Are Ghosts Real? – Nichole Strickland

[00:00:00] [Music] thanks for listening today this is educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover and if you’re watching on

[00:00:06] Facebook or YouTube or periscope one of those we just recorded it real quickly

[00:00:12] with Ken Ham I had him for 30 minutes and we’re we’re doing two shows in one day today so my guest now is Nicole

[00:00:19] Strickland her website is author Nicole Strickland comm she is the founder and director of the San Diego Paranormal

[00:00:26] Research Society she serves as the team’s EVP specialists if you don’t know what that is you’ll find out here soon

[00:00:32] and historical locations case manager in 2008 she published her third book about

[00:00:38] the Queen Mary titled the RMS Queen Mary voices from her voyages and that shares

[00:00:44] stories sailing stories accounts and memories from former ship crew passengers world war ii veterans and war

[00:00:51] brides also in 2018 she wrote San Diego’s most haunted the historical

[00:00:57] legacy and paranormal Marvel’s so she’s a San Diego local thanks for being on

[00:01:03] the show today thank you for having me what an honor yeah absolutely I’m excited because this is the first time I’ve ever had somebody who does

[00:01:09] paranormal paranormal research on the show Wow first for everything yeah exactly so very excited yeah but anyway

[00:01:17] why don’t we start off with sharing with our guests how did you even get interested in studying paranormal

[00:01:24] activity in these sorts of things how did you how did that start absolutely well I’ve always had an interest in it ever since I was a child

[00:01:31] so growing up I was born in Huntington Beach California and then I moved to Las Vegas for a few years and so as a young

[00:01:38] child the house that we had was I would say a little bit on more on the haunted side always had interesting experiences

[00:01:44] there my parents were very open to my experiences I think at times because I was four and five years at that time

[00:01:51] they probably thought oh she’s having like an imaginary friend so to speak but now that I’m older and I’ve been doing

[00:01:57] this sort of research for many years I have come to surmise but I was probably

[00:02:02] communicating with energies that were on the land at that time okay so I’ve always had an interest you know

[00:02:09] going through my elementary middle and high school years however during this mice your year in college while I was

[00:02:15] attending the University of Arizona my mom’s mom so my maternal grandmother was

[00:02:21] diagnosed with congestive heart failure and so she died passed away my senior

[00:02:26] year and so what it’s an interesting story the night before she passed she contacted me in the afternoon and she

[00:02:33] just wanted to ask me she said sweetheart are you okay and I thought that that was kind of odd it was a

[00:02:38] random question and I said yes grandma I’m fine you know I’m busy with college and my studies and working I’m fine and

[00:02:44] I because I had a lot of classwork I kind of rushed her off the phone and then the next morning my mom called me

[00:02:52] and when I answered she said Nicole I love you so much and I knew at that point I’m like okay

[00:02:58] what happened and so she proceeded to tell me that my grandmother her name was Helen passed away early in the morning

[00:03:05] and I was devastated just devastated it was extremely close to my grandmother and so I booked the next flight out to

[00:03:12] San Diego and to be with the family my grandmother didn’t really have any

[00:03:17] services per se it was just a very quiet time for the family and so I spent the weekend there in San Diego then went

[00:03:24] back to Tucson Arizona where the University of Arizona is based and this didn’t start right away I would say a

[00:03:30] few days after I started hearing sounds in my apartment mainly the doorknob to

[00:03:37] my bedroom and my front door to my apartment started rattling of its own volition and I thought oh it’s vibration

[00:03:45] caused from my neighbors I was trying to investigate to see if I could come up with an explanation and I couldn’t and I

[00:03:50] didn’t really connect the dots at that time couple days later I was on my bed doing classwork and I felt a disembodied

[00:03:58] hand meaning I didn’t see the hand at the time but I felt the hand touch my face and it felt as if it came from

[00:04:04] someone that I knew and loved someone that was very close to me and at that point I started to connect the dots and

[00:04:11] I started to question okay as my grandmother here in spirit forum so needless to say a couple more days

[00:04:17] passed again I was in my room doing studies when I noticed movement out of

[00:04:23] my left peripheral vision and when I looked I saw my grandmother standing over in your

[00:04:29] room my closet was in my bedroom full-bodied just as if you’re looking at

[00:04:35] me or me looking at you she was adorned and one of her favorite house dresses that she used to like to wear she looked

[00:04:41] about 10 years younger a little bit more robust because she had lost a lot of weight when she got older and she just

[00:04:49] stood there with a slight smile on her face and then he manifested right before my eyes and the experience was so

