Should it be illegal to feed the homeless? – Mayor Bill Wells

[00:02:29] now here’s your host Kevin Conover bring your time and bring yo se

[00:02:39] and we are streaming live today and I’m very excited about today’s show somebody

[00:02:44] I really respect is our guest today bill wells mayor bill wells of El Cajon here in Southern California and we’re

[00:02:51] gonna be talking about El Cajon has been in the news because not too long ago they actually put a ban on feeding the

[00:02:58] homeless and you hear that and you go what how is that possible how could anybody do that but what a lot of people

[00:03:03] don’t know is there’s quite a few cities across the country that at one time or another have placed a ban on feeding the

[00:03:10] homeless in parks and this is actually a quote from the Alpha project this is a chief operating officer alpha project if

[00:03:17] you don’t know as a big group that actually reaches out to the homeless and finds way to finds ways to help them the

[00:03:24] chief operating officer said this quote she said stop giving homeless pan’

[00:03:29] hailers money she said it’s at it’s not helping and so

[00:03:34] you know this issue is a little bit more complex than sometimes we recognize we see somebody that’s that’s hungry and

[00:03:40] hurting and we immediately go oh I want to reach out to them I want to help them but sometimes there are unforeseen

[00:03:45] consequences and things going on behind the scenes that we maybe don’t recognize and so I thought it would be useful to

[00:03:52] bring Mayor Bill Wells onto the program today thank you for being here mayor really appreciate it I care about how

[00:03:57] are you I’m doing great and so I know you personally which is great too and I really have a lot of

[00:04:04] respect hearing your testimony your love for the Lord and just how God has moved in your life we’re going to talk about

[00:04:09] that too so stick around we’re gonna talk a little bit about what happened in El Cajon and what was going on there but we’re also going to talk to Bill about

[00:04:15] his personal walk with Christ and how that impacts his politics how does that affect being a mayor and you know I’m

[00:04:23] sure there are some public servants out there who think to themselves you know how much of my Christianity should I be

[00:04:30] bringing to my public service and I think that’s an important question we have to ask too as people who have a

[00:04:36] faith in God a faith in Christ and are also working in public office so mayor

[00:04:43] el cajon was all over the news I mean not just local news but it was like I read that the BBC the British News was

[00:04:52] actually reporting on what what’s happening in El Cajon where you like purposely trying to get publicity for alcohol no not a that we I saw

[00:05:00] something from the Russian news agency as well I think it’s really important is on the map

[00:05:05] that’s what I’m talking about well you know here here’s what I want to say right off the bat so that people understand the reason we banned feeding

[00:05:13] of the homeless in the parks was because San Diego is in the midst of a hepatitis A emergency so so what does that mean

[00:05:20] hepatitis A what how dangerous is hepatitis A hepatitis A is pretty dangerous we have had 20 people die

[00:05:27] I’m already from this disease in San Diego County this year about 1 in 10

[00:05:32] people who contract the disease will die Wow and even if you don’t die you could

[00:05:37] be chronically ill for the rest of your life it’s a it’s a very very sexy or liver is that right yes yeah okay

[00:05:43] and yeah so hepatitis A outbreak and so how do what what’s the concern there as

[00:05:49] far as feeding the homeless so here’s the deal hepatitis is spread from a fecal to oral

[00:05:54] contact I probably didn’t to talk about a show but I wasn’t expecting but so

[00:06:01] what happens is the homeless people oftentimes are the people most affected by the hepatitis A outbreak because and

[00:06:09] that’s the case in San Diego this year and the reason is is because they’re not washing their hands properly they’re not

[00:06:15] using bathroom facilities to use the use the bathroom they’re going into the bushes and the grasses and we had a lot

[00:06:23] of homeless people that were congregating in one of the parks which coincidentally was called Wells Park no

[00:06:28] relation to me okay that’s not named after you I was wondering whether that was like a relative or something no no no just just a strange coincidence

[00:06:35] yeah but the Health Department told us look any to any place you have or homeless people are congregating you’re

[00:06:42] going to have a lot more hepatitis A we had people feeding the homeless in the park so these are well-meaning folks

[00:06:49] yeah mostly churches yeah they were coming in and feeding the people the parts but they would bring their boxes

[00:06:54] and they will put the boxes of food down in the grass which was contaminated the homeless would be sitting in the grass

[00:06:59] with their hands on the grass which was contaminated then putting the hands in their mouths and handing food to each other and we realized that

[00:07:07] we were one of the teeth as hepatitis a emergency seriously we needed to temporarily stop the feeding of the

[00:07:13] homeless in the parks this made absolute sense to us I saw no reason not to do it

[00:07:19] but the organized left became very focused on this because as you said

[00:07:25] other cities have tried to stop the feeding of the homeless for various reasons yeah and they’ve challenged that

[00:07:31] in court and it’s a big battle line for the pro homeless the pro homeless rights

[00:07:37] groups so they weren’t gonna give an inch on this very similar to the abortion debate yeah now now I just want

[00:07:43] to clarify for our listeners it’s not as if you’re a quote anti homeless right I mean your own testimony speaks to uh

[00:07:50] what you’ve been through as a person too and so explain to us what when you say

[00:07:55] Pro homeless what’s the I mean where aren’t we both Pro homeless in a sense

[00:08:01] well that’s a good point on there is an organized group of folks that are Pro homeless rights and so

[00:08:10] these are the same people that like every year California tries to pass a homeless Bill of Rights which would say

[00:08:15] that cities have to allow people to put tents up on sidewalks they have to allow people to sleep wherever they want to

[00:08:22] sleep they have to pay for bathrooms every thousand feet so that that the homeless can use them and basically it’s

[00:08:28] this kind of permissive concept that people have a right to do anything they want they can sleep wherever they want

[00:08:34] they can commit any crimes they want to commit to a degree and that’s really the road that California has been going down

