Is Using Marijuana Morally Wrong? – Dr. Julie Hayden

[00:00:00] and now here’s your host Kevin Conover bring your time bring your Shang welcome

[00:00:07] to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is educate for life o RG thanks for joining in everybody who’s

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[00:00:51] we’re going to be talking about sharing your faith in the public schools if you’re a teacher an administrator a

[00:00:56] student a parent what is the legal where’s the legal line where you can you

[00:01:01] don’t want to cross as far as sharing your faith in school what’s legal what are we allowed to do we’re gonna have Eric Bureau out there he’s gonna be

[00:01:07] explaining to us he’s an expert on the state Education Code love to have you join us sometime

[00:01:13] but today we’re talking about something else we’re talking about the family conference which is coming up right

[00:01:19] around the corner here and my guest today dr. Julie Hayden is putting this conference on to reach people and to

[00:01:26] help them learn about stuff that they don’t typically learn about to bless their families she’s a licensed psychologist and she’s the co-founder of

[00:01:34] rhombus she earned a side D in 2008 from Southern California seminary

[00:01:39] correctional also received her MA and religious studies and an MA in counseling psychology from SES and she’s

[00:01:46] been on my radio program several times now and she’s a huge blessing thanks for being on the show today Julie glad to be

[00:01:52] here thank you hey tell us a little bit before we hop into our subject about marijuana and you know I put as the to

[00:01:59] be to be provocative I put is smoking legal marijuana for recreational

[00:02:05] purposes a sin I’m trying I’m trying to stir the pot

[00:02:10] here trying to rock the boat so if you if you want to answer that question and you’re listening on Facebook please you

[00:02:17] know write to us or call in is calling in is even better so but before we get into that Julie tell us a little bit

[00:02:23] about the family conference this year when it’s happening where it’s happening and so forth sure this is the fourth annual family conference and it’s going

[00:02:30] to be held at Maple View on May 5th that’s maple View Baptist Church in Lakeside it’s gonna be on May 5th which

[00:02:36] is a Saturday from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. and we’re gonna have a bunch of different breakout sessions of topics

[00:02:42] that people can choose that would help their situation there strengthen their family so it may be for their particular

[00:02:49] family it could be that they want information to help their friend or maybe their church leader and they want information to help those in their

[00:02:55] congregation so it’s going to be topics such as domestic violence sex trafficking parenting skills actually

[00:03:02] educational options like you’re talking about might be finance a bunch of different topics will all be bringing in

[00:03:09] Christian experts to address those topics and one timeframe so you bring your whole family children all the way

[00:03:15] up to the parents and everybody will get something out of it ok so we have a

[00:03:21] phone call already here early in the show we haven’t even started talking about the subject yes your title it’s your title yeah you’re gonna get more

[00:03:27] trouble I know ok well let’s uh let’s take the phone call here got to put on

[00:03:35] the headphones whenever we take a phone call here so go ahead Todd hello hello

[00:03:41] who’s on the air today my name is Michael Sexton hey my dad thanks for

[00:03:48] calling in yeah no problem I just caught your show here on Facebook so I thought

[00:03:53] call in and you’re gonna throw in my two cents I’m an old hippie I smoked oak and

[00:04:00] choked a long time ago but I don’t know more I gave it up to follow Jesus and uh

[00:04:06] it was in 1980 I quit smokin pot clothes

[00:04:12] quit smoking cigarettes in 87 and I quit alcohol in 2001 I would like to say that

[00:04:19] all of that stuff does affect your psyche okay drugs

[00:04:24] alcohol all that it really does affect your body this stuff you know I really

[00:04:30] throws you off so I’m not for it I am for like legal like like many medicinal

[00:04:38] purposes you know yeah I’m really in the home but um I used to

[00:04:44] drive for Greyhound and I would find a lot of people would get on the bus hi you know smoking from smoking

[00:04:51] marijuana so you’re not just smoking it you know they get the marijuana card legally you know for medical reasons and

[00:04:58] there’s smoke around the street you’re smoking it you know in their cars wherever they can you know you know just

[00:05:03] because they have a car doesn’t mean nothing you know yeah and so I believe we’re going to see more accidents of

[00:05:09] course you know because now that’s just another thing instead of people just DUI drinking and driving now there’s going

[00:05:16] to be doping and driving obviously you know and like I said it all affects the

[00:05:23] body and so well Michael I really appreciate you calling in and sharing your perspective especially somebody you

[00:05:28] know who’s experienced that and you you’ve gotten off that and you believe that you know leaving that behind has

[00:05:35] allowed you to have a closer walk with Jesus Christ is that right oh yes

[00:05:40] absolutely I think you have a clearer mind clear ahead you know and you know

[00:05:46] like I said I’ve repented from all this stuff you know I’m sorry I did but you know I [ __ ] had the money back you

[00:05:52] know I spent all that back in the day and plus back in the day when I smoked you know you can get a what they call a

