I Can Only Imagine – Jon Erwin

[00:00:00] your host Kevin Conover bring your time

[00:00:06] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is educate for life toe RG there’s all kinds of

[00:00:12] resources on there that will help you there’s 40 online classes defending the truth of the Bible and my guest today is

[00:00:19] John Erwin if you’ve heard of the song I can only imagine what you probably have there’s a movie coming out that has a

[00:00:27] back story in the song it’s coming out this Friday March 16th and John is the

[00:00:32] co-writer and co-director of the movie John has his brother Andy they are a

[00:00:38] directing team that focuses on creating faith-based and inspirational feature films just a little bit of background on

[00:00:43] these guys in 2002 the Irwin brothers started their own production company they’ve produced and directed videos for

[00:00:49] platinum artists like Amy Grant michael w smith Casting Crowns Switchfoot’s skillet and others they’ve received 11

[00:00:55] nominations they’ve been honored with wins for music video of the Year at the GMA Dove Awards for three consecutive

[00:01:01] years in 2010 the Irwin brothers shifted their focus and began exclusively developing dramatic feature films their

[00:01:07] debut feature was released by Samuel Goldwyn it was October baby you’re probably familiar with that if you’ve a very

[00:01:14] popular Christian movie that came out talking about a girl who actually finds out that she her mother was thinking

[00:01:23] about aborting her she survived an abortion that opened as a top ten movie in America eventually earned more than 5

[00:01:29] million at the box office their second feature film was moms night out that was released in 2014 and then in 2015 they

[00:01:37] released Woodlawn a very powerful movie about segregation and then coming out

[00:01:43] this Friday March 16th as I can only imagine it’s their fourth feature film very exciting so John thanks thanks for

[00:01:50] being on the radio today thanks for having me on the show it’s just exciting you tell stories that matter you know

[00:01:57] and stories that are entertaining and emotionally relatable you know hopefully no matter what you believe but stories

[00:02:03] that showcase you know the gods transforming power and and the hope that

[00:02:10] is in the gospel and jazz the you know I can only imagine to me

[00:02:17] it’s just one of the more powerful stories we’ve ever come in contact with and of course it’s an incredible song

[00:02:22] that has touched touch millions of people I’m one of those people so it was an honor to get to be the ones to bring

[00:02:27] this story to life yeah it’s it’s phenomenal every time I hear that song it makes me want to cry so but yeah this

[00:02:35] my understanding is that this is the most listened to Christian radio song is

[00:02:43] it in history yeah actually soluble Laden video in history it’s the

[00:02:50] best-selling most played Christian song of all time and you know it really

[00:02:56] became an anomaly it went far beyond the Christian space in the pop and country charts and became the most requested

[00:03:01] song on many top 40 stations as well and I think the reason like I remember I

[00:03:06] fell in love with the song during a time of loss in our family and in our

[00:03:13] extended family was dealing with cancer and I probably imagine our dimes

[00:03:18] you know just dreaming in the world about pain and sorrow and death and and I think it became a you know a beacon of

[00:03:25] hope you know or an anthem of hope for me and and not me only for millions and

[00:03:30] millions of people around the world it’s been amazing to see yeah trailers so

[00:03:38] take us go ahead oh I was saying to cherish the film I’ve been viewed 130

[00:03:43] million times oh my witness loathes me away but on earth of thousands of comment and most

[00:03:49] of them are people sharing their stories like the one I just shared about myself with the song and so this is just a very

[00:03:54] sacred thing for many of us and and I think once people know the story behind

[00:04:00] the song it’ll make it that much more special that is so fantastic so tell us how did you how did you I’m curious how

[00:04:07] do you come up with you know the movies that you’ve chose you have October baby moms night out Woodlawn and now I can

[00:04:14] only imagine and they’re all very different movies how did you decide to

[00:04:19] do the movie I can only imagine when when was that going through your mind that hey I I think I want to make a movie about this you know for any

[00:04:27] it’s a very simple kind of test it just has to be a story that blows us away and

[00:04:33] blues us and and becomes like a splinter in our mind so if like if we can’t stop

[00:04:39] thinking about it that’s a good sign that we should be involved and for me I

[00:04:45] then my brother is good friends with with Bart who’s Lisa Murphy being and

[00:04:52] we’ve all become great friends but his students appreciates mine and they were talking about I think Bart was at a

[00:04:57] screening of mom’s I doubt and Bart said hey would you guys ever look at my story and and you know the studio has been

[00:05:05] developing it and Andy said you know it’s interesting they finished the script this morning and so she began to

[00:05:11] explore it and I remember said to me I know God is real because of the change I

[00:05:17] saw my dad he said I watched a monster turn into my best friend and then I wanted to become and God healed this

[00:05:23] broken relationship between a father and son and and that is the inspiration I

[00:05:30] only met don’t you know like you know he mentions AMA Evan we don’t know is it the Sun singing for his father and and

[00:05:38] it’s a relationship that was reconciled and to see Dennis Quaid portray that

[00:05:44] reconciliation is amazing I mean when he signed on to the project he said I’ve never played transformation on film like

[00:05:50] this before well and and you know to take a character this dramatically over

[00:05:56] the course of a film from from point A to point B he said this is amazing that these like this could happen and it began to change him it changed

[00:06:03] all of us really and and you know that’s the great message of this film is that

[00:06:08] you know no matter who you are no matter what you’ve done no matter I what is the

[00:06:14] status of a relationship in your life God can change anything I can change anyone god give your communion situation

[00:06:19] or any relationship and he can make beautiful things out of it even out of the pain that we go through it kind of

[00:06:24] becoming our inspiration with it for Bart and so just a very special story and and and it was when we found out how

[00:06:32] powerful the real story was that we decided to to make the film it wasn’t