[00:04:56] profound that I called my mom to tell her about it and my mom Norma and I

[00:05:01] agreed to openly talk with Helen and let her know that the family’s okay she’s

[00:05:07] free to move on wherever that is so and after that after our talk with her those

[00:05:13] experiences that I had dissolved I didn’t have them anymore and so it was just such a profound experience for me

[00:05:21] and not one experience is what catapulted me into active investigation

[00:05:26] of the paranormal realm so I’ve been a paranormal researcher for about 20 years now

[00:05:31] Wow that’s so interesting you know for our listeners you know this show is it’s a Christian apologetics show and so I

[00:05:38] have people from all walks of life with all different opinions on the show I’ve had Buddhists on the show I’ve had

[00:05:44] Muslims on the show I’ve had atheists on the show and and so how would you

[00:05:49] classify yourself Nicole as far as from a religious or a spiritual standpoint where do you fall on that spectrum I

[00:05:57] would say more for me I’m more along the lines of a spiritualist okay I believe that there is a greater good yeah I kind

[00:06:04] of I have a very strong belief and universal consciousness and I’m the

[00:06:10] universal collective consciousness so I would say more along the lines of a spiritualist however you know I did go

[00:06:15] to when I was younger I did go to Catholic school and okay a lot of my family is is of the Catholic religion

[00:06:22] but I don’t necessarily adopt that I’m more or less just more of a spiritualist

[00:06:27] okay okay so for those of you listening you know from a from a Christian perspective and and why I love talking

[00:06:34] to people with different perspectives and these sorts of things is because it’s important to understand where people are coming from we all have

[00:06:40] different life experience and and as I’m sure you know Nicole Christians and the Bible has a lot to

[00:06:47] say about the spiritual world and and whether there’s an interaction with evil

[00:06:53] spirits or good spirits like angels and these sorts of things so as we as a

[00:06:58] Christian as I study these issues I actually just went through a unit with my students talking all about this this

[00:07:04] sort of thing interesting yeah and so at a Christian high school and so we’re trying to formulate our thoughts in a

[00:07:11] way that is accurate right it’s true to reality and we go hey what what is this here you know we’re we’re puzzling it

[00:07:17] out and we don’t all know and so you decided to take initiative and go hey I want to get to figure this out more I

[00:07:23] want to understand this better right yeah and so that that has taken you down a path where you’ve actually become an

[00:07:28] expert in San Diego on a lot of the different houses that have claimed to be

[00:07:33] haunted and these sorts of things I wouldn’t say expert per se more of a more along the lines of a specialist I I

[00:07:40] this is more of a personal belief for me I don’t think because the paranormal realm ghosts and spirits because they’re

[00:07:46] not scientifically proven I mean we haven’t proven that ghosts exist we have why is that it seems like the amount of

[00:07:56] experiences that people have had with this that there’d be some way to you know scientifically verify things I

[00:08:02] think that were if we I’m not sure if we’re ever going to know exactly the what when why and how of ghosts and

[00:08:10] spirits I think that the paranormal realm might remain elusive but because

[00:08:15] the field is so popular and more and more paranormal researchers are coming

[00:08:20] to the forefront and trying to examine this phenomenon and to see if we can get closer to proving you know I’m not sure

[00:08:26] if we’re gonna ever be able to prove but there are various theories that myself and my other colleagues have developed

[00:08:33] as to ghosts and spirits and hauntings so we have those and we’re currently

[00:08:38] testing those and developing new hypotheses but right now it’s just an we

[00:08:44] don’t know exactly what ghosts and spirits are I mean you know everyone has their their own belief and I have mine

[00:08:49] of course but it’s definitely interesting yeah I had a friend in high school who

[00:08:55] she had a lot of kind of supernatural experiences where she would see people

[00:09:00] sitting on the edge of her bed sometimes she was very fearful of it and you know

[00:09:06] just a lot of trauma really surrounded it and then I have even students that have said hey I’ve gone through this or

[00:09:13] I’ve gone through that and so I have my own ideas based on what the Bible teaches about okay here’s what’s

[00:09:18] probably going on and I actually dealt with a kid where I don’t really want to

[00:09:25] call it an exorcism because I wasn’t I don’t think of myself as a qualified

[00:09:30] Exorcist or anything but we definitely had a spiritual experience where he said there was somebody that was actually coming would physically choke him and do

[00:09:38] just it was just a bizarre experience and so when I when I saw that happen for

[00:09:45] me this whole spiritual world took on a whole new light because I thought oh my goodness this is very serious it’s very

