me you can have your doubts and I respect

[00:22:48] your doubts and you know I that’s fine you know I’m not trying to change you but I was blind and I could see I knew

[00:22:54] Jesus was L that spirit of suicide had left and also um you know I felt the

[00:22:59] Lord telling me that you know till now you’ve always trusted human beings from now on I’m going to take care of you I’m

[00:23:05] going to take care of you like a queen and that was in December of 1997 now if that some kind of a fluke I

[00:23:11] wouldn’t still be talking about Jesus and his awesomeness you know what so many years later 20 something years

[00:23:18] later so I so that’s my background because I want to tell my background before I tell about the book so I so for

[00:23:26] me anything and everything the answer is in the word of God because that’s how these my my life

[00:23:33] has been till now if I need anything I know that the answer is in the word of

[00:23:39] God if I trust him his word and I stick with him uh in his presence you know

[00:23:46] answer will come and so I started you know I think my Ministry is Ministry of encouragement so I started writing

[00:23:53] devotionals to encourage people and then once after five years I put all those devotionals in this book but my point

[00:23:59] for this book is that the there’s always you know that

[00:24:05] Temptation for us to leave the presence of God you know and say oh I’ve met so

[00:24:13] many disappointments in life if God was there why would this happen if God is

[00:24:18] there why would you know this happen and that’s kind of being pounded on our

[00:24:23] teenagers right now you know but Grace if you if you stay in the presence of

[00:24:30] grace and truth right yeah and you give him time people forget the the word time

[00:24:38] give him time to work on the situation to work on your heart the answer will

[00:24:44] come so I when I wrote this book I wanted the main reason for this book is

[00:24:50] not like you know one two three you know you’re not going to be anxious which really people have told me that really

[00:24:55] really helps with anxiety and the reason I wrote this book was for people to say

[00:25:01] to for people to know that there is a safe space in God for

[00:25:06] you you know and if you stay in that space and you read the word of God you

[00:25:12] go to him with all your cares you know you go to him with Thanksgiving you go to him with all your cares and you stay

[00:25:19] in his presence and abide in his presence Victory will come for you it will you’re more than a conqueror in in

[00:25:26] any area that you are there um you know you have to have that faith and that

[00:25:31] unadulterated you know Bible says have a childlike Faith right what does a child do whatever your whatever mommy or daddy

[00:25:37] says is true to them you don’t think and so God wants us to have that childlike

[00:25:42] faith in his presence and um I feel that the presence of God is the strongest

[00:25:48] place to be in you know just if you stay there if you receive his love receive

[00:25:55] his grace receive his truth receive his word you are going to come out Victorious

[00:26:01] life is going to work out for you so I think that is what I wanted people to take away from this book that you’re not

[00:26:08] alone you’re not in this world by him yourself there are times when your biological parents would have forsaken

[00:26:15] you you know your uh you know your spouse could have forsaken your children but you’re not alone because the creator

[00:26:22] of the universe you know uh you know is there for you he’s your father you know he’s

[00:26:29] not your master or he’s not he’s your father so if you come to him and you

[00:26:35] know just trust him you don’t have to have all the answers when you come to him but if you come to him and if you

[00:26:40] trust him and you stay in his presence he’s going to envelop you with his love

[00:26:46] with his grace with his power and soon chains are going to fall off so that is

[00:26:52] the that is the feel I can’t tell it’s a feeling but that’s the thing that I want

[00:26:57] people to take take away from this book of course the book has like 42 devotionals and it deals with um because

[00:27:03] people don’t understand it’s not like anxiety if you are there are specific

[00:27:08] strongholds in your mind that cause anxiety so say for instance um you know you’re not you you you know you you’re

[00:27:16] still holding on to your past you know your past hurts your past this you’ve

[00:27:21] not really given it to God to you know forget and you know forgive and move on

[00:27:28] um that’s going to trigger anxiety whenever you see PE those people who’ hurt you or people who are similar to

[00:27:34] them you know uh for instance you know if an elder in church has hurt you you’ll be anxious if if you’re in

[00:27:41] contact or you know you’re talking to any other Elder it’s almost like all these things are related so um so if you

[00:27:47] have a trouble in that area go to the Lord with that you know tell the Lord what is it that I’m missing here release

[00:27:54] that anxiety break that stronghold um you know other things like if you have trouble with your identity you know know

[00:27:59] who who you are so it has like different different things where the strongholds are broken but more than anything else I

[00:28:06] want them to know that if you come to the presence of God with your doubts and don’t leave his presence you know with

[00:28:11] all your doubts and worries and you know anxiety and even your anger he’s GNA

