Why plants did NOT evolve — with Dr. Alan Walker

[00:00:00] well thanks for being here my name is kevin conover i’m your host and you’re on educate for life radio we uh produce our show down here in

[00:00:07] southern california on a local radio station k praise 12 10 a.m and uh if

[00:00:12] we’ve got all kinds of shows up on the web also they’re all over social media got over a hundred shows interviewing people from all over the world talking

[00:00:19] about how god has impacted their lives and then how god is using them to be a blessing to those around them

[00:00:24] and uh my guest tonight i i guarantee you i’ve never heard a biography like this you’ve got to listen to this he’s

[00:00:30] probably the only person in the world with a bio like this it says here dr alan walker earned his

[00:00:35] bs in agronomy in 1972 from the university of minnesota his ms implant reading in 1974 from the

[00:00:43] university of maryland and his phd in plant breeding and cytogenics in 1977 from iowa state university

[00:00:51] we are going to be talking about uh the problems with plant the claim of plant evolution

[00:00:58] this evening he worked for 34 years in the seed industry he was also a pro tenured professor at

[00:01:05] ohio state university he’s developed breeding research stations in minnesota and wisconsin and i could go on and on if you want to

[00:01:11] learn more about him you can check him out on logos research associates um this is a bunch of phd scientists who

[00:01:19] are experts in their fields and are also believing god and creation

[00:01:24] and uh his website if you also want to visit his website is tccsa

[00:01:30] dot t c and uh dr walker thanks for being here on the program this evening

[00:01:36] kevin thank you so much for inviting me to be on this program and tccsa stands for

[00:01:43] twin cities creation science association of which i am the secretary and that site carries lots of

[00:01:49] information about young earth creation a lot of speakers are there for

[00:01:55] you on our youtube site so people are welcome to go there that’s fantastic yeah and um your your

[00:02:01] bio is pretty uh your resume is is a pretty unique um i can’t imagine there’s too many people who have been

[00:02:08] involved in understanding plants and the development of plants and all all that goes into the genetics of

[00:02:13] plants uh like yourself how did you get involved in um you know

[00:02:18] you’re the study of plants how did that is that you were old and were like hey i i’m really interested in plants

[00:02:25] well you’re close on that kevin i’ll start back when i was a child yeah i grew up on a farm and on that

[00:02:32] farm we grow corn and soybeans and uh oats in alfalfa and we raised livestock

[00:02:39] cattle and hogs and uh when i was 13 to 18 i helped my dad

[00:02:46] farm you know starting out as a teenager there you go and uh i basically was a fifth

[00:02:52] generation farmer in my small rural community in southern minnesota

[00:02:58] and uh i had besides my parents i had a mentor in high school who recommended that go

[00:03:04] to college and study agriculture so i did i went to the university of minnesota

[00:03:11] and uh there’s where i had a spiritual issue because my parents took me to

[00:03:18] church we went to a mainline denomination and you know i was baptized a child and confirmed as

[00:03:24] a teenager but when i got to college i basically became agnostic

[00:03:30] oh wow it what i was learning in this sciences in the biological sciences and

[00:03:36] physical scientists and two years of college

[00:03:41] between my sophomore and junior year i met some christians in an organization called the navigators

[00:03:48] they invited me into a one-on-one bible study and basically we started in the book of

[00:03:53] john and i saw there my need for salvation

[00:03:58] and i prayed uh to accept christ and my savior and shortly after that i

[00:04:04] was on the saint paul campus of university got involved in another bible study where we started uh

[00:04:12] creation bible studies about genesis and i was recommended the book the

[00:04:18] genesis record by john morrison and john whitcomb

[00:04:23] and read that cover to cover and after that i read books by

[00:04:30] uh dwayne gish and more by whitcomb and more by war morris and uh you know i

[00:04:38] i felt like i was getting pretty well grounded in that area and then i went on into graduate school

[00:04:45] i got my master’s and phd like you said in the beginning got my plant breeding and genetics degree and i

[00:04:52] moved away from the twin cities and actually have been gone for

[00:04:57] most of my career when i moved back i live in wisconsin now across the border

[00:05:03] from the twin cities and i got involved in twin cities creation science association meetings

[00:05:08] now i want to talk a little bit about soybeans okay because that was my specialty yeah