[00:06:38] like we got to find a story because songs so popular hmm our love of the song brought us to the project the the

[00:06:46] nature of the story and how powerful it was is what brought the film to the street because it was just unbelievable

[00:06:52] you can write it if it didn’t really happen yeah and it’s gonna resonate I mean obviously it already has 100 130

[00:06:58] million views on the trailers alone and it’s gonna resonate with so many people who have those family relationships that

[00:07:03] are broken or painful or seem irreparable and yet here you have that

[00:07:09] testimony that’s that’s fantastic yeah it’s pretty cool to see you know just I

[00:07:16] think a lot of relationships are going to be restored as a result of the movie even in test screenings we’ve had all

[00:07:23] these reports of people finding there was one guy in Sioux Falls South Dakota that found his dad in the theater hadn’t

[00:07:31] eaten she was 14 years old kind of on Facebook and scheduled a meeting within the next day and records haven’t forgave

[00:07:38] him and and it kind of yield them both and I think forgiveness can really be

[00:07:44] the most powerful form of love but it takes a lot of courage sometimes and and so and I hope that the movie helps give

[00:07:51] that courage to people that need to take that stuff and forgive as they have been forgiven you know by God as the Bible

[00:07:57] says and that could be an incredible outpouring from this film and it’s so

[00:08:03] cool to watch I just have everything that we’ve done this is by far the most special and most powerful experience in

[00:08:10] the theatre dumb guys watch this movie that’s what I was going to ask you is that of all the all four films here

[00:08:16] you’ve done a lot of work here this one is the one that you feel the most excited about is that is that right yeah

[00:08:23] I mean all the films are special in their own way right but there’s just something magical about being in the

[00:08:30] theater watching this film with people it’s to hear them laugh and cry and Cheer and I would just get to space that

[00:08:39] special of a story I mean really as a filmmaker I was just stepping back and letting the story do its work in the performances do their work and that

[00:08:46] really is what makes this film shine but as an experience yeah to me it’s a leap

[00:08:52] forward and yeah I’ve loved all the other films that we’ve got to do Woodlawn I think it’s

[00:08:58] where we discovered the power of a true story there’s been tens of thousands of people who have come to Christ because

[00:09:04] Woodlawn mostly teenagers and I think just because you can’t argue with the truth

[00:09:10] when people see something that really happened I need that in my life and so I

[00:09:15] think that’s the power of a true story yeah but but with this one there’s just

[00:09:20] some sort of I don’t know there’s some something very very special emotionally

[00:09:25] it’s just a powerful and I think it comes back to I remember talking to Bart

[00:09:30] and saying what is the phenomenon that I can only imagine why would an independent Christian pan from Texas

[00:09:37] write the best-selling most the Christian song of all time and he said

[00:09:43] it’s a rushed hope and that’s that’s what drives it and I think that’s what

[00:09:48] you feel and I hope that’s what you feel when he asked the movie yeah absolutely it is in a much greater way that same

[00:09:54] rush of hope that you heard that you felt when you heard the song for the first time well my guest today is John

[00:09:59] Irwin he’s the co-director of I can only imagine you can check it out this Friday March 16th you can also go online and

[00:10:06] learn all about the movie the back story it’s at I can only imagine calm please take some time to look at it we’re gonna

[00:10:12] be right back and we’re gonna continue this discussion with John Irwin who has been producing movies and music videos

[00:10:19] ever since he was a kid with his brother and we’ll learn more about his story also stay with us we’ll be right back

[00:10:27] hi this is Jason hall president of team home loans a branch of synergy one

[00:10:32] lending I just want to take this opportunity to thank Kevin Kahn over for the profound impact he’s had on mine and

[00:10:38] my wife’s spiritual life as well as being an incredible teacher while our kids were his students his knowledge and

[00:10:43] passion have taught us all how important it is to be defenders of our faith it’s our honor and privilege to support Kevin

[00:10:50] and his show is our sincere hope and prayer that you will continue to learn to be defenders of your faith through

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[00:12:45] if you’re not aware if you’re in Southern California in May we’re gonna be having a big event on May 15th it’s

[00:12:51] meant to inspire Christians and education parents teachers administrators and students and our goal

[00:12:58] is to encourage you about your freedom to share your faith in schools and there’s so much freedom that we have

[00:13:04] that a lot of times we don’t aren’t aware of we’re gonna have an expert talking about it his name is Eric Brewer he’s with gateways to better education

[00:13:10] he’s an expert on the California State Education Code and he’s gonna tell you what’s legal and where the lines are

[00:13:16] that you don’t want to cross and it’s gonna be really just the time of encouragement and inspiration and just blessing we’re also gonna have Danny ray

[00:13:23] he’s a world famous illusionist who also shares the gospel he’s gonna be sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ and my guest

[00:13:28] today on the radio is John Erwin he is just about that their movie that they’ve been how long have you been working on

[00:13:34] this movie John this is the the end of a two-year journey for us and it’s been a

[00:13:40] it’s in the movie actually has been in development for longer than that the original producer Cindy bond there’s a

[00:13:46] wonderful friend and she’s a great true leader a champion of this first dreamed

[00:13:51] of an option the rights for the story about eight years ago oh my good a long time and development it’s been shorter

[00:13:56] for us yeah but but sometimes the key is just to never give up on what you believe then what so what does this week

[00:14:03] look like for you before the movie comes out oh you know well you know I for a

[00:14:09] filmmaker released week is a bundle of every emotion that you can imagine a combination of a presidential election

[00:14:15] and the Superbowl you know it’s it’s I heard someone say a filmmaker knows on Friday night whether the last two years

[00:14:21] of their life has been worth anything you know it’s so but the the the early

[00:14:26] indicators at least Thomas look really spectacular and and we’re very very

[00:14:33] honored and privileged again like Milan Woodlawn had about three million views

