Overturning Roe V. Wade — with Pastor James Kaddis
On this episode of The Educate for Life Podcast, we tackle one of the most pressing cultural and theological issues of our time—abortion and the overturning of Roe v. Wade. With a focus on Christian education, biblical worldview, and Christian apologetics, we explore how believers can think clearly, love compassionately, and stand courageously. Whether you’re engaged in homeschool curriculum planning, classroom teaching, or Christian parenting, this conversation equips you to disciple the next generation with truth and grace—where faith and science point to the value of every human life.
Clarity, Courage, and the Constitution: Why This Conversation Matters
Pastor James Kaddis (Calvary Chapel Signal Hill) joins host Kevin Conover to unpack the legal, moral, and biblical dimensions surrounding Roe v. Wade and Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health. With ministry leadership, legal training, and decades of pastoral counseling, Pastor James brings a balanced yet bold perspective on how believers can engage a culture confused by shifting definitions like “viability” and “privacy.”
At the heart of this dialogue is a simple, world-shaping claim: human life bears God’s image from conception (Gen. 1:27; Ps. 139). That core doctrine reframes public policy, Christian parenting, and school discipleship. As families and educators navigate curriculum choices and classroom conversations, a strong biblical worldview helps students discern rhetoric from reality—and respond with compassion and conviction.
We also discuss how churches and homeschool communities can address tough questions with both theological clarity and reliable evidence. From constitutional arguments to creation science insights on human development, this episode models how Christian apologetics can be taught in age-appropriate, hope-filled ways that strengthen faith and serve our neighbors.
Key Takeaways
- How a biblical worldview reframes “viability,” “privacy,” and personhood from conception.
- Practical ways Christian parents and educators can discuss abortion with truth and grace.
- Why Dobbs changed the legal landscape—and how Christians can engage at the state and local levels.
- How to integrate pro-life apologetics into homeschool curriculum and Christian education.
- Pastoral wisdom for discipling students who are processing difficult cultural debates.
Was Roe V. Wade a valid case? Learn more about how the evil abortion law took form, how it is being challenged, and how it may soon be overturned.
Today on Educate For Life Radio, Kevin talks with James Kaddis pastor of Calvary Chapel Signal Hill, CA. Pastor James Kaddis also served as a police chaplain and has a background in the area of theology, network engineering, computer forensics, and law. He is also considered an expert in the field of Computer Networking and Security, and has extensive experience working in that field with both law enforcement and other types of professional organizations.
Was Roe V. Wade a valid case? Learn more about how the evil abortion law took form, how it is being challenged, and how it may soon be overturned.
Today on Educate For Life Radio, Kevin talks with James Kaddis pastor of Calvary Chapel Signal Hill, CA. Pastor James Kaddis also served as a police chaplain and has a background in the area of theology, network engineering, computer forensics, and law. He is also considered an expert in the field of Computer Networking and Security, and has extensive experience working in that field with both law enforcement and other types of professional organizations.
This episode first aired on December 9, 2021. Educate For Life with Kevin Conover airs Saturdays at 12pm. Listen live on KPRZ.com and San Diego radio AM 1210.
How We Can Help You
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Here’s a short excerpt from the episode:
Kevin Conover: “When we teach Christian education with a robust biblical worldview, how should we address the culture’s shifting standard of ‘viability’?”
Pastor James Kaddis: “We start where Scripture starts—life is sacred because it’s made in God’s image from conception. That truth clarifies every legal and moral question.”
Kevin Conover: “Many parents ask how to bring this into homeschool curriculum without it feeling combative.”
Pastor James Kaddis: “Use compassion and facts. Pair apologetics with pastoral care—students need both truth and tenderness.”
Kevin Conover: “What changed with Dobbs, practically speaking, for churches and schools?”
Pastor James Kaddis: “Decisions moved closer to the states. That means our local discipleship and civic engagement really matter—train students to think and love well.”
Kevin Conover: “How can faith and science work together here?”
Pastor James Kaddis: “They agree that human life is wonderfully designed. Scientific development from conception supports what Scripture has always proclaimed.”