[00:05:15] and if you don’t mind no i don’t mind at all i think that’s fantastic i i think i i wanted to ask you you said

[00:05:21] though you became an agnostic when you went to college you started to wonder hey what what is the truth in that regard

[00:05:28] um what was it specifically that you were learning at the university of minnesota that caused you to to doubt the word of god

[00:05:34] and cause you to think hey maybe god’s not real was it specifically evolutionary thought or what was it

[00:05:40] yes it was um you know i got exposed to evolutionary thought in high school but again i was i went to

[00:05:47] school in the 50s and 60s and you know we still had prayer in school we still had the opportunity to read the bible in school

[00:05:54] so the evolutionary thought didn’t get ingrained until i went to college and especially in the biology where you

[00:06:00] know they start up where you came from from and all that stuff and uh basically i you know their professors at

[00:06:07] the university i just accepted what they were teaching is truth okay and then what was it when do you

[00:06:13] remember the point at which you switched from agnostic to um i know you said you said during that

[00:06:20] bible study at the navigators um you recognized your need for a savior did you also at that time

[00:06:25] abandon the theory of evolution or did that take a while after you were saved before you decided

[00:06:31] uh that creation was true i would say it was a fairly quick process because of the reading that i

[00:06:37] did again they were recommended books to me by people that knew creation science yeah and uh you know i

[00:06:45] i remember enrolling in acts and facts with the institute of creation oh yeah that’s right icr yeah so i would

[00:06:51] get monthly inputs from them and uh and then you know my circle of

[00:06:56] friends that were also creationists grew at that time so it was fairly quick for me not like others it took a while

[00:07:03] yeah yeah okay okay yeah yeah continue with the the soybeans so so that’s your area you’ve been doing that

[00:07:09] for a very long time right so as i said we raise soybeans on our farm

[00:07:15] and corn is number one in the united states for an economic crop soybeans is number two and i just went

[00:07:22] on the website and looked up the acreage this year in the united states there will be over 87 million acres

[00:07:27] of soybeans grown and uh the usda will come up with their final report the end

[00:07:33] of this month and i looked up the the price today on the chicago mercantile exchange and

[00:07:40] the futures and price is cents now that’s come down about seven percent in the

[00:07:45] last week and down about fourteen percent in the last uh two months because you know all commodities copper

[00:07:53] and um lumber and the grains have all gone up but now they’re coming back down a

[00:07:59] little bit so but the price is still very good and uh you look at a farm uh last year the

[00:08:06] average across the entire united states was 50 bushels per acre which is a very good average

[00:08:12] i don’t think we’re going to get that this year because we have started out very very dry in the upper midwest talking from michigan

[00:08:18] wisconsin minnesota the dakotas iowa and nebraska which is a you know a good portion of

[00:08:24] the soybean build and so it’s coming with a with a slow slow start for both core and soybeans up

[00:08:31] here but anyway let’s just use the example from last year 50 bushels times 14 bushel that’s 700

[00:08:39] an acre profit or a gross profit for farmers and uh and their input costs uh are

[00:08:46] nothing close to that so it should be a fairly good year if they if rain comes here in june and july

[00:08:52] and uh recommending you’re recommending our listeners uh invest in soybeans

[00:08:57] i do not recommend to anybody what to invest in because i have learned over time

[00:09:03] not to do that okay okay i just wanted to i just wanted to see where we were going with that yeah

[00:09:09] well then in my career uh 34 years i started out with six years

[00:09:14] at ohio state university where i was the state soybean breeder developing varieties for

[00:09:20] the state of ohio and released a number of varieties or cultivars for that state

[00:09:26] and then i moved over to a private industry with a multinational

[00:09:31] and developed uh you know about 20 additional soybean varieties for them and co-op third both at ohio

[00:09:39] state and at private industry a number of journaled articles that are reviewed

[00:09:45] articles in mainly the journal of crop science and i directed

[00:09:51] after plant breeding i got into management and i was the director global director

[00:09:57] for this multinational for 15 years covering stations in canada

[00:10:04] united states brazil and argentina france italy and um in

[00:10:10] in some other smaller countries in europe and during that time we saw our

[00:10:16] germplasm just explode into being adapted by farmers around the world

[00:10:21] now say that one more time because that’s not something i’m familiar with what what was it that took off there

[00:10:27] well okay so we developed the varieties i was the research scientist then sales would sell the products yeah

