Being Youth Pastors – Jon Ulloa and Arnold Camacho

[00:00:00] here’s your host Kevin Conover bring your time bring your shame

[00:00:06] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is joined educate for life dot o-r-g 40 online

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[00:00:20] confident in knowing that the Bible is true and that it’s God’s Word and that you can build your life upon it I have

[00:00:26] some special guests in studio today john Ulloa and Arnold Camacho these guys are

[00:00:32] both youth pastors they work with high school students and guys it’s a real blessing to have you on the air today I

[00:00:38] really appreciate you being here glad to be here yeah yeah absolutely and if you want to check out their

[00:00:44] ministry they’re here in Southern California and San Diego John Ulloa he works at foothills church and his

[00:00:51] website is future quest TV which will talk what what is that what is that that he’s involved in and what do they do out

[00:00:57] there at the foothills church and then Arnold is with shadow mountain and shadow mountain is also has a high

[00:01:03] school Christian high school which I teach at and so it’s a blessing to work alongside Arnold helping reach kids and

[00:01:11] his website is Shadow Mountain o RG backslash high school so if you want to

[00:01:16] check out what they’re doing you can do that but guys I wanted to start off the show today because you know my hope is to encourage other youth pastors out

[00:01:23] there who might be struggling in ministry or just looking for advice and guidance and it’s nice to hear what

[00:01:29] other people are going through I know that being a youth pastor is a busy job and so you don’t always get to get out and hear what other people are doing or

[00:01:36] kind of here’s some of the insight that they have so I wanted to kind of give people an opportunity to hear from some

[00:01:42] guys that have been in the ministry for a while and are doing ministry right now so why don’t we start with you John and just share with us a little bit of

[00:01:48] background about your testimony how you got involved in youth ministry and we’ll move forward from there

[00:01:53] yeah well I have a unique opportunity to have come up through our youth ministry

[00:02:00] I was invited by a neighbor to her high school group when I was a junior in high school upon not really interested in living for

[00:02:07] God and slowly the Lord got to hold my heart and so and getting involved in that ministry one of the interns of the

[00:02:13] ministry kind of took me under his wing began to spend time with me mentored me and as I began to grow and getting to

[00:02:19] know God it began to work alongside him and help him do ministry I realized I really like this this is like it was

[00:02:26] really fun and cool feeling the Lord used me and yeah I’m serving and so when I graduated high school I talked to our

[00:02:33] than high school pastor hey I’m interested in being an intern and six months after I graduated I got hired as

[00:02:40] an intern and it’s been almost 12 years now of working in the youth ministry at

[00:02:45] foothills from that time of getting involved in growing in my capacity and

[00:02:51] responsibility to now being the high school pastor there that’s fantastic now tell us about so about and you know

[00:02:59] there’s a big issue here people always talk about numbers they’re like hey you know how many kids are in your youth group and all and that we’re focused on

[00:03:06] the spiritual you know kind of raising up of young kids it’s not a big focus on

[00:03:12] numbers but still I think it’s relevant to our discussion here because I want I know that the dynamics of a youth

[00:03:18] ministry are different depending on the size depending on the size of the church and so what might be applicable to a

[00:03:25] smaller Church isn’t always necessarily applicable to a larger Church so just for our audience how many kids

[00:03:32] approximately attend your youth group on a weekly basis so our high school group

[00:03:37] that meets every week we’re around 100 130 students that are there each Tuesday okay and then we have small groups that

[00:03:44] meet throughout the week of those high school students and a number slightly increased in that realm sure around 160

[00:03:50] 170 a week okay that’s great okay so and then Arnold tell us about tell us your

[00:03:56] story how did you get involved in youth ministry and yeah well I didn’t come to

[00:04:01] know the Lord I was a junior in high school also punk kid just kind of doing my own thing and a friend invited

[00:04:08] actually you is this a qualification for you punk kid that gets a junior year you

[00:04:13] know I think I think so and you know I was also chasing a couple girls so too

[00:04:20] Wednesday night so I was like alright I’ll be there but eventually I found the Lord and within time I kind of got the serving

[00:04:27] bug you know I just wanted to help I was so grateful for what I had found and and

[00:04:33] so I just kind of started serving here and there and and I also too I had a couple liters kind of see that in me and

[00:04:38] eventually I was invited to be a junior counselor at for fourth and fifth and

[00:04:45] sixth grade at a camp up in Big Bear and and that’s where it all began where I

[00:04:51] just started kind of getting that feel of whoa hold on a second some cool stuff going on here yeah working with these students and and

[00:04:58] then and when you say cool stuff what I mean what was it that struck you that was so cool you know for me it just one

[00:05:05] being used was huge that I God worked through you yeah he could add that I

[00:05:10] could actually have some effect in into someone else’s life yeah

[00:05:16] meant the world to me and so when that bug bit me I was like okay I need to discover this a little bit more so I

[00:05:21] kept serving I kept kind of you know helping with fourth and fifth grade and and juniors and things like that in

[00:05:27] junior high and eventually when I graduated high school in high school as a volunteer never thinking I’d go into

[00:05:34] the ministry just thought hey this is something that I like to do I’d like to do and be a part of and but eventually

[00:05:41] felt the call to go into full-time ministry and and that took about a year

[00:05:47] and another story but what but eventually leaned in yeah the Lord said leave me there that’s really cool now

