Government Tyranny Disguised as Equality —  with Mark Schneider

[00:00:00] thanks for tuning in this is kevin conover i’m your host on educate for life radio and we are broadcasting down here in

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[00:01:33] we’ve got our guest mark schneider and let me tell you a little bit about him

[00:01:38] mark is a native californian and uh for good or for good or for uh bad right um he spent

[00:01:44] most of his career in silicon valley serving as a corporate council and in executive positions at technology

[00:01:51] companies uh before going into practical uh private practice as a patent litigator

[00:01:56] and um what charged him up or got him involved in in um

[00:02:02] being salt and light to the community around him was what happened with proposition 8 if

[00:02:07] you were around during that time you know that was a very very uh intense situation in california where

[00:02:14] they were battling over same-sex marriage 70 of californians voted to keep

[00:02:19] marriage as one man and one woman but through a variety of circumstances

[00:02:25] that ended up falling apart and mark founded a salt and light ministry

[00:02:30] his background is he has a bachelor of science in electrical and electronics engineering from california polytechnic university

[00:02:36] and a juris doctorate from trinity law school and uh mark thanks so much for being on the program today kevin it’s so good to be

[00:02:43] on your program thank you for hosting us absolutely and uh you know what’s interesting to me because

[00:02:50] you know your background doesn’t necessarily lend itself to an immediate

[00:02:55] uh interest in you know something like getting involved with uh dialoguing and debating over

[00:03:01] critical race theory or dealing with with hr5 and the equality act and these sorts of things

[00:03:07] but um sometimes uh god calls us out of what we’re doing and says i want you to be involved in making a

[00:03:14] difference here give us your background how did you end up starting protect our kids now and uh what happened there

[00:03:20] well yeah thank you for the introduction uh well it was really a result of being involved in the salt and light ministry

[00:03:26] at the local church that i attend and i started the salt and light ministry as you mentioned

[00:03:31] during around the time when proposition 8 which was the battle in california to retain

[00:03:36] traditional marriage between one man and one woman and so we just decided uh as a result of

[00:03:43] that fight that we needed to start a formal group around being identifying as being salt

[00:03:48] and light in the culture as believers so that ministry that ministry took off

[00:03:54] around 2008 and during that time and as a result of that ministry we just kept

[00:03:59] abreast and and kept learning about the laws that were being passed in california that

[00:04:05] were undermining not only our culture but even more ominously kevin our children

[00:04:10] in the public school system and it didn’t take a lot of investigation to find out that this is not a recent thing

[00:04:16] it actually goes back to uh 1999 in the the gray davis administration

[00:04:22] and uh it started there where teachers were allowed to proclaim their lgbt status

[00:04:28] in the classroom a few years later in 2004 arnold schwarzenegger was as you know

[00:04:34] was a republican our education code was changed to change the definition of

[00:04:39] gender to be one’s perceived gender rather rather than once biological sex

[00:04:45] it wasn’t many years after that that sb 48 was passed which required students to learn to

[00:04:52] admire the contributions specifically of lgbt people who identify with the lgbt

[00:04:59] community and that was followed i think in 2014 by the famous bathroom bill

[00:05:05] assembly bill 1266 which opened up our locker rooms

[00:05:10] kids bathrooms uh to children who identified with the opposite sex and all these

[00:05:15] culminated in what we now know is assembly bill 329 or the california healthy youth act

[00:05:23] which requires that comprehensive sexuality education be taught starting in middle school all the way

[00:05:30] through 12th grade but it may also be taught and many public schools are

[00:05:35] starting in kindergarten so we just became incensed with the threats

[00:05:42] to our children and around that same time i started finding out about other

[00:05:48] grassroots organizations that had just started up and that’s when george pastor george

[00:05:54] rosca and myself became close friends and we decided together that we needed to start

[00:06:00] a formal organization which we now call protect our kids to alert to educate and alert parents

[00:06:08] as to the dangers to their children in the public school system so we we started about two years ago um

[00:06:15] before the the virus locked it down we had put on 13 conferences across the

[00:06:20] state of california some of them were you know maybe a few hundred people others drew well over a thousand um we’ve hosted

[00:06:28] videos we write papers we have a blog post we have a very robust website and um

[00:06:35] so that’s that’s kind of the short history of how protect our kids came about

[00:06:40] that’s fantastic and i know um salt and light ministries uh i believe that was actually started down here in southern

[00:06:46] california and now they’re all over the country uh if you’re listening and you have a

[00:06:51] passion for being salt and light obviously that’s drawn from scriptures where christ is asking us to be salt and light to the