[00:05:59] nickel bag for five dollars you know now I understand it’s more than you know what fifty honor dollars for a bag well

[00:06:05] yeah you know a lot of and a lot of governments now a lot of the the California is set to if they you know

[00:06:12] taxing it they’re supposed to raise enormous amounts on revenue so there’s a kind of a conflict of interest there is

[00:06:17] hey do we want to give people the opportunity to use this stuff if it’s gonna you know make a lot of tax revenue

[00:06:24] well we got a several other calls so Michael I just want to thank you for calling in we’re gonna take another call now thank you very much YouTube god

[00:06:32] bless you Todd go ahead okay who’s next here on the line uh

[00:06:37] Korea I’m sorry say your name one more time Karina Karina hey Karina is this

[00:06:43] Karina my former student yes hey nice to have

[00:06:49] you call and hey before we before I take your call and you give your you know share your viewpoint I wanted Julie here

[00:06:55] to clarify a little bit Julie can you I’m share with us sure I really want to bring in this topic as also informative

[00:07:02] and so kind of to show the two sides and that’s what I’m hearing from even the callers is their personal view and how

[00:07:08] it’s affected them but also I’ll take some time later to look at the difference between using it for medical

[00:07:13] purposes and not but also the risks that are coming because of how the drug is

[00:07:19] changing so we’ll get into that of this drug is actually changing now that it’s legal and the potencies changing and

[00:07:26] increasing and I can’t wait to get that information out to people to understand the risks that are there now versus even

[00:07:32] 10 20 years years ago absolutely absolutely okay so Karina what’s your what’s your

[00:07:38] viewpoint on this well um I do think it’s a sin and as you know me mr.

[00:07:45] Conover I came to a you know your school from a bad past did my fair share of

[00:07:51] smoking growing up and it destroyed my life and had to come into a place where

[00:08:01] knowing that that part of my life was being consumed by something so malicious

[00:08:08] even though a lot of people say oh marijuana just was fun oh it’s just to

[00:08:13] calm you down it’s like that but you know how it’s not like you know heroin

[00:08:19] or crack and all this other stuff but it’s I feel in a recreational use not

[00:08:25] being used as as you know as she said in a medicinal way being in the medical

[00:08:30] field myself not being used for the right way can consume your life and I do

[00:08:36] see it being used in the wrong way is being used as this step ok well that’s

[00:08:43] that’s really you know what would you say Corina I’m just curious what would you say to the person because you know the things you hear a lot is you hear

[00:08:49] people say hey it’s not addictive it’s not going to entrap me it’s not how would you respond to somebody who said

[00:08:55] that Karina based on your experiences and so forth it definitely is I self checked myself into a rehab facility to

[00:09:03] get the help you know I needed the help to get away from it you know an

[00:09:08] outpatient facility where I could get the help the resources the structures

[00:09:16] and the motivation to be able to say no to something that consistently took over

[00:09:24] my life the thing I wanted to do when I first woke up was to smoke a joint you know yeah and that’s an addictive

[00:09:31] personality you know it’s an addictive trait that it has and it’s the same thing with smoking a cigarette you know

[00:09:39] so it’s it all these different things are addictive yeah absolutely there

[00:09:45] because you’re we can say tobacco is not addictive but it is how can we not say

[00:09:53] that marijuana isn’t addictive but it is Karina thank you so much for calling in and sharing your viewpoint and your

[00:09:59] experience really appreciate that and praise God that your that’s something you’ve been able to put behind you I

[00:10:04] think that’s awesome so thank you thank you very much and we’re gonna stay with us we’re coming up on a quick break here

[00:10:11] we will take more phone calls also but we’re gonna be talking about you know how is it addictive what’s going on

[00:10:17] chemically in the mind what’s happening here Julie is with me dr. Julie Hayden she’s a licensed psychologist and we

[00:10:23] have the family conference coming up it’s going to discuss these types of issues that are impacting our families and our individual lives so stay with us

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[00:12:49] we’re talking about marijuana use you know it’s becoming legalized in multiple states around the country and what’s

[00:12:55] happening is you know California recently legalized it recreationally you have some states that have it legalized

[00:13:01] for for medicinal purposes you have some states that still have it completely

[00:13:07] outlawed the federal government still hasn’t technically legalized it but there’s a lot of states that are considering moving in that direction and

[00:13:14] so this is something we want to be informed on as Christians we want to be educated on it what’s the real impact of

[00:13:20] marijuana what does it actually do you hear a lot of people saying it’s harmless it’s just like drinking alcohol

[00:13:26] it’s not gonna really have that big of an impact and we want to be prepared to this we don’t wanna be caught unequipped

[00:13:32] so my guest today is dr. Julie Hayden and she is a licensed psychologist and founder a co-founder of rhombic they

[00:13:40] have a family conference coming up on Saturday May 5th 9:00 to 4:00 p.m. I actually am privileged to be a part of

[00:13:45] that I’m gonna be speaking on some subjects there about raising your kids to know Christ and so Julie share with

