Human Trafficking: The New Slavery – Michele Shumaker, Jessica, Dr. Jerry Andrews

[00:00:00] Kevin Conover bring your time bring your shame [Music]

[00:00:06] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is joined educate for life o RG it’s 40 online

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[00:00:26] Diego so if you’re ever in town or you’re a local feel free to stop by it’s

[00:00:31] every Sunday morning in room m1 at 8:45 a.m. love to have you out we have a

[00:00:37] special program today it’s on human trafficking a lot of people it’s not something that’s real fun to talk about

[00:00:43] necessarily but it’s something that’s absolutely necessary to talk about a lot of people don’t realize but slavery

[00:00:50] around the world seems to be increasing in fact we have more slaves today than ever before in world history a lot of

[00:00:56] people when they hear that they’re completely shocked it’s not something we see necessarily as we’re walking down

[00:01:02] the street but it’s something that’s very prevalent and it’s very prevalent here in San Diego San Diego has actually

[00:01:08] ranked as one of the top ten high intensity areas for sex trafficking in America and my guests today are Michelle

[00:01:15] shoemaker she’s with the point the Point Loma Nazarene University Center for justice and Reconciliation Jessica who was a

[00:01:23] survivor a leader and a thriver she is a recipient of the beauty for Ashes

[00:01:29] basically it’s a scholarship that point alone Point Loma Nazarene gives out to

[00:01:35] survivors of trafficking and then also dr. Jerry Andrew Andrews who was a

[00:01:40] senior pastor here in San Diego for First Presbyterian Church San Diego I just wanted to thank you three for being

[00:01:47] on the air today I really appreciate it it was absolutely and right around the corner here this this we are pre

[00:01:53] recording the show but this Saturday when the show airs after our show if you’re interested there’s going to be a

[00:01:59] prayer vigil in Balboa Park this Saturday today actually that it’s airing

[00:02:04] at 3 to 4 p.m. so run down there if you can and get involved you’ll be able to meet all kinds of local officials who

[00:02:11] are supporting this effort to fight trafficking and Michelle can you

[00:02:16] tell us a little bit about the prayer vigil and how that that got going um so the Junior League San Diego Junior

[00:02:22] League hosts a rally every year from 1 to 3 p.m. that’s beforehand and there’ll be lots of county officials and experts

[00:02:27] speakers just giving news and updates and talking about the movement and we in San Diego are one of the most

[00:02:33] collaborative cities we have law enforcement and Child Welfare and educators and researchers and everywhere

[00:02:40] from FBI to homeland security the sheriff’s of police there’s collaboration and we just were awarded a

[00:02:45] top award for our collaboration here on human trafficking so that’ll be going on at the rally and then they aren’t really

[00:02:51] allowed to have a religious aspect of that so they kind of turned their heads

[00:02:56] and they give us the stage of yours so from 3 to 4 p.m. after the rally at the corner of 6th and Laurel streets we’ll

[00:03:02] be having an hour of all we have a organization churches against trafficking a lot of people we’ve been

[00:03:08] going for about five years so we have several pastors and some county officials and people that are involved

[00:03:14] in the movement that will be praying for us a about 20 people praying that’s so great and yeah kind of setting the

[00:03:19] standard here on the rest of the country is looking at us and saying hey what are you guys doing and how’s the success going it was if you’re listening a

[00:03:26] probably a couple years back I had the opportunity to interview Jamie gates dr. Jamie gates and also

[00:03:33] summer Stefan District Attorney summer Stefan and we were talking about this and at the time I was telling you

[00:03:38] earlier dr. Gates was talking about how they had this huge study that they were

[00:03:43] working on he couldn’t talk about it none of the stats had come out yet and now that that information is out and so

[00:03:50] that’s making a big difference in the progress you’re able to make can you again share with us Michelle about what

[00:03:57] happened with that study what did the study show and then how has it helped the cause to fight human trafficking

[00:04:02] the study was tremendous it was a heartburn of Justice Grant it was a three year project that USD in Point

[00:04:07] Loma Nazarene University did and some of some shocking statistics came out but

[00:04:12] it’s been some great hard data that the whole nation is now using but one thing we found out is that it’s a 810 million

[00:04:18] dollar industry in San Diego it’s the second highest crime in San Diego whoa 810 million per year is made off of

[00:04:25] human trafficking my the Padres are sold for a year that’s our edible I mean most people are

[00:04:30] probably completely astonished by that I mean was well you know you’ve been working on this for a while were you surprised where were the people

[00:04:37] like dr. gates was he surprised by that too or did you have something because we knew how pervasive it was but I mean

[00:04:45] it’s just the tip of the iceberg I mean it’s right something um there’s like drugs and here it’s illicit sex trade

[00:04:51] and then weapons you know like in Texas weapons is above it so it’s in almost every city it’s way

[00:04:57] up there so we are statistics what they show is what’s going across the nation really another there’s several

[00:05:03] interesting statistics but like 86 percent of the girls rescued or teens

[00:05:09] are u.s. citizens they’re not immigrants so what is going on here is not people

[00:05:14] from across the border it’s our own kids up to a third of those kids are often out of the foster care system and

[00:05:21] runaways but it really hits another really interesting thing that it showed that it is across all demographic

[00:05:27] socio-economic racial barriers the pie is everyone from the perpetrators to the victims that pie is equal with African

[00:05:35] American Caucasian and Hispanic so this isn’t an issue in which you can say hey that’s their problem not mine

[00:05:41] I mean this is going this is coming from every direction right and and you’re finding uh did the studies show that

[00:05:47] this is happening you know I heard it’s happening in schools primarily as that we in the study where 25 schools and