[00:10:33] and our products did very well and our sales grew uh multiple times over that period

[00:10:40] and that was because of the research you were doing specifically on soy the genetics of soybeans that’s correct

[00:10:45] myself and in all the people under under the organization of soybean breeding okay yeah

[00:10:53] so that’s my background and uh now my worldview is very different from the

[00:10:59] majority of scientists because it’s a biblical worldview and i’d like to get into that if you

[00:11:05] don’t mind yeah absolutely i i really i’m very interested you know it’s interesting

[00:11:11] it’s not you don’t hear very often when people are talking uh you know out and about they’re typical

[00:11:17] when you talk about evolution or evolutionary theory or worldview a lot of times what is brought up is you

[00:11:22] know uh the chimp-like ancestor to man um you know the fossil record in that

[00:11:27] regard but something you don’t hear a lot about is um how plants evolved and um

[00:11:33] it’s not something that’s discussed uh and and i feel like there’s a lot of flaws in evolutionary theory when it comes

[00:11:39] specifically to um plants and the claim that they evolved but i but um again it’s just not something

[00:11:46] that a lot of people talk about what i feel that a lot of people have uh you know expertise in but um i’m very

[00:11:52] curious to hear your perspective on that and you know how that impacts your worldview also but but yeah go ahead yeah i want to talk

[00:12:00] about that as much as i can although i will use man as some examples because we have a lot more information

[00:12:06] on the genome of man than we do on on the plants but anyway

[00:12:12] my worldview is affects the way i look at the history of

[00:12:18] man and history of plants and animals and also the future

[00:12:24] of manned animals and implants i believe that the biblical genealogical

[00:12:30] record in genesis and recorded in the gospels of mankind that we descended from adam

[00:12:38] and eve and that was approximately 6 000 years ago based on the genealogical record

[00:12:44] let me read john 1 3 all things come into being through him him being jesus christ and

[00:12:51] apart from him nothing came into being that has come into being

[00:12:56] and basically he’s saying the earth the universe all life he created or the

[00:13:03] john says that about the lord jesus likewise genesis teaches that god

[00:13:09] created plants he created plants on day three of creation week now plants are one of

[00:13:17] the six kingdoms of life on earth i’m just going to go through them briefly here

[00:13:22] plants animals and you have protistas which are like the slime molds algae and amoebas then you have fungi

[00:13:31] which is yeasts and mushrooms you have your bacteria which most of the bacteria

[00:13:37] fall under that category and then you have archae bacteria which

[00:13:42] are types that are found in hot springs like at yellowstone or in vents down at

[00:13:48] the bottom of the oceans where hot hot pants come out so those are the six kingdoms but to me plants and

[00:13:55] animals are the major kingdoms and uh you know when god gave us dominion

[00:14:01] over the earth i think he was referring to all those kingdoms but mainly plants and animals because

[00:14:07] that’s uh what we raise for our food

[00:14:12] but because of sin and then after that the total depravity of man

[00:14:18] god sent a worldwide flood and destroyed all a man except the eight people noah his sons their wives on the

[00:14:25] ark and uh all the animals the kinds that he selected and brought to the ark

[00:14:32] were saved and you know there was plants and grains on the ark because he had to

[00:14:37] have uh noah had to have food for the animals now people will say well

[00:14:43] you did you have to have every species of plants on the ark no because i think the seeds in the in

[00:14:49] grains and such would have survived in the mats floating mats floating around the world

[00:14:55] and uh you know if they were there’s miles of sediments from the

[00:15:02] global flood that would have covered up a lot of seeds it was just on the surface so i think that’s how the seeds got

[00:15:07] distributed and uh let’s talk a little bit about the district distribution of the

[00:15:12] of the crops that we have my real view is that again if you look at the table of

[00:15:17] nations in genesis 10 where it talks about noah and his sons grandsons and great grandsons there’s

[00:15:24] about 70 original nations and these nations were scattered

[00:15:29] at the tower of babel and uh i think when you know that’s when god

[00:15:37] confused the languages so that people groups just scattered on their own because they

[00:15:42] could talk to each other not to others in acts 17 26 is a good verse on this

[00:15:48] where uh it says god made from one man that one man is adam every

[00:15:54] nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth having

[00:15:59] determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation

[00:16:04] so i had i feel that god helped direct these people groups to their uh locations and subsequent generations