[00:13:51] us before we take another phone call share with us a little bit about you know why is it addictive and what do you

[00:13:57] see in your practice as a counselor when you come upon people that are that are dealing with this sure one of the main

[00:14:04] reasons marijuana can be addictive is because anything that kind of makes your physical state change you can want that

[00:14:12] again your body could be used to it become comfortable with it and then you’re going to seek that at the expense

[00:14:17] of other things addiction in itself continuing despite negative consequences

[00:14:23] so even though it may interfere with areas of your life you’re going to keep using it that’s what we would see

[00:14:28] broadly as an addiction versus just using it for fun so we see that with marijuana it’s not as addictive as some

[00:14:35] of the stronger drugs and yet it does have those properties still that you’re going to want to use more to get the

[00:14:41] same high sometimes and that your your body will be physically dependent on it to some extent the changes that are

[00:14:48] happening are though they’ve been working on improving it you know to increase the potency quote improving

[00:14:54] yeah actually so that it has a higher level of THC in it and so that the high is

[00:14:59] higher and that’s the changes we’re seeing including adjusting it to to be I

[00:15:05] want to say wax but there’s more to that in that they smoke it and it’s a very

[00:15:11] high potency and with that it’s the addictive properties are increased and also the consequences as far as actually

[00:15:18] psychosis and psychotic breaks where they really lose touch with reality or

[00:15:24] seeing that more so it’s it’s changing its that’s because of the higher THC levels you’re seeing psychotic breaks

[00:15:30] and these sorts of things well it’s always been a potential risk but the higher the potency the higher the risk is and so as they increase the potency

[00:15:36] of it as there’s a higher percentage of THC in whatever they’re smoking that’s going to increase the risk of it and you

[00:15:43] have a higher risk when somebody’s younger so now we have these 14 year old 18 year old and the younger brain is

[00:15:51] more susceptible to a psychotic break so that’s that’s a trend we’re seen and I’m curious as it’s legal is this going to

[00:15:58] increase is this going to be having a snowball effect in our community and do parents know people understand the risk

[00:16:05] there that go along with the drug yeah absolutely and so it’s very interesting

[00:16:11] I was over at a friend’s house the other day and somebody nearby was actually smoking marijuana and it was very a lot

[00:16:18] of smoke was coming into the window and everything and so you have this whole question of you know secondhand smoke

[00:16:24] and does that have an impact also and with the recreational you know you are

[00:16:29] are younger and younger kids gonna have more and more access to this and I wanted to share a scripture that for me

[00:16:34] really speaks to this this is this is 1st Corinthians 6 chapter 12 and it’s

[00:16:40] the Apostle Paul speaking he says something really interesting he says everything is permissible for me but not all things are beneficial everything is

[00:16:47] permissible for me but I will not be enslaved by anything emphasizing being brought under its

[00:16:52] power or allowing it to control me and I think that’s the real question is at what point are you no longer the smoke

[00:16:59] and the drug with the drug smoke in you and you you pretty soon you’re you are

[00:17:05] beginning to use this to diminish maybe stress in your life or diminish pain in your life and it

[00:17:10] becomes kind of your go-to source for trying to find peace or a stress relief

[00:17:15] right absolutely and that’s the key trend I see it when it turns into something that is addictive it usually

[00:17:22] the source is at the beginning it was taken because they’re trying to make a feeling disappear just like people that

[00:17:27] might drink and maybe they’re not an alcoholic yet if they’re drinking to make a feeling disappear that risk is

[00:17:34] really great that it will turn into an addiction and that their body will respond if they have that substance

[00:17:39] taken from them and that’s really the difference between when you’re potentially abusing a drug or abusing

[00:17:47] alcohol versus enjoying a drink with dinner or with friends or whatever is when it begins to become what seems to

[00:17:55] solve your problem exist okay okay Todd go ahead we can take another caller

[00:18:00] yeah you’re on you’re on the air go ahead okay with Benny Benny Benny who

[00:18:08] Betty hey I didn’t recognize your voice nice

[00:18:14] to hear from you again this topic

[00:18:21] recovery is kind of part of my my testimony your suffering and there’s

[00:18:27] this I feel like there’s one issue that isn’t being brought up or being there kind of in glazed-over it is the

[00:18:33] difference between C THC and CBD the psychoactive and the non psychoactive

[00:18:38] properties in marijuana you have people that want to that want to bring up the

[00:18:46] issue of the medicinal qualities of marijuana but when you go into these when you go into these dispensaries the

[00:18:55] biggest I guess advertising is talking about those a higher content

[00:19:01] percentage of it yeah but the truth is

[00:19:07] no property is being marijuana is the CBD is the part that really does control

[00:19:12] your anxiety that does that does sort of ease ailments that you’re going through

[00:19:20] and the Kashiwa D is not psychoactive it’s the THC that really is and I don’t

[00:19:27] know I feel like it’s just kind of getting tossed to the side and people are really enjoying it for a