[00:08:41] and okay so this is a a left versus cut or or a liberal versus conservative kind

[00:08:47] of position in this instance yes I mean I I think you’re right I think most

[00:08:53] people have opinions on homelessness that have nothing to do with ideology hmm but the organized left I’m talking

[00:09:01] about the Occupy Wall Street – yeah and Tifa type yeah the black

[00:09:06] lives matter type folks these are the folks that are really focused on it and

[00:09:12] it’s a seminal issue for them yeah and so that I think that’s an important

[00:09:17] distinction is because both Conservatives and Lib in a sense would call themselves Pro homeless but that the question isn’t pro

[00:09:25] people exactly we’re Pro people but what we’re trying to do is conservatives

[00:09:30] generally have one view about how we can best help these people versus another group that says hey the best way you can

[00:09:36] help them is keep letting them live on the streets yeah first off I want to say it from the beginning that the concept

[00:09:45] of trying to help people live on the streets is one of the most backwards

[00:09:50] cruel concepts I could possibly imagine oh yeah most people who are living on the streets are deeply involved in drug

[00:09:56] and alcohol addiction and by the way I say this because I’ve spent my adult

[00:10:02] life in mental health I’m a doctor of psychology I have an RN I’ve worked in emergency rooms for the past 25 years

[00:10:09] doing psychiatric evaluations I think I’ve seen about 75,000 people Wow most

[00:10:16] of those well I was at most many of those were homeless and so you know what

[00:10:21] you’re talking about this isn’t just somebody you know just coming up with an idea on their own you you having no I do

[00:10:27] Drive I do drug screens on every person that comes into the hospital asking for psychiatric intervention okay you ask

[00:10:32] any ER doctor any cop any firefighter how much drug use is in the homeless

[00:10:38] population they will tell you it’s probably about 90 to 100 percent somewhere in that line whereas most of

[00:10:45] the national homeless organizations will tell you it’s something more like 25 or

[00:10:50] 30 percent there’s a lot of reasons for that but going back to my original point trying to find ways to validate the

[00:10:59] homeless lifestyle and say as if it’s a good thing say hey you know any way you

[00:11:04] want to live is great well it’s not great you know I’ll give you uh since I

[00:11:09] have more time to talk than I usually do on some ways I’m gonna give you an analogy okay you’re a father right yeah

[00:11:15] so one of your kids comes to you and says dad here’s the deal I I don’t want this lifestyle that that

[00:11:21] you’re pushing on me I’d like to use crystal meth and I’d like to prostitute

[00:11:28] myself out and all I need is 1,500 bucks a month and you promise to leave me

[00:11:33] alone to say nothing to me and just let me do whatever I want to do hey does it if you say yes to that does

[00:11:40] that make you a good father or a bad for you obviously bad well I would agree with you but that’s what the United

[00:11:47] States government is doing if you come to the United States government you say I don’t want to live by your rules I don’t want a job I don’t I don’t want a

[00:11:53] house I don’t want to be clean and sober I like to use a lot of drugs and alcohol

[00:11:58] and I’d like to sleep on the streets and I’d like to abuse the hospital system

[00:12:03] you argue that’s government says fine we’ll give you Social Security SSI yeah

[00:12:10] $1,000 a month for that get another four to eight hundred dollars a month in food stamps you can make the rounds of the

[00:12:15] psychiatric hospitals and come in and out all day long we will let you put tents on the streets and we’ll let you

[00:12:21] sleep in the parcel let you do whatever you want the only rules that we have are never get a job because as soon as you

[00:12:26] get a job we’ll take everything from you that is nuts and I cannot imagine a more

[00:12:31] cruel horrible thing to do to our citizens to subject them to a life of

[00:12:37] slavery really oh yeah absolutely and I’ve been down I’ve gone with ministries actually to feed the poor there’s a

[00:12:43] Jesus cares ministry downtown and these people are living in horrible horrible conditions it’s not as if this is some

[00:12:49] fun free-for-all either and if to encourage that behavior is absolutely awful so my guest today is bill wells he’s the

[00:12:57] mayor of El Cajon he’s also a doctor he’s a psychiatrist psychologist

[00:13:03] psychiatrist psychologist psychologist and he’s worked extensively with the

[00:13:08] poor so we’re going to be right back and continue this discussion about how do we solve the problem of poverty we’ll be

[00:13:14] right back stay with us [Music]

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[00:15:35] okay well we’re back I’m your host Kevin Conover you’re on educate for life radio and we are now streaming live so you can

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[00:15:59] books that God wanted in the Bible all those questions that people have are asking today my guess is Bill wells he

[00:16:07] is a psychologist and also the mayor of El Cajon and El Cajon was in the news recently really all over the world we’ve

[00:16:14] got the Russians reporting on it the BBC and a bunch of national news outlets and

[00:16:20] also our local news outlets I’m reading from the Union Tribune here it says here there are dozens of churches and

[00:16:27] charities that distribute food regularly in the city of San Diego where according to a street count last January almost 62

[00:16:33] percent of the county’s 9,000 116 homeless congregate of this 5,000 619

[00:16:40] people counted as homeless in the city 3231 of them were unsheltered sleeping

[00:16:45] in parks or canyons on the sidewalk in their cars and it looks like we’re actually seeing a bit of an increase in

[00:16:52] the homeless and if you didn’t catch last segment there was a actually on

[00:16:57] hepatitis A outbreak that was the government was warning people about and so you know Bill was saying hey we don’t

[00:17:04] want spread hepatitis A around so they shut down feeding the poor now in Matthew 25:35 it says this is Jesus

[00:17:11] talking it says for I was hungry and you gave me food I was thirsty and you gave me drink I was a stranger and he

[00:17:17] welcomed me and so of course as Christians we have a heart for those who are struggling who are living on the