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[00:00:01] thanks for tuning in this evening you’re listening to educate for life with kevin conover i’m your host down here in southern california we’re broadcasting
[00:00:07] on k praise k praise 1 10 a.m uh down here in the studios up in utc uh salem
[00:00:13] studios and we’re going to be talking about roe versus wade this evening we’re going to talk about the case that just
[00:00:18] happened a huge court case uh has the potential to actually overturn roe versus wade incredible opportunity to
[00:00:24] change history really is what’s happening here and um really to put our country on the track in the right
[00:00:30] direction it’s ridiculous honestly um that we have had to deal with this for the amount of time that we have had
[00:00:36] we’re one of only seven countries in the world that allow abortion have the abortion support abortion the way we do
[00:00:43] um and it all has to do with this viability argument that came up a long time ago with roe versus wade and is the
[00:00:49] way that they justified abortion was whether the baby was viable outside of the womb or not as an argument for
[00:00:54] whether or not abortion was legitimate and um with us tonight is pastor james
[00:01:00] cadiz he’s with uh kevin chappell signal hill and uh he’s been studying this quite quite extensively he’s been in
[00:01:07] ministry for over 27 years up in uh the long beach uh california area and uh
[00:01:13] he’s got all kinds of credentials to be talking about this and he’s looked at it from the legal angles also pastor james
[00:01:18] thanks for being with us this evening glad i could be here kevin thank you so much it’s an honor yeah absolutely tell
[00:01:24] us a little bit about your background legally i know that your parents are actually from egypt so it’s really interesting um that
[00:01:31] you know you’ve looked at this and you’ve studied this uh give us your a little bit of your background and then um your
[00:01:37] analysis of roe versus wade what happened there so uh boy that’s a that’s a very loaded question so yeah you’re
[00:01:43] right my mom and my dad were both born and raised in egypt i’m first generation born into this country
[00:01:49] um and of course speak the language of my mother and father uh i have a pretty
[00:01:55] uh extensive background in understanding that culture obviously because i was raised in it not that of course i
[00:02:01] believe in any type of moral authority or uh wisdom for lack of a better term based
[00:02:07] on something that’s an immutable characteristic but you understand what i mean obviously understanding the
[00:02:12] cultures the background and so on and so forth uh so i was um raised by two very god-fearing parents
[00:02:20] parents that just love the lord uh didn’t really completely give my life to the lord until i was 16 years old i’ve
[00:02:26] been in the ministry now for almost 30 years i spent uh the the first part of
[00:02:31] my time in ministry at calvary chapel downey and uh then of
[00:02:37] course i’ve spent a longer time now at calvary chapel signal hill i’m the founding and senior pastor of that
[00:02:43] church um in the midst of that i have a pretty extensive background in um
[00:02:49] computers believe it or not i i have a background in technology uh matter of
[00:02:55] fact when i started calvary chapel signal hill i was the chief information officer of a local municipal police department here in southern california
[00:03:01] so i have a computer forensics background networking that kind of thing been involved in a lot of projects uh
[00:03:07] that you might be familiar with but we don’t have the time to go over and um and then of course i also do have uh my
[00:03:14] bible college degree and i also have a formal legal education uh never practiced a day in my life but
[00:03:20] i decided because the lord led me to uh to go ahead and get a legal education so
[00:03:26] um this type of stuff has always been very interesting to me um i think that when
[00:03:32] it comes to the row case i i will just simply tell you in my opinion um
[00:03:37] first of all i was shocked that this was a seven to two ruling by the supreme court i can tell you that right now
[00:03:43] because the case was garbage the case should have never been uh even given attention to it quite
[00:03:49] frankly when the case was actually ruled upon uh i think it’s a fair statement to say
[00:03:56] that the reason why it did not get a lot of noise and the kind of objection that it should have received from the rest of
[00:04:03] the community is because the very day it came out and i do think this may have been something that was satanically
[00:04:08] inspired i think this was may have been orchestrated by demons quite frankly uh we saw the death of a u.s president so
[00:04:15] on the very day this case was ruled upon a u.s president actually died not a sitting president of course but what’s
[00:04:22] even more interesting than that and uh i think what’s uh remarkable is to see how
[00:04:28] so many issues came out of the roe v wade case based on another garbage case
[00:04:35] which of course was casey versus planned parenthood so um since then people seem
[00:04:41] to think that the outcome of roe is really the law of the land when in reality it’s not
[00:04:47] the law of the land now there are some people that think that well it is because of a legal doctrine called starry decisis and the whole idea of uh
[00:04:55] legal precedent uh but the what the reality of it is is if you would analyze the case the way it should be analyzed i
[00:05:02] would argue that no real precedent was ever established from the initial case and i would go further to argue that the
[00:05:09] fact that the casey uh case actually they say was the real precedent establishing uh case is just a complete
[00:05:16] farce so um as we begin to look at this case that’s going on right now
