Discussing Equity and Equality – Eric Young

[00:00:01] welcome to educate for life this is kevin conover i’m your host here in southern california you can see if you’re watching us online

[00:00:07] we’re we are broadcasting live on facebook k praise 12 10 a.m and uh we’re also on fm

[00:00:13] 106.1 up in north county and uh i’m back in the studio for the first time i can’t believe this is crazy

[00:00:19] um and the studio looks totally different uh we’ve got shields up here between uh me and the guests we’ve got

[00:00:26] new chairs which look like they just came out of some sort of a race car which is pretty cool

[00:00:31] and uh and so we’re talking about um today we’re talking about all kinds of different stuff before i get into that

[00:00:38] before i introduce our guest i just want to remind you about my website educateforlife.org and my website is meant to give you all

[00:00:44] kinds of resources to be able to defend a biblical worldview right so it’s a it’s an apologetics website

[00:00:51] and there’s all kinds of stuff up there with interviews with people from all over the place uh just recently we’ve been talking a

[00:00:57] lot about the race issues that are popping up all over the country and uh is in the news everywhere and i

[00:01:03] think it’s really important because as a christian we need to be able to discuss these issues in a way that is

[00:01:09] compassionate loving and intelligent right and so we want to um we want to really be able

[00:01:15] to represent christ well we don’t want to mistakenly think that our view is the christian view or the biblical

[00:01:20] view when in fact we’re doing something or teaching something that’s off base and so i am i think that dialogue over

[00:01:26] these issues is critically important i think a lot of times we get trapped in our bubbles whether those are political

[00:01:32] bubbles whether those are social bubbles whether those are um even you know just interests bubbles

[00:01:38] of interest in which we don’t ever get out of those and so we kind of have this group think going on

[00:01:44] and we never get to hear somebody else’s perspective who’s actually doesn’t think the way we do and so i try to break through those barriers

[00:01:49] whenever i can and have the opportunity to talk to people who don’t agree with me or have views that are slightly

[00:01:54] different than mine and so today my guest is eric young and currently he works in

[00:01:59] san diego he’s in the government he works as a homeless advisor and director of protocol

[00:02:05] in san diego and what’s really cool about eric and i’m i’m super excited that we touch base here is he’s actually a former student

[00:02:12] of mine um back and he graduated in 2009 and uh just a super nice guy

[00:02:17] and he reached out to me on facebook after some discussions were taking place and we actually had a great phone call

[00:02:22] and eric i i really appreciate that i think that’s not something that a lot of people do a lot of people get into um

[00:02:28] you know shouting matches and they just disintegrate into like you know being separate so true yeah

[00:02:35] and you took the time to actually say hey i’d like to talk to you literally like right now which um i just want to applaud you for

[00:02:41] that because thank you for taking my call i appreciate it yeah for sure and and it

[00:02:47] makes me excited too because you’re rising up here in san diego as a leader in the community and it’s really cool to know that there

[00:02:53] are people like you that are influencing government and and influencing policy uh people that

[00:02:58] are willing to talk and have those discussions so i just want to thank you for coming on the show today well thank you for having me i’m not gonna lie i was a little

[00:03:05] nervous when you asked me to come on the show and then walking into this beautiful studio i was like oh it is

[00:03:10] this is real yeah this is legit it’s not in somebody’s garage

[00:03:15] or anything like that i was like oh man and they’re looking at the ferrari chairs i’m like oh that’s awesome the real deal

[00:03:22] well you’re dressed apart man you just you just got off work so yeah you look sharp you look better than i do so you look comfortable though

[00:03:28] yeah i do well that’s great so what we’re going to be talking about today i’m trying to approach this from different

[00:03:34] angles too so for those of you listening um you know i’m trying to approach this from different perspectives and

[00:03:40] when i interviewed clay williams last week a lot of what we were talking about um was his experiences and also

[00:03:48] we were talking about what what are the big issues that the black community is upset about and uh those that are

[00:03:55] upset because again we don’t want to treat any group like a monolith because not everybody thinks the same there’s a lot of people that have different

[00:04:00] thoughts about these issues and and today when i was talking with eric to to uh talk about coming on the

[00:04:06] air eric i asked you specifically um because you mentioned something i thought was really important you said

[00:04:12] i believe um that equity and opportunity are are a key factor in

[00:04:18] solving some of the issues that we’re dealing with today and so i asked you what do you think are

[00:04:23] some of the major areas in which there isn’t equity currently for maybe the black community and um

[00:04:31] opportunity can be increased and um so and just so you know where we’re coming from

[00:04:36] um eric can you share with our listeners just where you fall um politically um just because i like to

[00:04:42] have full disclosure on these issues and i’ll share with everybody i think most of our listeners know where i’m coming from but

[00:04:48] so go ahead politically i fall center center right i lean more fiscally conservative and socially

[00:04:54] liberal okay um very progressive on that stance i view myself as independent i’m very anti-political parties um

[00:05:02] polarized spectrums i’m not a huge fan of at all um i think a lot of it because we’re talking about systemic racism there’s a

[00:05:08] lot of policies on both parties um you can take the sins equally um that

[00:05:13] have done a lot of harm to a lot of uh marginalized communities yeah so i’m not supportive either you’re you’re i’m

[00:05:20] going for whatever candidate has got the best solutions to what you see as the issues exactly

[00:05:25] yeah i want to look at each individual um their policy that they stand for the

[00:05:30] platform that they represent and so i voted for both sides i voted for republicans voted for democrats gotcha

[00:05:36] um okay awesome and so if you’re tuning in you’ve never heard my views i am uh very much a

[00:05:42] conservative um i’ve never voted anything other than republican and um for the same reasons uh although eric

[00:05:48] and i have different perspectives that’s okay right um we both are christians um and eric loves the lord i love the lord

[00:05:55] and christians don’t always agree and that’s just the nature of being human um we’re not infinite we don’t

[00:06:01] have the knowledge of god and so we’re doing the best we can to wrestle with the issues and come to the best conclusions we can

[00:06:07] and so uh in this interview eric um and i think you’re comfortable with this i know on the phone we talked about it

[00:06:12] i’ll push back a little bit if there’s something that um you present that i think well what about this right and uh we’re good

[00:06:19] with that right yeah i i very i’m not a huge fan of like gotcha politics or going after like a miss said word yeah

[00:06:26] instead of looking at the substance of the conversation and the point that you’re going for absolutely definitely go for it yeah