[00:17:23] streets a good friend of mine just bought a whole bunch of sleeping bags for homeless people I myself have been

[00:17:29] downtown feeding the hungry took my my son down there actually because I wanted to give him an example and a model of

[00:17:37] loving others in a practical way that he could do that and so there’s a difficult thing here where

[00:17:43] we’re compassionate towards the homeless but at the same time sometimes when you think you’re helping people you might

[00:17:49] actually be doing them a disservice and so bill I wanted to talk a little bit more about that so what is what is the

[00:17:55] practical solution here you’ve seen you’ve dealt with you know thousands of homeless and is there a long-term

[00:18:04] solution here is there a better way to go about this then then feeding people in the parks what are your thoughts on

[00:18:09] that well first off the reason we ask people to stop feeding the park was because of hepatitis yeah and there were

[00:18:14] still over a dozen places a day where people go to go to get meals so we were never saying don’t feed the poor and

[00:18:20] we’re perfectly happy that people are willing to come out and like the East County transitional living center

[00:18:26] yeah gives away five hundred thousand meals a year so we’re pretty excited so it’s not as if the parks the only place

[00:18:32] to get food for them no there were there were over a dozen places plus all the restaurants that they EBT cards I mean there was multiple

[00:18:39] places for people to get food and frankly anybody that was feeding homeless people in the park could just go to their local church kitchen or some

[00:18:46] other place to feed the they were only going to the park as was convenient for the homeless people to congregate there so and by the way it was only a

[00:18:53] temporary ban yeah that was linked to the emergency and as soon as the emergency was lifted which was yesterday

[00:18:58] we lifted our ban okay so that bans all left today that’s done I’d say yeah you know so I just I

[00:19:04] just want to kind of get away from the rhetoric of saying we’re trying to stop people from feeding the homeless I’m not

[00:19:09] at all we’re we were trying to stop people from spreading a disease yeah yeah absolutely I think you asked

[00:19:16] another question what’s the solution yeah because I mean do we have yeah everybody’s wrestling with this I mean

[00:19:22] it’s a big it’s a big deal and everybody’s like you know you like you said you’ve got some people saying hey let’s just let them live there I mean I

[00:19:28] believe up in Seattle Washington they actually have whole homeless parks with gigantic tent communities and

[00:19:34] that’s that’s definitely not the answer yeah look my feelings of this have evolved because over the past few months

[00:19:42] PI over six months for some reason I’ve kind of become the face of this yeah and so I’ve done a lot of research and study

[00:19:49] I’m coming to the conclusion that’s there’s a program that idea called supportive housing

[00:19:54] and this is where cities every city builds some supportive housing in their

[00:20:01] community a place where people are gonna go for free yeah but it’s not a temporary shelter it’s not a tent it’s

[00:20:08] not a place where people come in for a day and then they leave and then they wander around all day and they come back at night it’s actually a small very

[00:20:15] small little apartment where somebody can live and they can expect to live there as long as they need that and the

[00:20:21] reason we have to do that is because if you want to be completely honest about it this is where it’s important for us

[00:20:28] to be realistic about the drug abuse yeah if you take all the people that are drug dependent and have really destroyed

[00:20:36] their brains because methamphetamines is the main drug and that destroys brains and the people that are mentally ill

[00:20:42] that are in the homes community a lot of those people are never gonna be okay no

[00:20:47] matter what you do they’re not gonna be able to get jobs and they’re not going to be able to pay for rent and you have

[00:20:54] two choices you can either let them sleep on the street or you could find some supportive housing for them so at

[00:21:00] least they’re clean and they’re dry and they’re they’re doing something and

[00:21:06] interestingly enough the city of Houston did this reduce their homeless

[00:21:11] population from 11,000 to 3,000 oh that’s incredible and did a study and found out that they

[00:21:17] saved on average 15,000 dollars a year by having them in housing now how’s that how does that work because if you’re a

[00:21:24] homeless guy you’re you’re going to be going you get your check on on the 1st

[00:21:30] of the month you’re gonna spend it on drugs and this is very country as people were screaming at me for saying this but

[00:21:36] you’re spending on drugs and then when you run out of drugs you’re gonna be tired and you need a break you go to a

[00:21:42] psychiatric hospital you say I’m suicidal they really there’s no there’s no test for that so we have to admit them they

[00:21:47] spent three days in the hospital they get out they go on another few days they come back they go to the next

[00:21:52] psychiatric hospital and say I’m suicidal and they make the rounds until the first of the month again when they get pain again and then they have

[00:21:58] another big binge on drugs and it’s just a repetitive cycle every time somebody comes into the hospital we’ve got a

[00:22:04] we’ve got to admit them we get there treating them for free yeah we gotta do full battery of tests and we’re gonna do

[00:22:10] MRI so we’re gonna do all kinds of things because that’s what we have to do yeah in the hospital and it’s just well

[00:22:18] let me give you example most police departments are deciding that the amount

[00:22:24] of time that they spend dealing with the homeless is about 30 to 35 percent of their time oh I had no idea that’s

[00:22:29] unbelievable my city spends 17 million dollars a year on its Police Department now we spent do you you can just

[00:22:35] extrapolate what 35 percent of 17 million dollars yeah what is that yeah 17 17 million times what you say 35

[00:22:42] percent yeah so 17 million times 0.35 so if but you know you look at a city

[00:22:51] like San Diego so you’re looking at five million 950,000 just for the small city of El Cajon I mean and San Diego’s got to be twenty

[00:22:58] times out huh oh yeah San Diego County’s three million city of San Diego yeah yeah about a million so they’re there

[00:23:05] ten times so there let’s just say that their police budget is 150 million thatthat seems it’s all mind boggling

[00:23:13] yeah you’re looking at if they’re 10 times and they’re at 50 million whoa

[00:23:19] what a waste of money exactly yeah so and you’re not really ultimately you’re not even helping them