[00:06:59] world that’s an opportunity you can look into uh all you have to do is look that up

[00:07:05] and um you can actually start your own chapter of that that ministry and um so mark

[00:07:11] uh you know with all the changes that are happening sometimes i think people feel a little bit overwhelmed you know

[00:07:19] uh with dealing with all these different issues and now we’ve got the equality act coming up here give us the background on the equality

[00:07:25] act and why that’s such a why it’s such a danger um to christians

[00:07:31] and to religious freedom and so forth yeah thank you kevin well the equality act has been around in some form for

[00:07:37] about over 20 years i think but it has been consistently denied in the congress

[00:07:44] by virtue of the fact that it is so radical this is probably the most pernicious

[00:07:50] piece of legislation in american history i was shocked

[00:07:55] in 2015 when the obergefell case was passed that legitimized and federalized same-sex

[00:08:01] marriage across the uh across the nation this is even worse than the

[00:08:07] obergefell decision in effect it would change the social contract that

[00:08:14] americans have with each other and that they have with their gender and what they have with it with their

[00:08:19] government in essence it changes the definition of sex

[00:08:24] or includes in the definition of sex sexual orientation and gender identity

[00:08:32] across the panoply of all our civil rights laws so

[00:08:39] in the in the boss stock versus clayton county decision that happened under ironically that decision was

[00:08:45] written by neil gorsuch justice neil gorsuch an ostensible conservative on the court

[00:08:51] yeah and and that ended that ended sex discrimination based on sexual orientation gender identity in

[00:08:58] employment law but the equality act would take this a huge

[00:09:03] step forward and basically write it into all our civil rights laws so i have two questions here uh

[00:09:10] mark about this my first question is you know neil gorsuch like you said he’s a conservative judge

[00:09:16] um so why would he do this what what’s going through what was the argument that persuaded him that this was something

[00:09:22] that needed to happen in employment law that all of a sudden we are now protecting

[00:09:27] the idea that a man can perceive himself as a woman what happened there well it’s hard to

[00:09:32] get into somebody’s head and and try to figure out what they were thinking when they came to these

[00:09:38] rationalizations but uh judge gorsuch uh fancies himself as a textualist

[00:09:44] so he looked at the word sex and uh it’s a very convoluted and

[00:09:49] complicated reasoning but if you read the decision that he actually wrote in that word he said well sexual sexual

[00:09:56] orientation is involved with sex right it’s it’s attached to the word sex

[00:10:02] as is gender identity and it was pretty much as simple as that and he put together

[00:10:08] some thought experiments which which led him to the conclusion that we needed to include this in the

[00:10:13] definition of sex but there’s a part of me kevin that really believes that because he was so

[00:10:19] new on the bench and this was one of the first decisions if not the first decision that he

[00:10:24] actually authored in the opinion that he wanted to character characterize himself as not a rigid

[00:10:31] conservative he wanted to bend over to be seen as sort of even-handed on the court

[00:10:37] so that’s just my uh my perception i can’t know for sure but that’s how the decision reads yeah i

[00:10:45] just find that astonishing because what essentially you’re saying right now what hr uh hr5 does is it

[00:10:52] actually takes it just from the workplace and it essentially establish it as

[00:10:58] as almost a reality it’s like saying we’re changing what reality is for everybody the the law now revolves

[00:11:06] around the idea that a person’s perception of reality takes precedence over what is

[00:11:12] actual reality is that am i hearing that right well that’s that’s completely fair in fact it’s a repudiation of reality

[00:11:19] itself a complete distortion of reality and this bill would implement it throughout society

[00:11:26] i mean it it you know it’s going to be long all public accommodations so we’re talking

[00:11:31] about any institution that provides goods and services or programs now what kinds of

[00:11:38] institutions besides stores and retail outlets and corporations provide programs

[00:11:44] well certainly churches do and community centers and charities and foster agencies and

[00:11:51] adoption agencies all provide programs so they would have to abide

[00:11:56] by this law as would public education anything that receives federal funding

[00:12:02] employment law housing juries the list is endless this would sweep the

[00:12:10] nation and it’s not only the soji that is being involved in the definition of sex

[00:12:16] but the word sex itself now is taken on new meaning in the law it’s actually defined as sex

[00:12:25] stereotypes pregnancy childbirth or other related conditions that’s what the

[00:12:31] meaning of sex is now in this in this new law yeah this is a this is a typical tactic of um if you want to call

[00:12:39] of either the devil or or anybody who wants to confuse the issues and uh win an argument i you know when when