[00:19:34] psychoactive qualities and now that it’s becoming so much more potent you’re

[00:19:41] dealing with the other issues like marijuana withdrawals is now a real thing you know it’s um you know you

[00:19:50] won’t you won’t you have a loss of appetite you cannot fall asleep the only

[00:19:58] things that are really like muscle spasms or any abdominal pains and everything is like a hot showering so

[00:20:04] it’s a good almost a week of dealing with these things until you detox from marijuana and then so that’s the

[00:20:10] physical detox of it and then now you have a whole mental part of it now you have about two depending on how long and

[00:20:17] how often you consume with of course but now you have like a month or two where you don’t have like the best mental

[00:20:23] clarity and until that fog started kind of starts to clear up yeah you do have you see up you’ll have so much in your

[00:20:31] system because it stays in your system for a pretty long time and it’s and it takes a while for me yeah and the ironic

[00:20:38] part is when you say you’re smoking marijuana for anxiety or for your stress

[00:20:45] or whatever you can actually end up tipping a scale right you consume so much of it you have so much in your

[00:20:51] system that it actually makes you more anxious instead of less anxious because there’s so much th the inside sure no

[00:20:59] side effects something some of the side effects that that you know people share

[00:21:04] with what happens to it I mean they enter themselves would cause anxiety temporary hallucinations temporary

[00:21:10] paranoia things like that right bunny yeah absolutely because because again

[00:21:16] because you’ve consumed so much for so often that it ends up you have a built up with so much THC in you and then it

[00:21:22] causes all of those things so Jesus that Julie can you speak to this you don’t yeah I really appreciate what you’re

[00:21:27] saying I hope you find me after because I’d love to know what you’re doing if you’re involved at all

[00:21:33] recovery community because what you’re saying is dead-on right and that’s a key component if somebody is trying to

[00:21:39] figure out maybe a loved one whether they’re addicted to marijuana or whether they’re using it for medicinal purposes

[00:21:45] a lot of times that’s the difference are they wanting to smoke marijuana no matter what where are they okay with a

[00:21:51] pill that has less THC in it that doesn’t have the psychoactive properties are they okay with a medical version

[00:21:58] that doesn’t give them the high so that’s a key factor I think to point out

[00:22:03] so I agree with what you’re saying I appreciate how you’re Shane you’re sharing and thank you and Bennie this

[00:22:11] has this been something that in your own life you were you know you were fighting off in or is that something that’s

[00:22:18] ongoing for you or do you mind me asking it’s a it’s a continuous thing and

[00:22:25] although this has been like within the last year sort of thing that kind of

[00:22:31] read resurfaced in my in my life and you

[00:22:38] know it’s interesting that you posed a question whether it’s a sin or not but but what really kind of pardon the pun

[00:22:45] [ __ ] up this this this journey again was this disconnect from God the

[00:22:51] spiritual disconnect from the Lord you know and and well whether you guys are

[00:22:58] familiar now with the recovery program but a dependence upon upon God is is the biggest cornerstone within the recovery

[00:23:05] community right because because again this isn’t something that you can do

[00:23:10] through your own self-will there’s a strength that you find in the Lord that will really get through in your recovery

[00:23:18] Jenny but let’s see well hey Benny I was

[00:23:25] playing with me yeah go ahead well so as soon as you guys were relating earlier

[00:23:32] and the the question of like what does the pill or if you would the thing is

[00:23:37] it’s it’s a lack of coping skills within an addict right it’s this do you want

[00:23:44] smoke like the difference between an attic nor non attitude that I if

[00:23:51] tomorrow or today I decide to pick up a joint I now have something triggered in

[00:23:57] me or one is not in that well well a thousand joints is not going to be

[00:24:02] enough because what I am doing is I am trying to cover up fears anxiety

[00:24:08] depression or other things that I don’t want to face and I’m kind of using

[00:24:14] whatever sense euphoric feeling that I’m getting from whatever it is from alcohol

[00:24:20] for pills from marijuana does not that euphoric feeling that sort of kind of

[00:24:27] trigger the serotonin spikes in my brain that makes me feel good in that moment

[00:24:32] for that temporary relief is the feeling that I will continue to change regardless of whatever substance I put

[00:24:39] in my body so yeah that is the difference between an addict and and on

[00:24:46] addict between enjoying legitimately enjoying the taste of a beer or using

[00:24:53] whatever substance bar as a crutch to cut to get you through those moments of

[00:24:58] those things that you’re trying to to run away from Benny well I really appreciate you calling in and and Sharon

[00:25:03] I think it’s encouraging to hear you know from somebody who’s struggled with this and then for other people to be

[00:25:09] able to hear that and say hey okay there’s a light at the end of the tunnel here’s somebody who’s worked through this and and so thank you very much for

[00:25:17] calling in Benny oh yeah absolutely coming and good talk and God bless you

[00:25:23] okay we’ll talk again soon stay with us we’re going to be right back we’re up on a break here my guest today is dr. Julie