[00:06:32] yeah when i’m fine with uncomfortable conversations awesome that’s great welcome i think that’s one of the best places to be and i’m the same way

[00:06:38] and i think a lot of the guests i’ve had on the show have taught me a lot so um i i i’m that’s part of the reason i

[00:06:43] wanted you on is because you had a perspective that was different than mine so why don’t we start with this um you know

[00:06:49] why don’t you tell us where so i was thinking about the thesis of

[00:06:55] these issues and my thesis generally speaking is that the majority of the issues we’re

[00:07:01] dealing with today are coming from the breakdown of the family and i don’t

[00:07:08] i don’t mean that um just for the black community i mean that in general uh 41 of all kids right now

[00:07:15] are born out of wedlock and so i think we’re seeing a lot of issues that are that are coming to the surface because

[00:07:22] of the breakdown of the family and i think this has been happening since the 1960s it’s been this slow

[00:07:27] trend towards um families breaking apart or maybe not seeing the

[00:07:33] significance of staying together and so i would say because of the huge amount of um kids being born out of wedlock in

[00:07:42] uh specifically uh certain areas and um that this is facilitating a lot of

[00:07:48] the problems that we’re having if you were to give a thesis as to the solution

[00:07:53] to make your case with a one sentence declaration of here’s where we need to focus to solve

[00:07:59] these problems what would that thesis be what would that argument be i think the argument would be like what

[00:08:06] i kind of thought about is uh i call it five pillars okay um it’s reparations uh it is

[00:08:14] urban planning education justice system reform things along those

[00:08:19] lines okay and healthcare and i think understanding that and the root causes of those

[00:08:25] they’re all intertwined yeah and understanding the root causes of those also answer the question of broken

[00:08:31] families okay answer the questions of single motherhood that disproportionately affects black

[00:08:37] and brown communities right now it’s talking about black community but it disproportionately affects

[00:08:42] marginalized computing communities people who are impoverished and all of those gotcha

[00:08:48] okay so why don’t we pick up with where these pillars that you’ve identified what do you think let’s start with

[00:08:54] whatever pillar you want to um in order to discuss okay how do we

[00:08:59] how do we help move how do we move forward in this situation so i wanted to open up with a quote okay um

[00:09:04] i come my father’s 20 something years military and i think often times i

[00:09:09] when we discuss these issues i hear sometimes i’ll hear pushback i know it’s not coming from you uh about like do you not love america i

[00:09:17] am a staunch patriot i love america and that’s why i criticize it yeah i’m not going anywhere i’m standing to fight for

[00:09:23] change um and i’m willing to stand on that and die on that hill okay so james baldwin

[00:09:29] i love james baldwin he says i love america more than any other country in the world exactly for this reason i insist on the

[00:09:36] right to criticize her perpetually american history is longer larger and more various

[00:09:42] more beautiful and more terrible than anything anyone has ever said about it and i just think that really holds true

[00:09:49] so another note is that coming on here i’m not saying reporting that i’m educated um on

[00:09:57] certain levels of policy these are more broad pillars of ideas and i definitely don’t want to take the

[00:10:02] place of educators and people who are more succinct on these ideas and data points sure sure um and i’m not a monolith of

[00:10:09] as you mentioned earlier of just the black community or christians alone is just some a lot of thoughts and ideas

[00:10:15] that i have for myself one of the last notes i always want to try to tackle is that there’s often

[00:10:22] times what is quoted from a great book i love is that there’s often a discomfort and defensiveness

[00:10:28] on the part of the america when confronted by information about racial inequality and injustice i don’t so come when i’m

[00:10:36] talking about these i don’t want handouts i don’t want i’m sorry or can’t take cloth wearing

[00:10:42] footwashing allies i am looking for people to listen have empathy and have actionable

[00:10:48] um so that’s where i’m coming from it’s not a position of victimhood yeah it’s a self-determination um pursuit of well as you mentioned

[00:10:55] before already equality yeah and justice equality of opportunity i mean that’s what that’s what the

[00:11:01] declaration of independence says that the whole pursuit of happiness is equality of opportunity not a quality

[00:11:06] of outcome equality of opportunity so 100 i completely agree with that i don’t want

[00:11:11] forced equality of outcomes exactly right that’s and so you’re not a socialist then is what you’re saying uh

[00:11:18] i could go there okay let’s not get older we could go back to that yeah i love talking about that too

[00:11:27] that’s great so yeah give us give us uh your piano here so uh reparations is the first one i have okay

[00:11:32] i think reparations uh is needed uh it is required and it’s something

[00:11:38] that we demand i demand be accounted for we have over

[00:11:44] 400 years of oppression 300 years of slavery sharecropping laws black code laws um testing on black citizens

[00:11:51] we had lynching laws lack of access to being on a jury lack of access to voter

[00:11:56] rights we had so many perpetuated laws that have just stemmed all the way till 2020 that

[00:12:03] there needs to be an account for the 300 plus years when there was slavery or free labor

[00:12:10] so so um you know the pushback that everybody’s going to say on that um on the right would be um you were never

[00:12:17] a slave personally and they were never a slave owner so the the complaint comes up um why am i

[00:12:25] paying for something that i never did and why are you getting rewarded for something that you never you never suffered

[00:12:31] um how would you respond to that i’m just curious i was i would respond to that is that when we and i’ll divulge a little longer

[00:12:37] when we look at housing policy yeah when we look at generational wealth um oftentimes when we look at for

[00:12:43] example a white household versus a black household when it comes to wealth they have about 170 thousand dollars of

[00:12:49] household wealth compared to the black family that has much much less than that i know i wrote down the stats somewhere it’s

[00:12:55] 17 000. and so when we talk about that there is even for poor white americans they have

[00:13:01] had more access of opportunity such as access of education that has of great has given

[00:13:06] greater opportunity for upper mobility and self-determination and so when we say paying for that i

[00:13:13] i think that is very important to note is that we’re looking at there’s 300 something plus years of free

[00:13:19] labor that built the greatest country the world has ever known that amounts for something and that

[00:13:25] should be taken in okay so we’re coming up on here on a break here and we’re on a we’re off to a

[00:13:31] start right away here with the reparations that’s a very controversial issue but uh that’s great i love these

[00:13:37] discussions so um we’ll be right back my name is kevin conover you’re listening to educate for life radio on k

[00:13:43] praise down here in southern california my guest today is eric young his facebook page he’s just started this