[00:16:12] after that where these people groups went uh they

[00:16:18] either took with them their favorite seeds of plants whether

[00:16:23] it’s the grains like rice or dry beans wheat barley or vegetables like

[00:16:28] carrots or tomatoes what have you and or when they got to the locations that

[00:16:34] they settled finally settled they looked around and saw what plants were growing

[00:16:40] and domesticated those plants for their own use and the same thing would have happened

[00:16:45] for for animals for the you know chickens ducks uh cattle

[00:16:51] or that even i mean that even happens today because you know when you travel from one part of the world to another a lot of times

[00:16:57] there’s laws regarding what you’re allowed to take because they don’t want a particular type of plant

[00:17:02] you know getting in america or getting in some other country because that that plant uh dominates the

[00:17:08] environment and the niche and and so that would make perfect sense absolutely kevin

[00:17:13] now the crop that i worked of soybeans actually originated in asia and it was brought over to

[00:17:20] north america and south america and uh it’s now one of the as i said before top crops in in the

[00:17:27] americas now when adam sinned and his wife uh they had to leave eden which was a

[00:17:35] you know the garden of eden and they had to learn how to toil labor to raise food from plants

[00:17:42] and animals and uh

[00:17:48] one of the major consequences of sin though is mutations and i want to get into

[00:17:55] mutations because that really is a strong evidence against evolution now when you say mutation

[00:18:03] yeah when you say when you say mutations are you specifically talking about plant mutations within

[00:18:09] plants are you talking about plant uh within all living things what are you referring to there i’m referring to all

[00:18:15] of the six kingdoms but right now it’s uh plants and animals which i’m speaking of

[00:18:20] mostly okay okay now it also affected man uh all life was affected now an excellent

[00:18:27] book on this is uh this book called genetic entropy in the mystery of the genome by

[00:18:36] dr john sanford have you ever had him on your program i have he’s i i know john uh fairly well

[00:18:43] um i’m also a part of logos research associates not one of the scientists but one of the ambassadors and and uh that book is actually one of my

[00:18:50] top 10 uh creationist books i just can’t i just that book just blew my mind

[00:18:55] when i read it for the first time it just is amazing it is amazing but for your audience i want to go over some of the

[00:19:01] things in there and sort of identify a few things in depth definition so the genome

[00:19:08] is basically the instruction manual for life for example the human genome in each of

[00:19:15] our cell nucleuses we have 23 pairs of chromosomes for a total of 46 chromosomes in the crop that i

[00:19:23] worked on um soybeans there’s 20 pairs of chromosomes for a total of 40.

[00:19:29] the other major crop agronomic crop the united states is corn it has 10 pairs of chromosomes for a

[00:19:35] total of 20. and these chromosomes are all made up of deoxy nucleic ribal nucleic acid or dna

[00:19:45] and this genome is dynamic self-regulating and multifunctional and the genome of man has about three

[00:19:52] billion uh dna base pairs now a gene is comprised of an average of 50 000 of

[00:20:00] those base pairs and the gene encodes for proteins

[00:20:06] and there are at least 30 000 of these protein encoding genes in

[00:20:13] man’s genome and we still are learning a lot about these other crops the reason why we know so

[00:20:20] much about man is because in 2003 we finished the human genome project

[00:20:28] which sequenced the entire human genome is there dr walker is there an attempt

[00:20:33] to sequence the genome of uh plants or certain types

[00:20:38] of plants yes the major crop plants are have been sequenced and um and the reason why it’s fairly

[00:20:46] easy today because we have the capabilities with technology to do it fairly rapidly

[00:20:53] and in fact we use markers for genes and screen in the laboratory

[00:21:00] for specific genes that we want to incorporate into different varieties

[00:21:06] using genetic markers so i have a question about that because you know the book is very interesting

[00:21:12] when it talks about genomic decay you know uh dr

[00:21:17] sanford postulates that there are between 100 to 300 nucleotide substitutions uh point

[00:21:24] mutations per generation and he shows the the decay of the genome um

[00:21:30] and i’m wondering is that also reflected in what the in the science what they’re finding in the

[00:21:36] the plant genetics as well because i think that that’s focused on the human genome um is that are they finding something

[00:21:42] similar within plant genetics you know that’s a controversial subject

[00:21:48] but my personal belief world view coming in on that is is the plant breeding that we were doing