[00:14:38] of the trailer the trailers and liners these clips and everything and about 130

[00:14:43] mute views for a hundred thirty million views I should say for I can only imagine and so it’s just an enormous fan

[00:14:50] base but oh my those people that this song really test

[00:14:55] our light it’s gonna be fun we’re going to hop on the MercyMe buses they finished their tour yesterday and at least this stage of it and we’re

[00:15:02] going to drive all around we’re going to hit Oklahoma and Texas where the band is strong and Bart’s going to go to his

[00:15:07] home town will be facebooking live to all these screenings that we have this week and and it’s going to be a lot of

[00:15:14] fun and we’re gonna kind of do it it’s it’s a music movie so we’re gonna do our own tour yeah I had to open the film it

[00:15:20] could be a lot of fun that is yes so for those of you listening or streaming if you this song you know if I if I say a

[00:15:27] few of the lines from the song you’ll you’ll recognize it right away it says I can only imagine what it will be like

[00:15:33] when I walk by your side I can only imagine what my eyes will see when your face is before me I can only imagine I

[00:15:39] can only imagine surrounded by your glory what will my heart feel will I dance for you Jesus or an all you be

[00:15:45] still will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I fall and I I mean

[00:15:50] that song is so powerful and according to the stats for those of you listening

[00:15:57] Bart Millard he’s the lead singer of the Christian band Mercy Me he’s the one who wrote the song and what the movie is

[00:16:03] essentially showing us is that he actually wrote this song about his father who and correct me if I’m wrong

[00:16:10] John who who Heath he thought in a sense was beyond hope because his father was so

[00:16:17] messed up by alcohol but then his father accepted Christ and and it radically changed his life yeah yeah basically you

[00:16:25] know Bart in his own words says if there was someone that I thought you know

[00:16:30] could not be changed by the gospel it was my dad and yet it happened and God

[00:16:38] did change it and and that what a cool story what an amazing idea

[00:16:43] that God can change the unchangeable and when his dad found out he had cancer it

[00:16:48] woke him up spiritually and brought him to Christ and his kind of dying wish was to reconcile with his son and and the

[00:16:57] tables were turned in the sense and and the great scene in the movie where Dennis Quaid is is asking for

[00:17:05] and the decision to forgive involves a lot of courage sometimes and and Bart is

[00:17:12] wrestling with it it’s amazing to see these two actors going at it on screen but it was that forgiveness in that

[00:17:18] reconciliation that Redemption with their relationship that inspired the song so so at the BART set father’s

[00:17:26] funeral he said his grandmother said I can only imagine what he’s seeing up there and

[00:17:32] that really stuck with Bart and he and a journal every time you Gerald he would just write these words I can only imagine I can only imagine so finally he

[00:17:39] was in their tour bus and he was looking through his journal and it was on every page ha ha and it was just a sign that

[00:17:46] this is your song to sing you know and it was a song that touched the world and it’s just an amazing story and I think

[00:17:54] that you know there’s a father-son story it’s just incredibly relatable yeah incredibly rude because everybody so

[00:18:01] many of us have those struggles where we wanted more out of a relationship maybe with our father or we felt we wish it

[00:18:08] had been better and for whatever need for whatever reason God has put deep in our hearts this desire to be connected

[00:18:17] with our parents and in a lot of ways especially with our father and so yeah

[00:18:22] like you’re saying that’s really gonna affect us so yeah I agree revelation 21:4 says he will wipe away

[00:18:29] every tear from their eyes and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain for the former things

[00:18:34] have passed away in revelation 21:3 it says and I heard a loud voice from the

[00:18:39] throne saying behold the dwelling place of God is with man and he will live with them they will be his people and God

[00:18:45] Himself will be with them as their God so for those of you listening out there

[00:18:52] who have you know you’re struggling in your relationships maybe with your parents maybe that relationships not everything

[00:18:57] you were hoping it would be this is a great opportunity you know they say a

[00:19:03] picture’s worth a thousand words and a movie really just brings home everything

[00:19:08] we we’re hoping you know or striving for and I I’m so excited to see this movie

[00:19:13] I’m gonna see it right away and I think it’s gonna be a huge blessing John it special it’s a special special film yeah

[00:19:21] in a special date it comes out on 316 how cool is that you know I tell people I’m John and my movie opens on three

[00:19:27] sixteen how about that oh wow and the next time I am at next time no

[00:19:33] accident next time we just we just you know we knew the band’s tour ended on

[00:19:38] the 11th yeah we thought well that Sunday we’ll release on Friday and the next time Friday lands on the 16th of

[00:19:46] March lands on a Friday is 2029 so what a cool little detail and and another

[00:19:52] reminder of a Father’s love for us times and it’s so grand so yeah it’s pretty

[00:19:57] amazing detail and please everyone come out to the theaters this weekend it won’t disappoint you yeah and and it

[00:20:04] helps create something we call FOMO which is a cultural phenomenon fo mo it’s a fear of missing out and it drives

[00:20:12] culture today if we make it up noise we can get a generation back that this slipped away from the church a merry

[00:20:18] ASSA t yeah and family family is where it’s at you know I mean family is the cornerstone upon which God builds

[00:20:25] healthy communities and those families can only be healthy when they will revolve around Jesus Christ and so

[00:20:33] that’s what but big part of what you’re doing hey I have a question for you that’s a little bit change a topic but are you guys ever gonna do anything like

[00:20:39] sci-fi or fantasy oriented wouldn’t that be fun I’m a huge fan Syfy whether it’s

[00:20:45] Star Wars or or you know anything you know of that you know in that genre

[00:20:51] expands on CW super on sci-fi super cool I’m a big fan of that genre yeah nothing

[00:20:57] has come across in that genre but hard to get a true story a true story on