[00:23:25] by by putting them in this cycle where they’re just binging on drugs it’s a terrible yeah they die early and

[00:23:32] they get assaulted they get raped I mean it’s it’s up what were you saying about the criminals you were saying something

[00:23:38] a large percentage of the homeless are actually former criminal this is another

[00:23:43] reason why it’s so political yeah because if you look at homelessness and the real reasons for homelessness yeah a

[00:23:49] lot of it has to do with the liberal decisions that states like California have made in California in their liberal

[00:23:56] attempt to try to be nice to everybody yeah is saying hey if you’re in prison

[00:24:01] you probably you know a lot of those people are probably they’re unjustly so let’s rig the system let’s change the

[00:24:08] way laws are dealt with and let’s decriminalize things so that that a lot of people are let out let out of prison

[00:24:15] early and so there were new laws that came out within the last five years that released a huge

[00:24:21] of prisoners in San Diego County it’s about 8,000 people last year were

[00:24:26] released from the prisons back into it back into society without serving their

[00:24:32] prison sentences and about 10% of those people became homeless well or no I’m

[00:24:39] sorry and that’s not quite right enough of those people became homeless that about 10% of the homeless population are

[00:24:44] now criminals that’s the proper statistic so you have all these people living on the streets congregating together that yeah so that yeah so this

[00:24:51] concept that that a homeless person is probably a regular guy that lost his job

[00:24:57] and you know slipped into poverty and oh the poor guy and now he’s homeless and

[00:25:02] all he needs is a clean suit and a place to take a shower and he’ll go out and get a job that’s not it’s just not true

[00:25:10] yes there’s a lot of criminals in this drug addicts and it’s a violent nasty

[00:25:15] horrible way to live thank you my guest today is bill wells and I’m so privileged to have him on the air today

[00:25:21] he is an expert on the issue of homeless yes both because he’s a mayor in El

[00:25:27] Cajon and also because he is a psychologist who’s dealt with many many homeless and so stay tuned we’re also

[00:25:32] going to talk about his personal story and how he integrates his Christian faith with his public service as a mayor

[00:25:38] we’re gonna be right back [Music]

[00:25:44] hi this is Jason hall president of team home loans a branch of synergy one

[00:25:49] lending I just want to take this opportunity to thank Kevin Kahn over for the profound impact he’s had on mine and

[00:25:55] my wife’s spiritual life as well as being an incredible teacher while our kids were his students his knowledge and

[00:26:01] passion have taught us all how important it is to be defenders of our faith it’s our honor and privilege to support

[00:26:07] Kevin and his show is our sincere hope and prayer that you will continue to learn to be defenders of your faith

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[00:27:02] tuning in today I hope you’re enjoying the show I really am I’m learning a ton from bill wells the mayor of El Cajon and a psychologist and it’s an it’s

[00:27:10] amazing that sometimes you know you think you’re helping people but in fact you’re actually making the situation

[00:27:15] worse and you know in psychology and in counseling and so forth a lot of times

[00:27:21] they call it enable a person not to find solutions because

[00:27:26] you’re giving them an easy way out right sometimes with our kids we might make them worse students simply because we’re

[00:27:34] not challenging them to step up to the plate we’re giving them an easy way out and so we don’t want to do that we want

[00:27:39] to not just give a person a fish right we want to teach them how to fish and so bill I’m curious to know I want to give

[00:27:47] a shout out to Tony Clark I just saw he liked our video here Tony tony is the

[00:27:54] head of the RNC here and in San Diego fantastic guy and if you want to get

[00:27:59] involved with them please do we have an election coming up this is an election year so there’s going to be all kinds of

[00:28:05] people vote in making decisions and we want leaders that value you know family

[00:28:11] values and our judeo-christian heritage and you know that’s a big part of the reason I like Bill I heard I heard him

[00:28:16] share his testimony one year and I was blown away just how passionate he was about Jesus Christ and his faith in

[00:28:23] Jesus Christ and he talked about how Christ have changed his life and I thought I asked bill if it would be okay

[00:28:29] to talk about that on the air here and so bill I thought you know let’s pick up here you do have a passion for the

[00:28:34] homeless I mean you’ve dedicated your life to helping people and counseling and then now you’re the mayor you’re a public servant and so maybe

[00:28:41] you could take us back to you know how you got started you grew up in a family that was not Christian and just share

[00:28:47] with us and you know your background yeah actually I grew up in a theistic

[00:28:52] household my family was about as dysfunctional as as people get you grew

[00:28:58] up in the San Diego era area over by Rolando area oh wow I used to live over

[00:29:03] there and my dad died when I was 8 he was an alcoholic he committed suicide

[00:29:09] and my mom had problems coping with life after that and pretty much grew up on my

[00:29:16] own and we lived in poverty and did you have brothers and sisters I had one sister okay and you know I’m

[00:29:23] not gonna tell you that it was horrible I didn’t really even realize that I was

[00:29:28] living in poverty at the time it seemed like how everybody was living yeah we lived in a poor neighborhood and and

[00:29:34] interestingly enough for me my mom made a really good decision when I was about

[00:29:39] 13 she moved us to Rancho Bernardo and I think she thought I was gonna end up in prison and she probably was right yeah

[00:29:45] yeah and when I got to Rancho Bernardo it just changed my my life because now

[00:29:52] most of in Rolando a lot of my friends kids dads were in prison or on their way

[00:29:58] to prison or and now I was meeting kids and all their dads were CEOs and CFOs and totally broadened your perspective

[00:30:05] on what life was supposed to be like well it did they gave me a lot more options and I remember talking to people

[00:30:11] than saying what college you’re going to go to and I was completely mystified I said I gotta go to college it’s just not

[00:30:19] even not even possible yeah and it was during that period of time that a friend