[00:12:46] kids will often do this you know change the subject in order to try to get their way in in logic it’s called

[00:12:51] equivocation where you start changing the definition of words to essentially confuse the issue

[00:12:56] but um i want to share with our listeners you know uh you probably are familiar that this

[00:13:01] is not a hypothetical um in philadelphia they actually shut down a catholic social services uh

[00:13:08] charity that was placing foster children because they would not redefine

[00:13:14] um they would not allow same-sex couples to adopt children and

[00:13:20] in the same way what’s happening here is as a religious organization if you don’t agree

[00:13:25] if you don’t kowtow down to hr5 you have the ability you have the

[00:13:31] potential to be fined to lose rights to and and like mark is saying this isn’t just in the

[00:13:37] the workplace anymore this is this is everywhere because this is taking it i mean

[00:13:42] mark we live in california so for us this is already a reality in california we already have essentially a hr5 but

[00:13:50] this is now taking it to a federal level that it applies everywhere that’s right kevin and the other things

[00:13:56] that your viewers should know about is that the religious freedom and restoration act which was

[00:14:02] uh it became law in 1993 and it was actually sponsored by chuck schumer of all people and that law

[00:14:10] passed unanimously in the house of representatives it won overwhelmingly and the the riffra was to preserve the

[00:14:18] rights of our first amendment regarding the free exercise provision it brought back the government’s need to come up

[00:14:25] with a compelling reason that is narrowly tailored if they’re going to infringe

[00:14:30] upon someone’s religious rights of free exercise well the equality act

[00:14:36] specifically disclaims rifra as a defense against its provisions so if you’re a

[00:14:44] church um if you’re a place of employment and you have biblical policies on the books

[00:14:50] that you want to abide by you cannot use riffra as a defense against this law so this is

[00:14:57] particularly onerous that’s bizarre because i mean riffra actually speaks in direct contradiction

[00:15:04] to uh hr5 how how can you say okay you guys can make your case against

[00:15:09] what we’re saying but not with this uh law that’s already been passed over here right i mean that’s that’s bizarre well it’s

[00:15:16] ironic that riffra even needed to be passed i mean this was 1993 we already have a first amendment you know riffer is not part of

[00:15:22] the constitution the first amendment is in fact it’s a first among equals among our bill of rights

[00:15:28] nevertheless it had been attacked year over year after year and ironically kevin um the need for riffer came about um

[00:15:36] because of an opinion regarding oregon versus smith the justice

[00:15:41] alito actually wrote the opinion on much to our chagrin where he ruled that any law of general

[00:15:49] applicability overrules the first amendment rights of free exercise

[00:15:54] so riffra was an attempt aside from writing a constitutional amendment to

[00:16:00] bring back a sane approach to preserving people’s freedoms but it’s a statute on the books and if

[00:16:07] the equality act is passed then no one could claim riffra as a defense to uh

[00:16:12] to the equality x claims well that you know um what you just said there i’ve never heard that before

[00:16:17] um can you repeat that what you talked about with uh justice toledo and what uh why there was a need to even

[00:16:25] have riffraff passed regarding the first amendment yeah it goes back to employment law

[00:16:30] of oregon versus smith and this was this was a case um uh i can’t remember the specifics of

[00:16:36] the case but the ruling basically said that any law that is passed

[00:16:41] that has general applicability in other words it doesn’t just affect the free exercise or religious rights

[00:16:47] but it affects everybody under the law and it had to do with employment um then the first amendment is really no

[00:16:54] defense against that this the law has to be um implemented so riffra and that’s caused

[00:17:02] all kinds of problems over the years well that’s bizarre they’re they’re essentially saying that in some circumstances

[00:17:08] you can’t claim the first amendment that’s exactly right yeah the free exercise clause specifically yeah the free exercise of

[00:17:15] religion and so forth so what what um under what circumstances would

[00:17:20] would that have been the case well any anything employment law is a great example so if

[00:17:26] you’re writing an employment law like the equality act where you’re disclaiming discrimination based on

[00:17:32] sexual orientation and and if it affects a church and a church has a biblical policies for

[00:17:38] hiring for people that are working for it uh for not performing same-sex marriages if it’s seen as a law

[00:17:47] of general applicability you can imagine that a liberal court would say no we have

[00:17:53] um uh our opinion in the smith case therefore uh you’re not gonna be able to preserve

[00:17:59] your biblical rights in this instance so riffer going back to 1993 was an

[00:18:04] attempt to bring back um what the old thinking was regarding the first amendment that