[00:05:53] were you hesitant when you and I’ll ask this question to both you but Arnold will you hesitant when you you know

[00:05:59] began to consider the possibility of becoming a youth pastor what was going through your mind before I made that

[00:06:05] decision I’m not qualified yeah at all I’m not qualified I don’t have a school

[00:06:12] I I had a great high school pastor yeah it at least you know in my eyes and and

[00:06:19] God really used him to move in my life and many others I honestly believed if I could get my my friend

[00:06:25] to my youth group they would get saved that’s that’s how strongly I felt about

[00:06:30] our youth ministry in in my youth pastor so I put him up here yeah as far as what

[00:06:37] a youth pastor what a pastor looks like so as soon as I started feeling or believing that God was calling me into

[00:06:44] youth ministry I’m like there’s no way because I would just compare myself yeah and other pastors in my life and so I

[00:06:50] felt unqualified I felt like that’s not for me I’ll kind of go my other Road and

[00:06:55] do this on the side and I was very hesitant yeah and what changed your mind what eventually got you to the point where you were like you know what okay

[00:07:01] uh I moved forward even though I don’t feel qualified yeah I I think once I got to a place and took about a year yeah

[00:07:07] people counseling and also again leaders seeing gifts in me but eventually coming

[00:07:15] to that realization that you’re right you’re not qualified you don’t have what

[00:07:20] it takes fully but with me you know I will make you qualify that’s and I know once that came to that understanding I’m

[00:07:28] like alright here we go and I just kind of said I will let you lead me Lord

[00:07:33] you’re gonna have to everything from schooling and where am I gonna go and how I’m gonna pay for it and yeah all

[00:07:39] those things you’re gonna have to come up with those things cuz I don’t even know where to start yeah and that’s really I mean I think

[00:07:45] that’s the experience of a lot of people going into ministry is man I don’t I don’t feel like I’m there right you know

[00:07:50] so John yeah share with us the same same same question how were you feeling when you were asked after 12 years you’ve

[00:07:57] been serving and now they asked you hey take on this huge ministry and and get

[00:08:03] involved what what was going through your mind yeah thankfully I had you know as Arnold did leaders that saw potential

[00:08:09] me and called that out and said hey we really see this as you know a future for you and I also felt a couple distinct

[00:08:15] calls from the Lord to do it and so it made it a little bit easier feeling like I’m doing this out of obedience okay god

[00:08:22] I felt you distinctly invite me to to this calling as a career and so alright

[00:08:28] even though I don’t really feel the most confident and like I maybe am the right guy and I’m gonna walk forward and

[00:08:35] having leaders let me know hey like we see this future for you we want to groom you

[00:08:40] and help you and train you yeah to eventually get to that spot so as I grew

[00:08:47] in responsibility and took on more it wasn’t a surprise because I was told hey we want to want to help you grow in this

[00:08:53] and to get there so they weren’t just gonna leave you out go hey go for it man they were gonna support you and and kind

[00:08:59] of mentor you and disciple you along the way exactly it’s a lot of I’ve had phenomenal pastors and leaders and

[00:09:04] mentors who have invested in me and showed me here’s how you do this and what this looks like that’s great now I meant to ask you also

[00:09:11] Arnold so how many students approximately weekly are you seeing in

[00:09:16] the youth group yeah so we meet twice a week so on Wednesday nights is our small group focus so we have about 120 to 130

[00:09:24] students small similar size yeah and then on Sunday mornings will average about 172 to 190 okay fantastic well my

[00:09:31] guests today are John Ulloa and Arnold Camacho these guys are working in high school youth ministry

[00:09:37] and my goal today for the show is just to encourage those of you out there to know maybe what your youth pastor is

[00:09:43] going through at his church so you can be praying for them and also if you’re somebody get involved in youth ministry that you can know a little bit about

[00:09:50] what to expect and hear from some guys that have been doing this for a while and how they can encourage you so we’re going to be right back stay with us and

[00:09:56] and we’ll continue to discuss high school youth ministry [Music]

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[00:12:14] thanks for listening today this is educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is joined educate for

[00:12:20] life 0 RG you can listen to a recording of this show as well as previous shows have all kinds of guests on the show not

[00:12:27] too long ago had dr. James tour one of the top 50 scientists in the world talking about how evolution just can’t

[00:12:34] work also not too long ago had on David Rives who is a national radio

[00:12:41] broadcaster himself talking about the creation and evolution issue and not too long ago I actually got to interview

[00:12:47] Michael Shermer who is a president of the skeptic Society here in America publishes skeptic magazine we had a very

[00:12:53] interesting discussion so check those out when you get a chance my guests today are John Ulloa and Arnold Camacho John is a youth

[00:13:01] pastor out at foothills church here in Southern California San Diego East County and so is Arnold he’s at shadow

[00:13:07] Mountain and if you want to check out their ministries I encourage you to do so future quest TV is the website for

[00:13:14] John and then Shadow Mountain Arg backslash high school for Arnold and

[00:13:19] John why don’t you tell us a little bit about what what is future quest and how does this play into your youth ministry

[00:13:26] and it give us a little background on that future quest is an annual youth conference that we started and that we

[00:13:33] host on our campus every year this is our 21st year running our conference 21

[00:13:39] years that’s amazing yeah we started at around 250 students and now we have

[00:13:45] around 2400 that come every year and so it isn’t just for our church it’s for