[00:21:53] was overcoming the mutational effects within the species whether it’s soybeans or corn uh there’s

[00:22:01] some professor at the university of minnesota that was teaching about running out where the

[00:22:07] variety is getting poor and poor over time and uh i agreed with that philosophy

[00:22:14] when i heard it but not many others did but he published a paper on that and uh the more i learned about dr

[00:22:22] sanford’s work and uh and thus i think that’s true that uh and if it wasn’t for

[00:22:29] the plant breeding i think we would see a lot of problems in our genetics of all the major species

[00:22:36] and that that has to do with population genetics so when we’re talking about um when we’re

[00:22:42] talking about the plants and when you say the breeders have kind of held that off you’re saying because

[00:22:49] they’re they’re grabbing plants from distinctly different environments bringing them together

[00:22:55] and that’s causing lower mutation rates because of that is that what you’re saying well i think it’s overcoming the mutation

[00:23:02] rates because we’re getting new genetics brought in that’s what you’re talking about is

[00:23:07] hybridization when we make it crosses between two different lines

[00:23:12] and develop progeny from those lines and then we select between thousands and thousands of those

[00:23:17] lines that have the characteristics that we want to have for specific farmers in specific

[00:23:25] areas whether it’s maturities disease insect resistance etc so

[00:23:33] since there’s a enormous preponderance of deleterious mutations

[00:23:38] as pointed out by dr sanford the genome of man of plants and animals are declining and

[00:23:45] with that we see more defects genetic diseases in man there’s some 200 000 mutations that are

[00:23:52] impacting genetic diseases and more cancers and eventually species extinction

[00:24:01] so you know when you read that book it it it’s very very clear evidence he

[00:24:07] gives a lot of evidence from secular scientists too

[00:24:13] but he brings the conclusion around to the world view that we have

[00:24:19] yeah yeah go ahead i’m sorry so is there is there actual um data on i’m very

[00:24:27] curious about this because when you read that book you you come to the conclusion that like oh no we’re in big trouble

[00:24:33] you know because of all the mutations and you’re thinking geez how are we going to reproduce

[00:24:40] without generating um additional diseases is there actual data

[00:24:46] um that is showing that we are we are having an increasing amount of genetic diseases

[00:24:52] uh within the human population currently um as opposed to you know going back 100 years 200 years

[00:24:57] 500 years are we actually seeing an increase in the amount of genetic diseases in that the the abnormalities

[00:25:04] in birth i think we are um of course back then we probably

[00:25:09] weren’t recording all the diseases but the genetic journals are always coming up with new diseases that

[00:25:15] are very rare and because they’re so rare it’s very expensive to develop specific uh cures for those so

[00:25:23] oftentimes some of the these young children that come up with it may have to live their whole life with

[00:25:29] the disease to summarize i would just want to say the false teaching of evolution

[00:25:35] is that mutation in in selection created the genomes this is completely false the genome must

[00:25:43] have been designed by our creator jesus christ and it did not evolve now because of that

[00:25:50] what i just said i signed the statement on dissent from evolution

[00:25:58] one of the thousand scientists that did that oh that’s awesome yeah a doctor doctoral scientist express

[00:26:05] expressing my skepticism about darwin’s evolutionary theory and we’re all united around one simple

[00:26:12] statement i’ll read it we are skeptical of claims to the ability of random mutation and natural selection

[00:26:19] to account for the complexity of life that’s fantastic yeah

[00:26:25] another book that i’m going to highly recommend to you kevin and your audience is this one the stairway to life

[00:26:33] by dr change tane tan tan and dr rob stadler

[00:26:39] can you repeat that one more time because that’s not one i’ve actually heard before all right the stairway to life by dr

[00:26:46] change tan and dr rob stadler in this book uh is fairly new

[00:26:54] and its subtitle is an original or origin of life reality check

[00:27:00] before we before we go on i just wanted our listeners um for those of you listening who are just tuning in my guest today is dr alan

[00:27:06] walker and he is an expert on um specifically plants soybeans he’s been working in the field

[00:27:13] for 34 uh how i don’t know how many years did you work in the in the soybean industry with a research and scientific research

[00:27:20] actually 39 34 years in my career five years in graduate school for a total of

[00:27:25] 39 years on soybeans and if you want to learn more about what he’s doing his website is tcc sa