[00:21:02] sci-fi right yeah yeah unless it was like one of the lunar missions or whatever but it’s uh yeah it’s you know

[00:21:09] it I we don’t only do true stories I think we’ve landed that we love true stories the most yeah but who knows

[00:21:16] there there might you know some of the best projects you know come along at the

[00:21:21] most in the most unexpected ways and at the most unexpected times I did not expect to be October baby first but I

[00:21:27] just heard Gianna Jetsons story and I’m so moved by it yeah and I felt I needed to you know we need

[00:21:33] to make a film about it and and you know I can only imagine just came along out of nowhere and so you never know

[00:21:39] you never know where projects come from and I would certainly as a filmmaker of course love to do something in that in

[00:21:46] that range but you know it has to fit the idea that the story’s powerful and

[00:21:51] the story uplifts people and and showcases what it’s true yeah and draws people to it you know and as you can do

[00:21:58] that I mean Lord of the Rings and the Narnia series and they prove that you can if you take all kinds of different

[00:22:05] stories and use them as tools to showcase truth yeah God is so creative and has put that creativity in us you

[00:22:12] know I have another question for you and I’m gonna let you answer it when we come back we have a quick break here but if

[00:22:17] you had an unlimited budget let’s say there was no no limit to your budget what film would you do or do you have

[00:22:23] anything in mind that you would do my guest today is John johner when he is the co-director of I

[00:22:29] can only imagine as well as other films to October baby moms night out Woodlawn all these awesome films Christian films

[00:22:36] so stay with us what would kind of movie would he do if he had an unlimited budget we’ll be

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[00:23:56] this opportunity to thank Kevin Kahn over for the profound impact he’s had on mine and my wife’s spiritual life as

[00:24:02] well as being an incredible teacher while our kids were his students his knowledge and passion have taught us all

[00:24:07] how important it is to be defenders of our faith it’s our honor and privilege to support Kevin and his show is our

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[00:25:02] life I’m your host Kevin Conover I hope you’re joining us so we’re streaming live and we’re also gonna be this this

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[00:25:19] this show or lots of other past shows also recently interviewed Thomas Purefoy is Genesis history that was a phenomenal

[00:25:26] movie also that came out about a year ago and just a little while ago interviewed Keisling and she she is

[00:25:35] actually a woman who was conceived in rape and she talks about that experience

[00:25:41] what she went through finding out that her mother was raped and that she was considered for abortion my guest today

[00:25:48] is John Erwin he is the co-writer and co-director of I can only imagine calm I

[00:25:54] can only imagine the movie the the song was written by Bart Millard he’s the lead singer of the Christian band Mercy

[00:26:00] Me it’s now the most played radio single in Christian music history and it was

[00:26:06] inspired by a transform relationship with his father who was addicted to alcohol and the the whole point of the

[00:26:12] movie is it’s illustrating that nobody is ever too far from God’s love or too

[00:26:18] far from our eternal home in heaven and we are very privileged to have John on

[00:26:23] the air with us today John so so I know that money is a big issue when producing film scores yeah

[00:26:30] yeah so so if you had an unlimited budget do you have a dream movie that

[00:26:36] you you want to produce or is that just something you’re waiting on the Lord to bring about yeah you know I’m the

[00:26:41] earlier several I would say I think you know overall

[00:26:47] one of the things that we would love to attack eventually is and I can’t I don’t

[00:26:55] want to say exactly what story within it we would attack first but is to kind of

[00:27:00] reinvention the Bible in a way that is to the scale of Lord of the Rings and kind of like what Christopher Nolan did

[00:27:07] to the Batman franchise you know the Batman franchise is very cheesy yeah yeah and he really made it real yeah he

[00:27:14] made it and he gave it an epic scale but still in an accurate way to the fans and

[00:27:20] I just think the Bible the stories in the Bible one in particular not there

[00:27:27] several I think that there would be a way to do it bigger and better and in a

[00:27:32] way that is much much more visceral and emotional and I think sometimes you have

[00:27:39] a lot of a lot of Christians that maybe have not taken the time to master their

[00:27:45] craft which is the journey that we’re on no or they just don’t have the resources

[00:27:50] to compete to create a world like that and so that the stuff is pretty bad and

[00:27:55] then you have the some great filmmakers like Ridley Scott who did you know

[00:28:01] Exodus but they’ll just never be able to embrace what drives the story of the Bible because what drives the story is

[00:28:07] the sinfulness of man and the idea that we are broken and in need of redemption we need a Savior because of what we’ve

[00:28:15] done so Hollywood will never embrace that consciously or unconsciously so you

[00:28:22] have in these bigger budget movies like Noah or Exodus you have that core theme replaced with environmentalism and Noah

[00:28:29] with revolution in Exodus and and the story falls apart you know yeah and and

[00:28:36] so to me I would love to earn that but that’s you know that’s a big thing a film is like the size of the film is

[00:28:43] based off it’s like a house you’d only build a house as big as the foundation that it sits on and the foundation is

[00:28:48] the brand so we’d have to get our brand a lot bigger over over the course of time to be able to do that but that’s

[00:28:54] one of the things that I would love to reintroduce a generation to the Bible in

[00:28:59] all its scale and all it’s relatable emotion and

[00:29:05] it kind of it kind of uh brings a tear in my eye Minaya the way it’s portrayed right now

[00:29:13] you know often and that would be some we’d like to to work up towards I think

[00:29:19] as an ultimate life’s goal we’ll see yeah God gives us the opportunity it’s no time soon but well who knows with uh

[00:29:27] with Friday maybe maybe things will be moving in that direction well who knows

[00:29:32] we’ll see yeah well I’ll be praying I’ll be praying for your success as the first one but but it’s probably

[00:29:39] still aways away so I don’t wanna give it away but I will say this we work for the fans anybody promoting the film or