[00:18:11] there are some occasions where the government might need to step in and curtail constitutional rights but in

[00:18:18] order to do so it had to have a very compelling interest and the remedy had to be very

[00:18:24] narrowly tailored to accomplish what the government was trying to do it’s called strict scrutiny and it’s the

[00:18:31] highest protection that the people have to preserve their constitutional rights well the smith

[00:18:38] case really whittled that down with regard to free exercise and riffer was an attempt to

[00:18:43] bring that back but again if the equality act is passed that it pretty much goes away so this

[00:18:50] this is basically saying that if you’re a organization that has a any sort of faith-based

[00:18:56] beliefs for example a church and you believe that there’s one man and one you know

[00:19:02] there are two sexes there’s a man and a woman and a man is a man and a woman as a woman biologically that’s what they are

[00:19:08] that if you believe that uh essentially you are violating uh the law in your

[00:19:15] belief and that you can then be

[00:19:20] you know whatever find or whatever i mean this is almost like thought control uh it’s it that’s i mean it it

[00:19:29] essentially limits our religion to something

[00:19:35] you have to think but never act on it’s a direct attack on the biblical worldview i i don’t think there’s any

[00:19:42] question about that and it goes far beyond a church’s ability to to practice their faith i

[00:19:48] mean this affects basically everything you can imagine in our society imagine a man who identifies as a woman

[00:19:56] walking into a battered woman’s shelter right these are women who are being

[00:20:02] protected because of domestic abuse and a man who identifies a woman demands access to this same shelter

[00:20:10] under the equality act he would have to be given access to that shelter or girl sports

[00:20:16] we’re all familiar now with what’s happening um with men biological men entering girls sports

[00:20:22] the weightlifting competitions the mixed martial arts uh the track and field where biological men are just crushing

[00:20:29] women in every instance well this would this would integrate that it wouldn’t this would embellish

[00:20:36] that kind of thing throughout women’s sports in the united states it would back basically do away with women’s sports

[00:20:43] yeah as we know it today um private schools and colleges

[00:20:48] would also have to knuckle under to the provisions of the equality act so if you’re like a hillsdale college

[00:20:55] even though you’re not receiving federal funding this would apply to you right because you’re providing public accommodation

[00:21:01] so if you’re not willing to hire um people in the lgbt community or you’re not willing to soften your

[00:21:08] biblical stance on homosexuality or transgenderism you could be at risk for penalties under

[00:21:14] the equality act yeah and again for those of you listening um if you haven’t

[00:21:20] you know looked into these sorts of things these are these things are happening um i mean what mark is referencing these

[00:21:26] are these are things that are actually happening i’m reading off of heritage website in anchorage alaska biological male born

[00:21:32] timothy paul coyle who goes by samantha coyle tried to gain access to the city’s

[00:21:38] downtown soup kitchen hope center which is a shelter for women it’s a and so he kept trying to

[00:21:45] get in there and so now in that kind of a circumstance

[00:21:50] they’d have to let that in order to continue to get government funding in california um the government was

[00:21:56] threatening uh that they tried to pass a law saying that uh any university that did not adhere

[00:22:03] to essentially california thought regarding homosexuality and uh you know trans

[00:22:10] their the transgender ideas um could lose the ability to have any

[00:22:16] student get a loan that actually gets them to the the school so for get a student loan

[00:22:22] they couldn’t even get a student loan so essentially you’re shutting down christian universities if they don’t bow down to uh this

[00:22:29] new world view um and again you know i’ve done quite a few shows on

[00:22:34] the issue of transgenderism on uh you know is perception more important than reality

[00:22:40] if you’re wondering where that’s coming from it’s the idea that that the human mind is the god

[00:22:47] and that anything the human mind perceives is greater than what actually exists uh and so this is extremely dangerous

[00:22:56] uh and if you want to set yourself up for persecution and uh going down the road to government

[00:23:03] tyranny uh you couldn’t do a better job i mean that’s obviously where this is going so so question for you mark you know um

[00:23:12] and uh you can you probably are are more aware of this than i am but the the house has already passed um hr5

[00:23:19] uh overwhelmingly supported i believe by uh three republicans or and it was all

[00:23:26] it was almost a party line vote just for a few few uh votes off but um where is this

[00:23:32] now um it has to go up before the senate is that correct that is correct and uh it could do that any day and a

[00:23:40] bill of this nature normally uh would fall under the filibuster rule where it would require 60 votes to win so that would mean that

[00:23:47] um because there it’s about a 50-50 split in the senate that some republicans would have to come over to pass this