[00:27:33] dot c uh dot t c i’ll say that one more time t c c s a dot t

[00:27:40] c and you can get more information on that um also um the the website uh that dr

[00:27:47] walker referred to just recently that is saying he signed the the um essentially in agreement with

[00:27:53] being skeptical about evolution that is dissent from darwin.org descent from darwin.org

[00:27:58] uh that is a fantastic site there are hundreds and hundreds of phd scientists that have

[00:28:04] signed on um dispelling the myth that all scientists agree with evolution

[00:28:09] um it’s a great uh resource just to because a lot of people throw that in your face they’re kind of like hey all scientists believe in evolution why

[00:28:16] don’t you just get with the program but uh this is a great site that really dispels that myth and shows that there

[00:28:21] are scientists from all over the world who are experts in their their subject matter who are very skeptical

[00:28:26] that the evolutionary claims can justify what we see on planet earth today and the diversity of life and

[00:28:33] along those same lines i was doing a little bit of my own research on this and i found out that there are 391

[00:28:40] 000 species of vascular plants and uh the earth has

[00:28:47] eighty thousand edible plants um seventy thousand plant species are

[00:28:53] utilized for medicine um and i thought this was really interesting uh dr walker

[00:28:59] um it’s interesting to me because you have you have living organisms like uh

[00:29:06] animals you know mammals insects whatever that supposedly evolved on a completely

[00:29:11] independent uh lineage compared to plants

[00:29:17] but yet the animals need the plants and in a lot of ways the plants need the

[00:29:22] animals it’s a symbiotic relationship and it completely defies the claim that how is how would it

[00:29:28] be possible for you know first of all evolution is impossible in general genetically

[00:29:33] but second of all how would you have two completely separate um organisms evolve on completely

[00:29:40] independent lines but yet need one another to exist uh can you speak to our audience about

[00:29:47] that the symbiotic relationships and the problems there sure and again it all revolves around

[00:29:54] the six days of creation uh plants came on day three ahead of the animals and mankind

[00:30:02] which was day six so the plants were already there and uh

[00:30:07] in going back to dr tan and stadler’s book they go through the steps

[00:30:13] uh required to supposedly go from non-living matter to life and they have all these

[00:30:21] different steps and evolution completely fails to account for the complexity of the chemical and

[00:30:28] biochemical challenges needed for abiogenesis which is what they believe in

[00:30:35] whereas we have a law the law of biogenesis that states life arises from pre-existing life not

[00:30:43] not from non-living life yeah and the creation account in genesis shows how jesus christ was the creator

[00:30:50] as i mentioned uh in all life whether it’s man animal plants fungi bacteria

[00:30:57] and you know that that leads me also into the next subject which relates to the statement that you made

[00:31:04] you know when jesus christ creator designed

[00:31:09] the world our earth he designed it to be inhabited inhabited by man and all these other

[00:31:16] kingdoms that i talked about and isaiah 45 18 addresses this

[00:31:22] for this says the lord who created the heavens he is the god who formed the earth and made it

[00:31:29] he established it it did not create it a waste place but formed it to be inhabited

[00:31:35] i am the lord and there is none else and then psalm 24 1 follows up on this

[00:31:42] the earth is the lord and all it contains and the world and all those who dwell in it

[00:31:48] and then going back to genesis genesis 1 28 god blessed adam and eve and god said to

[00:31:55] them be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and rule over the fish of the

[00:32:01] sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth so that’s

[00:32:06] the dominion claim that we have from god to uh dominate over uh plants

[00:32:14] you know that’s what i did for 34 years worked on those plants and creating better varieties so god

[00:32:22] created the earth to be inhabited by mankind and i look at earth as god’s epicenter

[00:32:29] you know in the universe uh it’s his focal point god made the earth first then he made

[00:32:36] the sun the moon and the stars and that was on

[00:32:41] day four god does god designed a very finely tuned planet earth and a universe for life and i

[00:32:50] recognize that it’s the only rational deduction from all physical data is that the marvels of earth owe their

[00:32:57] origins to the handiwork of a great mighty and loving god and if i recall you had a speaker on

[00:33:03] not too long ago that talked about the fine-tuning of planet earth

[00:33:08] yeah i’ve had several on that talk about that issue that’s fine

[00:33:13] yeah including yeah dr dr lyle uh astrophysicist

[00:33:19] as well as some others but yeah so i’m not going to go into the specifics of that but i think that fully complements the world