[00:05:22] which of course is a case that i’ve been very excited about i was commenting on it from the very day it got filed well
[00:05:28] probably within a week of the time it got filed because i didn’t know the day got filed i found out about a week later uh dobbs versus jackson’s women health
[00:05:35] organization uh the attorney general of mississippi mr dobbs filed this case and
[00:05:40] um i got to tell you it i just from what i can see and from some
[00:05:46] of the analysis i’ve been doing in the reading i can tell you this case is going to overturn roe
[00:05:51] and it’s going to pretty much throw away uh the casey case and i also might want to make one other comment just so
[00:05:57] everybody understands uh the attorney general of the state of mississippi is not standing alone in the
[00:06:02] filing of this case okay i want you to understand that i want you to understand that almost immediately
[00:06:08] there were i want to say initially 19 other states that filed amicus briefs
[00:06:13] now for those in the audience that might not know what an amicus brief is it’s basically when uh you have a what we
[00:06:21] would call an interested party that is not necessarily attached to the case but somebody whose outcome could be
[00:06:29] dramatically affected by the uh by the plaintiffs uh case actually
[00:06:34] being passed and so what’s happened is and this is actually quite interesting is um
[00:06:40] there there were 19 other states that filed amicus briefs basically contending for the position of the mississippi’s uh
[00:06:50] attorney general and i should also make one of the case or one other statement although
[00:06:55] um this case was granted cert by the supreme court the mississippi case and
[00:07:00] when we say certain it’s short for sorority meaning the supreme court said we’ll hear this case it was granted cert
[00:07:07] based on a very specific and very uh localized uh context and it was
[00:07:14] basically the question on appeal was this phrase whether all pre-viability prohibitions on elective abortions are
[00:07:21] unconstitutional that’s the that is the very limited case although the vast
[00:07:26] majority of the new nearly two hours of argument considered not really the fundamental question about the uh
[00:07:33] constitutional right of abortion rather uh they argued over uh starry decisis uh which
[00:07:41] is is this a precedent setting case which is kind of interesting typically when the court the supreme court grants
[00:07:47] a particular case cert they develop the scope for what they’re going to argue and this has been so unusual in that
[00:07:53] they have been discussing it outside of the scope that they said that they would uh which is signaling to us that
[00:08:00] probably six of these um nine supreme court justices are going
[00:08:05] to rule in favor maybe actually seven maybe seven are going to rule in favor
[00:08:11] of uh the person who’s filing the case which of course is the state of mississippi so it’s very interesting to
[00:08:16] see what’s going on and i know that’s an earful yeah i thought i’d just get it out there all
[00:08:22] right now so everybody kind of you know sort of follows through here yeah there was a lot of information there a lot of things i’m really curious
[00:08:28] about what you what you said you know you said um roe versus wade is not necessarily the law of the land and um you know that’s
[00:08:34] news i think to a lot of people uh i was reading up on this uh 10 states
[00:08:39] currently have bans on abortion during the first trimester um but but the argument is well these laws can’t be
[00:08:46] enacted because of roe versus wade and of course if you got rid of roe versus way then the power goes back to the
[00:08:52] states so my question uh first question is is how is roe versus wade not the law
[00:08:57] of the land and if it isn’t the law of the land then why are these states not able to hold up the bans that they’ve
[00:09:02] already uh initiated yeah so this is a good question okay i think really the best thing to do is to kind of go over
[00:09:08] the facts right so when the uh roe versus wade case got filed and of course
[00:09:15] um i don’t know if anybody knows this but um when you use those names those are actually fictional names those
[00:09:21] aren’t the real names that were put in the in the case but because of the nature of the controversy um they were
[00:09:27] there to protect the identity of the plaintiff considering how unpopular abortion was in 1970 right so this is uh
[00:09:35] kind of an interesting thing and of course this is uh of course henry wade’s name is is the real name right uh it’s
[00:09:42] kind of an interesting thing but he was the district attorney of dallas county texas um and what’s interesting about
[00:09:48] the case was the case was filed in essence to uh deal with a particular one very
[00:09:55] particular or limiting scope right um and and i have a note here and i think this is probably the best way of putting
[00:10:01] it but basically um this was a a challenge to a texas law that made
[00:10:08] abortion illegal except by a doctor’s orders to save a woman’s life right so
[00:10:14] texas had this law for a long time hey you can’t abort a baby unless uh aborting the baby is the necessary
[00:10:21] component in order to save a mother’s life in birth which by the way here’s the funny uh statistic on that
[00:10:28] .003 of one percent doesn’t require uh that the life of the baby uh be
[00:10:35] terminated and in virtually all of those cases probably 95 of those cases uh the
[00:10:42] baby has already died so it’s kind of an interesting uh situation so um
[00:10:48] of course uh she stipulated in this lawsuit uh that they were
[00:10:53] unconstitutionally vague and that they abridged her right of personal privacy right so this was a personal