[00:23:53] bill so that while that may be of some comfort to people

[00:23:59] um in our viewing audience it shouldn’t be because chuck schumer now is trying to

[00:24:04] come up with some ways to get around the filibuster and make it just a majority vote and one of those rules and i don’t know

[00:24:11] the particulars of it but it’s called rule 14 and if this is exercised that

[00:24:18] means that the equality act could fall as a provision under budget negotiations

[00:24:24] so this is kind of like earmarks you know you have an omnibus bill and they’re throwing the kitchen sink

[00:24:30] into it and all these things just kind of land um in this this big bill well this specific rule

[00:24:35] rule 14 allows other provisions to be brought under budget negotiations

[00:24:41] and if that happens then it’s only a majority vote all you need is a simple majority in

[00:24:46] which case this thing would easily pass the senate so um you know we have to

[00:24:52] look into look more into this and watch very carefully

[00:24:57] but if indeed that’s the case anybody can object to this rule being implemented in this

[00:25:04] particular instance but it requires alert opponents of this bill to be on

[00:25:10] the on the senate floor during all um legislation

[00:25:15] motions for the next two years until we have the next election to be ready and waiting for the equality

[00:25:22] act to come up under under a budget negotiation and say no wait a minute i object to this

[00:25:28] and that’s a tall order that is a tall order that means essentially you’ve got to have uh somebody what is that i mean how

[00:25:36] often um are these bills brought up is there is this 24 7 is this uh

[00:25:43] during the work day how does that work uh this is the thing i mean you know everybody’s aware of the fact that

[00:25:49] sometimes the senate passes bills um in in the dead of night yeah well after midnight

[00:25:55] when c-span is off nobody’s paying attention and a lot of times that’s when these more controversial bills are

[00:26:02] passed so um fortunately the the conservatives in the senate are

[00:26:08] very well aware of this tactic and they are starting to mobilize they have enough manpower to object at

[00:26:16] this kind of thing yeah they’ve essentially got a gotta um put together a schedule and basically say there will never be a time that one of

[00:26:22] us is not uh available to listen in and catch that

[00:26:27] that’s exactly i hate to be the guy that’s sitting in there and and it gets squeaks by you right

[00:26:32] you’re in you’re in trouble um but uh mark to a certain extent this seems

[00:26:38] like this is out of the control of the average person um you know this is this is happening up

[00:26:44] in in dc here and and the house has passed it and the senate is working on it and um you know

[00:26:50] here we are uh just hoping and praying uh to a large extent um what what do we

[00:26:56] do on a regular basis in order to you know protect a biblical worldview and continue to guarantee the

[00:27:02] freedoms that we have in this great country which is which are being whittled away every day it seems like

[00:27:08] well i would say the first thing kevin is to storm the throne room of heaven with your with your prayers

[00:27:13] if ever there were time for fasting and prayer and to appeal to the very throne room of god this is

[00:27:20] it i don’t know that america could ever come back from a bill like this where were it to pass we’re already so

[00:27:28] far down the road to these onerous kinds of legislation that the country is becoming

[00:27:33] unrecognizable from what it was even 10 15 years ago so uh god is still in

[00:27:39] control he still raises kings and and and pulls them down he’s still sovereign

[00:27:44] so he he could change anything so that would be the first thing the second thing that i would recommend

[00:27:50] is faxing your federal senators in whatever state you happen to live in

[00:27:55] here in california of course it’s dianne feinstein and alex padilla and the reason i say

[00:28:00] facts is because sometimes they don’t pay attention to email or they don’t answer their phone

[00:28:05] but if you fax them their fax machines are never turned off okay this is uh this is a strategy that

[00:28:11] matt matt staver likes to use a lot and i think it’s a very valid one so if they

[00:28:16] are flooded with faxes opposing the equality act you know hopefully it gets their

[00:28:22] attention and that the overwhelming opinion of their constituents is we don’t want to have anything to do with this

[00:28:28] it may give some people cold feet um who are currently on the fence i mean and there at least there’s at

[00:28:34] least one democrat who um we think is not going to vote for this and that’s joe manchin in west

[00:28:40] virginia he’s a democrat but he tends to be conservative on social issues so we can hope that uh he stands fast

[00:28:48] and i i believe there’s somebody in arizona also uh who is a democrat but also um

[00:28:55] often leans conservative i can’t remember the name offhand but i i’ve heard that joe manchin and

[00:29:00] this other i believe it’s a woman but anyway um okay well that makes a lot of sense if you’re just tuning in our my