[00:33:26] view on young earth now at the beginning i mentioned

[00:33:34] uh the future of man and you know how plants and animals

[00:33:39] it will impact in what god does in the future that he will bring about

[00:33:46] and i am i just want to refer to prophecy a little bit here 27 of the

[00:33:53] bible when it was written was prophetic at the time it was written

[00:33:58] a lot of it was regards to the first advent for christ’s first coming 109 separate and

[00:34:04] distinct old testament prophecies were fulfilled to the very detail by the lord jesus christ in the first coming

[00:34:11] now this precise fulfillment of prophecy it gives us a lot of confidence and

[00:34:16] assurance that the other prophecies in the bible referring to his second coming

[00:34:22] will be fulfilled and we’ve lived on this earth now for six

[00:34:29] thousand years in the bible uh in many old testament for books

[00:34:34] refers to a kingdom on earth where christ will reign from the city of jerusalem

[00:34:41] and it in the revelations 20 it talks about the time period that that

[00:34:47] will be six times it mentions 1 000 years and ezekiel chapter 40 through 48

[00:34:55] describes the temple which i call christ’s millennial temple eight chapters are given in the book of

[00:35:01] ezekiel describing in great detail that temple that will be

[00:35:06] built in the future so as the universe and all that is in it was created in six literal days and then god rested on the

[00:35:13] seventh i sort of look at the thousand years six thousand years that have gone man’s

[00:35:18] history with the future thousand years which will be under the reign of christ as being sort of a similar pattern it’s

[00:35:25] it’s thousand years instead of days and uh it’s not i’m not dogmatic on it

[00:35:31] it just seems to make sense to me sure in acts says in chapter one

[00:35:36] six and seven when uh the apostles asked jesus lord will thou at this time restore the

[00:35:43] kingdom to israel and he said to them it is not for you to know the times of the season which the father

[00:35:50] has set by his own authority but i feel that at some point in time the father will

[00:35:57] bring jesus back to earth and uh he uh he will then reign on earth

[00:36:03] and he describes this a future kingdom and there’s and i think it affects

[00:36:09] plants but i’m going to read some passages that talk about animals as an example here’s isaiah 65

[00:36:15] 25 it says the wolf and the lamb will feed together and the lion shall

[00:36:22] eat straw like the bullock so here we see you know antagonists wolf and lambs

[00:36:30] wolf would normally eat the lamb here they’re living together feeding together and a lion is eating

[00:36:37] plants not not meat so there’s the plants coming into being in the millennium

[00:36:42] yeah that’s interesting a lot of people a lot of people will um say hey you know certain animals are

[00:36:49] carnivores they don’t eat plants um and and they say you know

[00:36:55] did uh obviously before the fall animals didn’t eat each other and so uh how do you explain

[00:37:01] the existence of carnivores uh considering that and that’s interesting that you brought up that scripture because

[00:37:07] it says right there that it’s going to go back to the way it was there there will be no more death in that regard um

[00:37:13] and so and the animal’s going to a lion’s going to be eating straw what do you how do you respond to somebody about that

[00:37:19] kevin you know god will be changing life as we know it in in the millennium uh but as far as um animals

[00:37:27] being carnivores i think that occurred at the same time when sin occurred on earth when adam sinned you know god

[00:37:34] then cursed the ground and uh thorns and thistles came about

[00:37:39] and basically i think that you know the plants changed at that point in time just like the animals changed

[00:37:45] in fact i was out in my woods i live in a small acreage here and we have a prickly ash that has

[00:37:53] thorns that are very sharp it’s probably why it’s called prickly ash yeah laurens and i you know rub against

[00:38:00] those so i’ve been trying to pull them out but that’s that’s a tough thing but you know i grew up in a farm and one of

[00:38:06] the major weeds they had on our farm was thistles and

[00:38:12] before herbicides we had to go out with hoes and home out of our crops you know so i’m very familiar

[00:38:19] yeah orange epistles that’s especially impacted you that that curse

[00:38:24] i’m hoping for the mankind on earth in the millennium that god will change that and they don’t

[00:38:29] have to deal in labor against thorns and thistles there you go yeah so some more