[00:30:25] of Mines father reached out to me and started talking to me about God about

[00:30:31] Jesus and Christianity and I I you know I said hey you know I’m not I’m not interested in that

[00:30:36] yeah how old were you in that when that happened 16 yeah okay 16 and but you

[00:30:43] know God was working on on me at that time and I was reading a lot I’ve always been a voracious reader and I was at the

[00:30:51] same time meeting with mr. Brewster and he was explaining to me who God was and the

[00:30:57] nature of God he was really showing me because even though he was dying of a disease that’s why he was home he he was

[00:31:05] home because he was sick yeah he was a happy guy he was he was just so upbeat and so intelligent I often times thought

[00:31:11] that Christians were a little soft in the head yeah yeah you know do very very

[00:31:16] pedantic not not big thinkers yeah and he was the biggest thinker I’d ever met he had he was an author he had been a

[00:31:23] pastor being a pilot he had done all kinds of really really interesting things he was an attorney yeah and and

[00:31:30] he just showed me a different way to look at things and I I really looking

[00:31:35] back on it years later that feel that for whatever reason the god of the universe decided that I was worth going

[00:31:42] after and he sent somebody after me yeah brought me back into the fold I was so I’m very pleased and thankful that

[00:31:48] that happened so when did you accept Christ at what point did you just did you turn your life over to Christ well if it was a sin stage as I was 17 when I

[00:31:57] made the decision yeah and then I kind of thought well I can just continue to live it yeah the way I always lived

[00:32:02] before and it was probably when I was I think 29 that III know I had been saved

[00:32:09] yeah but when I was 29 where I finally remember getting on my knees and saying God I’ll do it your way not my way yeah

[00:32:16] yeah so there’s the justified and then the sanctified right there’s the we accept the Lord we know the Lord we

[00:32:21] admit that he’s right and were wrong but then it’s a process of God working in our lives and that’s pretty much our

[00:32:26] whole lives you know he’s working working in us and helping us to be more like Christ so that’s really cool so

[00:32:33] tell us about you know how did you end up getting involved and feeling like

[00:32:40] that you were called to become the mayor because that’s a really big deal to is you’re saved and you got into psychology

[00:32:48] so what led you up to deciding that you wanted to pursue political office well

[00:32:53] it’s really interesting I I never really expected that at all and I’m not gonna

[00:33:01] go into it completely sure but I was a I had a really nice life I had two I developed a pretty nice life it became a

[00:33:07] hospital illustrator and I opened up a research company and between those two things I

[00:33:13] was making a great living and I was living up and in Alpine and they had a big house and a couple really nice cars

[00:33:19] and I was living the American dream yeah and I had some trouble and I felt

[00:33:25] unjustifiably and I kind of got on the wrong side of the government and I got pulled in the court and I thought no

[00:33:31] problem because I’m completely in the right here yeah so you know why any of

[00:33:36] my attorney said yeah yeah you’re you’re in the right yeah it’s gonna be fine sure I was not fine the government took

[00:33:42] everything from me I lost my house my business fell apart which was not the government’s fault but at the same time

[00:33:48] I think God was was just tearing me down at that point my my business fell apart I lost my job at the hospital I had this

[00:33:56] 5,000 square-foot house we had to sell it I ended up moving into a 800 square foot apartment and everything was taken

[00:34:04] from me all that had to be devastating for you I was so upset and so angry that I decided that you know what I’m gonna

[00:34:12] do something positive with this I decided to run for office because I wanted to make sure that people were not

[00:34:18] taken advantage of by government not rolled over by go yeah and that has been my my mantra since I’ve been in

[00:34:25] government to be a protector of the people and protect them from government yeah because I think government can be a

[00:34:31] wonderful thing but I think it can be an onerous thing as well absolutely wow

[00:34:37] that’s a that’s an amazing testimony and body weight yeah God redeemed every part of that I got everything back I’m living

[00:34:44] a great life this is like the story a job here right I did feel kind of like ya know Boyles but well that’s good

[00:34:52] well we’re coming up on a break here so my guest today is bill wells and just all-around awesome guy who really just

[00:34:59] cares about people and loves the Lord and has been impacted by Christ and is

[00:35:05] now returning that what Christ has done to him returning that to others too so

[00:35:10] great guys stay with us we’re gonna hear more of his story and how his faith affects his politics we’ll be right back

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[00:37:32] okay welcome back to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover thanks for tuning in today I hope you’re enjoying

[00:37:38] the program I am I’m having a great time here we’re down in the studio KPRC studios and my guest today is bill wells

[00:37:44] he is the mayor of El Cajon also a psychologist he has an amazing testimony grew up in a family that where his

[00:37:51] father actually committed suicide at eight years old so he has a very compassionate heart for those who are

[00:37:56] growing up in families that are struggling and just trying to survive and he brings that into his politics

[00:38:03] into his the decisions that he makes and so bill I wanted to pick up where we left off you you talked about how your

[00:38:12] life had been turned upside down the government essentially came in and with a variety of other factors really took

[00:38:17] everything you had built and then you had to start over from scratch and you ended up deciding to get involved in

[00:38:24] politics you’re here now the mayor so you know I think a lot of people especially people that are involved in

[00:38:30] public service they’re maybe they’re working in a government office somewhere one of the big things that comes up in

[00:38:36] their mind all the time is separation of church and state and people hear this and they’re afraid hey I’ve gotta be

[00:38:42] careful about you know taking my Christianity into the government or

[00:38:47] allowing my Christianity influence the way I make decisions in government and I

[00:38:53] wanted to hear your perspective on that because a lot of people they they feel like they need some guidance they’re you know what what is appropriate what is

[00:38:59] constitutional what is morally responsible you know well I think a lot of that is fairly unsophisticated type

[00:39:06] of thinking in the sense of of course I can’t go set up a theocracy yeah I can’t