[00:11:00] privacy case and she claimed of course that this was protected by the first the fourth the fifth and ninth and the
[00:11:06] fourteenth amendment now i can just tell you this right now i don’t know where any such reasonable expectation of
[00:11:12] privacy is actually guaranteed in any of those amendments now i understand the the amendments that relate to the
[00:11:19] issuance of warrants and entering to the home of somebody i get that but when we’re talking about um the right to
[00:11:26] privacy you have a question fundamentally about the constitutionality of that statement
[00:11:31] number one and then you have another question that you have to ask yourself and that’s this uh assuming
[00:11:38] that there is a right to privacy per se let’s just say that right let’s just say the constitution guarantees a right to
[00:11:45] privacy it does not at all ever guarantee the right of a woman to murder
[00:11:51] her baby hmm yeah you can’t just do what you want in the privacy of your own home it doesn’t matter even if that was the case it
[00:11:58] doesn’t mean you can you can abuse a child in the privacy of your own home regardless if you have a you only have a
[00:12:03] pr right to privacy within limits you know whether between you and your doctor whatever the case might be correct and the argument
[00:12:10] that was made was uh very poorly uh put number one and then number two understand that when
[00:12:17] the case was actually ruled upon in favor of roe you have to understand that all
[00:12:24] that did was basically said that the texas case specifically related to her
[00:12:30] situation or the texas law specifically related to her situation was unconstitutional
[00:12:36] and the reality of it was is that it was not so so to give you the idea here is
[00:12:42] that the overruling of any laws stipulated as such was almost impossible
[00:12:48] to do case in point you said there are many states that actually uh virtually restrict abortion period right and so um
[00:12:56] again it wasn’t the law of the land now in order to make it the law of the land
[00:13:01] and claim that it was a constitutional right you would have to have an overwhelming actually i
[00:13:08] think it’s a majority rule that would have to be matter of fact i think i’d have to go back and look it would have to be
[00:13:13] unanimous in order to be able to create the uh condition necessary to change or make
[00:13:20] a constitutional amendment except for one major problem even if you claimed you could make that constitutional
[00:13:26] amendment and this is a very important thing to also keep in mind that constitutional amendment would
[00:13:31] never be able to work because you can’t make a constitutional amendment that
[00:13:36] actually throws away the fundamental amendments uh specifically as they relate to certain rights being afforded
[00:13:43] to a person right for example um we know uh the right to free speech uh those
[00:13:49] types of things uh the right to defend yourself uh you know the second amendment there’s different things like
[00:13:55] that that would actually encroach upon what would happen because then the argument has to be made is the baby
[00:14:02] a citizen you know in other words this is why they’re talking about viability here if
[00:14:08] the baby that is in the womb is a citizen within that citizen is due the rights
[00:14:13] uh afford it to them with respect to protection my government and the government should not be allowed to make a law that does this that’s why the hard
[00:14:21] left in this country has gone out of their way to continue to uh uh uphold the legal doctrine of
[00:14:28] starry decisis as it relates to the casey case and the roe case because what
[00:14:33] they’re in essence trying to do is they’re trying to gaslight for lack of a better term in being able to say it’s
[00:14:40] the law of the land because of the stipulation of the seven judges that ruled in the supreme court case with
[00:14:46] respect to roe um and then they think they they’ve got that all won because they say casey versus planned parenthood
[00:14:52] is a case that anes has cemented that well all it did was cement garbage uh into play right that’s all it did it
[00:14:58] didn’t really do anything other than simply prove the point that if we allow it to stand on its own ugly feet then
[00:15:05] it’s gonna fall yeah and this this um i was reading the aclj has been really involved in all
[00:15:11] this also and as you know and um just quoting from one
[00:15:17] of the articles written here it says central to the unjust mistaken ruling in rov was the question of viability in
[00:15:22] that decision if an unborn child was considered viable outside the womb an abortion ban could potentially be
[00:15:27] considered constitutionally sound this half measure offered by justice blackmon which prohibited nearly any restrictions
[00:15:34] on abortions executed prior to the vaguely defined point of viability was always misguided and wholly ignorant of
[00:15:40] a fundamental truth that human life begins at conception with no exception can you talk a little bit more about
[00:15:47] what it means for our listeners to what the whole point of viability outside of the womb
[00:15:53] and and what the problem with that is um what are your thoughts on that so this is very uh we don’t have the time to
[00:16:00] talk about it at length the way uh we could because i could literally spend five hours talking about this very
[00:16:07] issue yeah uh the discussion of viability which by the way the reason why blackman is being mentioned is
[00:16:12] because he is the judge that actually wrote the opinion representing the majority okay um and um basically the
[00:16:20] discussion uh was actually in my opinion i think it was uh insane right i think
[00:16:26] some of the things that were actually written um were were pretty crazy right so a lot of it was a discussion around