[00:25:29] Hayden and the family conference is coming up May 5th 9:00 to 4:00 p.m. I really encourage you to get out there

[00:25:35] it’s at Maple View Church and the address is 130 176 Maple view street if you want more information you can go to

[00:25:41] go rhombus calm that’s geo rhombus is Rho M V us calm and stay with us we’re

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[00:28:46] Christian movies and just finding a lot of success and it’s very encouraging to hear as well as many many other

[00:28:52] interviews dr. James tour I interviewed one of the top 50 scientists in the world and he talks about creation and

[00:28:58] evolution and he has incredible stuff to share just all kinds of great stuff so

[00:29:04] today dr. Julie Haydon is on the radio with me here we’re streaming on Facebook if you want to join us the number to

[00:29:09] call in is 866 five 77247 three we’ve had some great testimonies and guests

[00:29:15] calling in and dr. Hayden you know when it comes to this issue and what we’re

[00:29:21] seeing the changes we’re seeing and everything you know there’s a lot of people out there that are saying hey

[00:29:27] this is harmless it’s recreational it’s not a big deal and yet we’re hearing

[00:29:32] these testimonies of these people that say hey know this this is real what would how would you deal with it when

[00:29:38] when people are wanting to legalize this is is there some form of marijuana that should be legalized or should it all

[00:29:43] just be straight straight out not legal well that’s kind of a difficult question because I don’t

[00:29:49] know if making something illegal or making it legalized ever worked for whether somebody’s going to use it or

[00:29:54] not so we’ve seen that you know throughout the years that sometimes legalizing something backfires sometimes

[00:30:00] making it illegal backfires so I think within the Christian community we have a unique time that we

[00:30:06] can gain information and come and approach it with our families so that’s usually where I go is what information

[00:30:12] do you know and understand how is that going to protect your family can you share that with others that you know so

[00:30:18] as people listen in here and they gain information they might adjust something in their life to understand it’s not

[00:30:24] just a casual drug it can be but there’s risk and people will avoid talking about

[00:30:30] the risk sometimes because they really want the effects of marijuana in their life maybe to decrease anxiety or

[00:30:36] whatever now that’s a little different than if you had cancer and you’re going to the doctor and he’s telling you to use something but it is similar to

[00:30:43] alcohol it is similar to pills which obviously we have this huge opiate epidemic as well kind of starting from

[00:30:49] that initial thing of having that pill take pain away and then maybe making you

[00:30:54] feel good and then it grows from that so broadly we’re just looking at what are the effects of marijuana it has had

[00:31:00] negative effects all along you know long-term effects of decreasing motivation which we know about but also

[00:31:06] impotency and some other physical problems to our body that we can have over a long time use there’s always been

[00:31:12] the risk of psychosis and we it’s a no hallucinogen like LSD or ecstasy but we

[00:31:19] see it different we see it a versus you know no big deal casual drug but it does have properties of hallucinating of

[00:31:25] increasing hallucinations and eventually possibly delusions breaks from psych say

[00:31:31] from reality into psychosis and what we’re seeing now with the increased potency is that this is happening to me

[00:31:39] more often I’m watching this I don’t think research has caught up with it so I’m curious if we can catch

[00:31:45] it before it’s a huge epidemic yeah you know yeah yeah I mean it’s crazy too

[00:31:50] because it just came out Democratic candidate for governor Cynthia Nixon in

[00:31:56] New York and she’s saying hey here’s my plans for legalizing marijuana we got to catch up with

[00:32:01] other states like Colorado and Washington and these states that are legalizing these drugs and yet it seems

[00:32:06] like there’s so much that’s not known about it seems premature to be like hey let’s get on the bandwagon and do this and you hear about states that are

[00:32:13] making a lot of money on the tax revenue and that’s such a wrong goal there is like okay are we gonna put people first

[00:32:18] are we you know gonna make money here off of this seems crazy and you know

[00:32:24] people often say you’ll hear people say well is marijuana a gateway drug or is it not and what is your view on that as

[00:32:31] sure yeah I actually have a person that’s answered this question and he answered it very well so I use this

[00:32:36] language but basically he was talking in a group with a bunch of people who had come from addictions and he was noticing

[00:32:43] you know not everyone that uses marijuana will be a heroin addict but everyone that’s a heroin addict usually

[00:32:49] has their story starting with marijuana yeah so whether it’s marijuana or alcohol a lot of times you have trauma

[00:32:54] in a person’s history or you have some situation where they want their feelings to disappear and they start in with

[00:33:01] alcohol or marijuana and it works and then usually it’s not enough and they have to up their ante eventually to get

[00:33:07] that same effect to drown out whatever the reason they’re using so that’s what you see is this trend that it’ll take

[00:33:14] care of a problem for a moment it increases vulnerability to the harder drugs so some people will stay with

[00:33:21] marijuana their whole life and there are negative consequences but maybe not as significant as some of the harder drugs