[00:05:53] each one of those schools showed recruitment tactics happening on their campuses so if you extrapolate that that

[00:06:00] means it’s going on at most schools and and this is across every neighborhood from you know South East to Lemon Grove

[00:06:06] to point loma I mean it’s yeah there’s there’s activity everywhere and the average age they used to say you know

[00:06:13] it’s kind of a shocking number to Virg ages 12 we’ve moved that up to about 16 but that’s average so that’s dealing

[00:06:19] with all the adults and then all the kids that are involved so you know they actually another interesting aspect is

[00:06:26] that a lot of these kids have been abused early on in their own homes so they’re already kind of have opened

[00:06:31] doorways into getting involved in this at 16 you know they might as well getting beginning paid for what was it being taken from them

[00:06:37] I see so there’s a lot of abuse 150 gang members were interviewed through the grant and almost

[00:06:42] all of them showed abuse in their lives – so what I have come to realize in my work in the last five years is that this

[00:06:49] is very much a story about broken children growing up to becoming broken adults and the perpetrators and the

[00:06:55] victims kind of become who they were so this is happening in the families so there’s a lot going on there with a

[00:07:00] family and we need to be able to do a better job of encouraging families to protect yeah protect the children and

[00:07:07] really have those stable families so dr. Andrews you are a senior pastor at First

[00:07:14] Presbyterian Church San Diego how long have you been involved with churches against trafficking and what was the

[00:07:20] impetus to get you involved with that yeah let me say the impetus is pretty straightforward it was an ancient

[00:07:25] prophet he said that we’re to act justly and love mercy and walk humbly with our God um my job as a pastor in part is to

[00:07:34] present my congregation as as a righteous as I can before you know a spotless bride before the groom and them

[00:07:40] huh and the great day and I thought my congregation this is downtown first had

[00:07:46] 150 years old they’d always walked humbly they know evangelism and discipleship and have built a great

[00:07:52] fellowship and a wonderful congregation over all these years this sustained over several generations they get that part

[00:07:58] we can always get better but they get it shared and mercy I thought my congregation knew that one we’re a block

[00:08:03] away from the San Diego rescue mission these lives are transformed these witnesses of transforms live just make

[00:08:11] us connect with them so easily our lives too have been transformed yeah by the

[00:08:16] Savior and homeless we feed 300 homeless people every week on campus in our

[00:08:22] church after worship on Sunday and however does pastors evaluate their

[00:08:27] congregation they just get good marks from this pastor on walking humbly and mercy but may I say like other somewhat

[00:08:34] conservative and evangelical congregations the the justice page was was a bit blank mm-hmm there’s some

[00:08:41] suspicious in there you know we’re we know the stories of churches that first

[00:08:46] there was Jesus and there was Jesus and justice then there was just justice and that’s a big loss yeah you’re a parable

[00:08:52] absolutely yeah and so how will we go about this currently we’ll go about it carefully but it was that sense that I wanted my

[00:08:58] congregation involved with justice weed I don’t think we don’t think you get all of Jesus without his passion for justice

[00:09:04] you just got part of it yeah you got a big part of it perhaps but a big part also has been left out so rescuing those

[00:09:11] who are oppressed and so forth it’s right I mean it’s just it’s it’s it’s it’s one of the most obvious and common and repeated themes in Scripture is just

[00:09:19] a Pilates asprova –tz– and His apostles shout about these things and

[00:09:24] it’s not subtle mmm it’s it’s straightforward what a powerful message we’re gonna come up on a break here so

[00:09:30] I’m gonna let you pick up and we come back dr. dr. Andrews but my guests today

[00:09:37] are Michelle shoemaker Jessica and dr. Jerry Andrews and what we’re talking about is human trafficking and as

[00:09:43] Christians we have a call in our lives we have a call in our lives to make a difference and we’re gonna be sharing

[00:09:48] guess who’s gonna be sharing what happened to her how she was brought out of human trafficking and her testimony

[00:09:54] will encourage you and inspire you to be able to get involved and make a difference and rescue so many other

[00:10:00] people that are trapped in in a situation that in a lot of ways seems very hopeless to them so this is our

[00:10:07] opportunity to be the light of Christ we’re going to be right back

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[00:12:22] [Applause] thanks for listening today this is educate for life I’m your host Kevin

[00:12:28] Conover my website is joined educate for life dot o RG and I’ve got an online school of Christian apologetics it’s

[00:12:36] basically an online bible school and a real fun classes I teach high school out

[00:12:41] at Christian High School so my classes are meant to be engaging as well as educational so if you want to check that

[00:12:47] out it’s great opportunity to grow in your faith and your understanding of God’s Word and my guests today are

[00:12:53] Michelle shoemaker from Point Loma Nazarene University Center for Justice and Reconciliation Jessica she’s a

[00:12:59] survivor of human trafficking and a recipient recipient of the beauty for Ashes scholarship and dr. Jerry Andrews

[00:13:06] who has a senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church San Diego and dr. Andrews we left off last segment I

[00:13:12] really like what you were saying how you were emphasizing that hey my congregation is really good at walking

[00:13:18] humbly they’re really good at showing mercy and you looked and said I feel like the Justice component is lacking a

[00:13:24] little bit and you decided to take the initiative to get involved with churches against trafficking so what does that

[00:13:29] look like for your congregation what what what are the practical steps if there’s a pastor out there listening who says hey I feel the same way I want to

[00:13:36] get involved I want to make a difference what does that look like um we chose a

[00:13:42] path that we did not know the end of it we first looked at was made perfectly good sense to see what others were doing