[00:16:33] the duplo the due process clause of the 14th amendment um which they say
[00:16:39] protects uh the the any action by the state that would
[00:16:44] violate the right to privacy okay so again we’re we’re limiting very much the scope of
[00:16:51] where this reaches and they’re talking a lot about this and then they say well therefore a baby uh should be able to
[00:16:58] uh uh be aborted by their mother because of her privacy rights and it’s actually quite sad that that’s the case but it’s
[00:17:06] it’s it’s kind of i mean it’s been the satanic lie that’s existed for so long and none of it has
[00:17:13] actually made any kind of sense probably a better way to put this is they they talked
[00:17:19] about um the although the state has this is what um the the presiding judge actually said
[00:17:27] judge blackburn in his opinion he basically said that um when it as it refers to this due process
[00:17:34] clause he actually said the due process clause of the 14 amendment protects against state action uh to the right of
[00:17:40] privacy and a woman’s right to choose to have an abortion falls within that right to privacy which is a completely
[00:17:47] messed up thing to say i don’t agree with that uh one bit he goes on to say that although the state has legitimate
[00:17:55] interest in protecting the health of uh pregnant women and the potentiality of
[00:18:01] human life the relative weight of each of these interests varies over the course of the pregnancy and the law must
[00:18:08] account for this variability so in essence what he’s saying is if i have a baby right now in my womb and i am two
[00:18:15] weeks pregnant then my interest my desires as a mother far outweighs the
[00:18:21] rights of this baby or this baby’s interest because this baby is not technically viable now
[00:18:27] that argument was faulty from the very beginning uh substantially faulty and didn’t require science to be able to
[00:18:34] disprove that right now viability shouldn’t even be a discussion because i mean we have surgeons that are doing uh
[00:18:40] in neural surgeries i mean they’re they’re operating on fetuses while those fetuses that’s what they call them
[00:18:46] fetuses those babies while they’re inside the womb of them of their mother and they’re doing it very very early on
[00:18:53] three months into pregnancy in some cases so um it’s it’s it’s a very faulty
[00:19:00] way of thinking and when you talk about the potentiality of human life those are made-up terms right those are yeah those
[00:19:06] are activist terms what do you mean the potentiality of human life if a woman carries the baby to term uh then the
[00:19:13] baby’s dependence upon the mother the relationship of dependence uh with the mother changes but it’s still the same
[00:19:20] thing think about it like this okay when a baby is in the mother’s womb the baby gets everything it needs based on the
[00:19:26] actions of the mother right the mother eats she nourishes herself she takes care of her body the baby is in essence
[00:19:33] being fed the baby is growing the baby’s in a protected environment as she’s in the womb of her mother um all of that
[00:19:39] goes but then when the mother has the baby nothing changes
[00:19:44] the dependency that the baby has upon her mother is not i mean it becomes far
[00:19:49] more significant than it did when that baby was in the mother’s womb the the point is is the the viability of the
[00:19:55] baby has always been the same the difference is is that when the baby is born the baby becomes more dependent not
[00:20:01] less dependent upon the mother more dependent uh because if you were to walk away from a baby once you gave birth to
[00:20:07] the baby the baby’s dead so so the reality of it is is the argument based on viability or uh
[00:20:14] potentiality as he would state potentiality of life i actually think that uh
[00:20:20] that was it just i think it was just a demonic and that’s crazy and that’s the crux of
[00:20:26] the issue isn’t it that the the crux of the issue really here is is the whole viability argument and really
[00:20:32] the the argument is whether the significance of the baby being a human life is more important at
[00:20:39] conception than it is whether the baby is viable or not and the via the viability issue was really just a smoke
[00:20:45] screen to try to get away with being able to get rid of something you don’t want get rid of a baby that you don’t
[00:20:51] want um because that was grasping for straws or looking for some sort of angle to be able to say hey
[00:20:58] this is not really like you were saying i put a full human this is a potential human not a fuel full human because it’s
[00:21:04] only so many weeks or whatever the case well and they contradict themselves substantially because what came out of
[00:21:10] that case was the understanding or the idea that in the third trimester once
[00:21:16] the fetus reaches the point of what they call viability and by the way viability is determined on what they were able to
[00:21:23] see and identify based on the imaging available to them at that time right so
[00:21:30] i can think about it like this i can by the way that was also loosely defined because they there are some people who
[00:21:36] do not look at it that way and they say that the precedent that is set in the case relates all about all to the
[00:21:42] mother’s right to privacy and that it’s nobody’s business and that she should be able to kill her baby yet if i am in any
[00:21:48] state of the union any state at all and i assault a pregnant woman who intended
[00:21:53] to carry her baby or didn’t intend to carry her baby let’s say that she planned an abortion three weeks later
[00:21:58] and um and i assaulted her three weeks before she had the abortion and the baby died i would be sentenced to murder
[00:22:05] for murder i would be sentenced to death in some cases yeah right so it’s completely it’s