[00:38:35] millennial verses micah 4 3 talks about nation will not

[00:38:40] lift up a sword against another nation so there’s peace on earth isaiah 9 6-7

[00:38:47] talks about man will live in under a theocracy under creation under a creator jesus christ a world

[00:38:53] government will be on his shoulders and peace shall be of no end that verse is one

[00:39:00] that we read at christmas every year now of course the millennial will end

[00:39:05] and ends the great white throne judgment in eternity when god will then create a new heaven

[00:39:11] and a new earth so uh we got a few more minutes i just want to talk a little bit about

[00:39:18] the twin cities creation science association yeah please do and again you can go to that site and

[00:39:25] look at the youtube and watch videos for the past four years but we just had speakers like eric

[00:39:32] holman speak on the front line of a worldview war that was in april in july we’re having

[00:39:40] dr joseph casselli he’s going to be talking about viruses which is a topic we all talk about these

[00:39:46] days yeah valuable viruses and there’s vicious viruses like like ovid and in august we’re going to

[00:39:53] have dr tim cleary and he’s the the man that’s been doing all the studies on mega

[00:39:59] sequences he’s going to talk about the truth of global flood examination of geological

[00:40:04] data last year we had speakers like jay siegert also a logos associate one of our

[00:40:10] directors yeah he’s fantastic yeah scientific evidence for the inspiration of the bible

[00:40:16] uh helmut welke he’s also in charge of uh an association down in

[00:40:23] iowa on creation science it spoke about a chimp in human dna

[00:40:29] and uh how dissimilar really they are and he brought out all the evidences that you had talked about before

[00:40:36] last year in october we had david coppage he’s from california spoke about

[00:40:42] cassini’s discoveries at saturn and his own experience at the jet propulsion laboratories

[00:40:49] and then i mentioned the book stairway to life this uh book was reviewed by rob stadler

[00:40:58] he lives in the twin cities and i think you should get him on your program i would love to stairway of life yeah

[00:41:05] that’s excellent we’ve also had dr jerry bergman’s talk about darwin’s frauds blunders and

[00:41:11] forgeries and dr rob carter from creation.com

[00:41:16] biblical worldview on science so all these are on on youtube if if your audience wants

[00:41:23] to go in there and look at these and get a better background on young earth creationism and the science

[00:41:30] around it that’s great that is great uh so for those of you listening dr alan walker

[00:41:36] um he is a part of logos research associates which you can also check out online if you know anybody who is a

[00:41:42] bible-believing christian who believes in a six-day creation as the bible historically uh teaches us about

[00:41:49] and they are a phd scientist please check out logos research associates they’re fantastic and i see uh uh jim pamplin is on here

[00:41:57] too so hi jim and uh he’s a great guy and is involved really running a logos research

[00:42:03] associates to a large degree and also again i just want to reiterate dr

[00:42:08] walker’s website tccsa.tc and my website is educate4life.org and

[00:42:16] really my ministry is meant to provide a firm foundation in the word of god from every angle so if you

[00:42:21] if you’re a family a homeschool family uh my website educate4life has a full curriculum with 40 videos all

[00:42:28] documenting why the bible is true the evidence for creation why we don’t believe in religions like buddhism or

[00:42:35] islam all these sorts of questions that people ask and um so you can check that out and uh dr

[00:42:42] walker i just wanted to thank you so much for being on the program today it’s been a big blessing you’re welcome i want to say hi to jim

[00:42:48] also hi jim that’s great awesome well uh very very

[00:42:54] good to have you on and uh i’m gonna look up that book that you referenced because um i haven’t read that one yet and i want to check that

[00:43:00] out and then i’ll stay in touch with you because um i love what you’re doing and all these guests you’ve got on your

[00:43:06] your uh program and your website that’s really cool so thanks again dr walker thank you kevin

[00:43:12] and for those of you who joined us today thanks for joining us um this program will be up on youtube you can check it out it’ll also air

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[00:43:31] whether it has to do with what’s happening on the abortion issue whether it’s dealing with issues like the gender issues that are

[00:43:37] happening we just interviewed michael alexander who is um getting us working on getting a school choice bill

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[00:43:56] and uh to really encourage you and uh lift you up and uh help us work together to love god and love people so uh thanks

[00:44:03] for being here and i will see you next time god bless you wave goodbye dr walker

[00:44:08] okay see you later bye bye

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