[00:13:48] only to discover churches against trafficking was already there and this is not we didn’t need to build a network

[00:13:53] we needed to participate in the network and we saw a lot of good things that were happening mm-hmm again most of which we would put

[00:13:59] in the mercy category which is you know highest regard that’s not second place that’s and it’s it’s embracing and

[00:14:06] welcoming and healing and building back up and just beautiful beautiful stuff

[00:14:12] somebody has to do a little bit if I can say with so how do men get involved

[00:14:17] the last thing most of these young women need is a middle-aged guy hugging them

[00:14:24] and saying you know welcome or yes it’s not welcome it’s not helpful yeah and

[00:14:29] yeah where’s the tendency we’d like to take baseball bats and break down doors yeah whether God built us that way or

[00:14:34] Satan I’m confused about it but this is what we would like to do yeah if you’re from Detroit like me you want to do with the high so it’s a far more far more effective

[00:14:42] tool there is law enforcement this is this this country has fair and Justin really good laws about these things and

[00:14:48] someone would still involving and getting stronger and better but the extent of the law the application of the

[00:14:54] law is not universal there’s some neighborhoods and some homes in which the law barely reaches at

[00:14:59] all yes in those places darker places if you will where the law laws light doesn’t shine that people are vulnerable

[00:15:06] so how do we do that so we began to introduce ourselves this is cops and FBI

[00:15:12] agents and a lot of attorneys in my congregation began to introduce ourselves to people who are in law

[00:15:17] enforcement and thinking that their first response would be well you’re a church where the state yeah we’re not

[00:15:24] searching yeah we thought that’d come off we never heard it we’d never heard anything like that what we heard was

[00:15:29] well it’s about time because we can’t put a cop on every corner but there’s a church on every corner in San Diego and

[00:15:35] you live in every neighborhood and your people have it should gain a sense of

[00:15:41] this and you know we’ll help you with that you’ll help us with with what we’re doing yeah so it’s about helping law

[00:15:46] enforcement do their work which is a good work that’s so encouraging to hear what you’re saying there because I think

[00:15:53] what you’re saying is true that a lot of people feel like hey I don’t want to violate the law I want to operate within the law we’re

[00:15:58] trying to be supportive of the law and so they feel kind of like maybe their hands need to be off or their hands are

[00:16:03] tied but you’re saying hey that the the police officers and the the police

[00:16:09] station everything did they’re they’re welcoming this help because they’re they’re short-handed without hesitation

[00:16:16] without hesitation they’re welcoming and engaging us and inviting us to do more yeah and Michelle is that what your

[00:16:21] experience has been also when in this effort yeah in fact one of the first things we tell a lot of people here

[00:16:27] about this and they go I’m gonna go start a shelter I’m gonna go start a non-profit yeah more like before you do anything in your church there’s people

[00:16:35] already at work go meet your local sheriff go meet your local police chief and ask them how you can help mmm you

[00:16:41] know we’ve had some stories in Riverside a church went and they knew what was going on a hotel and they just started

[00:16:47] knocking on the doors and wanted to put up posters and well they running like a five-year $300,000 FBI Oh

[00:16:55] sting operate out on down oh wow I lost all everything because this church was

[00:17:00] very rambunctious and United and wanted to go do something yeah deal without

[00:17:06] talking with the people your congregation the little people there’s like someone in your um congregation

[00:17:12] that is a police officer or are working at a shelter or a counselor that yeah their ear to the ground on this and if

[00:17:19] not go meet those people and invite them into yeah ask how can we help yeah and you said that a lot of the local

[00:17:25] officials are actually involved in trying to fight this and so we can come alongside and team up with them and work

[00:17:32] with them and they love the fact that we’re even just praying however her and those that are believers know that that’s what’s going to empower them to

[00:17:38] be able to have success in solving this problem absolutely and that’s so great well Jessica I wanted to ask you your

[00:17:45] testimony as far as you know you were a victim of human trafficking and how did

[00:17:51] you get out of that and now you’ve received this beautiful beautiful scholarship and I’m sure there’s a lot of people that would love to hear your

[00:17:57] story so why don’t you take us back to how that all started and what happened so yes I like to say that this is God’s

[00:18:05] story even though it’s a testimony and part of the life that I went through this is ultimately God’s story because

[00:18:13] the story is really in the restoration and it’s important to know where where

[00:18:19] I’ve been but it’s more important to know how I got out yeah and the restoration and the gifts that God has

[00:18:25] given me absolutely yeah so I was trafficked I was trafficked as a young

[00:18:31] child in my teens and was that here in San Diego it was in San Diego but mostly

[00:18:37] in Tijuana okay so there’s a red-light district it’s common knowledge that is still

[00:18:43] functioning yeah you know in this day and to this day and so that’s where I

[00:18:50] was trafficked so take us back to because I want our listeners to know how this happens a lot

[00:18:57] of people are thinking okay were you kidnapped or what what was the how does that even happen you know people say

[00:19:02] well at least what I’ve understood Michele is that this happens a lot in schools so I think

[00:19:08] people are thinking what when you’ve got teachers around you’ve got love it’s boyfriend’s okay so it’s boyfriends is

[00:19:13] that always getting manipulated by a gentleman or a family member and it’s about is that another high school

[00:19:19] student that manipulates this sometimes I give me an older boyfriend they meet or the older men outside of the school

[00:19:25] are using girls to recruit in the schools oh we’re coming to a party come meet this guy was that was that the

[00:19:31] scenario that you had Jessica so in my situation it was familial so it was my

[00:19:37] stepfather okay that was the trafficker but the bottom line is the same it’s