[00:22:11] completely hypocritical and contradictory uh the laws are really to the point where uh somebody is just
[00:22:17] manipulating things to get what they want it’s not really about objective fact um i was reading this also it’s we
[00:22:23] are one of seven countries that allow abortions after 20 weeks in europe the european court of human rights actually
[00:22:29] recognizes the life of the baby as a competing interest they actually require that you balance that you balance the
[00:22:35] baby’s life with the choices of the mother and this is i’m quoting here and we don’t do that in the united states in
[00:22:40] fact they were arguing basically the rights of the mother just absolutely trumped the rights of the baby and uh
[00:22:46] it’s a shame to me that um here we are a country that to a large degree um has embraced uh
[00:22:52] christianity and and god in the bible although we’ve we’ve pushed that away um you know we’ve been pushing it away but
[00:22:59] but the fact of the matter is is that how is it possible that out of all the countries in the world uh we are
[00:23:05] included with china and countries that have literally no human rights because
[00:23:10] they’re atheistic and yet here we are allowing this to go on it’s it’s stunning well and it’s amazing to me because when
[00:23:16] the discussion becomes about the imposition of the rights of the woman it’s a complete diversionary tactic to
[00:23:24] the real issue that they should have been discussing from the very beginning right because when you talk about rights
[00:23:29] what are you talking about are you talking about the right to be able to dispose of your child because of the
[00:23:35] fact that you’re being inconvenienced that doesn’t matter that that see those are the issues that they’re completely
[00:23:41] ignoring for the sake of being able to develop the so-called right to destroy a
[00:23:48] baby’s life irregardless of what their actual viability might actually be so um
[00:23:53] and by the way i i i think it should be understood here uh anybody who understood medical
[00:24:00] science even back then during the time of roe would understand this simple principle viability shouldn’t even be a
[00:24:07] question if it was a question then why are we practicing in vitro verbalization
[00:24:12] yeah why are we we’re viewing those things as we’re treating sperm we’re treating eggs we’re looking
[00:24:20] at this we’re looking at it as though it’s human life because it is conception when you
[00:24:26] the definition of human life is at conception right and of course we know the biblical definition of human life uh
[00:24:33] even transcends that the definition of human life according to the bible is god
[00:24:38] in his own heart who actually before uh we were in our mother’s womb
[00:24:44] he put us here right so this is uh this is a very different uh situation and of
[00:24:50] course what they call the law of the land never was the law of the land but based on uh these uh legal doctrines
[00:24:56] that have been very misused uh they’ve always pretty much said that according to the federal
[00:25:02] standard um if you’re in the first trimester of pregnancy a state is not allowed to regulate whether or not
[00:25:08] abortion can happen they have some right as it gets into the second trimester uh but a lot of that is they’re working
[00:25:15] very hard to remove that and uh and then basically saying that it’s still up to the states in the third trimester but
[00:25:21] they’re changing the definition of what the third trimester is that’s why we’re getting all of this uh um really ugly uh
[00:25:30] laws that are coming forth uh with respect to um partial birth abortion and actually post
[00:25:37] bor uh post birth abortion which is disgusting that’s crazy that’s that’s scary stuff yeah i i was just reading
[00:25:44] recently too that uh gavin newsom uh recently came out arguing that um he’s gonna try to make it easier for people
[00:25:50] to come to california in order to have abortions in california for in cases like this where if the
[00:25:55] supreme court does overturn roe versus wade and it’s pushed back to the states that they’re going to be some states
[00:26:00] that still allow abortion then there’s going to be other states that don’t and uh he wants to make it easier to try to
[00:26:06] allow more abortions here in california yeah because he’s a stone cold killer and we’ve always known that um he is
[00:26:13] truly uh an evil man he’s a guy that absolutely has no right
[00:26:19] to be able to stand as the governor he doesn’t believe in the very words he preaches he’s part of the ruling class
[00:26:25] that continues to create all kinds of laws and stipulations hey you put on the mask but i won’t uh you know all of
[00:26:32] these types of things and then to go on is he’s a full-blown dishonest liar and
[00:26:38] i would be i’ve stood ten feet away from him i’ve preached the gospel in front of him at law enforcement memorials and and
[00:26:44] i will tell you this right now he’s a very dark man you can look inside uh
[00:26:50] through you could just sense the darkness in his soul and the reality of it is is he’s doing it because he just
[00:26:56] wants to continue to be able to enjoy the comforts of what the ruling class enjoys in this country but he has no
[00:27:03] regard for the law never has had a regard for the law and i think eventually what is going to happen is
[00:27:08] californians are going to get really sick of it and um you know i thought for sure he was going to be recalled in this
[00:27:14] recall election but forgive me for saying this i know i’m going to get myself in trouble by some people for saying this but i don’t blame anybody
[00:27:20] except the pastors of these churches these cowardly spineless pastors that continue to give into the woke
[00:27:26] industrial complex where they’re more concerned about the rights of somebody