[00:13:50] the church we invite students from seventh grade to 12th grade so we have

[00:13:56] main speakers concerts attractions practical workshops to help them grow

[00:14:01] our vision for future quests that students would come youth groups would come and be empowered be given vision

[00:14:08] hear from the Lord and take that back to their respective churches neighborhood schools and live more boldly for Christ

[00:14:15] that is fantastic now I’ve had the privilege of being able to be a speaker at that for several years now and I was

[00:14:23] blown away the first year I came that I could not how many students that were there but what I really think is cool about it is how you take kids and you have them go

[00:14:31] out and do actually kind of feed the poor and do different things reach out to the community it’s not just sitting

[00:14:37] and listening it’s actually getting out and doing doing stuff yeah a vision for future quests is for students to understand they have a call from God

[00:14:44] right now not later not when they’re older or married or have a career right now God wants to use you and so part of

[00:14:50] the vision for future quest is give them hands on ministry opportunities to see how God can use them when they’re

[00:14:55] willing to step out in faith and do something now how does this impact your youth ministry I mean is this just for other youth groups they come in they

[00:15:01] they experience this and they go back to their home Church what is the impact of this particular event on your church as

[00:15:09] a whole this is it’s an injection of

[00:15:14] adrenaline into our church every year for our all of the people of our church everyone knows future quests every year

[00:15:20] we have hundreds and hundreds of volunteers to help out every year of all ages throughout our church and for our

[00:15:26] youth group same thing an injection of adrenaline for our students our camps

[00:15:31] and future quests are the spiritual highlights of many of their lives so many of the testimonies we hear if

[00:15:37] students are oh god got a hold of me god changed my life you know over half the time that we hear those stories it’s at

[00:15:43] a future quest I met with the Lord I experienced him and so for us it’s an

[00:15:49] incredible testimony of just God’s faithfulness and goodness when we present an opportunity for students to

[00:15:54] come and encounter him he shows up that is great and and you said the highlight for you where you’re seeing kids really

[00:16:01] radically impacted or you’re hearing people come to know the Lord is through future quest or the camps what kind of

[00:16:08] camps do you go on each year our youth ministry runs camps during the summer

[00:16:13] and during the winter months you know when students are on break and so we do a camp in August and another camp

[00:16:18] December January over those breaks okay and do do are a lot of kids that aren’t

[00:16:25] a regular part of the youth ministry coming to those camps or is that mainly your your youth ministry yeah we

[00:16:31] actually we see a lot of students who will come to camp or come to future quest every year who we may not

[00:16:36] regularly see maybe due to schedule conflicts or other things but camps tend to be a big

[00:16:41] priority because we we designed them to be very spiritually focused we want

[00:16:47] students to come and encounter God but also very fun and engaging so they know if I come to camp I’m gonna have four

[00:16:54] days of an incredible time and I’m gonna meet with the Lord as well that’s great and then when when you have these camps

[00:17:01] going on and everything and kids come to know the Lord you know one of the questions I think that’s out there is there’s this kind of balance that you

[00:17:09] have to keep between discipleship and also drawing kids in you know it’s evangelism but then you don’t want to

[00:17:16] just go wide you want to go deep too and so is that how does that work out in

[00:17:23] your youth ministry in our ministry we have a couple unique aspects to it yeah

[00:17:28] where we have an entirely different ministry for outreach so we have clubs

[00:17:36] on public school campuses that we support Bible clubs at the junior high and the high school level that we

[00:17:44] support and so that’s part of outreach for us but we also have teen centers four of them around East County that

[00:17:51] were actually five now we have one an Alpine that we are involved with where

[00:17:56] we are reaching out to students in their neighborhoods inviting them to come to these centers where there’s free

[00:18:02] entertainment video games pool tables ping pong and they’re run by volunteers who build relationships with students

[00:18:09] mentor them teach them about Jesus and through those centers we bring them into

[00:18:15] Church and into the youth group so we have this evangelism aspect or ministry

[00:18:22] that’s kind of outside bringing students in and as they come in we bring them into small groups we bring them into our

[00:18:27] weekly youth meetings and they’re able to go deeper in that way I see okay and

[00:18:32] then when they come in from these Bible clubs in the schools or they these teen centers and then they end up going to

[00:18:38] camp or they get involved with future quest so this is kind of a this is kind

[00:18:43] of the process of discipleship then getting to know the Lord deeper while building relationships with mentors and so forth exactly yeah that is really

[00:18:50] great well Arnold I know that the ministry you’re involved with I mean you have an event going on this evening you’re

[00:18:57] working with the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and supporting what’s happening there that’s really amazing what are the

[00:19:02] what do you consider the key kind of events or or where are you seeing kids come to know the Lord through the

[00:19:09] ministry as is it similar to what John is saying or yeah I mean well we’ll have events throughout the year as well that

[00:19:16] kind of if you look at it like a funnel effect you know that the top of the funnel is a little more outreach and

[00:19:22] then just pack it down all the way to the bottom whereas where we would consider our Wednesday nights and our

[00:19:27] Sunday mornings we’re more of our regular kids come and we get them connected to small groups yeah so a

[00:19:32] little more evangelistic would be like an event like tonight so we partner with like FCA who is in the schools you know

[00:19:40] we know that they’re there they’ve established a long relationship yeah and it helps gets us into the schools and we

[00:19:48] like to partner with them and so tonight event is a is a picture of that where