[00:29:45] that goes to see the films we work for you you’re our boss and you’ve given us an amazing job and the more people that

[00:29:52] go see them the bigger and better we can make the movies and the more we can learn about the craft of film and and

[00:29:57] get a team and and we’ve only begun to see what a Christian film could become I

[00:30:02] dream of a day where someone’s used what the gospel can compete with Star Wars I don’t think that anything stops us

[00:30:08] yeah I agree on how far we’ll be able to go in that journey but that can happen and if we can play the trail for the

[00:30:14] next generation that would be really cool you know and talking about the next generation there’s a ton of young people

[00:30:20] obviously it’s all over YouTube a lot of young people they they want to do what you’ve done and what you’re doing with your life what kind of advice would you

[00:30:28] give them as far as that is concerned I mean has this been uh has this been an easy road has this been a hard road for

[00:30:34] you what kind of oh no the the the film industry is uh is brutal

[00:30:40] it’s one of the most shark-infested competitive businesses that you can work in but you know if God calls you to it

[00:30:46] he’ll provide a way and and and you know I think Rome was also dangerous in the

[00:30:52] first century yes God calls us the place that places outside of our comfort zone and I would say if you know the biggest

[00:30:59] thing is I tell people like if there’s anything else you can do and be happy

[00:31:04] other than entertainment you should do it but if you just can’t not do it if you just there’s something in you that

[00:31:10] you have to do it well I took good indicator that you might be called to it and if you’re called to it the key is to

[00:31:16] never give up is just to keep going and never give up and remember the words of

[00:31:22] Winston Churchill is that you know let me say failures not success is not final

[00:31:27] failure is not fatal it’s the courage to continue that counts you know and and I

[00:31:32] think just remember that success is long obedience in the same direction and just wake up every day and take a couple more

[00:31:38] steps at that mountain and and have patience and you know my dad that allows

[00:31:43] very young said if you get 20 years to your life of your life to anything you know you’ll master it well it’s been 20

[00:31:49] years since I neglected to inform ESPN of my age at fifteen and was the

[00:31:55] cameraman to somebody got sick and and you know my career started so it takes

[00:32:02] longer than you think but it’s worth it and I think we forget that the Bible is filled with stories of long seasons of

[00:32:08] preparation for short seasons of influence and just don’t give up and just keep going and just learn a little

[00:32:14] bit every day I consider film to be a craft much more than an art form and a craft is something that you learn

[00:32:19] incrementally over time and you give yourself to the master and so any I say

[00:32:25] look we’re master we’re we’re storytellers serving the master storyteller serving the greatest

[00:32:31] storyteller of all time and we’re trying to learn our craft and I think having that kind of attitude is best and and

[00:32:39] then just practice practice practice Andy and I made a ton of music videos before we ever make them goofy you know

[00:32:46] and so but but I hope that we can usher

[00:32:51] in a new generation of talent into the entertainment industry we need it and as Christians and we want to be a part of

[00:32:57] it and Andy I want to blaze the trail I remember vividly Sean Astin told me instead of wood Lonnie said I see 180

[00:33:04] esplen tears within pioneers and I said thanks Charlotte’s is never gonna be our place trail he said you know John most

[00:33:09] frontiersman died out on the path of that but the trail will be clearly marked for this next generation and we

[00:33:16] will be frozen pointing to the summit you know we all just hop up on each other’s shoulders and we take the next

[00:33:21] step and I think if we continue to do that as Christians we will realize that we’ve only begun to see the potential of

[00:33:28] what Christian films could become yeah that is so great I have one I have another question for you about this and

[00:33:34] that is um you know my son is very interested in this he’s constantly asked me dad I want to make my youtube channel and he’s videotaping himself skateboard

[00:33:40] and doing all this stuff and and but it makes me a little nervous because I feel like there’s so many bad influences in

[00:33:47] like you said you said Hollywood is brutal so when we get back I want to ask you how do you avoid the pitfalls how do

[00:33:54] you keep going in the right direction and avoid these big pitfalls my guest today is John Erwin he is the co-writer and director of I can only imagine

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[00:36:24] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is educate for life dot o-r-g if you like

[00:36:30] apologetics I have all kinds of Christian apologetics information on my website that’s what I do for a living

[00:36:36] I’m a teacher at a Christian high school I’ve been teaching apologetics for 11 years and also doing this radio program here for over three years now we’ve got

[00:36:43] all kinds of amazing guests on the radio program they’re on YouTube their podcast we have dr. james tour one of the top 50

[00:36:49] scientists in the world and he goes through why chemically from a chemical perspective there’s no way evolution can

[00:36:56] take place we have people on the show like Dale Tackett the the gentleman who

[00:37:02] helped produce and taught the truth project talking about the movie he was recently hosting his Genesis history

[00:37:08] I’ve got dr. John Baumgardner on there he’s a geophysicist he goes through all

[00:37:13] the science behind a worldwide flood and those sorts of things all kinds of amazing guests I’ve also got patty Hite

[00:37:21] who left the homosexual lifestyle and met Jesus Christ supernaturally had a

[00:37:27] supernatural experience talks about how Christ changed radically changed her life just so many testimonies from

[00:37:33] people who described how God has stepped into their lives and transformed their

[00:37:38] lives and is now using them to be a light to other people and give hope and encouragement to other people and my

[00:37:44] guest today is John Irwin and that’s exactly what his vision is is giving hope and inspiration to people through

[00:37:51] film through stories which is just what Jesus Christ did through the parables and everything and so John I was just

[00:37:59] when we cut off the last segment there I was asking you you know you started at

[00:38:04] 15 years old you said getting involved in moviemaking and and being a cameraman

[00:38:09] for ESPN and everything and how do you go from 15 to where you’re at now