[00:27:31] that even the people who make the arguments for are not really concerned about right they make up all of these
[00:27:36] laws they make up these lies about police officers that are completely not true um and and people are just
[00:27:43] believing it and yet these cowards who will not open up their churches while all of this stuff was going on these
[00:27:50] same cowards will go ahead and march for george floyd with a bunch of other people and now these same cowards are
[00:27:55] asking people to repent because they’re white now my mom and my dad were both born and raised in an african country
[00:28:01] that is egypt now some people call it middle eastern but it’s an african country not that i’m seeking to uh
[00:28:08] indulge myself in the doctrine of intersectionality or critical race theory and say that my moral authority
[00:28:14] is based on an immutable characteristic but i am simply saying as a person whose mother and father immigrated from egypt
[00:28:21] into the greatest country into the world the greatest country in the world this is the most hardcore racism i have
[00:28:27] ever seen and i hate to say it but the pastors who are standing from the pulpit and are not calling out what they should
[00:28:33] be calling out they’re the ones that have the blood on their hands and they’re the ones that should be educating their churches as into what
[00:28:39] the truth is and that’s the reality of everything that we face and when we come and we talk about these things if we
[00:28:45] were vocal about this let’s just talk about this the biggest issue that we are dealing with right now is not the fact
[00:28:52] that law enforcement officers are hunting down black people that’s a complete lie when you look at the stats
[00:28:57] from last year let me just explain this to you and this is very very important law enforcement officers last year made
[00:29:03] contact with 385 385 million times they made contact with citizens in this
[00:29:09] country of the 385 million times there was a thousand officer-involved
[00:29:14] shootings of the thousand officer-involved shootings there were somewhere in the neighborhood
[00:29:20] of i want to say 40 deaths right and we’re talking about of that we’re talking about unarmed right of the 40
[00:29:27] think about this for a second of the 40 that uh involved those deaths from people that were supposedly unarmed
[00:29:33] think about this for a second nine were black 19 were white so nine were black and of
[00:29:40] the nine that were black six of them attempted to go for the weapon of the
[00:29:45] police officer and three of those six were caught literally literally caught
[00:29:50] on tape so don’t you dare in the name of anybody say that hey we have a racist
[00:29:56] problem in this country no we actually have a serious serious civil rights problem i promise you the greatest civil
[00:30:02] rights problem of our time right now is the fact that three percent this is not a lie three percent of the
[00:30:10] child-bearing population in this country three percent are black women and yet they account for
[00:30:16] 50 of the babies that are dying through abortion if you want to fight for civil rights and the civil rights of black
[00:30:22] people why don’t you fight for the 1500 babies that are being killed every single day and no matter what you say
[00:30:29] that’s the reality of it that’s the reality and that’s a genocide i mean that’s a genocide right there
[00:30:34] we need to yeah that’s from the devil i mean it’s a it’s a mastermind the devil has masterminded this whole thing and
[00:30:41] basically just uh tricked people into you know it’s like going to the doctor when you’ve got a broken leg and then
[00:30:46] the doctor trying to fix your arm or something you’ve got totally the wrong they’re they’re they’ve got the wrong diagnosis here they’re pursuing the
[00:30:53] wrong thing and nothing’s going to get fixed if we keep focusing on the wrong things it’s awful uh but but uh god’s working god’s doing
[00:31:00] things i can tell um we are our private school has went from a thousand to sixteen hundred in the past year and a
[00:31:07] half simply because of the amount of families that are like get me out of these public schools which are
[00:31:12] teaching all this garbage and so um we just gotta expand these these opportunities for families to get their
[00:31:18] kids in a god-fearing uh environment where they can really learn about the lord and biblical worldview so uh but
[00:31:25] but um it’s you know we need pastors like you and and others who are standing up and and shouting it out loud and not
[00:31:31] afraid to to take some of the heat so that’s awesome yeah and i think it’s important because
[00:31:36] if we really care about the people that we minister to and we care about the people we love then we’re going to stand up for the truth and the bottom line is
[00:31:43] is uh right now we are seeing a massive lie being propagated all over uh the
[00:31:50] world and people are believing it they are believing in this lie they are believing the mechanism of globalism
[00:31:56] that is driving this uh uh the direction of this nation they are believing in the
[00:32:02] lies of the biden regime they believe in the fact that hey well i’m a democrat which basically means and sorry if
[00:32:08] people think i’m getting too political i’m not i’m just simply speaking the truth and politics always emanate from
[00:32:14] the pulpit it’s the pulpits of this country that actually determine where politics go and the reality of it is if
[00:32:20] you really want to fight for civil rights and you want to fight against racism well then you should run away
[00:32:25] from the most racist party in the world and that’s the democratic party understand this understand if you go
[00:32:32] right now and you type in the word antifa into your web browser it’ll take