[00:19:54] we’re working together to you know not only bring athletes but all students and

[00:20:00] and we pump it that way and we advertise it that way that’s not even though it says poster for student athletes it’s

[00:20:06] also the gathering yes partnering with them and so that’s kind of one event we

[00:20:11] had another one just a few years sorry just a few months back in September

[00:20:16] where it was specifically to like young high school girls and so we had a hundreds of girls show up for this and

[00:20:24] had Sadie Robertson here to be able to speak to those girls and encourage those girls yeah so again trying to create

[00:20:29] events that are a little more wide open where it’s easy for students to say hey

[00:20:37] you should come to me to this where it may not be easy for them to say hey you

[00:20:42] want to come to Babbo said it with me on Wednesday night or Sunday morning Pemex uh and so another one for us is

[00:20:48] river trip so we don’t have a winter we have a river trip in the spring and so that’s become kind of our go-to for

[00:20:56] really wide open it make it very very inexpensive and make it as easy as

[00:21:02] possible for kid to invite multiple of their friends to get to the river and there is a very

[00:21:09] just clear opportunity to present the gospel and and keep it kind of

[00:21:15] grassroots and from there we kind of push toward summer camp and other events

[00:21:20] during the summer where they can get involved yeah deeper into selfish that’s great my guests today are John

[00:21:25] Ulloa and Arnold Camacho they’re both high school youth pastors and when we come back we’re gonna talk a little bit about some of the struggles of being a

[00:21:32] youth pastor and some of what some of our Arnold and John have to face and

[00:21:37] hopefully if you’re out there listening this will give you an opportunity to think about what you can pray for your youth pastor how you can support them

[00:21:43] and if you’re a youth pastor out there hopefully this is encouraging to you to let you know that you’re not alone that

[00:21:49] the struggles you’re facing aren’t something that just you faced but that you can find encouragement from these two guys as we talk about this more stay

[00:21:57] with us we’ll be right back hi this is

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[00:24:26] working in relatively large churches and you know I used to work in a youth

[00:24:31] ministry I was a youth pastor of a smaller Church and it was a lot of fun a

[00:24:38] lot of work a lot of challenges very rewarding but I wanted to talk a little bit about that with you guys what are

[00:24:44] some of the challenges you face and that youth pastors face in general and maybe some encouragement to people out there

[00:24:50] about how they can pray for youth pastors and their own youth pastor in their church as well as maybe there’s

[00:24:55] somebody who’s just getting involved in in youth ministry and what you advise you might give them maybe some potholes

[00:25:02] you hit that you could help them avoid in as they enter youth ministry John we’ll start with you I think one of the

[00:25:09] number one keys and longevity in youth ministry that I had to learn was how to

[00:25:15] overcome discouragement anyone in full-time ministry knows like ministry can be discouraging with young people

[00:25:22] especially as fickle as we as people are when we’re young and it’s even worse and

[00:25:27] yeah it’s a reality yeah and part of it is just the way that God created us yeah

[00:25:33] to be passionate and zealous and and there’s just a you know a foolishness that comes with youth and so in youth

[00:25:40] ministry learning that what I’m doing I’m doing for the Lord not for myself

[00:25:46] not for a number not even like not even for this specific student to see some

[00:25:52] kind of growth that I’m expecting but all right God you called me to be faithful and to serve here and as I’m

[00:25:58] doing that I can have a piece that like I’m being obedient me being a

[00:26:04] active means me being faithful to Jesus and serving and loving these students we’re in trusting that the outcome of

[00:26:11] that is in his hands and I don’t have to carry the burden of that because I went through seasons of feeling like oh

[00:26:17] they’re not responding they’re not growing you know this kid that I’m mentoring every week is getting worse

[00:26:24] and I’m like what have I done and just recognizing yeah worse as I’m being

[00:26:32] faithful to love and serve as God’s called me to I don’t have to carry the burden of the outcome of that yeah so

[00:26:40] well that’s a hard lesson to learn because it’s one thing to know it in your head but it’s harder to feel it in

[00:26:46] your heart I mean I had a friend who told me one you passed rate he said before each you know his service he

[00:26:53] would hide behind the chairs and lie down just like haha he was so afraid of

[00:26:58] how things were gonna go and and then you know I know I used to beat myself up

[00:27:04] after a Sunday morning if I felt like I did a bad I’d be like honey how did I do and she’d be like stop asking me that

[00:27:10] you ask me that everything and so how do you get that from your head because as

[00:27:16] to your heart is that just time or how did that work for you a number of hard

[00:27:21] lessons that that the Lord really was able to kind of drill it in where I

[00:27:27] realize like I can’t take this and he’s like well why are you trying to carry it in the first place yeah and also that

[00:27:33] lesson like I wish I could say just on my own I discerned that and came up with that yeah I asked older leaders how do

[00:27:40] you do it how do you have you done this for so many years I watched them get burned and people people turn their back

[00:27:47] and betray them and and I had my pastor told me that’s how I remember I’m doing

[00:27:54] this for Jesus and the outcome isn’t on me as long as I’m being faithful and doing what he’s called me to do I can

[00:28:00] trust that that outcome of that is in his hands and I am I’m pleasing him by

[00:28:06] being faithful and obedient regardless of what that’s to how that student may or may not respond so it’s just

[00:28:12] consistently just refocusing on Christ and that hey I’m being faithful absolutely