[00:33:27] I wonder though if that will change and we will have just as strong significant physical problems with marijuana as they

[00:33:35] adjust it so we’ll see about that but it’s definitely a gateway drug that’s pretty much very much seen in literature

[00:33:42] and also seen in people’s lives that that’s usually where they start and then they go from there not always but it’s

[00:33:48] definitely a pattern yeah and I’m getting this off there’s a website drug abuse gov it says a rise in marijuana’s

[00:33:55] THC levels it’s pretty interesting it says the amount of THC in marijuana has been increasing steadily over the past few decades for a person who’s new to

[00:34:02] marijuana use this may mean exposure to higher THC levels with a greater chance of a harmful reaction higher THC levels

[00:34:09] may explain the rise in emergency room visits involving marijuana use it goes on to say the popular

[00:34:14] popularity of edibles also increases the chance of harmful reactions edibles take longer to digest and produce a high

[00:34:20] therefore people may consume more to feel the effects faster leading to dangerous results and I was actually

[00:34:27] reading an article the other day and it said I guess a couple people have actually died because of the fact that

[00:34:32] the edibles they’re not getting the high as fast like it’s saying and then it’s saying that the people take more of it

[00:34:39] thinking oh I must need more to get the high but then they they for whatever reason I don’t know how can you overdose

[00:34:44] on marijuana I don’t I don’t know well when you think of that it’s it’s what’s it doing to your system so can I increase something

[00:34:50] that gives you a risk for a heart attack or to stop your breathing or something like that you don’t know how your body’s gonna react

[00:34:55] so it’s possible but I would say that’s not common okay but it’s interesting we had a particular person that did come to

[00:35:03] treatment and had psychosis and when that when our program director was talking with the ER they this person had

[00:35:10] this psychotic break severe psychotic break from using marijuana and she said this is the gazillion case she’s seen

[00:35:16] this year that’s local I don’t know what she meant a psychotic break psychotic

[00:35:22] break in a young guy from marijuana Wow so I mean I hear frequently I hear

[00:35:29] young people say hey there’s nothing wrong with it it’s not gonna hurt anybody but a lot of people just must

[00:35:34] not be aware of these these facts I mean the facts are pretty amazing here again from this website it says here marijuana

[00:35:41] over activates parts of the brain that contain the highest number of the of receptors this causes the high that

[00:35:47] people feel other effects include altered senses for example seeing brighter colors altered sense of time

[00:35:53] changes in mood impaired body movement difficulty with thinking and problem-solving impaired memory

[00:35:59] hallucinations when taken in high doses delusions what’s the difference between Julie what’s the difference between a

[00:36:05] hallucination a delusion and psychosis it says all three of these sure are involved you know I’m sorry we’re up on

[00:36:12] a break here so when we get back dr. Hayden is going to explain the difference between hallucinations delusions and psychosis we’ll be right

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[00:39:32] out for a day and really get equipped and dr. Hayden when we left off on the last segment I was saying what is the

[00:39:38] difference between psychosis hallucinations and delusions what sure what’s called psychosis is a broad term

[00:39:44] so it’s like an umbrella term to talk about different types of hallucinations hallucinations will be things that you

[00:39:50] have you think are there in reality but they’re not so it could be visual like you’re seeing something tactile like

[00:39:55] something’s crawling on you auditory hallucinations where you’re hearing all of these types of things that are

[00:40:01] outside of reality we might call psychosis now a delusion is actually a

[00:40:06] thought process so you believe something that is not true so common delusions might be that

[00:40:11] the government’s out to get you or that aliens are trying to read your mind you believe something and that paranoia

[00:40:18] usually goes to the psychosis so a lot of times even with marijuana there’s paranoia that people are out to

[00:40:24] get you and that they’re trying to you know cause you harm or something like that now this is interesting is this

[00:40:29] different from alcohol like when somebody gets drunk do they usually suffer from hallucinations or psychosis

[00:40:35] or is that most is that different THC has a different impact on the brain yeah alcohol does not usually have any kind

[00:40:42] of connection with psychosis maybe delusions but usually it has to do with you know they’re they’re not active

[00:40:48] in their surrounding and stealing with reality but being drunk you know it’s usually they’re acting in such a way

[00:40:53] that they might not but not because they believe something’s you know real when it’s not it is similar to math so meth

[00:41:01] would be an extreme and so meth you’re going to have paranoia you’re gonna see things you’re gonna feel things that you

[00:41:07] believe are real and yet they’re outside and they’re not real yeah and also schizophrenia so that would be more

[00:41:13] biological where your own chemicals are creating visions as if you’re really

[00:41:19] seeing something but nothing’s there or hearing something nothing’s there so those would be something that would be more similar yeah now I actually read a

[00:41:26] study quite a while back I believe it was by Northwestern University talking

[00:41:31] about some sort of a link between they said people who have long term usage of