[00:38:15] without stepping into those potholes I’m nervous for my own son to be involved in

[00:38:21] making because it seems like there’s so many temptations out there that can get

[00:38:26] you off base with your walk with God you know yeah well first I have an incredible foundation you know I think

[00:38:33] my my my dad you know and mom were such great

[00:38:38] influences and my grandfather as well the logo to our company is my

[00:38:44] grandfather’s playing for world war ii he received the Medal of Honor in World War two and really taught us what it

[00:38:50] meant to go above and beyond the call of duty and and so you know I have a great

[00:38:55] heritage and a great family and a great foundation first of all and I think that’s important

[00:39:00] secondly I think it’s you know it’s interesting when I was 15 you know I

[00:39:06] went from talk about culture shock I went from you know being this kind of Southern Baptists you know Republican

[00:39:13] conservative homeschool kid from Alabama to overnight you know I was thrown into

[00:39:19] this world where I went from not knowing anyone who didn’t he wasn’t a Christian to being the only Christian in this crew

[00:39:27] of pirates you know for ESPN and and I’d lead up that’s when my faith really became real to me because there had to

[00:39:32] be mine you know and and it was a good transition and so I think there’s some sort of balance there and I think my dad

[00:39:38] dropped me off before the game picked me up right afterwards and I did that for a little while you know as I started

[00:39:44] working for ESPN so I think it’s important to have a blend of a great

[00:39:50] foundation but also don’t you know it’s like it’s like that butterfly illustration if you help the butterfly

[00:39:56] out of its cocoon or whatever you can its wings you know I think you know we’re called to be in the world not

[00:40:03] of the world but in the world and and that’s a tough thing for parents and I look my oldest is nine so I don’t I

[00:40:10] don’t even want to think about it right now but but it’s you know it’s one of those things where I think you know

[00:40:17] sometimes to go out there can be a good thing and I would just say you know I don’t live in LA for a reason because

[00:40:23] it’s the capital of narcissist right yeah in the entertainment industry and in Los Angeles I mean I love Southern

[00:40:30] California other places but you know I I stay home I stay rooted you know and and I Alabama

[00:40:40] and in the south and I want to live with the people that are buying the tickets to our stuff and and I have a great

[00:40:47] community around me and a great team and I think accountability is a big

[00:40:52] deal and have people walking beside you that can slap you upside the head if you get cocky yeah you know I don’t know I

[00:40:58] don’t know what the worst sin is but I can tell you what the most deadly sin is and that’s you know pride ego you know

[00:41:03] you got to have people in your life that can speak honestly with you you know

[00:41:08] when when you’re when you’re maybe you know you know full of yourself yeah

[00:41:14] which has happened multiple times you know with me and so and then I would

[00:41:19] just say it’s you know it’s it’s a you know that the advantages to your son are the same as the disadvantages there’s

[00:41:26] never been a generation that had this kind of access it’s a professional gear you talked about a youtube channel you

[00:41:32] can go buy a $1,200 DSLR and have a mac computer or even a PC whatever and you

[00:41:38] can be doing professional stuff you know wasn’t like that when I was growing up so you don’t have to go to film school

[00:41:43] to get to professional gear well the other reason is the other downside of that is every other kid in the world has

[00:41:50] an access so you know competition has never been higher which is which is what

[00:41:56] makes the entertainment industry so brutal and honestly so much fun it’s just highly competitive yeah that’s what

[00:42:02] I was going to ask you what do you foresee for the future of moviemaking it because there is such easy access to a

[00:42:08] professional gear and everything what do you see how future yeah well you know what you see it right now

[00:42:15] entertainment it’s just changing rapidly because of something called the law of accelerating returns which means that

[00:42:24] basically change does not happen on a linear curve it compounds and so they’ll

[00:42:29] say reycarts the guy however you see a lessening of a guy that coined that term does a lot of TED Talks says that we’re

[00:42:35] not going to experience you know 100 years of change in the 21st century we’re going to experience something like

[00:42:40] 10,000 years to change just because of the rate of Technology and acceleration

[00:42:46] so so that it creates a lot that disruption creates a lot of

[00:42:52] opportunities for Christians because you know my industry doesn’t doesn’t make

[00:42:59] money off people consuming entertainment it makes money off how people consider entertainment and it takes a little time for the de forma financial model around

[00:43:06] something whether that’s a blu-ray or a DVD or the theater or Netflix which we call s VOD so it’s changing so fast and

[00:43:15] so much disruption is hitting the space a lot of these studio mechanisms which took a hundred years to build by the way

[00:43:21] are bleeding and they’re begging for us for safe bets and we can provide that

[00:43:28] for them we can provide them a safe bet and they in a great return of revenue

[00:43:34] and profit and yet we can also use their machine to get the gospel to the world

[00:43:40] in our time we’re really the first generation that could say that the Great Commission is now possible yeah if you

[00:43:46] think about the Great Commission the Bible Jesus gives the Great Commission to to a group of guys and the continent

[00:43:53] that we’re standing on right now wouldn’t be discovered for over 1,400 years so it’s obviously meant for more than just them and we’re the first

[00:43:59] generation that could say this is possible in our lifetime the gospel to the entire world and what that would

[00:44:05] mean is we’d have to use some of the modern mechanisms like film – – or like

[00:44:11] radio you know to transmit the gospel to the world but we have enormous

[00:44:16] opportunities I think the way it changes for us is our stance we’ve got to go

[00:44:22] from defense to offense there’s really no stopping technology and its influences on our children we can try we

[00:44:29] can try to slow it down but unfortunately the cellphone has kind of wedged its way between the parent and

[00:44:35] the child and so has the TV set and so is the iPad and so is the movie theater so we got to start playing offense as

[00:44:42] Christians on those platforms we got to take the gospel to those platforms by the way my Bible says on this rock I’ll