[00:13:49] with his sister it’s called the young black sheep and you can check that out on facebook and check him out and his ideas and his

[00:13:55] sister’s ideas i think it’s pretty cool and we’re going to continue to talk about what eric sees as the solution to some

[00:14:03] of the issues that we’re dealing with today in america and i’m going to give them a little bit of pushback and we’ll continue to dialogue over

[00:14:08] these issues stay with us we’ll be right back hey welcome back this is kevin conover

[00:14:14] you’re on educate for life radio we are broadcasting in southern california on k praise 12 10am as well

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[00:14:25] on facebook and youtube we’re also on my website so all kinds of places you can check it out i’ve got hundreds of

[00:14:31] interviews up i’ve got some pretty amazing interviews that are dealing with a lot of the issues that we’re talking about today

[00:14:36] people come from coming from different perspectives so um not too long ago i interviewed a

[00:14:42] black pastor here in in southern california and two of my uh former students

[00:14:48] black students also have an interview with mason weaver very very interesting former black panther and today my guest

[00:14:55] is eric young and he works here in southern california in the san diego government he’s involved with the homeless

[00:15:02] and a lot of other stuff he’s doing a lot of things a young man um you must be very ambitious uh so

[00:15:08] you’re doing a lot of stuff it’s pretty cool but anyway what we’re talking about today is equity uh of opportunity um

[00:15:15] and eric uh you’ve studied stated that this is you have five pillars that you think we need to see changes in

[00:15:21] to create that equity of opportunity so let’s pick up where you left off with reparations and so go ahead yeah so the

[00:15:28] first thing i think it should be acknowledgement uh is past injustices um acknowledging that there’s been both racism and systematic

[00:15:34] systematic and institutional racism yeah that exists both in the past and till today and so

[00:15:41] that’s the first acknowledgement when i talk about reparations is having an understanding okay so that’s a great something that

[00:15:47] needs to be clarified is exactly what is the definition of reparations so i think um i don’t think anybody is

[00:15:54] going to have a problem acknowledging that uh historically uh slavery and racism were horrible things that

[00:16:01] hurt a lot of people and uh killed people and is just awful um but at the but then um

[00:16:08] the question becomes you know how how far does that go based on the fact that you know um people today i don’t know if there’s

[00:16:15] i doubt there’s anybody living in america today uh white or black or any color that’s ever

[00:16:21] owned a slave is well i’ve had people on um talking about slavery in america today so

[00:16:27] i know that there is still um there is uh sexual slavery going on and things like

[00:16:33] that but beyond that when it comes to what we’re talking about antebellum slavery in the south

[00:16:38] um so help me out how far does these reparations go are you

[00:16:43] asking people to pay money in order to um help increase home ownership among

[00:16:51] uh you know the black community or what what are you talking about i think income encompasses a lot of the whole discussion that’s why i led with

[00:16:57] reparations yeah so when it talks about health care um and when it talks about when i talk about establishing equity

[00:17:03] offering the urban planning and the injustices that were done a lot of the money that will be funneled in when it comes to

[00:17:10] equity is part of the reparation now would these reparations just be to those

[00:17:15] that are currently not doing well so for example you know you’ve got a lot of a lot of uh blacks who are doing

[00:17:21] incredibly well they’re uh especially when you look at black athletes right they’re making money into the millions

[00:17:26] um would you still give reparations for them or would would it be kind of low-income people or what do you what do you do it

[00:17:32] could be for everyone it would be forever community and so i’ll further explain so i kind of related so first is the

[00:17:38] um acknowledging the past and justices and the current injustice the next one is talking about that words

[00:17:45] are important symbols are important but most importantly it’s having intention and action actionable

[00:17:50] steps that change and so understanding um that that the caste system

[00:17:55] and jerk that was geographically done by the government and those policies have kind of reshaped

[00:18:00] and haven’t remedied some of the issues so we can talk about the fair housing act reshaped but then a remedy so give me

[00:18:07] give me an example of of how that is currently going on today for our

[00:18:12] listeners yeah yeah so um for example is the incarceration rates of black males

[00:18:19] and it is disproportionate for the same crimes so we’re talking about the justice system yeah that um we can talk about people

[00:18:26] individuals who have been formally incarcerated as well for crime bills that i can go further

[00:18:32] into now wouldn’t you but wouldn’t you respond to those on an individual case-by-case basis

[00:18:37] right um or so when you talk about reparations

[00:18:43] i’m trying to break this down into um because we’re not a monolith yeah and dealing with people on an

[00:18:49] individual basis versus saying everybody gets something

[00:18:54] so yeah so one of the things that i i want to point out is that when we talk about systematic racism

[00:18:59] yeah there’s de jure meaning that there’s purposeful intentional violent policy that the government has enacted

[00:19:06] specifying on black people because they were because the people putting it in place well had something

[00:19:12] against blacks is that what you’re talking about whereas so that’s the answer so that would be de facto so de facto is that

[00:19:17] there there’s a racist person who’s perpetuating racism yeah and that’s kind of oftentimes where the discussion lies

[00:19:22] but there’s also purposeful intentional policy that still is happening today such as

[00:19:29] let’s say redlining um that product though for the most part in most cities

[00:19:34] except there are it’s illegal it’s illegal yeah there are cities that are still instituting it well they and and they do it

[00:19:39] um because people can get away with it not because it’s legal no and that’s and that’s when i say there’s policies yeah so when i talked

[00:19:46] about that there’s a change such as the fair housing act yeah it doesn’t remedy the illegal so though they made it illegal

[00:19:52] no one’s actually enforcing on it no well not no one okay generally speaking people aren’t

[00:19:57] enforcing and we’re aware that it’s happening we can and i’m happy to go further in yeah but um

[00:20:02] are you are you basing that on um uh i’m not saying you’re wrong because i

[00:20:08] haven’t taken the time to actually look into whether that’s i’m actually in real estate and so i

[00:20:13] know all the laws in that regard and i definitely don’t participate in redlining at all

[00:20:18] um but so i’m just curious is that something that you are aware of because you’ve actually

[00:20:24] looked into it yeah so just we can take in san diego real estate yeah um and this is when i talk about historical uh

[00:20:31] uh excuse me systematic racism yeah and how the history plays a part and how it ties currently so if you look at san diego

[00:20:39] 1940s or so they built freeway five that went right through barrio logan

[00:20:45] barrio logan has a freeway that’s a historical community often historically but was in the 70s