[00:09:51] real there’s stuff going on here and you know I I then wanted to spend more time understanding okay what is happening

[00:09:58] here so my guest today is Nicole Strickland stay with us we’re gonna talk about some of the experience she’s had

[00:10:04] over 20 years she’s been exploring this studying it doing her best to apply scientific rigor to it and so we’re

[00:10:11] gonna hear some of her stories and what her theories are about what’s going on in the spiritual world when it comes to

[00:10:17] hauntings and these sorts of things so I hope you enjoy the show today you can wave to the camera Nicole and we’ll be

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[00:12:09] imagine there so thanks for being with us today my guest today is Nicole Strickland her website’s author Nicole

[00:12:15] Strickland comm and she’s a great resource for you if you want to check out all things regarding paranormal

[00:12:22] activity and stuff she’s been doing this for 20 years and she has some great books out about places that are

[00:12:28] particularly considered haunted for example she has a book RMS Queen Mary

[00:12:33] voices from her voyages also she wrote San Diego’s most haunted the historical legacy and paranormal Marvel’s so she’s

[00:12:42] a local here in San Diego and Nicole why don’t you talk to us a little bit about some of your experiences or some of the

[00:12:48] highlights of what you do as far as you know checking out these different houses and you were talking about how you and

[00:12:54] your team actually this isn’t you you told me all fair it’s not ghost hunting

[00:12:59] per se can you give us the difference between ghost hunting and what you do absolutely and this is more along the

[00:13:05] lines of my opinion in my team’s opinion of the term ghost not that there’s

[00:13:10] anything wrong with the term ghost hunting sure but there’s a different psychological mindset between those that

[00:13:16] claim to be ghost hunters and those that claim to be paranormal researchers ghost hunting implies more or less of a

[00:13:23] thrill-seeking nature so not really wanting to delve into the adjunct research that we as researchers do

[00:13:31] geology illogical archaeological historical talking with a lot of eyewitnesses there are a lot of hours

[00:13:37] that go into a case study so those that are just out for thrill seeking may not want to devote

[00:13:43] hours whereas myself my team and many of my other colleagues paranormal research

[00:13:49] implies more of the serious approach to the study of the paranormal phenomenon

[00:13:55] so we spend hours reviewing data talking to eyewitnesses interviewing clients

[00:14:01] doing a ton of historical research because the paranormal and history are

[00:14:06] considered pretty much best friends you really can’t have one without the other so in a place maybe have paranormal

[00:14:14] activity but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s haunted the place that’s haunted is going to have paranormal

[00:14:19] activities so with the haunting more or less there has to be some sort of historical tie to that location so this

[00:14:28] my team is the San Diego Paranormal Research Society I founded it in 2009 and we’ve worked really hard and we’re

[00:14:35] one of San Diego’s premier teams and we approached the field both kind of with a

[00:14:41] scientific approach and with an intuitive metaphysical approach so we use our intuition we use various tools

[00:14:49] of the trade environmental monitoring devices divining rods certain crystals

[00:14:56] pendulums that sort of thing so we run the whole gamut it gives us a more holistic approach but we do specialize

[00:15:02] in private residence cases historical cases and business cases so we’ve done many of those so do people call you up

[00:15:09] and say hey I’m I think that my house might be haunted can you come check it out and tell me what’s going on

[00:15:14] absolutely we have our website San Diego Paranormal Research calm and we have an

[00:15:20] investigation request form on there so we if someone emails us or through

[00:15:26] word-of-mouth or they contact us we we divert them to the website and then they

[00:15:31] fill out that questionnaire once that’s sent to us then we arrange a phone

[00:15:36] meeting where we talk a little bit more about their answers and get a little bit more of a in-depth idea of what’s going

[00:15:43] on at that point we will then schedule what’s called a preliminary where we go

[00:15:48] to the home or business if you will and we’ll go on a walkthrough with the

[00:15:55] owners or renters / they maybe and will develop or write up a case map of where a lot of the hot

[00:16:01] spot areas are hot spot meaning where they’re having the paranormal activity and the location will take a lot of

[00:16:08] baseline photography some baseline environmental monitoring just to get a little idea about the location and then

[00:16:15] we do a full client interview not just with the client if their I witness is we will interview them separately to avoid

[00:16:21] bias and power of suggestion and the client interview is very very important and that can take somewhere up to like

[00:16:28] two to three hours many different questions are asked and so at that point then we’ll decide collectively if an