[00:28:17] he’s going to you know heal you and strengthen you so that’s a powerful message I think a lot of people need to

[00:28:24] hear that and uh you know what would you say so what would you say is the most

[00:28:29] significant hurdle that Christians have in you know deciding to stay and rest in God

[00:28:38] rather than walking away because I I know that a lot of people they struggle with an issue where they go well God let

[00:28:44] me down in the past and something didn’t go the way I expected it to go and I can’t I can’t in my mind reconcile how

[00:28:52] God could love me and also allow this to happen therefore I’m not going to trust him and why would I go spend more time

[00:28:59] with him how does a person overcome something like that give God a chance I mean you know

[00:29:06] if we think about it we give a lot of people in our life Second Chances third chances fourth chances right I mean our

[00:29:12] children our parents our spous I mean uh girlfriends boyfriends why don’t you give him a

[00:29:17] chance and wait and and the second thing is that it’s not a microwave cookbook

[00:29:23] you know what I mean it takes time because when we go to God with the

[00:29:29] situation um you know maybe there was some things that was immature in our

[00:29:34] heart when that thing happened or maybe you know it’s it’s it is a Fallen World

[00:29:40] so maybe you know the other person was not that mature or what I’m trying to tell you

[00:29:45] is give him time time is the essence I think people

[00:29:51] I mean Abraham waited for what like 25 years for his uh you know so give him time I mean

[00:30:00] he he’s the source of all wisdom all answers give him time I can guarantee

[00:30:05] you you you’re not get going to get those answers in the world I mean I’ve walked with and there are times when

[00:30:12] you’re like you really doubt and you’re like Lord are you there I mean why did this happen it’s okay to ask him those

[00:30:19] questions you know people as as children we have to be frank with our Abba we should just tell him L I’m not happy

[00:30:25] with this I’m actually upset with this why why did this happen this one you can ask him all the questions um you know

[00:30:32] Bible says when you seek him with all your heart you will find him you know you you you don’t have to be be real

[00:30:39] with God you know he knows your heart he knows your doubts he knows everything I

[00:30:44] would say if you are real with God I think that helps you know we’re not

[00:30:50] serving some distant God where he came down he died for us and he said you’re

[00:30:55] my children now so um you know be be honest in his presence with your frustrations that’s number one number

[00:31:02] two give him time give him time to work out and give him time to give you the

[00:31:08] answers um you know you’re frustrated and you leave there will be a time when

[00:31:15] you’ll come back but the things that you wasted all that time outside his presence and when you when you go

[00:31:21] outside his presence is you know you might be more hurt more this you know more you know the en you’re more exposed

[00:31:27] to the enemy and so you will come back I’ve seen a lot of people come back but those years are kind of you know not

[00:31:34] productive years fruitful fruitful years say just give him another chance we give

[00:31:40] people lots of chances right give him be honest with him pour out your heart to

[00:31:47] the Lord you know like in the p in the Psalms and and we see that example in job and actually we see that in biblical

[00:31:54] characters all throughout the text who are very blatantly on I mean Moses said kill me I don’t want to live anymore and

[00:32:01] so did Elijah they were like it’s too much I can’t do it and then God comes

[00:32:07] and goes hey I’m I’m gonna help you out don’t worry so you out and he will never

[00:32:13] fail if you give him the if you stay in the presence of him his grace his truth give him time uh and then R pour out

[00:32:21] your heart be frank with him and say Lord I’m not feeling you this time happened I’m feeling this you know it’s

[00:32:28] really yeah DEA I wanted to ask you um there’s so many good titles in your in

[00:32:34] your book and so many uh points that I think it’s wonderful I really like the way you wrote it I like how the chapters

[00:32:40] are very devotional oriented and very um short so you can get get what you need

[00:32:46] for that day and and really just um you know meditate on that point do you have any chapters in here um that are kind of

[00:32:53] your favorites ones that that for you are are maybe more meaning or really you

[00:32:59] feel like are special for you personally and for others um I well I I I like all

[00:33:07] the chapters but I like a couple of them which I feel that it is um you know a

[00:33:13] couple of them were I feel that sometimes you know we compare our faith with other people like oh they they have

[00:33:22] this huge faith and they are so special and I am not like that I don’t kind but

[00:33:27] but you think about the Bible you think about Jesus you know you think about the people who came to him right uh uh Jesus

[00:33:36] answered everybody at the level of their faith uh for instance the the woman with

[00:33:41] the issue of blood she said if I only touch him I’ll be healed you know the the Centurion said no you tell the word

[00:33:47] Lord and my servant will be healed gyrus said come with me gyus was like no I need physically Jesus there for my