[00:20:51] black historically was a black and brown community it cut that community in half and destroyed thousands of homes

[00:20:57] now we have logan heights and we have barrio logan that was made through government policy purposeful so i know up in la and other

[00:21:04] parts of the country i’m not i can’t confirm now that’s not redlining though no no no it’s not so i’m just asking about redlining

[00:21:10] specifically because you said that that’s still happening and people aren’t enforcing the laws is that do you have specific evidence

[00:21:17] that that those laws are not being enforced because as far as i know they’re being enforced yeah but you do yeah so cities like

[00:21:24] minneapolis cities like chicago yeah or still have are still dealing with redlining policies that aren’t

[00:21:30] really of course yes is that is that because uh you’re seeing this in the news i’m just wondering where you’re getting that information

[00:21:36] i mean it’s very possible i know yeah so i don’t know i don’t i don’t have the data points to point to

[00:21:41] it but i’m getting i’m getting the information it’s let me look so one i know that one third of chicago uh is

[00:21:48] black and so it seems to me that would be one of the hardest places for somebody who

[00:21:53] wanted to you know act out racist uh you know actions yeah for for them to be able to

[00:22:00] do that seems like it would be pretty hard but maybe that’s not how some systemic racism okay

[00:22:05] uh so that would be like de facto uh racism where it’s like i’m a white

[00:22:10] supremacist and i don’t want you that to work um just to go back to your other point is the color of law by richard rothstein

[00:22:16] that discusses the whole history of this policy yeah um and including when it comes to housing

[00:22:22] policy but specifically because we’re talking about redlining right now yeah how those products are still being

[00:22:27] instituted today yeah and that’s where that’s where that information comes from and he’s i highly highly recommend his

[00:22:33] book he’s done a lot a lot of research and data on it say it one more time it is called the

[00:22:40] color of law by richard rothstein okay and that’s where that information comes from

[00:22:45] and so just because i don’t want to lose on the reparations part because i have i have the housing urban policy

[00:22:51] all written down and i’m happy to go through that yeah um but i wanted to how i looked at it how that works is that

[00:22:58] um during the time of the antebellum south the free slave at the end of the civil

[00:23:03] war abraham lincoln uh frederick douglass approached abraham lincoln and talked about that we need we need have self-determination um we need

[00:23:10] to have opportunity and one of the greatest ways to have that is through land ownership yeah that land ownership was the 40

[00:23:16] acres in the middle terminal that we always heard yeah and it wasn’t until andrew johnson i believe changed

[00:23:22] that around and took that away and took it away and gave it a democrat gave it back to took the land back away from the

[00:23:28] blacks yeah that’s awful yes okay it’s terrible yeah um so that’s that’s where that comes

[00:23:35] from and during the same period of time we had the westward expansion so though we were taking away land from

[00:23:41] the indigenous people we purposely instituted laws that framework where black people and particularly

[00:23:48] individuals who were farmers because that’s that was the profession that um african-americans who were spread uh

[00:23:53] slavery knew uh weren’t allowed to have access to that westward expansion so within the

[00:23:59] same time frame of well we can’t do 40 acres in the mule for the blacks

[00:24:04] they allowed the rest of america white america to move out west and get land for free as long as they

[00:24:10] meet the stipulations of settling and farming them so exact same time period yeah and so when you

[00:24:16] sorry i didn’t mean to talk about no no it’s okay so when you take that account it amounts to like about six four

[00:24:21] inflation that property and amounts to 6.4 trillion dollars and so i’m i’m a pragmatist i’m a

[00:24:28] realist how are we gonna like pay 6.4 trillion dollars and so i seen

[00:24:34] and this is where the economics comes in um i’ve seen in places like new zealand who made who

[00:24:40] kind of have trying to make amends they’re still working on it with the maori population the indigenous population that lives there yeah

[00:24:46] and one of the things that they do is the words of acknowledging both symbolism but also the words and so for example

[00:24:52] before a rugby event they’ll say we’re on the hollow grounds of whatever tribe of the maori people they’ll recognize the injustices that

[00:24:59] have happened and i think words and symbols have meaning yeah that’s not the end all sure but kind of stops there and we need

[00:25:05] actionable policy instructors for sure and so what they’ve done is that they used offshore accounts and they took money off credits so it’s not

[00:25:12] actual the dollar amount and put it in offshore accounts they kept it there and what they gave back to the malware population

[00:25:18] and what i’m proposing that we should do here is it was off interest off those offshore accounts so if you do seven to

[00:25:24] nine percent interest off the 6.4 trillion which i get it’s a big number yeah i understand the reality but just

[00:25:31] for the sake of this discussion that’s going to be around almost half a billion dollars getting poured in

[00:25:36] that money would get poured into black communities while other people be affected when

[00:25:41] money gets poured into black communities absolutely the reason why we talk about systematic racism and the black

[00:25:47] injustice is because though there were other injustices black and brown communities hispanic communities asian communities

[00:25:54] they have all suffered injustice under the hands of america sure that we all benefit from including myself right

[00:26:00] the reason why i talk about is that there’s policies and law books such as the redlining that specifically spelled out black

[00:26:07] people were not allowed access black people were not allowed to have voting rights

[00:26:13] yeah so they specifically spelled out and that’s why i was removed so when i talk about going into black communities

[00:26:19] will there be a tertiary effect of everyone who’s living under a systematic injustice under the hammer of america be

[00:26:26] able to prosper from it i’m sure absolutely and so that’s when it comes to like health care uh infrastructure transportation justice

[00:26:34] yes it will go into the black communities but those are the things are needed because it’s not that we seek handouts of social welfare state

[00:26:40] we seek the opportunity that’s why it’s already there like we talked about before self-determination and the access to

[00:26:46] pursuit of happiness yeah that’s that’s it that’s it and so that’s what i when i talk about reparations that’s my

[00:26:52] concept and my idea and so i don’t want a big cache sent to like how to you know tracing back to

[00:26:58] every black family yeah i wanted to go into black communities and i wanted to systematically affect

[00:27:04] them generationally so i want that i don’t want a bit large sum right now to put in my pocket

[00:27:09] i want to be able to help my children’s children be able to have access to a higher education to be able to have

[00:27:15] that same net worth that i spoke about before about the household income yeah of 170

[00:27:21] versus 17 000 170 000 versus the 17 000 of net household

[00:27:27] wealth yeah is due in part from land ownership and that’s one of the greatest