[00:44:49] build my church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it now Maine is not a weapon nobody’s gotta throw a gate at you no

[00:44:55] let’s go attack you with the gate a gate is that you got a storm gates you know so we’re built for offense I think and I

[00:45:01] think it’s it’s time to to take the gospel to these places and and there’s a

[00:45:07] lot of opportunities so what I would say to your son is there’s never been as much competition but there’s also never

[00:45:12] been as much opportunity so the key is to just start early about your niche and practice practice

[00:45:18] practice practice you know and get better and better what you do that’s question really is the key yeah

[00:45:24] my guest today is John Erwin he has been involved in the moviemaking industry since he was 15 years old if you can

[00:45:32] believe that and John when we come back I’m curious if you’ve ever acted in any of your movies or if you’ve wanted to

[00:45:37] act in in your movies yeah one more segment left with John and so I hope you’re enjoying the program

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[00:47:56] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my web sites educate for life dot o-r-g I know it’s a little

[00:48:02] ways off but I’m still promoting it early May 15th we’re having a huge event if you want to register it’s AFL Danny

[00:48:08] Raycom you can actually get free tickets if you use the coupon code register early register early and you can get

[00:48:15] free tickets to the event we’re gonna pack it out it’s going to be an awesome time of fellowship fun and illusions

[00:48:21] Danny ray is going to be using illusions to share the gospel so bring your friends who don’t know the Lord and

[00:48:26] aren’t real comfortable stepping into a church it’s a great opportunity to just come and have a lot of fun and let

[00:48:32] people hear the hope of Jesus Christ my guest today is John Irwin and when we left off last segment I was asking him

[00:48:38] John have you ever thought about acting in any of your movies I have not acted in any of my movies

[00:48:49] although I love working with wonderful actors except to say that a moms night out Andy I had a little cameo in this

[00:48:56] kind of running monologue sequence we had filmed it you know it’s black and white kind of

[00:49:03] thing and you know Sarah drew in the movies talking about how she feels like

[00:49:09] you know somebody’s gonna kind of lock her up she’s such a bad mom or whatever yeah yeah her monologue of moms and when

[00:49:14] wife and I went and saw that film it was really funny yeah it’s like a love letter to my wife never liked her anyway

[00:49:19] we filmed it as a as a temporary placeholder and they were going to go out to our good friend Gary Sinise to

[00:49:25] see if she would do it I doubt he ever would but but I you know he just got the voiceover for this documentary we did

[00:49:32] Steve McQueen American icon and and but what we ran out of time so it stayed in there so I do get I do get like you know

[00:49:41] Screen Actors Guild royalty checks from that real small like 60 bucks two quarters and I’m like I should do this

[00:49:48] more often you know there’s money here but but it’s not you know my passion is behind the camera and and crafting these

[00:49:55] things and working with wonderful actors anything I’ve had a had a you know an incredible incredible privilege to work

[00:50:04] with you know Jon you know Jon Voight and Sean Astin and Dennis Quaid and this

[00:50:10] one it’s in the Steve McQueen movie and you know they’ve become you know we’ve

[00:50:18] learned a lot that is so cool and they’re they’re wonderful people and God’s changing them like gods changing

[00:50:24] Dennis Quaid right now yeah hazing to see and kind of come back to his faith and his Baptist roots and he

[00:50:30] wrote a song we’re gonna launch later on this week for his mom a gospel song that is cylinder on her 91st birthday he

[00:50:35] wrote it on the set of I can only imagine so it’s good to be an influence with these people because I think Jim

[00:50:41] Carrey said it best he said I wish everyone could be rich and famous and have everything they’ve ever wanted to know it’s not the answer

[00:50:47] yeah people are kind of miserable at the top yeah and and it’s good to be able to have a relationship with and you get to

[00:50:54] be that light how do you know who Larry Poland is dr. Larry Pollard you not you should look him up sometimes he’s

[00:50:59] getting older up there but he is a guy who I interviewed maybe two years ago and he has this master media ministry

[00:51:07] where what all he does is he prays for all the actors direct oh yeah sure yeah

[00:51:12] yeah and I appreciate their ministry and and and what they do yeah what you were

[00:51:18] saying there reminded me of him because here you are you know you love the Lord you’re going in here you’re making these

[00:51:24] films where you’re passionate about Jesus Christ you’re not just telling a story you’re telling you’re telling a

[00:51:30] story that you because you believe in God and you believe in Jesus Christ and and so you’re this light in a dark place

[00:51:35] where and a lot of people I think are looking for that light and so they they reach out and they go hey this guy’s authentic he’s real he believes in the

[00:51:42] truth of God’s Word you know yeah cool what what is your hopefully first of

[00:51:48] many we need more Christians inside the entertainment industry and this is one of the most powerful tools of

[00:51:53] communication and the world’s ever seen it’s America’s second largest export

[00:51:58] mined agriculture and in fact there’s these amazing things called outfit deals that if a film becomes successful in

[00:52:04] United States it takes itself to the entire world it actually triggers these

[00:52:10] things called output deals and countries that are persecuting Christianity pay to have the right to try to translate the

[00:52:16] movie and give it to their people because it’s a successful piece of American entertainment which the world worships there’s 20 movie theaters

[00:52:22] opening every day in China so it’s uh it’s an amazing time

[00:52:27] and this is the medium we have to figure out the incredible incredible evangelistic opportunity now will you

[00:52:34] ever make a movie that isn’t overtly Christian or are you going to stay specifically you know communicating

[00:52:41] those messages that’s a great question I mean I think you know the Bible says

[00:52:46] that we we make our plans but God you know decides our steps and I think you

[00:52:52] know everything there’s a lot of things that have in my life that have been surprises you know how the audience you