[00:16:35] investigation is warranted a lot of planes just want peace of mind they just want to know that they’re not crazy

[00:16:41] right so that’s a common theme also I mean some like many of our cases people

[00:16:48] may have weird sounds that occur in their house or maybe the electricity is off a little bit so it may not

[00:16:54] necessarily warrant an investigation it could be that there’s a plumbing issue or that they need their electrical lines

[00:17:00] checked that sort of thing but a lot of times it’s more or less validation but it’s very rewarding work yeah now when

[00:17:08] you first got into this I mean I can imagine if if I had gotten in office I would be a little nervous and a little

[00:17:14] scared at times was there any times like that you’ve been like whoa this is a little scary is getting in a direction I

[00:17:19] don’t want to go or a couple of times I mean for me personally the spirit realm

[00:17:24] doesn’t scare me and I’ve been doing this for 20 years yeah never had anything malevolent or

[00:17:30] evil come my way my co-director her name’s Allie Schreiber couldn’t be here

[00:17:36] today but her and I kind of are of the same opinion in this regard we feel that

[00:17:41] you know the majority of ethereal energy that’s out there whether we’re dealing

[00:17:46] with earthbound energies or spirits or angels or elementals most of them are

[00:17:52] are benign they’re they’re loving they’re curious they don’t fall into

[00:17:58] that malevolent category yeah I’m not saying that malevolence doesn’t exist

[00:18:03] but in our experience we’ve never really had an experience with that and we do believe that when you are working in

[00:18:09] this field and you are communicating with the ethereal realm what you put out you get back okay what

[00:18:16] if you and what one of our hallmark core values is respect we go into a location

[00:18:22] and we respect that location and we treat not just our clients but the location but we treat the energies with

[00:18:28] reverence I don’t care what that person did in life that person’s gone now and you go a long way with respect but I

[00:18:35] have had a couple of cases where I a couple locations where I’ve gone where I’ve kind of felt a little nervous I

[00:18:42] just like I’m not welcome there so in that case I’ll leave okay yeah but it’s

[00:18:47] it’s very rare I’ve never really come across anything really like scary

[00:18:53] okay now is there any crossover between what you’re doing from a spiritual

[00:18:58] perspective as far as you know your metaphysics and and how your your theories about how things work in the

[00:19:05] spiritual realm is there any crossover from your view and say you know like a

[00:19:10] biblical view or a a Christian view do you have do you believe in angels do you

[00:19:15] believe that the ghosts are primarily people that used to be here or what are

[00:19:21] the different entities and metaphysical beings that exist as far as you you

[00:19:27] think oh absolutely there’s we have different classifications theoretical classifications for what energies are

[00:19:34] there is a difference between a ghost and a spirit so for us paranormal

[00:19:39] researchers if we’re talking about a ghost we’re talking more or less about an earthbound entity so that earthbound

[00:19:46] entity for whatever reason has not it has passed on but hasn’t really reached

[00:19:52] the spirit level decides to stay on this plane of existence for whatever reason maybe by choice maybe there’s some

[00:19:59] unfinished business it I don’t know it could be many different reasons a spirit

[00:20:05] on the other hand is someone that has passed but has been able to evolve to that higher dimension and so a spirit

[00:20:12] can come back to our plane at free will whenever he or she decides so ghosts and

[00:20:19] spirits are the most common and of course I I do believe in angels I do believe in extraterrestrials and

[00:20:26] that sort of thing there’s different elemental classifications there’s what

[00:20:32] we call crisis apparitions theoretically those are when people have sightings of

[00:20:38] those they they see someone that has is either one about to pass or has recently

[00:20:45] passed so there’s all kinds of different classifications but more or less what we

[00:20:51] deal with is the ghost and spirit classification okay well we’re coming up

[00:20:57] on another break here my guest today is Nicole Strickland and she is been working on paranormal paranormal

[00:21:03] research here in San Diego as a variety as well as a variety of other places for about 20 years she’s got a bunch of

[00:21:09] books on them and you can check her out author Nicole Strickland comm if you’re interested in checking out the books and

[00:21:15] her group also is open to being contacted if you have if you think hey I

[00:21:20] want to check out if something’s happening in my home if you if you’re experiencing some sort of paranormal

[00:21:26] activity you can look her up and check it out and they’ll be happy to come out and decide

[00:21:31] what or help you figure out what’s going on so stay with us I’m going to ask her lots more questions we’re going to have a great discussion here and we’ll be

[00:21:38] right back

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[00:22:50] hey thanks for being with us today this is Kevin Conover I’m your host you’re on educate for life radio and we are airing