[00:27:32] as a realtor i’m sure you’re well more antiquated and no that’s one of the greatest ways to pass down generation absolutely it is

[00:27:39] hey eric we’re just coming up on a break here we’re a little bit overall and uh so my guest is no it’s awesome my

[00:27:45] guest is eric young and he works here in government in san diego he works with the

[00:27:50] homeless population he’s doing a lot more than that too but um stay with us we’re going to continue this discussion and his other pillars

[00:27:58] my name is kevin conover and you’re listening to educate for life radio my website’s educate4life.org all kinds of

[00:28:04] resources on there you can check out we’re going to be right back

[00:28:10] welcome back this is kevin conover you’re listening to educate for life radio my website’s educate4life.org

[00:28:16] you can check it out i have a full online curriculum that teaches you helps to you to answer all the different

[00:28:21] questions people have about god in the bible so for example how do i know god exists what evidence

[00:28:27] is there from science that god exists is the bible actually real history um what about all the other religions in

[00:28:32] the world um you know so all these questions that pop up that’s what i’m dealing with and a lot of times people don’t make the

[00:28:38] the connection between the issue of racism and what’s happening in our culture today and apologetics in the bible and and

[00:28:45] they don’t necessarily connect the dots there but i’ll tell you it’s really important that as a christian

[00:28:50] that we are able to communicate effectively about this particular issue because it’s all over the place and god has an

[00:28:56] opinion about everything right god has thoughts about everything and ultimately

[00:29:02] his thoughts are that he loves people and he wants to see them thrive be blessed and ultimately uh find salvation through

[00:29:09] jesus christ and so we have to represent christ well we have to be a light and we have to have the compassion in

[00:29:14] the heart of of christ and a lot of times that takes talking to people and understanding different people’s

[00:29:20] perspectives right and if you don’t think the bible talks about race it absolutely does the story of the good samaritan is a

[00:29:26] full story all about the racism that was going on between the jews and the samaritans at the time

[00:29:34] uh and they asked they they had did not have a good relationship but christ um wanted to reconcile that

[00:29:40] and that parable it tells us a lot about his thoughts in that area my guest today eric young we’ve been

[00:29:46] talking about um the five pillars that he thinks need to be uh addressed in order to move things in the

[00:29:54] right direction around these issues so let’s pick up where we left off eric

[00:29:59] i just looked up a report real quick because i wanted to see this because we’re talking about redlining we’re talking about home

[00:30:04] ownership we’re talking about building wealth and it says right here the urban institute said that in 2017 the white

[00:30:10] home ownership rate was 72 compared with 42 for blacks the gap was similar in

[00:30:18] 2019 and during the first quarter of 2020 the black homeownership rate in 2017 was at

[00:30:24] its lowest level in 50 years and also the lowest of all racial and ethnic groups according to the urban institute now one

[00:30:31] of the things i wanted to pick up along these same lines because we’re talking about um

[00:30:36] inequity of opportunity we’re talking about that there was not this opportunity to build wealth over time

[00:30:44] so some people might bring up the issue that um currently in america the highest the people with the highest

[00:30:50] income actually aren’t whites it’s actually asian americans and i believe japanese are the highest

[00:30:55] making the most money and so in that particular case where you have a group of people that

[00:31:01] came from you know there’s historical oppression not to the same degree as with the black community

[00:31:07] um would you also argue for reparations for the asian community even though

[00:31:14] they’re currently making the highest levels of income in america yeah absolutely so i think

[00:31:19] we need to separate two things there’s sure um asian and immigrants who have been historically marginalized as well

[00:31:27] and then there’s more recent immigrants immigration that’s one separation two the second separation is that i don’t like pitting

[00:31:33] injustice against another injustice okay absolutely so they answer your question directly absolutely if we benefited off the backs

[00:31:40] of another individual or another group specifically spelled out because of who they are

[00:31:45] absolutely indigenous populations uh for example because we’re talking

[00:31:51] about the state of california and the chinese immigrants who have who both died blood and sweat

[00:31:57] under the building of infrastructure and state absolutely i definitely think that there needs to be a remedy and a realization of what

[00:32:04] the what america as a whole including myself a proud american of what we’ve done and how we can invest

[00:32:10] and so one of the things i always just say generally speaking is the best way to be

[00:32:15] an ally or supporter of any marginalized group is that we should center the most marginalized individual

[00:32:22] when it comes to policy so john rawls an american philosopher a political therapist talks about the theory of justice there

[00:32:29] is no just law because there will be tertiary effects that might negatively impact a certain group

[00:32:34] a certain economic level whatever it may be if we centralize the most center the most marginalized individual

[00:32:41] or group and when we make those laws we and we try to uplift them yes there won’t be a hundred percent

[00:32:47] equality but if this goes into the level of equity we want to bring another individual

[00:32:52] who’s the most marginalized to be able to have that access so they answer your question about reparations of another individual

[00:32:58] or another group that suffered injustice absolutely okay so but it’s not my place to speak on how they can get yeah

[00:33:04] i definitely will welcome someone who’s more educated on that but i absolutely think yeah no i like i like um this is

[00:33:09] interesting to me so another question i have is um as far as i understand it that the things i’ve looked into um nigerian

[00:33:16] americans uh blacks from nigeria actually have a higher average income

[00:33:21] than whites do and so they’re they didn’t suffer under uh antebellum

[00:33:27] slavery in the south and a lot of them are relatively new immigrants to the country would you would they be expl excluded from the

[00:33:34] reparations or would they also it’s if you live in black communities

[00:33:39] and so anyone who’s stealing who lives in those type of communities um will benefit quite honestly all of

[00:33:46] americans will benefit so so we talk about i don’t know we can use state of housing but

[00:33:51] there’s so many different things transportation justice and access opportunity for uh to be able to travel if we build out

[00:33:59] more systems where there’s more public transportation i i don’t want to jump around too much but we mentioned

[00:34:05] housing so i’m trying to connect it to sure transportation justice yeah in chicago but what happened with chicago was

[00:34:10] during the end of the world war ii the gi bill allowed housing for veterans

[00:34:16] they did not allow housing for veterans so black people were allowed to build housing in chicago and other major cities throughout the

[00:34:21] country but the housing was segregated the public housing that african-american families had

[00:34:27] was subpar and it was falling apart and then the other public housing before veterans who

[00:34:33] are white were able to have access to amenities such as more opportunities for uh fresh food job and work opportunity

[00:34:41] and so what happens is that and when the suburbs started getting built out is that one the when there was the white