[00:53:01] know and that’s kind of a part of larger debate of how we categorize these films what we call them yeah but but I’ll

[00:53:10] leave that to to others and to marketers and to to the audience from my

[00:53:17] perspective you know one of the things that I say is we we believe in the

[00:53:22] return of Frank Capra meaning the great legendary director It’s a Wonderful Ison and mr. Smith goes to Washington and the

[00:53:28] why we fight series general or to and what I need to say is we need we hope and optimism and we need entertainment

[00:53:34] that uplifts us and and and draws out you know draws us to what’s true and

[00:53:40] what’s good I’m most passionate about getting the gospel to my generation on film yeah I love that passage in acts

[00:53:48] that said they would serve the purposes of God in his generation and fell asleep I think the message of the gospel never

[00:53:54] change but the methods used to get it to people change with the time you know it changes with technology and we have to

[00:54:00] there’s a way to serve God in your time in your in your generation and I want to do that and I want to harness film as a

[00:54:07] tool to share the Gospel through story I remember I remember hearing TD jakes say

[00:54:13] Jesus was a was a storyteller so if he was around today I think he’d be a filmmaker you know I don’t know if

[00:54:18] that’s right or not or theological or not like I’ll feel it it’s great yeah so I think I think there’s something to

[00:54:25] that I think story is the language of our hearts and mass entertainment is the language of our time and so a movie is

[00:54:31] the unification of the tube I you know so I just have to make a film that I

[00:54:36] believe deeply in and I leave that the world needs and something that will enrich their life and draw

[00:54:41] them toward what’s true could there be a situation like my granddad’s World War 2 store now he’s a devout Christian but

[00:54:49] that’s one that we’ve always tinkered around with in his Medal of Honor story how would that be categorized I don’t

[00:54:55] know but I’ll tell you this I we wear our passions on our sleeve and and if

[00:55:01] you if you trust us and if you come if you’ll take the ride with us and and believe in and support our work you know

[00:55:06] by God’s grace we won’t let you down we’re here to stay we’re not trying to get through middle America and through

[00:55:12] the church to Hollywood we’re trying to bend the Hollywood to the church and into the purposes of the gospel and

[00:55:18] that’s a lifelong calling it’s all we do it’s not a slice of you know diversified

[00:55:23] pie and each story will be something we believe deeply in and believe that the

[00:55:29] world needs and people need how people categorize them is really their call but

[00:55:36] and the other thing is trust means a lot to us we’re not going to we’re not going to offend you we’re not gonna make you

[00:55:42] feel betrayed I hate when I go to a movie with my kids and there’s like language or whatever and and there’s

[00:55:48] some alternative message that you didn’t expect exactly yeah if it has our name on it

[00:55:53] you can trust it you can trust it with our family yeah I with this story even in context of a broken father-son

[00:56:00] relationship and you know Bart getting abused you know physically by dad we

[00:56:05] treat it in such a way that it’s PG it’s like the shark in Jaws or you can feel its presence but you don’t see it which

[00:56:12] by the way makes it scarier yeah and and it’s not in a way that’s accessible for the for the entire families we were very

[00:56:17] passionate about telling this story that was that’s so great my guest today is John Erwin he is the

[00:56:23] co-writer and director of I can only imagine as well as multiple other films and this comes out March 16th this

[00:56:29] Friday please go out and check it out support it the more we spread the word

[00:56:35] about this amazing film the more that these guys are going to be able to make other awesome films and like you said

[00:56:40] it’s they’re they’re really doing a lot of amazing work here steering people towards Jesus Christ giving giving them

[00:56:46] the hope of Christ and John if people want to get involved in is there that they can support you or follow you

[00:56:53] or really just stay in touch with you know what you’re doing and what you’re trying to achieve what what absolutely I

[00:57:00] mean we promote our films much better than we promote ourselves so for now I would say you know I can only imagine

[00:57:07] calm it’s what everything is for this movie and and I can only imagine movie

[00:57:13] it’s where we are on Facebook and again there’s been such an enormous traction for this movie on social media so you

[00:57:20] ever do like euro fund me I’m kind of things to raise money for projects or is it purely like angel investors work I’ve

[00:57:27] got a great track record I mean heh stated I’m like wouldn’t try that sure we’ve had a wonderful we had wonderful

[00:57:35] success with with with Christians of means and and and an ability you know

[00:57:41] backing worker and being a patron to the work and we’re very grateful for everyone else the movie ticket really is

[00:57:49] your vote it triggers something called FOMO which is the fear of missing out which drives culture today this

[00:57:56] generation oddly enough is being called the most connected generation of all time it’s being called the generation of

[00:58:01] loneliness how about that these these devices in our hands are separating its from real relationships so out of that

[00:58:07] this need to belong and fear of missing out are dominating their behavior so in

[00:58:13] any group of people makes a lot of noise people want to be a part of whatever it is whether it’s Hamilton on Broadway or

[00:58:19] black panther or whatever we want to be a part of these cultural conversations we can do that as Christians there’s

[00:58:25] enough of us so we asked you to join its opening weekend at the theater that is really like Joshua in the Battle of

[00:58:32] Jericho the walls came tumbling down when everyone yelled at the same time and and that’s what we need and and so

[00:58:38] join us there and then after this movie we’re thinking about strategies to really educate Christians on how to use

[00:58:46] mass entertainment as a tool and then also how to educate those that want to enter the industry we’re really trying

[00:58:52] to attack those things but we need a hit first I love it we’re concentrating on on I can only imagine but after that we

[00:58:59] really want to develop some ongoing strategies and we’ll well we are out of time

[00:59:04] thank you so much for being on the air with us today I really appreciate your time and I’m gonna be playing it hard for your success and Andy success thank

[00:59:11] you hey thanks for getting the word out and God bless and I will see 360 now let the hello to cool days amen particularly

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