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[00:23:08] wherever we are you can you can check us out and I have a great discussion happening here with Nicole Strickland

[00:23:14] she is the author of RMS Queen Mary voices from her voyages as well as San

[00:23:21] Diego’s most haunted the historical legacy and paranormal Marvel’s and I wanted to ask you Nicole

[00:23:27] share with us share with our listeners some of the most significant significant experiences you’ve had over the past 20

[00:23:34] years that for you we’re really amazing you know I I interview a lot of different people on the show and

[00:23:39] atheists a lot of atheists are materialist so they’ll say something like you know what there’s no such thing

[00:23:45] as ghosts if I can’t see it hear it touch it feel it smell it then it doesn’t exist and so you know what

[00:23:52] you’re doing in a sense confirms that hey there’s a spiritual world out there that’s beyond our normal senses and what

[00:24:00] what would you say to somebody who says that who says no there’s none of that out there there’s no there’s no supernatural things and then what

[00:24:07] experiences have you had which for you are just overwhelmingly compelling that this is the truth oh absolutely well you

[00:24:14] know and in the field we separate cynics from skeptics and I think that with

[00:24:20] every researcher it’s important to have a healthy dose of skepticism you want to

[00:24:26] go into a location with an open mind you don’t want to go in with a cynical type of mind so a cynical person would say oh

[00:24:32] yeah no you know no I don’t believe in anything they could have a full-bodied

[00:24:37] apparition appear in front of them and they would still try to debunk it they would still not believe and that’s fine

[00:24:43] there’s nothing wrong with that in in my reason in my 20 years and beyond of

[00:24:48] doing this work I’ve had many many compelling encounters at many different locations one of them that’s very near

[00:24:56] and dear to my heart is the RMS Queen Mary historic ship up in Long Beach California and I’ve been devoting the

[00:25:02] last fifteen years to not only historical research of the liner but paranormal research so some of my most compelling

[00:25:10] profound encounters have occurred there I mean I’ve seen full-bodied apparitions I’ve seen shadow phenomena there are a

[00:25:19] couple entities on board that are documented deceased crew members I’ve

[00:25:24] seen those individuals as full-bodied apparitions we have are you able to get

[00:25:31] any document like a video footage of these or do they not show up on video or how does that work sometimes you can um

[00:25:37] it’s it’s rare to capture something on photo row video visually it audio is a

[00:25:43] little bit more prolific in that case but we I have many different audio captures of what I can’t explain are

[00:25:52] these like audible voices speaking oh yeah there’s we there’s two different

[00:26:00] classification Amin ah so that’s electronic electronic voice phenomenon and that’s a word or phrase or a sound

[00:26:06] that is not heard at the time of recording but when you go back later on and review your audio you do hear

[00:26:13] something why is that why is it that you can’t is it just because our ears can’t pick it up or something if I were to sit

[00:26:19] here and say I have an absolute answer for you I’d be a fraud we don’t know yeah we we don’t know it’s theorized

[00:26:25] that entities are able to somehow manipulate the electronic recording

[00:26:30] devices it just we don’t really know it’s just something that’s just remained it’s just elusive yeah

[00:26:36] then a disembodied voice like earlier when I was talking about the disembodied

[00:26:42] hand that I felt on my face a disembodied voice is a word or a phrase

[00:26:47] that you do here at the time of recording that may or may not be captured on an audio or video device and

[00:26:54] then we have another experimental methodology that we use which is

[00:27:01] instrumental transcommunication which is kind of like a cousin to EVP and a VP

[00:27:06] but it’s more real-time communication between the living and the deceased so

[00:27:12] if you’ve watched some of the ghost shows on television they use various devices called spirit boxes and those can scan

[00:27:20] the AM and FM bands of a radio at a super high rate and it’s theorized that

[00:27:26] energies can manipulate the frequency of those devices and and communicate and so

[00:27:31] we’ve had so is there a barrier between us being able to communicate them just like you and I are doing right now but

[00:27:37] but because of the frequency is something there’s a reasoning that somehow they’re able to get through in

[00:27:42] that way we know again it’s just we don’t know exactly how they’re able to do that I really wish I mean that’s

[00:27:48] something that we’re trying to research I wish I had a definitive answer but it’s I mean we have some compelling

[00:27:53] audio one location up here in Vista California the Rancho buena vista Doby

[00:28:00] Ali and I are the co-hosts to the spirits of the Adobe tours there which are fundraising tours for the Rancho