[00:34:47] flight and they started separating the two that’s where all the jobs went as well so now there’s transportation justice so

[00:34:52] a person who lives in a property that’s falling apart that was never meant to sustain itself

[00:34:58] now has to go to the city center to or to more to a white suburbia where

[00:35:03] there are other access to job opportunities such as building another type of blue-collar work because they had restrictions of access of

[00:35:09] education as well yeah that’s what happens and so i’m trying to bridge the two that there’s

[00:35:14] the transportation justice as well so when we’re building out for example infrastructure and most of our urban cities that have a that are

[00:35:21] dilapidated falling apart they have a failing grade compared to the rest of westernized westernized nations

[00:35:29] absolutely everyone stands to benefit but the people who are hurt the most again we want to center the most marginalized

[00:35:35] community okay so just for clarification here because so are you saying that the investment the reparations as a

[00:35:42] practical aspect regarding money are you saying that that money is going to go directly into that

[00:35:48] community but it’s not necessarily going to go to the individuals in the community is that what you’re saying i wanted to go to oh it’s both okay so i

[00:35:54] wanted to go to black owned businesses black owned restaurants so what does that look like is it a tax is it a tax

[00:36:00] break is it actual uh like a check that comes once a year or what is it do you have that in your mind

[00:36:06] like what you’re waiting i think it should be i think it should be a not necessarily a government entity

[00:36:11] but i think it should be an entity that helps regulate to make sure that it’s well dispersed into well beyond these five pillars and

[00:36:18] focusing as as an idea of like okay we’re looking at education we need to have better pay

[00:36:26] teachers we need to have access for esl or whatever it may be in funding those things and that’s where

[00:36:31] the money gets put in but it also means reinvesting in our own community as a realtor you know that when they’re when people are

[00:36:38] investing and spending dollars that they earn back into their community that’s when investment goes up that’s when people

[00:36:44] want to invest in those communities and that’s what allows those communities to flourish the reason why there has been

[00:36:50] okay i didn’t want to interrupt you no no you weren’t interrupting the reason why that has been like for example if we look at san diego there has been

[00:36:55] an intentional underfunding of underserved communities now in 2020 no we’re not doing that

[00:37:03] we distribute a lot of the money for the most part equally but because there was an

[00:37:08] intention of underfunding underserved communities such as in district four district the china city heights southeastern san

[00:37:14] diego barrio logan shell town those communities that’s why they often have their you know

[00:37:22] parks that are different or streets that are worse and that’s why we that’s what’s the point of equity so some of the things that we do in the

[00:37:28] government for example is trying to provide equity and seeing that because they’re historically underserved so in a way

[00:37:34] from a government entity we’re already doing a form of reparations by establishing equity from communities that have been

[00:37:39] purposely and intentionally understood yeah well all i’m saying is that that same process from a non-government entity

[00:37:44] of those reparations should be placed in the same in the same manner but that’s where that funding should go to but it should be generational

[00:37:51] so i don’t want to one lump sum of whatever it may be you said you know you name the cost yeah i wanted to be generational and so

[00:37:58] that that black investment those black owned businesses or have the opportunity to flourish

[00:38:03] yeah i mean now i have a question about this because um i i want to we’re we’re coming up on

[00:38:10] another break here but i want to um i want to integrate the what i’ve been talking about with the

[00:38:15] the 73 of black kids right now being born out of wedlock i want to talk about

[00:38:20] what how you see that problem being solved alongside uh what you’re talking about here so

[00:38:26] when we come back my guest is eric young and he’s thought a lot about these issues he’s got a lot of uh great ideas

[00:38:32] and opinions and um also i want to point out his sister also and him have started

[00:38:38] um it’s called uh tell us the name of gideon it’s called the young black sheep the young black sheep on facebook it’s on facebook it’s a pun

[00:38:45] within a pun uh with a pun my last name is eric young her last name is young and she and the

[00:38:51] point is is discusses the race politics and within the church we’re both

[00:38:56] born again christians we love the lord but we also see that there is a

[00:39:01] level of microaggressions racism within the church and it’s something that we want to talk about um and be upfront with our

[00:39:08] brothers and sisters in christ my sister is a title one educator in washington dc and she’s pursuing her

[00:39:16] doctor’s degree so awesome that’s great okay we’re going to be right back we’ve got a few more segments here left to continue talking

[00:39:22] about these issues stay with us hey thanks for being here this is kevin

[00:39:28] conover we’re on educate for life radio my website’s educate4life.org we’re broadcasting in southern california on

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[00:40:09] evidence that verifies the bible is true and i have a lot of people on discussing social issues so

[00:40:14] whether that be issues pertaining to gender identity or issues pertaining to race or whatever it

[00:40:20] might be all in the hope that we can help you think more clearly

[00:40:25] about issues that pertain to the word of god we want to be christians that are loving god with all our heart

[00:40:31] and our loving god with all our mind and so my goal is to help you get smarter about these

[00:40:37] issues so i hope you’ve enjoyed this show so far today my guest is eric young and we’re talking particularly

[00:40:43] about um what we can do with the race issues that we’re dealing with today

[00:40:48] with all that’s been happening uh regarding race and and police brutality and these

[00:40:54] sorts of issues and and uh eric we have been talking about a lot of stuff i think we’re going to have

[00:40:59] a lot a very long conversation but but let’s pick up um you wanted to touch back on the the

[00:41:04] issue of the nigerian um income nigerian uh blacks tend to

[00:41:09] have a higher income actually than the average white uh in america and so uh yeah pick up

[00:41:15] there so where i want to pick up is both nigerian which is 100 true but black immigrants

[00:41:20] in general yeah um is something i wanted to definitely touch on and so the question is

[00:41:25] why is it and the answer is it’s very it everything is like very nuanced but

[00:41:31] generally speaking most people who have access to immigrate particularly from african countries

[00:41:36] for example uh west indian countries the caribbean they have to qualify to qualify with

[00:41:43] having advanced degrees oftentimes so our many of them are older so they come so i

[00:41:49] have some data from the pew researchers that 50 of them of black immigrants are married

[00:41:55] uh com one third of them have college degrees and compare that to the us population of black americans that’s 19

[00:42:01] the adult median age for african immigrants was 42 years old based off the pew

[00:42:07] research and the median age of u.s blacks when it comes to access of wealth and

[00:42:14] those type of things is 29. so when you’re talking about individuals that there’s more younger black men versus black or excuse