[00:19:44] it’s a person looking for love right we are built God has built us in a ways that we we need love and so sometimes it

[00:19:53] comes in an abusive manner yeah and when you’re so young it’s hard to to

[00:19:59] understand and to be able to discern yeah and the attention can be mistaken

[00:20:05] for love yeah as long as that love is being provided in some way it’s almost

[00:20:11] like okay this is what love is and this is what it costs mm-hmm and my understanding is that some some people

[00:20:19] that get involved in trafficking don’t necessarily want to get out of it

[00:20:24] because of the money and so forth is that true have you heard that or Michelle I would just go back to the

[00:20:31] love okay so it’s more about the love after someone the typical scenario that

[00:20:37] even our curriculum talks about is the that we see here with your domestic kids is you meet someone online you’re

[00:20:44] texting or you meet an older guy at the mall and he starts wining and dining and gifting you and purses and gifts and

[00:20:50] jewelry and all of a sudden you kind of like start relating to him more than your friends and like fall out of your

[00:20:56] grade start going down you start disappearing you might start taking drugs with him he’s offering him to you and that leads to this person having a

[00:21:04] real hole on you and after a while he knows more about you than your friends and he knows where my grandma lives and where little brother plays soccer

[00:21:10] mm-hmm you know so he it’s you would do it that way then after a while you don’t believe in yourself I mean the first

[00:21:15] weekend it’s 20 men then it’s 40 then it’s 60 who do you tell that you’ve slept with 60 men all right begin to relate to him more

[00:21:22] and he has this control over you saying you’re only worth you know I’m your daddy I’m your papa

[00:21:27] yeah I love you I’ll take care of you nobody else wants you now so it’s just this manipulate that the chains are very

[00:21:33] much psychological wow we don’t see there are kidnappings and people think

[00:21:38] trafficking is movement trafficking is simply the exploitation getting someone to do what they don’t want to do for

[00:21:43] little or no pay hmm smuggling is taking people across borders trafficking can happen in the same room another reason

[00:21:50] why we hear about it is that trafficking there’s no such term as underage prostitution anymore sex trafficking is

[00:21:56] the term we use for underage prostitution federally underage prostitution is federally federally defined as sex trafficking and that’s

[00:22:03] why we’re hearing about it so much because a minor does not even have legal authority to give consent so what we’re

[00:22:08] talking about when we talk about sex trafficking is girls under 18 being

[00:22:14] exploited by people that are manipulating them to get them to do something okay wouldn’t normally want to

[00:22:20] do yeah there’s not many girls at 25 that say yeah I really wanted to do that back then absolutely okay so that’s that helps to

[00:22:26] understand these terms better my guests today are Michelle shoemaker Jessica and dr. Jerry Andrews we’re gonna be right

[00:22:33] back and we’re gonna continue to hear from Jessica about how she was able to get out of trafficking and what you can

[00:22:38] do to help battle this evil that we’re dealing with in our culture today we’ll be right back [Music]

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[00:25:03] the first two segments of this program it’s a fantastic program we’re talking with Michelle a Point Loma Nazarene

[00:25:09] University Center for justice and reconciliation massage Michelle shoemaker Jessica was a survivor of

[00:25:15] human trafficking and dr. Jerry Andrews who was a senior pastor at First Presbyterian Church San Diego and

[00:25:21] working with churches against trafficking if you’re interested in this you can you can go back and watch

[00:25:27] segments if you missed them on my youtube channel and also on podcast and you can also visit their website

[00:25:33] Churches Against Trafficking calm and abolish human trafficking calm there’s

[00:25:38] also going to be a prayer vigil this Saturday Balboa Park Saturday 3 to 4 p.m. so if you want to get involved

[00:25:44] those are great ways to get involved and Jessica when we left off in the last segment we talked about how you had

[00:25:50] gotten involved in trafficking through family and then in Tijuana and then what

[00:25:56] was the process of getting out of the trafficking what happened there I was brought into trafficking it wasn’t a

[00:26:03] choice so getting out of it was people coming around me so there came a point

[00:26:10] in my life where I found my voice so for so long I had been silenced right and

[00:26:16] many many victims that are still out there being trafficked that is something

[00:26:21] that if they’re hearing my voice right now it’s so important to speak up and anybody that is being you know

[00:26:27] manipulated or grown or in this situation now yeah it’s so important to reach out to somebody and just fine

[00:26:34] voice within us and just say I’m in trouble I need help yeah and what was it

[00:26:41] that gave you the confidence that when you found your voice well what what changed from not being able to speak up

[00:26:48] to then being able to speak up I had had an encounter maybe when I was like 6

[00:26:57] years old and it was encounter a spiritual encounter and encounter with

[00:27:02] the Holy Spirit mm-hmm I had forgotten about that encounter and there came a

[00:27:09] time and I can’t specifically say the day or time but there was something in

[00:27:14] me that sparked and I can connect it to that Holy Spirit like a spiritual

[00:27:20] connection that I had had you know at 6 years old and so I reached out to the

[00:27:26] people around me because there there was a time when you know God puts people in

[00:27:33] our lives right at the right time right when we need it specifically when we need it and so I came to realize this is

[00:27:41] a time and this these are the people that can help me and God provided that’s

[00:27:47] oh that’s great and how old were you when that happened I was 17 okay 17 18 and you know probably what goes

[00:27:55] through some people’s minds is you know I’m gonna get in trouble or this

[00:28:00] person’s gonna get in trouble or I’m gonna be out on the street or you know oh you know all hell’s gonna break loose

[00:28:07] because I’ve come out and shared this what would you say to the person listening who’s who’s thinking those

[00:28:13] thoughts so part of the manipulation and brainwashing that takes place from these