[00:28:17] if I’m focused on just the results or the number or you know wanting to see the student perform a certain way I’m

[00:28:24] gonna be disappointed nine times out of ten yeah and there is a pretty high attrition rate among youth pastors I mean I’ve heard and you can correct me

[00:28:31] if I’m wrong but I’ve heard that the average time is only about five years that somebody stays in youth ministry you know if that’s that’s a key is that

[00:28:37] I mean it would fit with the every two years they get moved from one place to the other okay then I can burn you out

[00:28:43] ya know and get more discouraging yeah I mean I I would agree with with what what

[00:28:50] John said you know for me I had to sitting at a stoplight after being in a

[00:28:56] Bible study through the book of Acts yeah and it finally hit me where we kept

[00:29:02] studying this idea where as you read through the book of Acts you hear the

[00:29:12] Lord say I added to the church you know Christ is the one that adds to the church he’s the one that grew it yeah to

[00:29:19] these guys and and their efforts and that to me hit me so hard where I felt

[00:29:25] the Lord say to me you know you’re worrying too much about the heart work that’s mine and you need to focus in on

[00:29:34] what I’m giving you and and once I felt that peace and that release come off that weight – pressure off it was it was

[00:29:42] a lot of pressure where were these kids end up and then after a year in years and we’ve been doing this you 12 years

[00:29:47] me thirteen you you know you start hearing where these kids go hmm right

[00:29:53] let’s get married you know jobs whatever and sadly a lot of times you hear the

[00:30:00] high percentage of kids that just drop off yeah or what they’re doing with their lives and you wonder was your work

[00:30:06] in vain yeah so there’s the immediate but then there’s that longevity once you’re in it for a while you’re like oh

[00:30:11] man and so that could even be discouraging so I needed that I needed the Lord to just release that from my

[00:30:17] back and be like let me deal with the heart you deal with the environments

[00:30:23] that you’re bringing those hearts into yeah um and and and we’ll work you know I’ll work through you and that’s great

[00:30:29] in that ministry so yeah and and that is tough but yeah amen to that God is the one that brings the increase

[00:30:35] right so so now another issue I think that people struggle with you know is is

[00:30:41] family time you know it can be overwhelming as a youth pastor you just

[00:30:47] are doing this 24/7 and it’s not your you know eight hour a day job to your

[00:30:54] all your honor I mean you might as well be a doctor but you get you know you get paid less so yo

[00:31:01] so how do you guys navigate that Arnold we’ll start with you how do you navigate the the constant pool to do more and

[00:31:08] more and more yeah you there’s never a lack of work yeah that’s for sure yeah I

[00:31:16] asked my wife on that getting phone calls sometimes at 2:00 in the morning from students who you know finally they

[00:31:22] got got something right they got themselves in trouble and yeah you know things like that but for me I did have

[00:31:30] to learn early on and I learned the hard way of getting involved and running and going and chasing down students and

[00:31:38] trying to you know do the best that I could just feeling this burn out really

[00:31:44] yeah and and so learning through that I I learned that you know my family really

[00:31:51] is my first ministry and then I had kids and I really needed to engage in that

[00:31:56] yeah and so what I do is I gave my wife a trump card and basically she has say

[00:32:04] if you know she sees me you know out too much or too many nights or too many

[00:32:10] hours or things like that she’s got the call to be able to say all right babe

[00:32:15] you know you’ve been gone these days this is kind of what we’re seeing because I think what happens to us is we

[00:32:21] get into this tunnel effect go go go go go that you’re not able to stop like

[00:32:26] chasing the carrot like exactly I’m almost there I’m almost there I’m almost exactly and and you you can’t step back

[00:32:33] and and look at what you’re doing and so for me it’s been super helpful to have

[00:32:39] my wife and so I constantly ask her babe how am i doing how is family time

[00:32:45] going you know and along with that comes a lot of preset things you know having dinner on these nights and because you

[00:32:52] know Wednesday nights I’m not there yeah um my I get home my kids are asleep so so so that balancing out getting ahead

[00:32:59] of it and then just having constant conversation with my wife that like you know you’ve got you’ve got the call here

[00:33:05] yeah I want to I’m gonna ask you another thing we’re coming up on a break here but I want to ask you a little bit more about that my guests today are John

[00:33:11] Ulloa and Arnold Camacho and they are a longtime youth ministry workers and youth pastors they work with high school

[00:33:17] stay with us we’re gonna talk a little bit more about some of the struggles of being a youth pastor and how to overcome those struggles we’ll be right back hi

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[00:35:59] chime in and give us your perspective in your opinion my guests today are John Ulloa and Arnold Camacho they are youth

[00:36:06] pastors here in Southern California future quest TV is Johnny Louis a

[00:36:11] website and then Shadow Man org backslash high school is Arnold’s website and I wanted to ask you

[00:36:19] specifically Arnold you said that you gave your wife the trump card when it comes to family and that’s not a

[00:36:25] political position but you you basically said at some point she gets to say

[00:36:31] enough is enough so practically speaking how does that play out I mean has she ever had to call that on you and be like

[00:36:38] hey lookit here’s the deal you’ve been away for a week you know the next two days and how do you how do you speak

[00:36:45] that – you know you’re your senior pastor or the person that’s above you you know how do you convey that your

[00:36:51] wife is saying hey you’re doing too much how does that play out yeah so definitely it’s happened in the past not