[00:42:22] me african immigrants or i would just say black immigrants from around the world to make those to get into the hurdles

[00:42:29] and to get the access to into the united states they already have already jumped many more hurdles

[00:42:35] than anyone so basically the immigrants that are coming in are people that are prepared to be able to make more money

[00:42:42] already exactly okay and and that’s no knock to them and that’s no knock to other individuals who get stuck in those

[00:42:47] communities yeah but i think there has to be an honest look of not making excuses but let’s actually look at the the

[00:42:55] facts yeah and look at the data that this is the truth and this is why oftentimes and rightly so they fare better they had

[00:43:01] access to upper mobility we talked about uh single-family single motherhood they have they 50 of

[00:43:08] them are in relationships and a family base a lot of them are older so much of their children if they have them yeah are

[00:43:14] older as well and are out of that cycle of the youth um who are perpetuated in the poverty

[00:43:19] and crime yeah that we kind of created so um we did great so i wanna i wanna um ask

[00:43:27] and this was a question i left off in the last segment so how does how does um what’s happened

[00:43:33] and here’s my opinion in this regard and you can give me your opinion back and and uh you know kind of push back if you

[00:43:39] think i’m missing something but in the early 1960s um or prior to

[00:43:44] 1960 the the uh out of out of wedlock childbirth was almost

[00:43:51] non-existent there were almost no kids born out of wedlock of any race um but culturally things began to change

[00:43:57] with the sexual revolution there’s a i’ve had guests on actually talking about that whole thing that happened

[00:44:02] and people started you know the whole free love movement and and so what started happening was you did start to

[00:44:07] have more kids start to be being born out of wedlock and in the early 1960s um

[00:44:14] blacks were at 25 and i’m sorry not yeah blacks were at 25

[00:44:19] and by by today it’s at 73 and the social science shows that any

[00:44:26] child born out of wedlock um is going to have much more difficulty

[00:44:31] uh and and you know people will say things like white privilege and stuff um if i think there’s anything that

[00:44:37] privileges a kid it’s to have a mother and father in the home to be raised by their mother and father

[00:44:43] the if you look at the science behind it it’s incredible the benefit it does to a child to have both their

[00:44:48] mother and father in the home and so my question becomes

[00:44:54] how does that relate to you know um the issue of let’s say you invest all

[00:45:01] this money into a particular community um are you saying that if you put that money into the community

[00:45:07] that that is going to diminish the out of wedlock birth or are you saying that that um

[00:45:14] i guess it’s which uh are you putting the cart before the horse i guess is what i’m saying

[00:45:19] because my opinion tends to be that the government policy at the time was incentivizing single

[00:45:26] motherhood and so because of that if you don’t get rid of bad policy first and you put in money right you still

[00:45:33] have the problem of out of wedlock childbirth which facilitates um not necessarily a

[00:45:38] good use of money right i looked up this interesting stat a long time ago that most people who win the lottery are

[00:45:45] bankrupt within two years and so just obviously just throwing

[00:45:50] money at a solution isn’t going to solve it so you agree with that so lincoln high school here in in california

[00:45:56] is a perfect example of that millions i think 129 million dollars was invested

[00:46:01] into lincoln high school and today they’ve they’re on their i think fourth or fifth superintendent

[00:46:07] and half the school’s empty and a lot of people don’t aren’t interested in setting their kids

[00:46:12] there so we know that just uh putting money into the situation isn’t gonna solve it so

[00:46:18] what are your thoughts on how you deal with both and by the way i wanted to be very clear i don’t fault blacks for that

[00:46:23] for that situation i don’t think it’s a cultural thing at all i think what it is it was generated by bad policy

[00:46:29] and i think any government policy incentivizes particular behavior and it and a lot of times people have

[00:46:36] it’s unforeseen consequences and they don’t anticipate oh i didn’t know that policy was going to end up

[00:46:42] doing this and so you have a bad byproduct that you didn’t expect and so i don’t fault blacks for that at all i fault i fought

[00:46:49] bad government policy and so i’m just curious along those five pillars that you’re dealing with how do

[00:46:55] how does that fit into the equation the situation there so i just i want to be clear that

[00:47:00] the reparations that i i’m talking about is it’s not so i’m not just saying throwing money but that’s also why i’m also

[00:47:08] interest so it’s generational okay but that’s just something i just wanted to pull out um but i do have a question though okay

[00:47:14] i don’t have the data sure um what was how is the rate of the government policies that you’re talking

[00:47:20] about on the social welfare programs yes single black motherhood how does that relate to other

[00:47:26] it’s the same problem so we’re seeing an increase in single motherhood in all races so

[00:47:32] it’s not just blacks it just happens to be that blacks currently are at the highest rate and my guess for why that is and i don’t

[00:47:38] have hard data on this it’s it’s something i i think i need to look into and it’s worth looking into

[00:47:44] i don’t know why it it shot up to 73 because right now it’s 52 among

[00:47:49] hispanics and it’s around 25 for whites so

[00:47:55] do i think that it was facilitated by racism yeah probably i think the government policy probably

[00:48:01] was facilitated by racist ideas um and so um i’m not saying

[00:48:08] i guess what i’m saying is um i’m not trying to give an excuse for that and say so

[00:48:15] sure there are probably racist issues there but i’m saying how does it factor into finding a solution today so um

[00:48:23] how do you because it i feel like it’s such a i think it’s important to yeah i mean

[00:48:29] everything that i’ve talked about and i think it’s very important yeah i love history yeah is that

[00:48:36] history is extremely important in its identity but also why we’re here and how we got to the

[00:48:43] point we are yeah it’s not the end all there needs to be actual steps and i don’t think can i actually yeah go

[00:48:48] ahead i’m sorry i interrupted you go ahead i actually was gonna agree with your statement that i do think okay that

[00:48:54] having a two-parent household um it definitely increases upper mobility yeah access to

[00:48:59] more education and wealth and privilege um so but i have i just wanted to keep pushing on the why

[00:49:05] is that so for example the other numbers that you stayed at you don’t remember the percentage was like whites i think hispanics were 50

[00:49:11] yeah it was like 70 something percent for black single motherhood um yeah out of wedlock excuse me

[00:49:19] i guess the further explanation i know you said that you don’t know maybe the actual policy but i would want to know more on why and

[00:49:26] i have i have a guess and i think it’s rooted in like a histo historical facts yeah is that i agree