[00:29:07] guest today is mark schneider and he is the founder of protectorkidsnow.org please check it out check out the

[00:29:13] resources he’s got all kinds of stuff up there that’s incredibly helpful and informative when it comes to being able

[00:29:19] to do battle against uh ideas and values that are contrary to a biblical world

[00:29:24] view the bible says that we demolish arguments that set themselves up against the knowledge of god but you can’t demolish arguments if you

[00:29:31] don’t know what the arguments are and so that’s critically important to be able to analyze a stress and evaluate those and i’ve had

[00:29:38] a lot of guests on recently that are talking about these these sorts of things um sam sorba was

[00:29:43] on recently and she recently wrote a book called words for warriors which is specifically dealing with the

[00:29:49] fact that we’ve got to be able to understand the language and the issues in order to make the case for a biblical world view

[00:29:55] and if you don’t know anything about the transgender issues you need to look into it uh the evidence

[00:30:01] for the the damage and the pain that’s a result of transgender surgeries and everything that the hormone blockers

[00:30:08] that they’re trying to push forward is overwhelming uh you know the the

[00:30:13] uh i believe it was the chief psychiatrist john hopkins came out a while back before they they uh canceled him uh and said

[00:30:21] we we made huge mistakes in doing all these transgender surgeries we never should have done this uh it it was overwhelmingly uh horrible

[00:30:28] you cannot change your gender you can’t do that and why are we trying to solve a mind problem

[00:30:34] with a physical solution this is what he was talking about right trauma is causing these these issues and these

[00:30:39] problems you need to heal the mind and so um mark along those same lines

[00:30:45] you know another issue that you’re dealing with uh with protect our kids now is uh critical race theory and i was

[00:30:52] reading your blog on this and um you wrote you wrote on here

[00:30:57] uh let me quote this um you wrote new threats are making their

[00:31:03] way to our public schools in the form of critical race theory and historical revisionism crt teaches that western and especially

[00:31:10] american society is based on systemic racism and an oppression and i i thought this

[00:31:16] was really interesting what you wrote you wrote historical revisionism teaches that the american republic

[00:31:22] was founded not upon the truths expressed in the declaration of independence but on the founders desire to maintain

[00:31:29] and promote what historical revisionists are calling a slaveocracy and so essentially what they’re doing

[00:31:37] here is um destroying the very foundations of america by saying the whole genesis of the country is evil

[00:31:47] that’s exactly right uh crt would impose a new kind of class warf warfare in american society uh instead

[00:31:54] of the bourgeoisie against the proletariat now it creates categories of racial conflict

[00:32:00] pitting americans against each other and this this is very uh closely associated with what we

[00:32:06] know is historical revisionism which is uh bears on the the quotation that you just

[00:32:11] read which goes back to a new york times publication written by hannah nicole jones called

[00:32:18] the 1619 project your viewers may be familiar with that but basically it makes the argument that

[00:32:25] the united states of america was not founded in 1776 based on the

[00:32:30] principles and the declaration of independence that all men are created equal that we are endowed by our creator

[00:32:35] with certain unalienable rights rather it was based on the first

[00:32:40] slave ship that came to america in the year 1619

[00:32:45] and from from there the entire goal of our founders was to establish

[00:32:53] a society economics and a political structure that was designed to keep and promote

[00:33:00] white privilege and white supremacy and you might think well this is mind-numbingly ridiculous but

[00:33:07] unfortunately it’s been rolled out in universities it’s in the public schools now from buffalo new york to cupertino

[00:33:14] california and beyond it’s being written into textbooks children are being indoctrinated with

[00:33:20] ice this idea of historical revisionism and to really see america in a light

[00:33:26] that would be unrecognizable to mature americans wow and so from that perspective

[00:33:34] you know you’ve you’re arguing that if there was ever a time to get out of the public schools now is the time

[00:33:41] and i talked about this with george also uh you know a lot of people are thinking

[00:33:46] like hey we need to rescue the public schools even in my own city here we’ve got a lot of christians on the on the school board

[00:33:52] in in not everyone in san diego in the san diego uh unified school district not so but in

[00:33:59] the grossmont uh school district uh we have at least three very strong christians on on the school board and

[00:34:05] they’re doing their best to protect those the school um but uh speak to our

[00:34:10] listeners about your your perspective regarding you know what do we do with the public schools do we

[00:34:16] save them do we leave them what what do we do well we would very much like to save them but i don’t think

[00:34:22] that’s realistic in the short term and by the short term i mean a generation of children in the current

[00:34:28] public school system so kindergarten through the 12th grade if meaningful change is going to happen