[00:39:14] go set up the kind of government where people are judged by biblical principles that’s I don’t have the right to do that

[00:39:21] because this is a nation foreign of the people and there’s a lot of people who live here that don’t believe that yeah and so they shouldn’t be held by those

[00:39:27] standards just like I don’t want to be held by a Sharia law type standard absolutely yeah but telling me that I

[00:39:34] can’t be a believer I shouldn’t be a believer I shouldn’t pray or that I shouldn’t use my my thinking

[00:39:41] the brain that God gave me in the decisions that I make is is ridiculous oh it’s like saying leave your spleen at

[00:39:47] the door when you come when you comes in the city hall I God is not an abstract

[00:39:53] concept to me God is the creator of the universe God is the person that I have a

[00:39:59] personal relationship and I I know people don’t like to hear that but I I absolutely I don’t believe in God I know

[00:40:05] God exists yeah it’s it’s a knowledge now I know that there’s a lot of people that don’t have that knowledge and I

[00:40:11] don’t push that on people I I never talk about Jesus or God in the in the council

[00:40:16] meetings yeah you’re not trying to convert people to Christianity there oh not at all and I’m I understand the need

[00:40:23] to keep things in their perspective boxes yeah but I also think the the left

[00:40:32] the people that are against this go too far with this and you know well they try

[00:40:37] to make the the point that well if somebody prays about a decision they’re

[00:40:42] going to make that’s ridiculous and we should laugh at that person I’m all that that’s that’s so contrary to our all of

[00:40:51] our American history oh yeah all of our presidents including liberal icons like

[00:40:56] Roosevelt talked about I remember listening to President Roosevelt asking

[00:41:01] the entirety of America to pray yeah on d-day yeah you know and say pray for our

[00:41:06] boys that that that our side wins so III

[00:41:12] think that a lot of this church and state stuff is a red herring mhm and and

[00:41:17] that people use that as just another way to bash conservatives and the

[00:41:22] specifically bash people of faith yeah well yeah I know I the First Continental Congress actually opened in prayer they

[00:41:29] actually had a Bible study I mean I I’ve looked into this myself pretty thoroughly and I’m always discouraged

[00:41:35] when somebody seems to think that they have to leave God out of the issues I mean when it all comes down really our

[00:41:42] compassion for the homeless our compassion for those in poverty is driven by the fact that Christ himself

[00:41:48] said hey when you feed somebody you’re feeding me when you give somebody a couple cold water you’re giving me a cup of

[00:41:53] cold water and without that well really you live in a moral kind of vacuum

[00:41:59] meaning morality becomes whatever you want it to be there’s no guiding principle and I’ll give you I’ll go even

[00:42:05] a little bit further and say a little bit more one of the things I think is really wrong with politics and this is

[00:42:11] on both sides of the aisle is that people get really excited about being an elected official and you know you get

[00:42:17] elected you have a lot of ideals before you left and then you get a light that you say oh I like this you know yeah people say yes mr. mayor no mr. mayor

[00:42:23] and they’d bring a cup of coffee and they treat you differently it’s not it’s pretty nice yeah and so they start

[00:42:29] saying they’re getting start getting defensive and saying I’m not gonna say anything that’s gonna set anybody so they it’s everything is right down the

[00:42:35] middle of the road I’m not gonna take a stand on anything I’m gonna be or you know just so you can’t really tell how I

[00:42:42] think about anything I think that’s completely wrong and I will tell people anybody who asked

[00:42:47] me I would say I am a Christ follower that’s me yeah and if you don’t like

[00:42:53] that you have every right and opportunity to vote me out of office but I’ve been open about this and my

[00:42:59] consultants have gone crazy and told me what are you doing but don’t say things like that my you know and other people

[00:43:05] tell me you know you should really keep that you know on the down low on that well the first time I was elected to

[00:43:14] City Council in 2008 I then got appointed the mayor and then I ran for mayor again four years ago and with all

[00:43:21] these things out in the open and that’s including me doing prayer meetings every

[00:43:26] January first on the first thing we did is is a solid ad yeah we we acknowledge

[00:43:31] God and say you know I’m sorry I’m not helix not solid at about a helix yeah the first thing we do on New Year’s Day

[00:43:37] is acknowledge God and say I want God’s blessing on the city we pray for the city people knowing that I got 84% of

[00:43:45] the vote so I all I’m saying is that I think people are okay with authenticity

[00:43:51] yeah I don’t think people are as hostile to our religion and our belief system is as

[00:43:57] people would like to say if you listen to Hollywood they it’s like God doesn’t even exist yeah any if you’re a Christian you’re

[00:44:04] just like nutcake but i think average folks are okay with a person of faith yeah and

[00:44:11] even if they don’t completely believe that themselves and it doesn’t offend them it doesn’t frighten them and they’re certainly willing to vote for

[00:44:17] somebody like I think Mike Pence is an example of that yeah and several other people absolutely yeah I for me it was inspiring and

[00:44:23] encouraging to hear you be so open you know when I got to hear you at the prayer breakfast the mayor’s prayer

[00:44:28] breakfast and everything sharing your thoughts and your feelings and everything it’s nice to hear somebody that’s not trying to pretend there’s

[00:44:34] somebody that they’re not you know because you get used to people like you said they’re trying not to offend anybody so what ends up happening is

[00:44:40] they just become this person who’s not really who they they are and so you

[00:44:45] don’t get to see them you know for who they really are and so I really value that and appreciate that I think it’s

[00:44:51] fantastic so as far as the future is concerned this is an election year so you’re

[00:44:58] running for office so how can people who want to support you get involved with the mayoral race and these sorts of

[00:45:04] things well if you go to my website vote bill Wells com

[00:45:09] obviously I’m a Republican and so if you want to be involved in the Republican

[00:45:14] Party I think that’s the right way to go and by the way I’d like to encourage people not only to vote but to run for