[00:33:54] daughter so yeah so um you know so so and then the S Nation women she was like

[00:34:00] L you know she wasn’t offended by his you know calling her dog um I feel that

[00:34:06] you know these are people with different levels of Faith you know there’s big Faith there’s little faith I don’t want

[00:34:12] us to get beaten up about you know Faith because the enemy can put comparison in

[00:34:17] anything including Faith you know so I think that you know that’s one of my the chapters that relate to me kind of you

[00:34:23] know because you know it it really kind of ministers to me so I would just say

[00:34:29] you know there’s one chapter there where I talk about that and say don’t compare your faith Bible says even a mustard

[00:34:34] seed faith is enough so don’t look at them and say oh they are fasting for 21 days or they are praying for five hours

[00:34:41] and they have no no you it’s you and your Abba it’s you and him and whatever

[00:34:48] Faith you have that little faith take it to God you know so so you know do you

[00:34:54] know comparing other people’s Faith gives you anxiety so it’s it’s all these subtle things you know that the enemy

[00:35:00] just puts in that you know that gives us you know anxiety so I would say you know take your little faith that you have and

[00:35:06] go to God and say God do this for me so that was one chapter that I really liked

[00:35:13] um the other thing is that God showed me that he is love right he is love he he has love but

[00:35:21] he is love so when I put that uh you know that love is patient love is kind

[00:35:27] love does not envy love does not remember wrongs um I put God in that and

[00:35:33] I said God is love God know God is patient so God is patient to me God is

[00:35:39] kind towards me he does not remember my wrongs God is not easily angered with me

[00:35:46] um so that is something that I really liked in the chapter because the Holy Spirit who helps me it’s not me who

[00:35:51] wrote the book right so uh when I put that God instead of love in that it show

[00:35:57] shows how he used to mean you know so that was one of the chapters that I really liked and the third one um I

[00:36:05] don’t remember I’m just trying to remember something that will help um Joseph you remember when Joseph named

[00:36:12] his first son he said uh my first son’s name uh manessa which which means that

[00:36:20] um the I’m forgotten all the hurt yeah that means that I’m taking

[00:36:27] clean break and I’m forgetting all the hurt that’s done towards me that sometimes um you know for us to

[00:36:36] break away from certain things of anxiety we have to take a clean break and say okay enough is enough I’m not

[00:36:41] going to remember those hurts anymore my lord is my restorer he is my banner he’s

[00:36:47] the retribution I’m going to just forgive and just push aside those hoods

[00:36:53] once and for all and if they ever come up again I’m just going to you know give it to God so you know you take a you try

[00:37:00] to take a clean break and then the next time the hurt comes you give it to God uh because sometimes you need to forget

[00:37:06] the hurt and push forward you know in life so so uh these are all like

[00:37:11] completely different topics you know the devotionals um but but I like it I like

[00:37:17] it because it shows the breadth of you know the topics and that all of these

[00:37:22] are things that influence how we feel you know how we think and and ultimately

[00:37:29] whether we can be at peace or not and so all of these different topics are wonderful for a person to be able to go

[00:37:36] through and uh be able to ultimately gain so much peace and you have uh day

[00:37:43] 63 for those of you listening um my guest is uh Dr Deepa sukumar and she’s

[00:37:50] written a book on anxiety um you know as a pediatrician and somebody who works

[00:37:55] with kids um you know who are struggling a lot if you if you need just that

[00:38:01] insight and that guidance in overcoming Anxiety which I think is so many people do in our our culture and and the world

[00:38:09] there seems to be so much to worry about right there’s there’s world events um and because of the internet we have

[00:38:14] access to stuff we would never have known in the past in the past it was kind of like you know what’s happening in your community but you don’t know all

[00:38:20] the problems that every other community is dealing with and now we we get all that and so um it just seems like

[00:38:28] uh the devil has capitalized on something that’s good which is getting a lot of good information you know that

[00:38:34] that is helpful but also getting a lot of information that really um just amplifies anxiety and gives you a lot of

[00:38:41] stuff to worry about that that is none of your business honestly you know we’re supposed to be dealing with our families

[00:38:47] with our communities with our local church not not trying to you know rescue the world uh I mean we we do God has

[00:38:54] called us to reach out to the world but at the same time uh um we can only handle so much he saves the world we we

[00:39:00] just you know deal people that are right here in front of us so yeah I love it

[00:39:06] how can people get a copy of your book if they they want to get a copy of it h Amazon should be it’s available in

[00:39:13] Amazon yeah uhuh do you have a website or anything that uh if if somebody wants to reach out um I don’t but they can

[00:39:20] always there’s an email at the end of the book uh it says enter hisr 2020@gmail.com uh