[00:28:06] Buena Vista Adobe we’ve been doing those for eight years as well as our own private research there and we have some

[00:28:13] very profound historically relevant ITC spirit box captures that are pretty much

[00:28:21] that verify some of the historical information regarding the property I mean these are with ITC with spirit

[00:28:27] boxes you don’t want to have to strain trying to listen to words coming through it has to be a very profound word or

[00:28:34] phrase that everyone can hear that is historically relevant meaning that it correlates to the questions we’re asking

[00:28:40] or it answers or correlates to a piece of history of that location so it’s very

[00:28:46] interesting we have many of those from there and as well as the Queen Mary and and some other locations as well but a

[00:28:53] lot of people like to dismiss personal encounters because there’s they don’t

[00:28:59] really classify as tangible evidence and I and I understand that to an extent but a personal I I believe that a personal

[00:29:06] encounter is just as important as an anomaly on a photograph or a video clip

[00:29:12] or an audio clip it’s just it’s another piece of the puzzle yeah and so many times people have a personal encounter

[00:29:18] that will correlate to a specific piece of data that we capture and whenever you

[00:29:24] can get that happening it’s more pieces of the puzzle that you can put together

[00:29:29] so if somebody is like you know are there people of course people experience

[00:29:35] psychosis right right you know there are people that have legitimate schizophrenia where they’re hearing and

[00:29:41] seeing things that aren’t there how do you differentiate between whether somebody’s experiencing something that’s

[00:29:47] some sort of hallucination or something versus something that’s actually real is

[00:29:53] what part of your process you know breaks that down for somebody who calls

[00:29:58] up and says hey I I want to know what’s going on here this is an excellent question this was probably more or less

[00:30:03] fall into the private residence category and so we’re very selective when taking

[00:30:09] on clients for private residents case studies because of this we won’t take on

[00:30:14] case studies if someone’s dealing with the physical illness or a mental illness or if a member of the family that lives

[00:30:20] there doesn’t want us there so there’s a lot of factors that go into whether we take on a case or not and a lot of it is

[00:30:29] determined in the client interview I mean if you you can kind of tell when someone’s not really mentally there we

[00:30:37] do ask questions pertaining to medication and of course everything’s confidential between us and the clients

[00:30:42] so we do have a reason why we ask are you on certain medications because medications have side effects and you

[00:30:49] know hallucinations can be one of those but it’s an individual individual basis

[00:30:55] and you can we can just kind of tell and I have a little bit of a psychological background but we can pretty much tell

[00:31:03] when someone is really not really there mentally versus someone who’s seems like

[00:31:11] their head is screwed on tight you know they’re they’re working and and they’re out in the work force they seem to be

[00:31:17] mentally and physically stable yeah so it’s just kind of it’s hard to exactly

[00:31:23] because with each person it’s different but there’s a lot of it’s common sense and then just kind of what we’re getting

[00:31:29] all right now do you ever do anything

[00:31:35] with things like near-death experiences do it do people ever talk to you about that sort of a thing where they have like an out-of-body experience or

[00:31:41] something like that do you do it research on those sorts of things also we little bit yeah we’ve had clients that have had near-death experiences and a

[00:31:49] lot of times with those clients that have had near-death experiences or n DS similar to like an out-of-body

[00:31:54] experience again well in in our we see a theme with those types of clients and

[00:32:00] that once the NDE happens that particular individual is more open to

[00:32:05] the spirit realm so we’ve heard from a lot of people that prior to that near-death experience they really

[00:32:12] weren’t having a lot of experiences whether it be auditory or visual but

[00:32:17] then after the NDE all of a sudden their their spirit senses if you will have opened up so we

[00:32:23] see that that theme as well yeah it’s really interesting and then we’re coming

[00:32:30] up on a break here but I wanted to ask you if if the country.the or like the USA is different than say another

[00:32:37] country like Africa or a country in Europe or South America if in your experience there’s a difference in the

[00:32:44] spiritual activity or the spiritual level or whatever that might be but when we come back my guest today is author

[00:32:50] Nicola Strickland and she’s a paranormal researcher and she’s actually founded

[00:32:56] here in San Diego the San Diego Paranormal Research Society so she’s been doing this for 20 years

[00:33:02] stay with us we’re gonna talk a little bit in the next segment about worldview you know how does your your viewpoint

[00:33:08] change things as far as a biblical worldview she’s a spiritualist kind of background

[00:33:15] and so we’ll talk a dialogue a little bit about that and I’ll ask her some more questions and you can hear her