[00:32:37] you straight to the white house wow so when we when i’ll do it do it you could do it right in front of me you’ll
[00:32:42] be blown away if you do it as a matter of fact honestly when you begin to go into it understand the kkk was the
[00:32:49] enforcement arm of the democratic party when the republican party was started it was started as an anti-abolition
[00:32:56] movement it was started to end slavery not that i’m defending the republicans because there’s a lot of clowns in the republican party that are doing a lot of
[00:33:03] evils and actually need to get uh repudiated from their position but my point is this my point is we need more
[00:33:09] people that will stand up for truth we need more people that will say this is the way it is our church has been open
[00:33:16] from the very beginning and um we’ve basically made it clear we’re not going to allow a virus
[00:33:22] to cause us to be fearful of what’s gone on i just recently and not that i don’t
[00:33:28] mind i don’t mind saying this but i just recently uh had this mess and i don’t know if we’re on other social media so i
[00:33:34] have to be careful uh you know because i don’t want to get you ripped off of your social media site but um i’m doing just
[00:33:40] fine i’m the guy that has every comorbidity that they say you can have and by god’s grace um i got treatment
[00:33:47] that they say doesn’t work right and i refuse to be vaccinated i’ll just
[00:33:52] leave that alone right i’m just i’m just saying that right but the bottom line is this the bottom line is um there’s a lot
[00:33:59] of lying going on right now there’s a lot of people not telling the truth yeah well man i i mean i i appreciate so much
[00:34:05] what you’re doing and um it’s funny because i’ve had so many different guests on that that um agree with you
[00:34:10] and that are so passionate mason weaver i had on just recently i don’t know if you know him he’s a former black panther
[00:34:15] a former democrat and he just comes out and says exactly what you just said he says uh the pastors are not doing what
[00:34:22] they’re supposed to be doing he says it’s a it’s all a total lie uh and he is
[00:34:27] hardcore like to slam in the democrat party um his books like that and just so
[00:34:33] that message is i think that any and i asked him i said hey is this is this making a difference are we making a difference here and he said absolutely
[00:34:39] people are changing their minds and so i think you know the more we speak up god works god moves and um and we just have
[00:34:46] to keep spreading that message we keep have to keep spreading the word so yeah i agree with you wholeheartedly and
[00:34:51] there’s a lot of darkness out there and we need to shed the light and i think uh
[00:34:56] these men that are running around to people of color that are pastors and they’re saying please we want to hear
[00:35:02] you we want to know what you have to say they need to shut their mouths for a moment they need to repent from what
[00:35:07] they’re doing and they need to go to the holy spirit and say we need you right now i want to hear what you have to say how do you want me to run this thing
[00:35:14] because we are surrounded by deeply dark people who have no desire or care to
[00:35:20] want to do the right thing and we need to call them out for what they actually are and people that are even being called heroes are people that belong in
[00:35:27] federal prison like the great doctor if you know what i mean i mean the whole point is i’m talking about yeah i know you’re
[00:35:33] talking about doctor good old anthony that’s right he’s a deeply dark demonically inspired person and we need
[00:35:40] to call it for what it is and i think that if the if the pastors were willing to stand up for truth and speak about
[00:35:47] these things and encourage the body of christ not only would the body of christ be growing locally in their churches
[00:35:53] but you would stand you would watch their the the standing that’s going on for liberty change the
[00:36:00] culture you would you would amen amen well uh thanks so much uh pastor james
[00:36:07] uh uh if you just tuned in uh pastor james kadis is my guest this evening and um he’s up at uh calvary chapel signal
[00:36:14] point if you’re in long beach please go to town and check it out and um all over the world too
[00:36:19] i’m sorry signal hill sorry about that sir yes sir and uh he’s also all over the world um
[00:36:24] on the radio so uh and all over youtube so uh please uh stay informed uh you
[00:36:30] need to listen to people that know what they’re talking about and are and and know how to argue against um what the
[00:36:35] devil’s setting up right we’re meant to demolish arguments that set themselves up against the knowledge of god and that’s our goal so um you can check out
[00:36:42] my my website educate4life.org we got all kinds of resources on there for you and we also will be back next week with
[00:36:48] tim chaffee we’ll be talking about a lot of the same issues that we’re dealing with here this is really what what we need to be
[00:36:54] talking about and really get informed about so come back next week educate for life.org
[00:36:59] again as my website and uh pastor james thank you so much for coming on the air i really appreciate you thank you so
[00:37:04] much god bless you bro and keep fighting a good fight amen okay have a great night
[00:37:29] you
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The conversation around Roe and Dobbs isn’t merely political—it’s profoundly pastoral. As we train students to love God and neighbor, we must pair biblical clarity with Christlike compassion. Dive deeper with this episode, and use the resources above to strengthen your family, class, or small group for thoughtful, gospel-centered engagement.







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