[00:41:38] marijuana actually there’s a 20% increase in their potential to have

[00:41:44] schizophrenia do you know if that’s true or not sure so the potential for psychosis is there and with any kind of

[00:41:51] a drug basically when you’re when you have that break from reality a lot of

[00:41:56] times you can get back into reality sometimes you don’t so and that’s what we’re seeing right now is with the

[00:42:02] increased potency the recovery of a person coming back and understanding what’s real and not real seems to be

[00:42:08] different it’s usually you’d have a break from front why you’re high yeah you know whatever you think in and

[00:42:14] believe in see as soon as that drugs out of your system your brain comes back you’re clear minded

[00:42:21] and everything can be in reality well that does not always happen and unfortunately the psychosis that comes

[00:42:27] from being drug-induced oftentimes you can’t use medication to help that so schizophrenia you can use medication a

[00:42:34] lot of times it will calm the psychosis down but sometimes what drug-induced you can’t now we have had success why is it

[00:42:40] that you can’t because of the source of why you have the psychotic break so organic schizophrenia usually is

[00:42:47] involving dopamine there’s much more to that but a lot of times it’s involving dopamine and so if you have a medication

[00:42:54] that will adjust your levels of dopamine sometimes those outside psychosis can be

[00:43:00] decreased we have had success it’s just not a guarantee so there’s a particular

[00:43:05] shot that we use sometimes for psychosis and it really works it takes away the psychosis right after they’ve gotten

[00:43:11] done using the drug and once they’ve been clean for a while there they come back they’re clear-headed they’re

[00:43:17] grounded in reality no problem but you always have this small percentage that never comes back the same well and and

[00:43:23] like you were saying interestingly when you use marijuana it actually stays on

[00:43:30] for a while that some of the literature I was reading was saying that you can still have some of the side effects a

[00:43:35] month after you’ve stopped using it absolutely yeah wow that’s that’s that

[00:43:40] should speak right there to a lot of people to say well we’ll stay away from this it’s really gonna mess you up and

[00:43:46] so you know people say hey we’re doing this recreationally or whatever what is

[00:43:52] what would you say to somebody who’s either trying to get off it or considering using it and and you know

[00:43:59] why they’re using it generally if they’re abusing it they’re medicating for it how do you advise people to deal

[00:44:06] with life if they’re not going to use marijuana to deal with the stress of life I mean we all have a lot of stress

[00:44:12] in our lives we have you know bills to pay we have relationships we’re trying to manage we have children we’re trying

[00:44:19] to raise we all have a lot of stress in our lives so what do you tell people

[00:44:24] when you’re saying okay you need to move off of this what how are they supposed to deal with the problems in their life

[00:44:30] instead of medicating sure I would say I need a lot longer to answer that question and I’m having a

[00:44:37] specific session on that at the family conference so they can come we dealt with it last year as well because yeah

[00:44:43] anxiety is number one that people come to mental health treatment providers for and that’s those who are seeking help

[00:44:50] how many of us have this stress and this weight and we never are actually going to get help for it so I would say you

[00:44:56] know we can find peace in God and we can build our relationship with God and that we have access to that peace but

[00:45:02] sometimes our biology from our past really works against us so it’s helpful to know how your brain and body works so

[00:45:09] that you can actually counteract that stress response it’s it’s a specific response in the body that it has to

[00:45:15] stress men for if your life was in danger but we activate it all the time and so learning about that system and

[00:45:21] how to control it without a substance is wonderful and it’s possible so to know

[00:45:27] there’s hope possibly a Christian counselor might be able to have the tools to walk with a person otherwise I

[00:45:32] have some videos and we’re gonna deal with it at the family conference so for this time I would say just know there is

[00:45:38] hope yeah and if you’re using it to make those feelings disappear just there’ll be a time most likely that that will

[00:45:45] feel like an addiction and here’s the thing it’s not just in it of itself that that’s a problem it usually isolates you separates you

[00:45:52] from your family and the people you care about that’s the big deal about addictions and so that’s going to have a

[00:45:58] long-term effect on other people you care about so that’s something to consider I want to talk a little bit more about that we have one more segment

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[00:47:47] [Applause] welcome back to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover and I’m really

[00:47:53] glad that you’re here if you want to call in we have one segment left it’s going to be a short one we went a little bit over on the other segments the

[00:47:59] number to call in is eight six six five seven seven two four seven three it’s an opportunity to talk to Julie and she’s a

[00:48:06] professional when it comes to issues like addiction and and not just not just drug addiction but other types of

[00:48:12] addictions as well and so if you’d like to get some tips from her now’s your opportunity you can also meet her and

[00:48:18] talk to her at the family conference which is Saturday May 5th this year 9 to 4 p.m. at Maple View

[00:48:24] Church 1-3 176 Maple view and you can also get information at family

[00:48:30] conference info and I’m also putting on an event it’s gonna be out in East

[00:48:35] County and it’s with Danny ray he’s a world famous illusionist he’s also going to be sharing the gospel but we’re also