[00:33:20] perspective on things so stay with us we’ll be right back [Music]

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[00:34:29] okay you’re on educate for life radio I’m your host Kevin Conover my websites educate for life.org

[00:34:35] if you want to check it out I have all kinds of resources on my website classes you can take that pertain to all the

[00:34:41] different big questions about life why are we here where are we going where we come from how do different worldviews

[00:34:48] contrast with the Christian worldview so we have classes on Islam and what Islam believes about the spiritual world we

[00:34:55] have classes on Buddhism and then we have all kinds of things about okay how do we know that God exists how do we

[00:35:02] know that the spiritual world exists these are all big questions people want the answers to so you can check it out

[00:35:07] on my website educate for life org and I’m super excited here to have Nicole

[00:35:13] Strickland on my program I’ve never had somebody who’s a paranormal researcher on my show before and I think it’s just

[00:35:19] super interesting she’s been doing this for twenty years her website is author Nicole Strickland comm and Nicole before

[00:35:27] we got off the air I was asking you doesn’t make a difference based on where you are in the world as far as how

[00:35:36] people at the level of spiritual activity or even I’d say different places in San Diego County even I think

[00:35:43] there’s a cultural impact so I mean in a religious – if we go to a certain

[00:35:49] country in there there are if they have like a certain religious disposition or belief about spirits that’s going to

[00:35:56] play into into the research of course but I think it just depends – on on the

[00:36:01] location I mean a lot of cities like San Diego is just so historically you know

[00:36:07] rich and so I think there’s a correlation with with history and the

[00:36:13] events that have happened in that city and that can help determine the city is

[00:36:19] older like I mean a lot of European countries right very very old cities does that impact in your view the I

[00:36:26] think so because you know the longer a city exists and the more events that happen there whether they’re tragic

[00:36:32] events or happy events yeah the more of a foundation is laid for paranormal type

[00:36:38] of activity is is your viewpoint that the the more tragic events that happened the more a

[00:36:43] ghost is going to end up staying behind for some reason to resolve something I

[00:36:49] think yes I do think that there is a correlation with not just tragic events pretty much if you if you think about

[00:36:55] various human emotions whether there’s euphoria sadness anger tragedy so all of

[00:37:04] those play into haunting so that’s why a lot of places like amusement parks museums libraries if you will hospitals

[00:37:13] historical like battlefields for example that’s why a lot of those are known for

[00:37:19] their paranormal activity just because of the events that have happened in the past okay so it almost leaves like like

[00:37:26] a footprint or an imprint like a psychic imprint on the property so so we had somebody text in we have a question from

[00:37:33] Robert that he wanted to ask you do you have any experience with possessions and I assume he’s coming from a

[00:37:40] judeo-christian background he’s thinking of some sort of like a demonic possession or something in that sense so

[00:37:46] I have not personally and my the San Diego Paranormal Research Society elects

[00:37:52] not to take on cases of true malevolent emphasis we do have a few people that we

[00:37:58] will consult with if someone does email us this is my opinion some will agree

[00:38:05] with me some won’t and that’s absolutely fine but I think that again the majority of the spirit world if you will is

[00:38:13] pretty benign curious it’s it’s it’s not going to harm you there have been cases

[00:38:20] true cases of people I think being possessed and though I think that true cases of that are far and few between

[00:38:27] very rare you know a lot of people may think that they have a possession but is

[00:38:33] it something external in their life like a mental illness or physical illness or

[00:38:39] an emotional disturbance of some sort that so they in a sense are blaming it

[00:38:44] on the paranormal but yet they have to look inward and they have to look at themselves and analyze their lives so I

[00:38:50] think a lot of cases of a lay demonic possession may not even be demonic possession whatsoever but in

[00:38:57] something in that person’s life yeah so so from you know from a Christian

[00:39:02] perspective where I’m coming from from like a bible-believing perspective you know that the metaphysics of Christianity is you know there’s God

[00:39:08] there are demons who are basically fallen angels that have rejected God

[00:39:14] they they don’t want they follow Lucifer and then there’s there’s angels that

[00:39:20] still follow God Michael the Archangel and so forth and then biblically and

[00:39:25] from a Christian perspective Jesus Christ being the son of God there’s power in the name of Christ these sorts

[00:39:31] of things generally the the dialog is or the metaphysics is that when a person dies

[00:39:37] they are then going to end up going to heaven or they’re gonna go to hell based

[00:39:42] on you know whether they made a decision to to trust Christ with their salvation

[00:39:48] and so forth how do ‘angels and demons and God how does that all fall into your