[00:34:35] it is not going to happen overnight now i grant you we have many public

[00:34:41] school teachers and school board members who are part of protect our kids ministry

[00:34:47] and we applaud them they are the heroes uh you know behind the battle lines uh

[00:34:53] doing the yeoman’s work of trying to preserve civilized culture but it is almost an

[00:34:58] impossible task on their part we try to give them all the help we can but the forces that are rallied against

[00:35:05] them are simply too great um two women mary rice hassan and teresa

[00:35:10] farnan wrote a well-known book and published a number of years ago called get out now

[00:35:16] and they studied what’s been happening in the public schools extensively and pok has done the same thing over the

[00:35:22] last couple of years and their conclusion was the public schools in the near term are beyond redemption

[00:35:30] the only certain way to protect your children against what can only be described as state indoctrination

[00:35:37] is to remove them from the public school system entirely if you cannot do that then you should

[00:35:43] take every pain to get involved with your local school boards to try and be an activist to have as much influence as you can to

[00:35:50] try to protect your children from these threats but if you can get them out you should

[00:35:56] seriously look into private school or homeschooling gotcha okay now um and then so

[00:36:05] if somebody uh you know is is so along these same lines just

[00:36:11] recently we had school choice week and um i think i believe you’re an

[00:36:16] advocate of school choice also is that correct absolutely yes yeah okay and so school school choice has been growing i

[00:36:23] mean all over the country there has been a movement for school choice to grow it’s kind of in a lot of ways behind the

[00:36:29] scenes compared not always out in front and it seems to be bipartisan in the sense that both democrats and

[00:36:38] republicans support school choice depending on the state you’re in uh not in every state not in california

[00:36:44] but seems to be the case can you speak a little more to the uh perspective of school choice and what

[00:36:49] do you do you see this uh as a critical issue down the road as we continue to deal with these issues

[00:36:56] absolutely i mean in the states every state that describes tried school choice it’s been a tremendous success i mean the closest

[00:37:03] thing that we have in california in the public school system are the charter schools and they have been a wonderful success i

[00:37:09] mean they’re they’re not governed in the local school district so they can be somewhat independent now they do they are required to teach

[00:37:15] comprehensive sexuality education but they’re not the law is not enforced as vigorously in charter schools

[00:37:22] but the unions have a lock step in california as they do in many other states and they

[00:37:28] spend tremendous amounts of money kevin as they have in california in the past to defeat every school choice measure

[00:37:35] that that that’s been propounded but again in the states that have it like florida is probably the best example

[00:37:41] performance goes up grades go up um we don’t see these kinds of problems taking the place in the

[00:37:47] public schools and fortunately there is a current initiative that um larry

[00:37:52] sands and michael alexander are promoting it’s called in fact it’s called the california you

[00:37:58] can go to their their website california schoolchoice.org and basically the

[00:38:04] provisions of the bill are that um essentially uh children each child

[00:38:09] is uh allocated 12 000 dollars per year for the public school system in

[00:38:15] california actually more is spent on them per students closer to seventeen thousand dollars

[00:38:20] but if passed this initiative proposition would give that twelve thousand dollars a year as a savings account

[00:38:27] to every parent of a child in the public education system to use at their discretion if you wanted

[00:38:34] to keep your child in the public school system you could do that and then save that money for a college fund but

[00:38:39] if you wanted to use it to pay private school tuition or to help with homeschooling you could do that as well so this is a

[00:38:47] wonderful bill i encourage your viewers to go look at that website and actively promote it but it’s going

[00:38:53] to take a tremendous amount of influence and money getting behind this bill

[00:38:59] to push it over the top and that’s one of the reasons why protect our kids main mission is just to

[00:39:04] inform parents about what’s going on in the school system because once they find out regardless of what

[00:39:10] where they land on the political spectrum they’re apoplectic and they want answers

[00:39:16] so the more parents that we can actually train and influence and educate the better chance we’re going to have for

[00:39:22] school choice initiative boy that’s that’s phenomenal um i

[00:39:27] i’m really excited about this california school choice um and you said uh who are the who are

[00:39:33] the proponents of that bill michael alexander and larry sands they’ve been involved with school choice

[00:39:39] initiatives for years okay and um and you’re in your

[00:39:44] analysis um do you think that this actually has a chance to actually get through i mean the the

[00:39:50] california uh congress is overwhelmingly uh leftist

[00:39:56] uh this this is why it has to go directly to the voters uh hopefully it’ll you know they’ll get enough

[00:40:02] signatures to put it on the ballot in 2022 but if not they’re going to have to wait another two years because you are right