[00:36:56] in a harsh way you’re like you need to take a sabbatical yeah but it has happened in moments where you know camps

[00:37:03] are around or the calendars getting loaded yeah that’s another thing you know we share that calendar and we kind

[00:37:10] of put it in red to make sure that this is what’s going on and it starts adding up she’ll be like hey we need to think

[00:37:15] about that because you’re gonna be gone here the kids are gonna be doing this you know I will be working whatever and

[00:37:22] so and what I love about our leaders is that they encourage family and so that’s

[00:37:27] a huge that’s bang is that they’re not expecting for me to put my my family on

[00:37:33] the back burner while I do ministry and so that’s been nice to have those conversations with my leaders and they

[00:37:40] from the very beginning be like the healthy family is important you know care if you have your head if your

[00:37:45] family’s falling apart your ministry’s gonna fall exactly yeah yeah it’s just gonna feed right into that and so yes

[00:37:52] she’s definitely had to call it I also have you know a a spicy wife who is not

[00:37:58] afraid of me yeah and doesn’t take me too seriously and so uh along yes she

[00:38:04] she has no problem yeah I’m you know what she thinks yeah she she is uh our wives are

[00:38:09] honestly the helpmate right the Bible says that I thought this was really interesting I heard somebody say that

[00:38:15] the word that’s used for helpmate in Genesis is only used by about the Holy

[00:38:21] Spirit and I thought wow that’s really powerful that God uses the same word for

[00:38:26] the wife that he does for the Holy Spirit I mean that’s pretty intense but it’s true though we need that so so

[00:38:32] share with us John how does that play out for you well for me I am not yet married so I am in this unique position

[00:38:38] that you don’t know the whole experience good is all I have some

[00:38:46] where you know I’m able to pour in a different amount of time and energy which you know in this season I’m

[00:38:52] enjoying yeah and so you know eventually that isn’t gonna be the case but it still doesn’t change the fact that there

[00:38:58] is I have to find a balance there because there is always more work there’s always more need there’s always

[00:39:04] another student that could use someone to talk to or meet with yeah and and

[00:39:09] realizing that I in those times where I’m trying to do everything and things

[00:39:15] get off balance I am NOT well-suited to work with young people when that’s off

[00:39:20] balance oh yeah and recognizing alright I need to step back I need you know it’s it’s interesting that being in ministry

[00:39:27] you can be so busy in ministry that you neglect your own relationship with the Lord and so carving out that really good

[00:39:33] point what you just said there cuz maybe we can camp on that for a second because a lot of people look at ministry and

[00:39:38] they go hey that you know there’s my relationship with the Lord but when you say you can be so involved in ministry

[00:39:43] that you neglect a relationship with the Lord what do you mean by that exactly I think it is easy to to take what I do for God

[00:39:52] and to say like oh this is my relationship with God and and it’s not it’s part of me serving him and being

[00:39:58] obedient to him and wanting to honor him but a relationship with him is just like a relation with anyone else it’s built

[00:40:04] on time and communication and you know if you know a husband if you’re just

[00:40:10] running around doing work for your wife but not ever actually spending time with her talking to her your relationship is

[00:40:15] gonna suffer yeah and repoint you know there been times where I’ve been busy so busy doing

[00:40:21] things for God a rose oh I haven’t actually spent any time talking to you so how do you how do you not having a

[00:40:28] wife and there’s many youth pastors that are single how do you hold yourself accountable to that how does that work

[00:40:36] as far as you know going okay man I need to scale back a little bit party is

[00:40:42] having leaders that I’m open and transparent with mentors and close friends in my life who I know aren’t

[00:40:48] gonna be afraid to call me out and go hey like there’s something off there you know a mentor that I meet with and and

[00:40:55] share all those things with and give him kind of open open communication to call me out

[00:41:00] in to help me to grow in those areas that maybe I’m not recognizing myself okay that’s great so good advice for

[00:41:07] those who are in ministry is have somebody out there that that you know isn’t not necessarily somebody that is

[00:41:14] directly involved with you in ministry or somebody that you can be open and transparent with yeah that’s great

[00:41:19] lutely so something else I wanted to ask you guys about that I think is a big thing on people’s minds is volunteers

[00:41:26] you know I think there’s a struggle to go okay I’m trying to pull people in

[00:41:32] here to help out and how do you how do you guys work with volunteers how do you raise up volunteers how do you inspire

[00:41:39] volunteers because that’s not always an easy thing to do when you’re placing a lot of expectation especially when

[00:41:44] you’re doing something like future quest or these these are camps and and River trips and all and so tell us Arnold how

[00:41:52] do you work with volunteers yeah people will think sometimes do you work at a large church so you’ll have you know an

[00:41:58] abundance of volunteers yeah yeah not the case no okay I think across the board doesn’t matter what size church

[00:42:04] you’re at you’re gonna struggle with volunteers because people are giving their free time and and so for me

[00:42:12] I learned early on its it starts with a couple things one the type of leaders

[00:42:17] that I think we’re looking for which is inspiring and working with teens yeah and hearing their stories they want to

[00:42:26] be pursued they they they’re not just gonna look at a invitation in the

[00:42:31] bulletin in saying oh maybe I’ll show you know throw my name in the bucket yeah because you specially for us we’re

[00:42:38] talking about teenagers and what happens to adults a lot of times is they feel like they’re gonna be taken back to high