[00:39:27] they can communicate with me directly wonderful that’s so fantastic um any any other um tips you

[00:39:35] want to share with somebody who’s maybe uh if somebody has really high level anxiety um and

[00:39:43] like you said this is time this is something that happens over and you’ve

[00:39:49] got it it’s a 62 day 63 days of focusing on growing and and and getting peace but

[00:39:56] what if some body is in a situation that’s more of a seems like more of an emergency situation of course they can

[00:40:02] go to the hospital and stu stuff like that but what if somebody really needs help they’re in a maybe a real traumatic

[00:40:07] situation that’s has tremendous anxiety like maybe going through a divorce or a death in the family or something like

[00:40:13] that do you have any advice in that regard I would say definitely seek help that’s number one because when you are

[00:40:20] going through a trauma or crisis your mind is crying out like crazy things you know it’s like all the worst things you

[00:40:25] know it’s just coming out and so there’s you know seek you can seek professional help you know seek therapy

[00:40:32] you know there’s so many Christian therapists you know um and you know you could definitely you know uh you can

[00:40:38] seek a medical help you know that is number one so that’s one but I would

[00:40:43] say always remember when there’s a crisis the enemy is going to scream the

[00:40:50] loudest and say that’s it everything is done your life is done you know because that’s what the enemy does he steals

[00:40:56] kills and destroy so um this is again apart from seeking

[00:41:01] professional help I’m telling you um he would always say this is the end of the world and he would make sure that you

[00:41:09] imagine the worst case scenario and that’s his you know he’s a liar that’s his that’s how he’s been doing it all

[00:41:14] these years and so there’s nothing new in him um I would say it’s almost like going against the tide when you’re in a

[00:41:21] crisis and you need all the help all the strength you have um so I would say the

[00:41:28] first thing is that after seeking professional help second surround yourself with mature godly

[00:41:34] people mature God don’t hesitate to ask for help all right do not hesitate

[00:41:40] people you know sometimes I might need help in a season and the other person might need help in another season that’s

[00:41:45] why we are a body of Christ do not hesitate to ask for help and you know I

[00:41:50] pray that you know ask the Lord I pray that you will be surrounded with mature believers who would give you the right

[00:41:57] kind of help so don’t hesitate to ask for help and then you know the most important thing is stay in his presence

[00:42:04] you know I know it’s a storm I know that you know it looks like your world has just come down but stay in his presence

[00:42:13] because in his presence is where you will get all the answers ultimately you know and God is a huge rewarder of Faith

[00:42:21] you know especially when you stay in his presence when things are going wrong I think that really pleases say him and

[00:42:27] I’m telling you as the years go by you will see the reward he is somebody who’s like look at

[00:42:34] this child you know she is going through so much he’s going through so much but in spite of that he or she is trusting

[00:42:39] me trusting my word I mean as a Earthly parent if a child does that won’t we like love that child I mean how much

[00:42:46] more a father in Heaven so I would say stay in his presence stay in his word um

[00:42:52] you know even if you feel like you’re losing it just stay in his word and and don’t go by feel feelings you know

[00:42:58] feelings would feelings are so brittle sometimes feelings would just say I I

[00:43:03] you know go go die you know just like you know and the next moment you’re fine

[00:43:09] so please don’t go by feelings please go by the word of God because that is the raw um so you stay in his presence if

[00:43:16] you you know be if you’re being fed by the body of Christ and you know uh you seek the right help you’re going to be

[00:43:22] you are going to be in a better place because that’s what God is God is always fith

[00:43:27] so that’s what I would say to a person who’s going to any that’s that’s wonderful counsel um again if you’re if

[00:43:34] you’re listening to our um our discussion my guest today is Dr uh Deepa

[00:43:39] Su uh sukumar she is originally from India and uh has a great testimony of

[00:43:45] how Christ met her um just through the faithfulness of a friend um consistently

[00:43:50] bringing her to his word and this is a wonderful devotional book do not be anxious you can get it and um I promise

[00:43:57] you it’ be a wonderful gift uh book to go through with your family or with friends or with um your children just to

[00:44:05] read one of these devotionals on a regular basis in in our culture that is so anxious it’s a very timely book so I

[00:44:13] encourage you to um check it out you can get it on Amazon and uh thank you so much for being on the program today it’s

[00:44:20] been a huge blessing thank you thank you so much for having me God bless you absolutely my website’s educate .org um

[00:44:28] all kinds of podcasts you can check out on there and a bunch of resources you can use if you’re listening um I hope

[00:44:34] it’s a blessing to you thanks for being up with us we will be back again next week and I look forward to being with

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