[00:28:18] traffickers is that fear being instilled in us in in us the victims right so it’s

[00:28:25] a lot of about control over the person and one of the tactics is isolation is

[00:28:33] fear so when I spoke when I spoke when I

[00:28:39] found my voice to speak the people around me were I don’t know how to

[00:28:45] explain it it was just the right people at the right time yeah and if and they were there to help

[00:28:51] I was never homeless or without a roof over my head or on the streets per se I

[00:28:58] always had that protection that’s praise

[00:29:03] God so Michelle for those young girls and is

[00:29:08] this mostly girls or is this boys also we know there are boys involved a high

[00:29:14] percentage that get rescued er girls yeah we haven’t really even gone into some of the communities of people that

[00:29:21] are using boys like that could be a whole nother statistics that we don’t even know about so the research hasn’t

[00:29:27] been done on that yeah as much as much okay and so for the girls out there who are who are you know 16 17 years old and

[00:29:35] are thinking how in the world am I gonna fend for myself if I do speak up

[00:29:40] what help is there out there for these young girls if they come forward and

[00:29:46] they speak up there’s hotline numbers on bus stations and airports I was even in an airport in

[00:29:51] Las Vegas and went into the bathroom and there was a poster with the hotline which I took a picture of them like it’s

[00:29:56] everywhere yeah um but they typically at

[00:30:01] 16 is when they’re getting in and they aren’t really thinking about getting out till they’re older and they’re know that

[00:30:07] they’re aging out and the average lifespan of a prostitute is about 35

[00:30:12] years of age so average lifespan lifespan yes someone that can it pass

[00:30:18] away they get beaten they disappear they couldn’t suicide they OD um there’s just

[00:30:25] not a long life in it so a lot of the shelters in town because we don’t have a

[00:30:32] lot of shelters for minors are mostly adults they’re over 18 and that’s when

[00:30:37] they decide to come out and they or they get rescued or they you know someone’s in their lives saying I’ll help you and

[00:30:43] a lot of the shelters are networked across the country so a girl from

[00:30:48] Chicago will come here go from here we’ll go so the shelters are talking to each other on how to you know place

[00:30:53] people unfortunately our studies show that there’s between three and eight thousand victims a year just in San

[00:30:59] Diego and we have about 32 beds three oh wow three and eight thousand victims and

[00:31:05] you only have 32 beds so are people able if they want to make a difference in this are they able to

[00:31:11] support financially or what would you where would they we have worked with um

[00:31:17] there’s we have a card that we give out and there’s like 1012 shelters that we work with these shelters are all run

[00:31:25] mmm-hmm why people that are working very hard and they’re raising every penny for instance there’s one called children of

[00:31:31] the Immaculate Heart and grace sister grace runs it and when she started it

[00:31:37] she she was running in the shelter and raising the money and she had to raise $14,000 a month by herself to just keep

[00:31:42] it ready so every toilet roll every shampoo they need counseling and therapy and doctor’s appointments they have to

[00:31:49] pay the rent on the houses so it’s not as it’s not as if you can give too much there’s so many shelters that need it

[00:31:56] yeah generate hope there’s a literal safety quarter yes and all these ones that shanaar me if you’re uh if you’re

[00:32:03] in County lifeline if you’re listening here and you can’t see it if you’re not watching on YouTube here it is on YouTube right there’s our they can go to

[00:32:10] churches against trafficking website the web site and has all these websites all of these are listed on there so one

[00:32:16] thing that people can do if they want to if they’re getting their hearts string pulled right now yeah you can immediately go to one of these shelters

[00:32:21] and become a volunteer a mentor they need people to drive the girls back and forth the dentists and doctors and therapy there’s a constant need for

[00:32:28] volunteers there’s a constant need for plumbers and construction people and therapists and look any vocation you

[00:32:36] have can be used in this ya find less opportunities to be in there and you have some money the these every one of

[00:32:43] these shelters could greatly benefit from a finance one okay that’s great so so churches against trafficking calm is

[00:32:50] a great website if you want to help out and I wanted to ask more about churches being involved and how many churches are

[00:32:56] involved and because you don’t really hear about this too often you know from

[00:33:02] the pulpit it’s not something that you hear about too often and so if there’s pastors out there listening and they

[00:33:08] want to get involved exactly what is their role would be more that I want to

[00:33:14] learn about and so when we get back my guests today are Michelle shoemaker for the Point Loma Nazarene University

[00:33:19] Center for Justice and Reconciliation Jessica she’s survivor and recipient of

[00:33:25] beauty for Ashes which we’ll talk a little bit more about that also and dr. Jerry Andrews senior pastor of First

[00:33:30] Presbyterian Church San Diego we’re going to be right back

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[00:36:59] Against Trafficking that were talking to and the ministry that they’re doing is

[00:37:05] absolutely incredible I had no idea why I had a general idea but the impact of

[00:37:11] trafficking in San Diego is amazing give us the stats one more time Michelle for

[00:37:17] our listeners how many per year are victims of human trafficking Mississippi

[00:37:22] that Point Loma and USD did came up with three to eight thousand victims a year

[00:37:27] just this eniac and that’s girls specifically that you’re referring to and not not knowing how much boys are in

[00:37:35] victims it’s actually it’s all victim oh it’s all victims okay that’s a little gray because we’re only

[00:37:41] really seeing girls we know that there are boys in the book okay and they’re getting involved as young the typical

[00:37:48] age is somewhere around 14 15 we’re saying 16 16 okay and there’s and this

[00:37:53] is in high schools there are there are men that are befriended then there being a kind of wooed in