[00:42:43] school and let’s be honest high school wasn’t always the best for all of us right it’s a lot of pressure from

[00:42:48] different groups right I think a lot of adults are intimidated by highs very very intimidated you know and then do I

[00:42:56] have the right answer you know all those things so they want to be pursued and so so in that what I like to do is I like

[00:43:02] to very truly personalize it and cast a very very compelling vision I feel that

[00:43:10] if I can get them to agree on the vision and be about the vision to the point where where do I

[00:43:15] sign up and not only that how can they

[00:43:20] be a part of that vision to help us accomplish the goals that the Lord is calling us to in that ministry I think

[00:43:27] you can have them for life because for me I know something that they may not know and that is they’ve been built to

[00:43:34] be a part of the church in the body of Christ and to work in ministry not

[00:43:39] necessarily full-time like us sure but to be a part right and so I know that if I can just get them to that place where

[00:43:45] they sink their teeth into ministry even just once seeing a kid come to the Lord

[00:43:51] for the first time yeah seeing one of their small group kids get baptized or maybe that kid that you’ve been working

[00:43:57] with for months finally gets it and you see it in their face get it that’s the

[00:44:02] world man yeah that’ll be the world to your volunteer and so giving them space to theirs so

[00:44:07] not just saying it yeah but actually doing it where you’re not gonna do all the work for them you kind of back off

[00:44:13] and you let give them space to do some of that ministry so not micromanaging correct yeah actually trusting them and

[00:44:20] not treating them as wallflowers because that’s what happens a lot of times volunteers I think I think it’s key and

[00:44:25] so well you promised them and what you envisioned for them truly make it happen for them and once they sink their teeth

[00:44:32] into and they see it actually planning out oh man they’ll stay with you forever that’s cool very good advice well well

[00:44:38] we’re on a break here but John we’ll get your feedback on that question too how do you how do you work with volunteers

[00:44:43] how do you inspire volunteers my guests today are John Ulloa and Arnold Camacho youth pastors Youth high school youth

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[00:47:11] I’m your host Kevin Conover and I really appreciate you being here with us today on this Saturday and if you’re watching

[00:47:17] online I hope you’re enjoying the program so far my guest today John Ulloa and Arnold Camacho and it’s always good to hear

[00:47:23] what people are going through from a different perspective right and youth ministry especially you can get trapped

[00:47:30] in kind of your own bubble because you’re so busy you’re doing so much that you don’t get to hear other people’s

[00:47:36] perspectives or what they’re going through or how they do things if they do things differently so I think this is a great opportunity to just hear from two

[00:47:43] guys they’ve been doing ministry from a long time and again john’s website is future quest TV and Arnold shadow

[00:47:50] mountain org backslash high school and real quick John you were saying that you had a concert coming up in February

[00:47:56] I’m sorry Arnold yeah sorry yeah in February we are having a Sidewalk Prophets here which just invitation

[00:48:03] really to all but you know really pushing toward youth and young young people so that’s favorite 18th great ok Sunday

[00:48:11] night and then when is the river trip typically the river trip is always the last weekend of April ok leave this year’s April 28th and 29th where we

[00:48:19] literally jump on charter buses and go out to the Colorado River with a bunch of boats and we wake board and we tube

[00:48:25] and have live music and it’s how many kids end up going to that we had 210

[00:48:32] last year that’s all with with leaders – and whatnot but it was hot yeah but it

[00:48:38] was fun we had a great so that’s great fantastic again at shadow mountain org backslash high school and then John

[00:48:44] future quest when does future quest happen future quest is the last week of

[00:48:51] June this year is going to be the 27th to the 29th of June it’s a three-day conference students come at noon each

[00:48:57] day go home each night around 9:00 9:30 p.m. and it’s broken up main sessions

[00:49:04] workshops free time concerts there’s a wide array of stuff for them to be that’s great and you need a ton of

[00:49:10] volunteers for that right yeah we have hundreds of volunteers so how many how many volunteers make

[00:49:15] you said you have hundreds like you’re talking like 100 200 300 like more in the 400 range wow that’s crazy yeah 100

[00:49:23] volunteers so so how do you get those volunteers and then you know how do you

[00:49:28] do these volunteers stay on throughout the year you probably don’t need that many but how do you inspire kind of the

[00:49:34] same question I asked Arnold yeah I’m fortunate our senior pastors their heart is youth ministry it’s a vision for our

[00:49:41] church and so I as a high school pastor I don’t feel like I’m trying to sell

[00:49:47] people on that vision as much I feel like they do it it’s great and so a lot of our church is involved in youth

[00:49:53] ministry in kids ministry junior high high school and so future quest is a regular part of the life of our church

[00:49:59] and everyone knows every year future quest is coming up and so we do have yeah so we do have volunteers who the

[00:50:06] only youth menisci sure they do is future quest every year but they love it and know I’m all in for a quest and then

[00:50:11] there’s some that you know we have a lot of our like faithful youth volunteers who help throughout the year in small

[00:50:17] groups or in our various youth ministries who also will help out at future quest every year yeah now do you

[00:50:23] have any struggles with volunteers I mean what what are are there any you know struggles that you face having so

[00:50:29] many volunteers or organizational wise or things like that with with future quest there are times it’s like alright we

[00:50:35] don’t need as many volunteers as we have and not a problem that most people have right yeah unfortunately it’s just