[00:39:54] metaphysics from from your perspective our angels is it the same concept within

[00:40:00] like within biblical Christianity and demons is that the same concept or is it a different thing I think I mean there

[00:40:08] could be five people in this room and they all have a different answer I mean because I’m more or less a spiritualist

[00:40:14] i I mean I for me I just think it’s it’s hard for me to answer that because I’m

[00:40:20] for me I’m more of a spiritualist so I don’t necessarily not that I don’t believe in it but I don’t necessarily

[00:40:26] adopt exactly like verbatim what the Bible is saying regarding angels and

[00:40:32] demons I don’t adopt that verbatim what’s said in there and apply it to my paranormal research not that I you know

[00:40:39] I’m dissing the Bible so no no no it’s I’m just curious to see how it fits in with your worldview as far as like so

[00:40:46] you told me that a ghost is like a person that is not left yet right so we think yes oh you sorry yeah yeah I know

[00:40:53] you so what would an angel be in in your mind what is is that a person that’s

[00:40:59] become a angel or what what is that I think there’s different clad there are different classifications for angels but

[00:41:05] in my view and Angel is a true angel as a non living entity meaning that it this

[00:41:12] person not from not person but this entity has never had like a human body

[00:41:17] has never once lived but is somehow a different entity that can kind of mesh

[00:41:23] with the living world or the spirit world but there are different classes I mean there’s different types of angels

[00:41:30] and everyone has a different view of exactly what an angel is some people may believe that when a person dies and that

[00:41:37] person becomes spirit if you will they question if that person becomes spirit

[00:41:44] can that individual then evolve to angel status I don’t know some people have that belief it’s just it’s it’s more

[00:41:51] along the lines of like what you individually believe I see yeah and then and then do you believe in God like a

[00:41:57] god figure or what is your view on that I do believe that there is a greater good out there I do believe and this is

[00:42:05] more or less my belief I do think that there’s a God in every single one of us I think like I said earlier I believe in

[00:42:12] a concept of of universal consciousness and collective consciousness I believe

[00:42:17] that all of us here you me everyone people in Africa people on all the continents we’re all connected somehow

[00:42:24] we’re all one somehow and I believe that there is a greater good and you know a

[00:42:31] greater power that exists in all of us yeah but some some people tap into it

[00:42:37] others don’t but think about it if everyone could tap into that like what we could see what changes we could see

[00:42:43] for the better and this in this world so yeah and so do you believe in like a

[00:42:49] heaven and hell also or you believe in reincarnation or what is your position I do believe in reincarnation absolutely I

[00:42:57] you know and I’m more inclined to to go to think that when people pass maybe

[00:43:05] they have some work that they have to do for certain things that happened in their life but I do really strongly I

[00:43:12] would like to believe that we all evolved to a really good place whatever that may be maybe it’s the next stage

[00:43:19] and our our living maybe it’s the next stage and and what we’re supposed to do I

[00:43:24] I believe that before we were born we had lives before past lives and I

[00:43:30] believe in future lives so I think it’s just kind of an evolving so we pass on

[00:43:36] from this realm and fergie it’s an individual basis so we pass on from this realm and we go to where we’re supposed

[00:43:42] to be that’s just kind of my gosh I believe okay well we’re running up out

[00:43:47] of time here so Nicole I just really wanted to thank you for being on the program today thank you for having me absolutely I have dialoguing with with

[00:43:54] different people and meeting different people and hearing their experiences absolutely yeah this has been really great things awesome thank you

[00:44:01] yeah for those of you listening if you didn’t get to listen to the whole program it’ll be up on YouTube it’ll be

[00:44:07] up on periscope on Facebook and I just want to encourage you you know we’re all trying to figure out spirituality that we’re trying to figure out hey what is

[00:44:14] the meaning of my life why don’t why am I here what’s my purpose why do I exist you know what our ghosts what’s going on

[00:44:19] in the spiritual world and the Bible has a ton to talk about on those particular subjects if you’re looking for guidance

[00:44:25] on that my websites a great resource for you that’s educate for life org and you know

[00:44:30] that the Bible says your word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path and a lot of times it’s easy to get

[00:44:36] confused about you know what’s the next decision I need to make here where you know what am i doing the right thing am

[00:44:41] i doing the wrong thing and so the Bible’s got all these great answers for

[00:44:47] you to check out and look into and I just really encourage you to spend the time it’s worth your time to get to know

[00:44:53] what the Word of God has to say so god bless you and I hope you have a fantastic weekend a bite

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