[00:45:21] office you know when I first started thinking about running for office I was really frightened by the concept because

[00:45:27] I honestly figured people that were in elected office were smarter than me and more successful than me and had so much

[00:45:34] more going on and that I would show up at the Republican Party and say I’d like to Ronna they’d say okay well you know

[00:45:40] you can stuff some effort yeah we we’ve got pros there that are running for

[00:45:45] office yeah but that wasn’t the case at all people were very open to me and

[00:45:52] there’s so many spots that need leadership there’s so many you know I Tony Cooper I can tell you this but

[00:45:58] there are still many many spots much more than you would think that go unchallenged Democrats just take it yeah

[00:46:06] they just they they come and they pay the filing fee and they win they win the election yeah I saw this in the election

[00:46:11] about two years ago where I was looking at it and they were like it’s almost I think it was actually over a hundred

[00:46:16] seats that were up for grabs and literally nobody was running for office yeah and some some of

[00:46:24] them are they’re not the exciting seats they’re no they’re the water board’s yeah and the School Board sees but you

[00:46:30] know the more I’m involved in government the more I realize everything is counter-intuitive yeah the things that

[00:46:37] you the offices that don’t seem important make huge decisions yeah and sometimes officers like president don’t

[00:46:43] affect your life that much yeah and you don’t you don’t realize that sometimes as God’s moving you know you used it the

[00:46:50] Bible says be faithful in the little things and I will give you much and so sometimes it’s like you said starting

[00:46:55] off on the water working for the water district or whatever it might be so if you want to run for office people out there I would

[00:47:01] I would seriously consider doing it because it’s it’s a great ministry it’s it’s really important and that’s fantastic and so if you’re interested

[00:47:08] you can check that out on the RNC here in San Diego County we’ve been talking

[00:47:13] about Tony Kubek quite a few times here so he’s the guy to reach out to and and we have are we we’re on segment four or

[00:47:22] five we’re on for okay so we have one more segment left Jordan here is helping me out keeping me on track and we’re

[00:47:29] gonna be back we’re gonna talk a little bit more with Bill wells what we’ve been talking about is his testimony where he came from how he came from an atheist

[00:47:35] background and then he accepted the Lord and also the whole poverty issue there were this big huge uproar over the

[00:47:42] temporary you know they wanted to prevent people from getting hepatitis A and and then we’ve been talking about

[00:47:49] his Christian faith and how it integrates in politics so stay with us we got one more segment left if you have

[00:47:54] comments or questions and you’d like to reach out please do so you can you can message me on Facebook or just comment

[00:48:01] on the live stream there and I’ll pick those questions up and we can if you have something for Bill Wells you want to ask them this is a great opportunity

[00:48:07] to talk to the mayor so stay with us we’re going to be right back

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[00:50:06] you are interested in really understanding the Bible you want answers for example why does the Bible talk

[00:50:13] about slavery in the Old Testament some people say hey it looks like God is really mean in the Old Testament he wipes out all the Canaanites what’s

[00:50:19] going on there well I’ve got answers for you really good solid answers if you have questions about world religions for

[00:50:26] example how do we know the Bible is true and Islam is not or the Bible is true and what about Buddhism all this stuff I

[00:50:31] have a whole online school of apologetics apologetics is the Greek word for defend and love to have you

[00:50:37] check that out my guest today is Bill Wells we’ve been having a fantastic time talking here and I just really encourage you to get

[00:50:44] involved with voting this year it is an election year it’s coming up here in

[00:50:50] November and we want to reelect Bill wells he has been a fantastic mayor compassionate person knows tons about

[00:50:59] government running government how to make good decisions he’s a psychologist run his own business for a long time

[00:51:06] fantastic guy if you yourself want to run for office please get involved and

[00:51:11] run we need more people to get involved to make a difference and to make good

[00:51:16] decisions and Bill that’s what I wanted to talk to you about this last segment you know when there’s a quote by Edmund

[00:51:22] Burke it says all that’s necessary for for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing and you know in the book of

[00:51:30] James it says he who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it it is sin for him and so so I’m just wondering you

[00:51:36] know what are some of the laws that are being passed because there aren’t good people making decisions well here in

[00:51:43] California and San Diego you know well if people really want to do something about homelessness start in Sacramento

[00:51:48] and start yelling and screaming at your state senators and your assembly people and not necessarily the ones in the East

[00:51:55] County because they’re trying to help you but these really really liberal senators and Assembly people are making

[00:52:02] laws that most people have no idea and they would be very frightened if they knew that that was the case I’ll give

[00:52:08] you an example yeah I had 7-eleven owners in my office a couple of months ago just screaming at me because

[00:52:14] the homeless people were coming into their their 7-elevens taking coffee and

[00:52:20] some food and whatever they wanted and going and just walking out and the clerk’s would yell at them and say hey you got to put that back in the say you

[00:52:26] know what call the police I don’t care and they would actually sit on the stoop and and eat their food and wait for the police the police will come and they the

[00:52:35] police would probably do nothing because there’s really nothing they could do if they felt really inclined they would

[00:52:40] write them a ticket they would say what’s your name the guy would say well I’m John Doe they say no what’s your real name say that’s my name is John Doe

[00:52:47] and they’d have to write him a ticket for that John Doe we’re just lying and and they because they’re not going to

[00:52:53] take him down to the courthouse so they’re gonna take me down to the jail because the jail will doesn’t want them they don’t they don’t want to book those

[00:52:58] people yeah and that anyway and why not why don’t they want to book those because they they would be overwhelmed

[00:53:03] there’s so many homeless people they would just be they would have to shut their doors and the DEA they don’t have

[00:53:09] the staff to start prosecuting people for that they the prison system doesn’t want them anyway cuz they’re pushing