[00:50:41] future quest and we feel that way but of course as with any regular youth ministries I don’t say there’s always a

[00:50:47] greater need for volunteers yeah we do a survey of our students every year on

[00:50:52] what are the most successful aspects of our youth ministry so she our graduating seniors what have you enjoyed the most

[00:50:59] yeah these four years and as much as we would love that to be our program and

[00:51:04] our messages and whatever the the top-rated thing almost every time is

[00:51:09] relationships with adults yeah I mean so we try to let our volunteers know hey we

[00:51:16] need you there students who need you yeah that’s really want that’s really interesting because a lot of volunteers that wouldn’t be going through their

[00:51:22] mind they be thinking these kids don’t want to know what I you know I’m an old fuddy-duddy here right yeah absolutely

[00:51:27] so so that interesting so what is it that the kids are gaining from these relationship with

[00:51:32] the adults that’s so powerful well some students don’t have a Christian parent

[00:51:38] at home and so the an adult they’re gonna meet at our youth group and build a relationship with and get to know on a

[00:51:44] first-name basis and open up to is gonna be the only older Christian influence that they have in their life at a

[00:51:50] personal level yeah and some that do you have godly parents we have students who grew up in our church their parents are

[00:51:56] involved and they and their parents recognize the value of having someone else reinforcing those oh yeah

[00:52:02] absolutely yeah for them to talk to you yeah because sometimes the kid doesn’t want to listen to their parents and they’re like most of the time so to have

[00:52:11] somebody else say no I agree with your parents that I that helps to order with them yeah that’s really great huh very

[00:52:18] interesting and then we’re running up here we’re almost out of time but I wanted to just throw this out here real

[00:52:24] quick too so I think a big struggle you know is discipleship in a way and going

[00:52:30] deep in I think when I was a youth pastor I was battling between drawing

[00:52:36] kids in and then hoping that they would stay for the meat of the word you know

[00:52:42] to really get to know God how do you deal with that when there’s so many things like that are attractive

[00:52:50] otherwise like video games and we have so much with social media and all and what are some of the things and I know

[00:52:57] we’re gonna run out of time before we can finish the discussion but there’s a lot of struggle with what’s happening

[00:53:02] with social media and kids on their phones all the time how are you dealing

[00:53:08] with these issues that really are pertaining to now versus back when I was

[00:53:14] a kid or maybe you were a kid they weren’t the same issues how can people pray for young people

[00:53:20] today and and some of the struggles they’re going through Arnold I honestly I think that there’s something out there

[00:53:27] that trumps all of those things you will always deal with them you know but I I

[00:53:34] think it’s relationships if you can put a person mentor I mean look at us we

[00:53:42] ended up here because mentors yeah that up here B was powerful person yeah and we were upon two in our

[00:53:47] own way in that time even though you know we had pagers you know whatever

[00:53:53] those are alright and so so I feel like it’s the same thing it’s community it’s

[00:53:59] it’s it’s connecting a student to an adult that says you know what I’m gonna

[00:54:04] take some personal responsibility to find out where that kid is spiritually and help them take their next spiritual

[00:54:10] step it doesn’t matter if there are a thousand steps before Jesus or a thousand steps after Jesus I’m just

[00:54:16] gonna take that and consistency in that I feel that if we honestly believe if we

[00:54:21] if when kids come to our ministry if I can get them to a small group where the

[00:54:28] dialog can begin not necessarily an adult just spitting out a bunch of verses and yeah stuff at them but

[00:54:35] actually connecting and talking with them and giving them an opportunity for that those kids won’t leave because

[00:54:42] they’re like this is a place where it cuz think about it between Sunday and Wednesday how many how many opportunities has a kid at has actually

[00:54:49] had to speak their spoken at all the time coaches teachers parents me on

[00:54:54] Sunday morning right but on a Wednesday night it’s like no let’s flip the script and I tell my leaders the less you can

[00:55:01] speak the better ask good questions guide them that’s rated allow these kids

[00:55:07] to have a dialogue and there’s where you’ll see men this person and then you do it consistently and then you know we

[00:55:14] go beyond that where we have them try to show up at their games and brochures and things like that if we can and in all of

[00:55:20] that to me that stuff is trumped with a relationship because once you actually build that and you and these kids

[00:55:26] actually feel like someone cares for me and it’s pointing me to Jesus I think slowly those things can be defeated

[00:55:33] that’s fantastic John yeah I second that and also you’re talking about entertainment and kind of battling

[00:55:39] against that one of our philosophies of youth ministry is we earn the right to speak to students I know that I’m gonna

[00:55:46] ask you to sit and listen to a thirty or either case maybe 45 minutes you know you’re sitting and hearing something but

[00:55:52] I’m gonna make sure that you have an incredible time and I’ve earned the right to speak to you because the more fun that a kid has

[00:55:59] and the more I can engage him even with using those things using video games and using different things you’re gonna be

[00:56:05] more open to the gospel you’re gonna be more open you’re gonna trust me more I’m not just a random person be like hey sit

[00:56:11] down and listen to me but I through time invested and fun and energy invested

[00:56:17] like we have a rapport and I can speak – yeah that’s the relational aspect yeah guys man it’s been a super huge blessing

[00:56:25] having you on the program today and hopefully you out there listening I hope that this has been an encouragement to

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[00:56:56] lift each other up and help each other out so let’s all work together to love people and love God I hope you have a

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