[00:38:00] through the gifts and attention and then they’re being told that they need to

[00:38:06] sleep with somebody in order to generate money that’s how it happens and then they’re manipulated into doing that they’re manipulated various ways it’s a

[00:38:13] it’s a long process and it’s a process of a girl falling in love and trusting someone and believing that they love her

[00:38:19] and once you believe someone loves you and they have your best interest you often will do what they ask you to do

[00:38:24] okay it’s not just a slip with this guy and you’re gonna go sleep with them it’s there’s a there’s a process of grooming

[00:38:29] over several months that happens before okay and you now have a curriculum that you’re using in middle schools and high

[00:38:35] schools in which you’re making helping girls to be informed about this so they’re not manipulated and tricked into

[00:38:42] it into doing this can you tell us a little bit about the curriculum Jessica yes so the curriculum is it drama it’s a

[00:38:50] very interactive curriculum so it’s not just us talking at the students we

[00:38:55] invite the students who come in and and participate in in the curriculum and we

[00:39:01] do it all through a drama and so you go into the schools and that’s okay and and

[00:39:06] is this like an assembly or classroom or how does that work so they’re chosen they’re people there are students

[00:39:12] sometimes it’s several grades sometimes it’s specific grade is determined based on the need of the school and so we get

[00:39:21] the students together or male and female both and we present the curriculum okay

[00:39:26] and so so tell us about it know the curriculum is no more with which is K no

[00:39:32] W more and then the NO is capitalized so kind of a play on that play on the words

[00:39:37] there yeah so so what is it you’re trying to achieve when you are

[00:39:42] presenting this to the students so we believe that the best way to prevent is

[00:39:47] through education not only educating them but using but being an upstander

[00:39:53] rather than a bystander hmm so using the students because there they are at the

[00:40:00] front end so they are in it right they’re seeing it happen right there’s that unit happen they see their friends

[00:40:06] sometimes they don’t know what to look for so we present this program empower them to to figure out okay what

[00:40:13] if your friends are going through this what is something that you could do or what is something that you would do and

[00:40:19] we will play with them okay so it’s a it’s a very interactive learning experience that’s great and if

[00:40:25] a school wanted to do to get involved with that or wanted to invite you to do that would they just go to the churches Against Trafficking website or how does

[00:40:31] that work this Point Loma Nazarene University Center for Justice program okay artists against trafficking is one program yeah but no more is a different

[00:40:38] program okay and it’s about to get funded and blow up because we’re getting some big funders behind it or a parent

[00:40:45] is out there or school would like this mm-hmm it’s very interactive there’s a there’s a survey at the end where the

[00:40:51] kids talk about what they learned so that the end goal is to have them understand what the red flags are of

[00:40:57] being manipulated and it both the boys and the girls realize what’s going on and how each one of the plays a role in

[00:41:03] this so go you can go to the website at Point Loma Nazarene University Point Loma edu okay go to the CJ our Center

[00:41:10] for justice and there’s all sorts of contact information and and as we’re

[00:41:15] getting contact we’re going wherever we’re getting contacted we’re doing a lot of San Diego Unified but we’ve been in Lemon Grove Lamesa we’ve been on a

[00:41:22] lot of the olp Our Lady of Peace and Cathedral that’s great so we’re it’s really spreading and we’re growing our

[00:41:29] staff right now we don’t have the potential to go everywhere but it’s about to be able to be replicated and so

[00:41:35] is this like an hour long thing or is this like a week long thing or how does

[00:41:40] that work so we have two two ways that we’re presenting it one of the ways this

[00:41:47] is a three-and-a-half hour program so we present it within three and a half hours the second way is over three days okay

[00:41:55] so we can break up each session into three days that’s great okay and and so

[00:42:02] that is the No More curriculum from Middle School in high school and tell us a little bit about the beauty for Ashes

[00:42:09] scholarship what what exactly is that you were a recipient of that Jessica yes I am so beauty for Ashes scholarship is

[00:42:17] full scholarship for human survivors okay men trafficking survivors it’s

[00:42:23] through so if there’s a young girl out there who’s thinking I want to get out of this

[00:42:29] but I don’t have a job or whatever if she wanted to apply for that sort of a

[00:42:34] scholarship would she just contact Point Loma Nazarene or how does that work they

[00:42:41] would apply just like any other person would apply oftentimes um coming out of high school age you would have to take an SAT so we suggest that they wait and

[00:42:49] you can go to Community College for a couple years that you don’t have to take that SAT okay and then you get a couple

[00:42:54] of semesters under you have good grades and you can transfer into Point Loma so that’s typical rule although we do

[00:42:59] have one girl that just came in as freshmen and she’s she’s doing great um so how many recipients have there

[00:43:05] been so far um there’s been five okay five on campus right now and is that a full scholarship er so what it is is

[00:43:11] with all the different financial aid available the scholarship pays whatever state and government and federal and

[00:43:17] whatever year don’t whatever can’t cover the scholarship covers that’s great and is that provided by private donors or as

[00:43:23] that Point Loma Nazarene it’s all been money raised we’ve had for the last three years we’ve had a banquet called

[00:43:30] hope rising and we’ve raised um over 300 grand towards a scholarship from just

[00:43:35] lots and lots and lots of people a lot of a lot of compassion and people out there I mean is tons of small gifts

[00:43:41] right there that’s great that’s the body of Christ coming together and making a difference absolutely yeah the goal is

[00:43:46] to have it to be two million dollars so it’s endowed so we can take a little bit of a breath right now it’s like we got

[00:43:52] another college student but one interesting thing that we found out is that beyond just the scholarship we need