[00:53:14] anybody out of the prisons so I went and talked to my chief of police and I said

[00:53:19] what’s going on and I just did some research I realized that the new laws that California have passed has allows

[00:53:25] you to steal up to 950 dollars and have it be a misdemeanor a only assignable

[00:53:31] offense so you get a ticket so you don’t even go to prison or anything no nothing so so what happens is the call most

[00:53:37] folks have figured out they can just take what they want up to 950 dollars with impunity and they just take whatever they want and people can do

[00:53:44] nothing about it and literally a police officer is going to give you a citation and say don’t do it again

[00:53:49] well yeah they give you a citation you’re supposed to store up the court but if you give it a fake name you’re not gonna go to court yeah and we and a

[00:53:56] lot of these people don’t it’s not like they have IDs on them or driver’s license so so you know it’s you know and

[00:54:02] I’m sure that there’s good intentions yeah in in Sacramento where they say oh we just we don’t want to put people in

[00:54:08] jail we there’s a better way to to deal with people who are breaking the law but

[00:54:13] there isn’t yeah and when you make permissive kinds of rules like just like

[00:54:19] if you told your kids eat whatever you want go to bed whenever you want I don’t care you’re a

[00:54:25] you know I you’re a a person should make their own decisions yeah I shouldn’t put my belief system on you what would your

[00:54:32] kids do what would your nine-year-old do it would be pop-tarts and Laffy Taffy and sodas and asleep at 2:00 in the

[00:54:39] morning cat cavities all over the place yeah I you know this is crazy

[00:54:45] and it’s like you’re saying you know the last interview we did I just interviewed

[00:54:50] also Dean Broyles and he is litigating or he’s doing a petition because in San

[00:54:57] Diego Unified School District they’re promoting a sexual IDI curriculum that actually promotes pornography they

[00:55:03] actually have pornography links in the curriculum and there’s this kind of stuff going on and if we don’t have

[00:55:08] people that are in office that are concerned about these things this is the kind of stuff that goes on and then you were telling me about there’s an

[00:55:15] increase in methamphetamine all right so this is this is really important this

[00:55:20] really affects every part of our life and it’s a huge part of the homeless issue because no matter what anybody

[00:55:26] will tell you most of the homeless people are using methamphetamines the reason is it’s really powerful it’s

[00:55:33] really cheap what happened how do they get access to that so easy so a few years ago methamphetamine used to be made back in

[00:55:38] trailer parks and back in the in the back country somebody would make in their bathtub and it was very low

[00:55:44] quality and there was a only a fair amount of it that was made so the cost wasn’t that or was cos was actually

[00:55:51] pretty high then the drug cartels decided about three years ago they wanted to be in that business and they

[00:55:58] built several huge industrial johnson and johnson type facilities where they

[00:56:03] made industrial-strength methamphetamines very high quality almost 100% pure very low price

[00:56:11] two-thirds less than what it used to cost and they flooded the american market with it specifically the border

[00:56:17] cities so people now can get methamphetamines at a very low price and

[00:56:24] they get very addicted very quickly and it destroys their brains they oftentimes become psychotic and they have to drop

[00:56:30] out of society you may have noticed there’s a difference in the kind of people you see being homeless now

[00:56:36] used to be when I was a kid a homeless guy was usually a you know that an older guy that would lay on the street and

[00:56:42] drink wine and have long hair and he’d be in his 50s to 70s and that’s what you

[00:56:48] normally thought of yeah now the homeless people are in their 20s and they’re they’re in their early 30s and

[00:56:54] they seem like they’re college kids and what happened was they got hooked on meth and they couldn’t function even in

[00:57:00] high school yes I I have I have two friends that are school counsellors they say there’s a huge increase in methamphetamine use in the high schools

[00:57:07] yeah and it’s it’s massive it makes a lot of people psychotic it destroys their brains and these people now are

[00:57:13] much more aggressive than more violent than we’re prone to commit crimes and

[00:57:18] it’s that’s why the homeless situation has seemed so much more difficult in the

[00:57:24] last 18 months than we’ve ever seen before and by the way El Cajon has seen about a

[00:57:29] 35% increase in homeless in the last 18 months but beach cities have seen between a hundred and a hundred and

[00:57:35] fifty percent increase in homelessness in the last 18 months Wow so this is not just your national

[00:57:41] city or your alcohol this is now gonna be La Jolla and Del Mar and Carlsbad and

[00:57:47] Coronado and places you would not expect and it I’m telling you that this problem

[00:57:54] is gonna be what we’re talking about for the next ten years it is the main problem that government has to face well

[00:57:59] bill I’m really grateful for you being on the air and just sharing this and I think it’s so important that these messages get out there and you know I

[00:58:05] that this is all actually if we trace it backwards I believe this is tied to our

[00:58:11] culture pushing the judeo-christian values out of society I believe that

[00:58:17] ultimately it comes back to that that the future generations they need to know the Lord they need to build their lives

[00:58:23] on a firm foundation there’s nothing like the Word of God Jesus Christ said he who hears my words and put two puts

[00:58:30] them into practice is like a man who built his house on rock and when those storms of life came that house stood

[00:58:36] firm but he who hears my words and doesn’t put them into the practice is like a man who built his house on sand

[00:58:41] when the storms came that house fell with a great boom but if they don’t even get to hear the word of God well then

[00:58:47] there’s nothing to build your life upon so bill thank you so much for your testimony that you shared us incredible so encouraging please vote

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[00:59:00] elections coming up in November and we’ll be back again next week and stay tuned follow my facebook page if you

[00:59:07] want to see upcoming interviews I’ve got all kinds of cool interviews coming up I’m going to be interviewing dr. Steve

[00:59:12] or Zack who has an evolutionist and a Christian creationist who has also a

[00:59:17] biologist next week and they’re going to be debating on the evidence for the truth of creation versus evolution so

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