[00:48:41] going to have Erik Fuhrer there and Eric Beer is an expert on the state education code and what’s legal in public schools

[00:48:47] is it legal to share my testimony in public schools if I’m a teacher is it

[00:48:52] legal to talk about the Apostle Paul in the Bible you’ll be amazed to know that there is a lot of things in the

[00:48:58] California State Education Code that are very friendly to Christianity so if you are involved in education whether you’re

[00:49:04] an administrator student teacher or parent I would love to have you at our

[00:49:09] event you can register at EFL Danny Raycom EFL Danny Raycom and it’s a free

[00:49:15] event also you can you can get out there no cost and you’ll be really blessed so um dr. Hayden you mentioned you know I’m

[00:49:23] Benny mentioned this when he called into the car that called in he talked about coping with these things and how to cope

[00:49:28] and deal with these things and my question was you know anxiety is so high

[00:49:34] you know my first run-in with anxiety was my my fiancee at the time was

[00:49:42] struggling with anxiety and it was actually manifesting in physical symptoms my fiancee who is now my wife

[00:49:49] and we didn’t know what was going on we were like what in the world is happening I thought like we were going to doctors

[00:49:56] and back this was this was quite a while ago and so I think what I was what we were experiencing wasn’t well

[00:50:02] known at the time that anxiety could do the kind of damage that it that it was doing to my my wife and so my question

[00:50:11] is is how do you lower anxiety and how do you cope with the I know there’s this

[00:50:17] is a long subject but maybe something short for our for our listeners who are

[00:50:22] dealing with issues that are really heavy and they don’t know where to go to deal with it

[00:50:29] what’s the start get get good counseling but how does their thinking have to

[00:50:35] change do they have to get stuff out of their lives what what’s the fix here sure I’ll give a few tips one is to

[00:50:42] remember that feelings cannot hurt you so if you were consumed bangs ID and you could not escape it and you were trapped

[00:50:48] nothing would actually happen it cannot hurt you and that realization has helped

[00:50:54] many many people and they’ve sat in their anxiety for a moment to feel it without xscape in it and they realized

[00:51:01] nothing actually happens now you can go do something but if you don’t nothing will happen it won’t harm you

[00:51:06] and so that’s a starting point then you can get to know it and figure out where

[00:51:11] is it coming from your body is talking to you so listen to it hmm I think thinking’s huge so there’s three

[00:51:17] parts of a strategy you could use to help improve your thinking spend a week paying attention to your thoughts do you

[00:51:24] think all day long worries about everything as your thoughts always negative do judge everybody no how’s

[00:51:30] your thinking so spend a week thinking about your thought is journaling a part of that I’ve heard I love journaling but

[00:51:38] I won’t follow through on homework so I don’t I’m so easy yeah second start

[00:51:45] thinking how else could I think about this spend a week doing that then the third week think how do I think truth so

[00:51:53] we have access to truth different than others we know as scripture says so there may be something clear that’s true

[00:51:59] otherwise maybe it’s thinking what’s logical do I have evidence for something to have evidence I’m ignoring because of

[00:52:05] something in my past yeah so that three step can really make a difference that’s your thinking

[00:52:11] matters when it comes to anxiety can you summarize those sure think about your thinking think how

[00:52:17] else can I think about this and then choose your thinking and I say choose truth yeah wow that’s awesome and look

[00:52:24] at that that was in just a few minutes can you imagine it what what you’re gonna get if you’re listening out there if you go to the family conference I

[00:52:30] can’t even imagine it’s probably gonna be life-changing so I encourage you to get out there it’s no cost and again

[00:52:36] that if you want to register or find out more information family conference info and Julie we’re almost out of time here

[00:52:43] our last segment is pretty short here I really appreciate you being on the air with us I think it’s a fantastic

[00:52:48] opportunity here and real quick tell us what rhombus means again sure it’s it’s

[00:52:53] a term for a diamond so it’s multifaceted so approaching people who are complex you want to come from many

[00:52:59] different perspectives and that’s one way to find health is to look at it from a lot of perspectives amen amen and the

[00:53:05] verse I shared earlier if you’re listening I love this scripture from the Apostle Paul in the Word of God

[00:53:12] everything is permissible for me but not all things are beneficial everything is permissible for me but I will not be

[00:53:17] enslaved by anything and I think one of the things the question that I put up on Facebook was is it a sin to use

[00:53:22] recreational drugs that are legal right and I think you know where we cross the

[00:53:28] line is when something else begins to control us instead of us controlling it God one of the fruits of the Spirit is

[00:53:33] self-control and as soon as we begin to diminish in being able to control ourselves then we know we’re crossing a

[00:53:39] line into something that is not going to be good for us and God loves us and wants to protect us and keep us safe so

[00:53:45] when you’re thinking about the issue of marijuana or THC or these sorts of things

[00:53:50] from a Christian perspective you heard some great testimonies today I hope that blessed you thanks for being with us those you who listened and we’ll be back

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