[00:43:59] lots of other services like counseling and therapy and just educational resources these young people have been

[00:44:07] through a lot oh yeah so to throw them in with the average high achieving SAT person that’s

[00:44:12] coming you know 4.0 yeah you don’t want to overwhelm them either yeah it’s a tough it’s not an easy curriculum and

[00:44:18] they have to they’re in the same classrooms there’s been some really great so we’re trying to also have a

[00:44:26] fund for the the counseling that’s fantastic well we have one more segment left so stay with us my guests today are

[00:44:33] Michelle shoemaker Jessica Kim and dr. Jerry Andrews were gonna be right back and just finish off our discussion on human trafficking

[00:44:40] in San Diego it’s very prevalent in San Diego and around the country and around

[00:44:45] the world really so we’ll touch on what’s happening around the world and how we can as the body of Christ as the

[00:44:51] church rise up and fight for justice God

[00:44:57] is compassionate about those who are oppressed and wants to see them rescued so we have an opportunity to make a

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[00:47:18] [Applause] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Connor Brower thanks for

[00:47:25] listening today I hope you’ve really enjoyed the show it’s been a very educational and eye-opening not

[00:47:30] something you hear a lot about talked a lot about but human trafficking is on the rise it’s an issue that is becoming

[00:47:37] more and more common it’s according to Michelle you said it was second the

[00:47:43] second highest moneymaker as far as criminal activity is concerned so drugs is the only one that is above it and

[00:47:49] it’s growing yes and and is that this is worldwide this is a ongoing oh yes okay

[00:47:57] is it I always say worldwide it’s just there’s drugs illicit sex trade and weapons right yeah those three kind of

[00:48:04] interchange all over the okay okay and dr. Andrews what is your vision for the

[00:48:10] future for your church as far as how your church is involved what would you ideally like to see happen as your

[00:48:16] church is involved oh that’s a big question part of it has to do with the formation of individual disciples yeah that if

[00:48:22] they’re going to be following Jesus they need to go where Jesus goes it’s pretty clear to me that this is where he goes

[00:48:27] yeah he goes to those who are in need those who have are vulnerable to the violent and yeah he attends to them

[00:48:35] he tends to the violence as well that’s a under-told and kind of under done work

[00:48:40] as well yeah Jesus is here to redeem the world not just some yeah and that’s a that’s a tough and hard thing to think

[00:48:47] through and how you get involved but if you’re involved in law enforcement and members my congregation probably every

[00:48:53] congregation out there listening right now has folks involved in law enforcement yeah they’ve seen this up front they’re their hearts break earlier

[00:49:00] than those of us who didn’t see it and because of our professions were shielded from it we’re not participating and

[00:49:06] seeing these activities so part was the formation of the disciple but part of its also a formation of a congregation that when it has a sense of mission and

[00:49:13] it goes out and it wants to be an ambassador for the Savior yes it wants to proclaim the good news of God’s

[00:49:20] forgiveness for all of our sins all of the time and and to everyone prayed for it and yes we want to be better at that

[00:49:26] but we’ve got a hundred fifty year start on it my congregation and mercy – we’ve got generations of work on that I want

[00:49:33] to make sure that when there there as an ambassador of Christ the whole congregation participating together that they are also advocating

[00:49:41] for knowledge all knowledgeable about and participating in what the Savior is

[00:49:47] doing and love making this world a just world it’s his world he’s not grown weary of it he’s not quit on it so so

[00:49:55] neither will we amen absolutely that always kind of

[00:50:01] brings me down when I hear somebody say oh well you know this world is going down the drain anyway what are you gonna

[00:50:06] do right so there can I say that insults the Savior exact that he’s incompetent

[00:50:12] yeah and cannot do what he set out and said he would do which is to save the world yeah he would do it yeah and

[00:50:17] there’s nowhere in scripture where it says well after this point it’s time to give up right no Jesus is always saying

[00:50:22] nope there’s always hope I’m always going out for that sheep that one lost sheep I’m gonna go get them and so

[00:50:27] that’s always that’s so encouraging and um so for the pastor out there who’s thinking in his head now I’ve already

[00:50:33] got so much going on I can’t add one more thing to the list what would you how would you encourage that pastor who

[00:50:38] who kind of feels like there’s already so much happening good luck whenever you

[00:50:44] do a new thing yeah the things I thought about and maybe it’s parallel to some pastors but politics is local and how

[00:50:50] you do your own congregation I probably don’t have a lot of advice for you frankly there was some sense of picking

[00:50:56] a subject knows what one it didn’t hit us over the head yeah homeless folks hits us over the head it’s our

[00:51:01] neighborhood and so affordable housing and and and programs government and

[00:51:07] faith-based that help people get back up we got involved net we became advocates not just providers of acts of mercy and

[00:51:15] social services but this one was kind of chosen in part it was chosen the hesitation was the ick factor if you

[00:51:22] will nobody wants to hear their pastor who’s theologically trained and they’re

[00:51:27] just ready to hear these beautiful nuanced insights of the Bible say the word rape from the pulpit and just you

[00:51:34] didn’t get dressed up for to do that so there’s an ick factor and that that needed to be addressed that we are

[00:51:40] people who don’t blink we don’t turn our eyes away and once we see it we have

[00:51:46] some responsibility we actually have some responsibility to see and so we will what was attractive about it is this is um seem so lame sorry I

[00:51:55] didn’t expect a whole lot of people I didn’t expect my foundation to be divided on the issue some for and some

[00:52:01] against if I had said immigration and said let’s put that down in front of my congregation what do you think it would

[00:52:06] have divided down the middle yeah about what’s the best and way to go about a people of goodwill and want to follow the Savior have very different ideas