[00:40:09] there’s a super majority of leftists in california and a bill like this would never be passed so the only chance it

[00:40:16] has is to go directly to the people okay and do you know any

[00:40:21] more about this like how many signatures they need to have it on the ballot or anything like that i think they need at least like well

[00:40:28] over a million signatures i’m not sure where they are um on that front um they’re they’re

[00:40:33] basically a grassroots organization they’re just getting started so they need all the help they

[00:40:38] can get they you know we can give them so if any of your listeners are interested in getting behind this initiative

[00:40:45] i would encourage them to go to that website and make themselves available that’s awesome my guest today is mark

[00:40:51] schneider protectorkidsnow.org if you want to find out more information about what he’s doing and what his

[00:40:57] ministry is doing please get involved because we need as many people like you saying as many as

[00:41:02] people as possible to get involved to be praying hard and then to be uh you know doing things that are

[00:41:08] actually going to make a difference and you know i i i think sometimes it’s discouraging

[00:41:13] because a lot of times we fight these battles and we think to ourselves hey that was really tough now i

[00:41:20] i want to take a break but what i’m noticing is is that it doesn’t seem like there’s going to be any breaks here it’s

[00:41:25] kind of like uh we either continue on and uh continue to to fight regardless

[00:41:32] or this these issues keep coming up i mean the spiritual war is just

[00:41:37] real and it doesn’t seem to stop uh has that been your experience also there’s there’s no question i mean this

[00:41:43] could get this can get very wearing on one’s psyche just saying this stuff all day long but

[00:41:49] um ely wassel the holocaust survivor um wrote that we always need

[00:41:57] to take science neutrality always helps the oppressor never the oppressed silence always helps

[00:42:04] the tormentor never the tormented martin luther king said something similar

[00:42:09] he said the day we stop speaking out about things that matter is the day we we start dying so this is

[00:42:17] no time to stay silent this could be uh christian’s greatest hour if ever

[00:42:23] there were a time to speak up and to be salt and light in our community today is that day

[00:42:28] that’s fantastic well mark uh we’re just about out of time here so i really appreciate um everything you’re doing

[00:42:35] and uh i think you know i do hear so many people that are getting involved so

[00:42:40] i’m very encouraged by that and um i see god working despite uh these difficulties um i always i

[00:42:47] always mention that you know i i’m a vice principal at a christian high school and our enrollment is up higher than ever

[00:42:53] before so we’ve never had so many students so we’re very thankful for that but we need to continue to push that and i

[00:43:00] think that school school choice california school choice um you know

[00:43:06] you know when we look at this what’s happening with hr5 all the way out in dc that actually started all the way down

[00:43:12] in the schools you know um that was the that was the starting point of these ideas that

[00:43:18] eventually took root and then developed into what we’re seeing past now and what

[00:43:23] we’re seeing uh be the philosophy in our culture this idea that there is no truth and

[00:43:28] that truth is whatever you perceive it to be um i mean there’s even that famous people quote this all the time they say

[00:43:34] perception is reality i mean uh that’s that’s one of the most unbiblical statements you could ever

[00:43:40] say so perception is not reality um so uh anyway thank you so much for

[00:43:47] all you’re doing it’s been a huge blessing uh just to have you and george on the radio and to hear what you’re doing so thank you thank you kevin it’s been a

[00:43:54] pleasure absolutely uh so again that’s protect our kids now.org check that out my website’s

[00:43:59] educate4life.org tons of resources on there we’ve got uh classes specifically

[00:44:05] dealing with things like moral relativism and the idea that reality is relative to the individual versus

[00:44:11] god’s master creation and we deal with all the the social cultural issues as well as

[00:44:16] helping you understand why we know the bible is the word of god why we know it’s true and helping you to be able to give good

[00:44:23] intelligent but also loving answers to the people around you so that they can come to know the truth

[00:44:29] of jesus christ and that john 10 10 he says i’ve come that they

[00:44:34] might have life and have it to the full and that’s really what this is all about is that people would know jesus christ

[00:44:40] as their savior and realize how much he loves them and wants what’s best for them so god bless you i hope you guys have a

[00:44:46] fantastic week we’ll be back again in a couple weeks i’m going to be heading out to nashville tennessee next

[00:44:52] week in order to be with the teach them diligently convention homeschool convention i’ll be speaking out there as well as

[00:44:58] being a exhibitor and so forth so pray for me and please pray for mark schneider and their ministry

[00:45:04] we really appreciate it god bless you we’ll see you next time

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