[00:52:12] about this and they would have gone to war against one another I say sex trafficking I don’t expect somebody to

[00:52:18] raise their hand and say gee pastor don’t go too fast I think I’m for it I just didn’t expect that to happen so with something that we would have a

[00:52:24] conviction about already formed that’s great and then we could move forward together with what other obstacles would

[00:52:30] be presented yeah everybody can get behind fighting this and making a difference in it it’s not as if it’s in any way a very bipartisan right and so I

[00:52:39] think that’s great and I really like what you said about looking past the quote big factor you know as Christians

[00:52:45] were called to be bold and brave and this is where Christ went right the Bible is very clear it he went and ate

[00:52:52] with prostitutes and tax collectors and so I think too often we try to be too clean and and not get down in the dirt

[00:52:58] and really go out there and make a difference so that’s really awesome so thank you for doing that pastor I read last thing I I really really appreciate

[00:53:05] you guys coming on the air and Jessica I really appreciate your boldness it’s not always easy to get up and share what’s

[00:53:12] happened in your life and that takes a lot of courage and so I praise God for that and I hope that the listeners out

[00:53:20] there if you’re listening today you know the way Jessica was able to overcome this situation is because like she said

[00:53:26] she found her voice and she she had the courage to do that and God will sustain

[00:53:33] you if you take the step and have the courage to speak up God will sustain you and provide for you so praise God for

[00:53:40] that so we’re almost out of time here we’re wrapping up but I’m just real

[00:53:45] quick I wanted to get your input on this is what we’re doing locally so what is

[00:53:51] the next step on a larger scale what is the church doing on a larger

[00:53:57] scale and what is what is there stuff happening to fight this because I I know that I

[00:54:02] quoted that stat there are more slaves in the world than ever before in world history that’s what I was reading about the human trafficking so are the is

[00:54:09] there a movement to fight this kind of worldwide I could talk pretty straightforwardly by

[00:54:16] the international justice mission they’re not the only one but the hourly do you want kind of first if you will and yeah I’m not clear who’s in second

[00:54:22] place but others are beginning and ijm is trying to encourage other distinctly Christian usually distinctly evangelical

[00:54:29] Christian organizations to know the heart of the father for justice in this world and to get involved so tell us

[00:54:35] about the international justice yeah they they go out for things if you will sex trafficking is big and kind of

[00:54:41] obvious then there’s places in Southeast Asia and frankly Eastern Europe and everywhere where again the extent of law

[00:54:47] does not go very far owned and so you’re left the vulnerable are left to the

[00:54:53] abuses of the violent and they’re just susceptible to it and who’s going to go and help that nation enforce relatively

[00:55:01] just laws that doesn’t help law enforcement so in some sense I am is a bunch of cops it’s I have a member of my

[00:55:06] congregation that’s been involved he’s he’s the FBI agent my daughter’s been and so is this is an attorney

[00:55:12] anybody can can join up with the international you can participate and be part of it no you just can’t get out of

[00:55:18] boat and going yeah and be a cop in Thailand because you want to be that’s what you want to be when you grow up so they have highly trained people

[00:55:24] investigators they present cases my daughter has done this with I am where

[00:55:30] if there was labor trafficking of children and cigarette rolling factories and making factories and you know at the

[00:55:35] end of her summer slaves God set free Wow because so this is almost like a almost

[00:55:41] like a missionary group that’s specific so it’s a mission is is going out to to

[00:55:47] fight basically criminal they’re they’re doing for justice what World Vision does for mercy what the Billy Graham

[00:55:52] Association does for walking humbly with God you’re releasing hundreds of

[00:55:58] thousands of fast the world the Holy Spirit is igniting this subject right now Wow believe that the kingdom is

[00:56:04] coming – how exciting I heard I was at a conference where they were at and they were talking about the thousands of

[00:56:10] slaves in the caste system that were being released with their work so just to echo it faster Andrews is saying

[00:56:15] praise God fantastic that’s very in there are ways for congregations to become involved even

[00:56:21] though it’s global the same way you would do with your church planting and and community development missions

[00:56:27] your congregation participates with and Africa in a places like that my congregation in Ghana is about boys being trafficked at Lake Volta in the

[00:56:34] fishing industry thousands of them it’s brutal yeah and they die they can’t swim and this is what they do they’re

[00:56:40] out in a boat on their own and with net fishing and they die and they’ve been trafficked this is this is about

[00:56:46] movement they’ve been moved away from their villages to these places where it’s kind of a large industry and

[00:56:51] basically made into forced labor and again the extent of law and God I just can’t get to look it boasts the largest

[00:56:56] man-made lake in the world that the government can’t get there but but God does I think in the end I think what we

[00:57:02] want to say is this you know our efforts are meager in a way we’re glad it’s more than what it used to be and and these

[00:57:08] things are developing and we’re pleased with it but it’s meager yeah compared to that what it was eight hundred and ten

[00:57:14] million dollar effort and all that well what what what is beautiful about this is that there is a God yeah and this

[00:57:22] will come to an end and he can’t man that the captain amen what a great place then thank you so much for being on the show today I

[00:57:28] really appreciate it okay yep thank god bless you guys those are you listening out there i I really appreciate you

[00:57:35] listening and I hope you’ll get involved torches against trafficking calm about human trafficking calm and also the

[00:57:41] international justice mission fantastic opportunities to be salt and light ok I

[00:57:46] hope you’ll join me next Saturday for another interview we’ll have some

[00:57:51] fantastic guests on the show real soon here very interesting stuff and I hope you’ll hope you’ll join me next Saturday

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