[00:49:34] that a lot of the policy was purposeful and intentional and violent and racist but if you look at each individual as a

[00:49:41] group all people want to have access to education upward mobility a two-parent household you know well not

[00:49:48] here’s the thing though not all people do because once you disintegrate into

[00:49:53] um you know there’s several books written that um that men

[00:49:59] unmarried men are one of the most difficult social problem to deal

[00:50:05] with so anytime you have a culture that no longer emphasizes marriage and getting married and staying

[00:50:11] married you generate problems but i think the question is still then for like the

[00:50:16] unmarried men yes why did that happen that that’s kind of where i’m getting to so here here’s where i’m at on that

[00:50:22] issue i actually think we’re going to agree on why it happened but what i’m having difficulty with is

[00:50:28] what is the solution so so i think you and i are both going to agree that it is racism it’s

[00:50:35] historical slavery it’s segregation it’s all those things that generated

[00:50:40] the where we’re at today but my question becomes because i don’t my my question becomes

[00:50:46] what is the solution today i feel like it’s incredibly pc today

[00:50:52] not only is it moral but it’s also politically correct to not be racist right meaning

[00:50:58] racists generally in our culture today are shouted down and told get lost

[00:51:06] i don’t know if i agree with that really no i i when i look around i feel like anybody

[00:51:13] who is a blatant racist they’re they need to hide it or they’re or they’re shouted down but

[00:51:18] but maybe i’m i’m running i adamantly so excuse me so i don’t know maybe i’m

[00:51:26] in my own bubble that i need to get out into i think um i

[00:51:31] haven’t gotten to the education aspect yeah but i think one of the greatest things and i do what i want to answer all these

[00:51:37] things one of the a good point to acknowledge is that i think oftentimes when we look at racism we

[00:51:42] kind of just think like a kkk member under hood or a white supremacist nazi or something along those lines yeah and there are

[00:51:48] tons of racist actions um that i’ve heard throughout my whole entire life yeah

[00:51:54] directly to my face okay they’ll be like you talk like a white guy that you can call a microaggression but

[00:52:00] i’m like well because i’m well spoken i’m not speaking eubonics and i’m not knocking any binoculars i think that’s a beautiful language

[00:52:06] that’s derived from the black community from access of lack of access of education but those type of things every single

[00:52:12] day i walk around there’s always some type of microaggression some type of racism that you encounter yeah and like i said i don’t talk about

[00:52:19] it all the time i mean obviously we’re talking about it right now sure and i don’t think a lot of black people in general or

[00:52:24] marginalized groups in general talk about it because for my personal opinions i don’t believe in victimhood

[00:52:29] life isn’t fair this is the reality that you live in and we should try to change and create a better reality yeah but

[00:52:36] whining and complaining about an injustice that you experience every single day won’t change the outcome you need to work hard maybe even work harder

[00:52:43] but you you do need to overcome those hurdles yeah and so this isn’t like a victimhood of like oh

[00:52:48] no i you know i’ve experienced all these things but it’s definitely i mean i’ve had race i’ve had racism

[00:52:55] definitely present i’ve had racist things against me and my brother has had racist things against him

[00:53:01] um and i tell the story every once in a while but i went to buy a house in alabama and somebody when i wasn’t there

[00:53:06] posted on the door we don’t want any white people and uh you know my brother was actually on an all black wrestling team and they

[00:53:12] told him we don’t want any white guys on the wrestling team that was back on the east coast i’m from new jersey and um

[00:53:18] so yeah sure those things are there that’s true you’re right so um but but uh

[00:53:25] go ahead like i said before i wouldn’t discount an injustice against another injustice that’s wrong

[00:53:30] yeah first of all i want to be very clear i’m not trying to defend this um that’s wrong that you experienced that i’m sorry that you did have to

[00:53:37] experience that yeah it’s wrong in any way yeah but i do think it should be noted that that when

[00:53:42] when positions of power and the social norm we account for i don’t know like eleven percent yeah to

[00:53:48] of the population sure and when the power structures of whites

[00:53:54] and supremacy exists of ign of kind of discounting the black

[00:54:00] race distracting the black man and woman and this kind of relates to the single motherhood um

[00:54:06] it’s it’s i it’s a lot different it’s um when i it comes to the justice system

[00:54:11] and when we talk about racism today it’s like for example if we both committed the same crime statistically

[00:54:18] exact same crime you would you would be off at a with a much shorter and lesser

[00:54:23] prison center and i would have a much harsher one yeah just based off the judge and that’s just one mic you know a

[00:54:29] factor so that destroys my life and then that also destroys my gender the generations because i lose access to

[00:54:35] voting i lose access of um getting more difficult to get a job yeah but that now that who

[00:54:40] does that now affect my generation yeah my son my son and my children the access of

[00:54:45] education yeah healthcare and all these type of things go downhill right off the bat and i can go into a personal story about

[00:54:52] dealing with the justice system but i did want to answer your point and just to answer directly um i think it’s

[00:54:59] important to ask why there is disproportionate that the black community has suffered more and has a

[00:55:05] much higher broken family and when i said that all people want to have access to our mobility

[00:55:11] black people white people hispanics you know different ethnic groups and races it’s just the color of the pigmentation

[00:55:17] of our skin we all want to have the american dream yeah absolutely we all want to have the pursuit of happiness and so when you remove all

[00:55:23] that and then you still look at the black community even though we all have the same innate desires of

[00:55:28] success they have been disproportionately affected we then have to look back at why where

[00:55:34] is the black father you and then you know you so you look at the vietnam war for example i’m i’m just using like my new examples

[00:55:41] you can expand much further yeah there’s like five percent black males in the united states 11 total i think the black women outnumber

[00:55:48] the men but during the vietnam war they accounted for roughly about 18 of those drafted

[00:55:55] you look at incarceration rates of the crime bills when it talks about justice system where

[00:56:01] they have crack cocaine and coke the powder more powder form often used by whites

[00:56:06] upper class neighborhoods and crack cocaine used by black lower class neighborhoods when

[00:56:12] they did the war on drugs even though it’s been statistically shown that they have experienced the same level of drug use in cells

[00:56:18] they enforced the black community they had mandatory sentencing not for a coke but for crack cocaine and they

[00:56:25] approached the drug issue not as a holistic health issue of addiction they approached it as an

[00:56:30] enforcement niche where they declared a war on drugs and perpetually locked up and disproportionately around the same time

[00:56:36] frame between the 19 i want to say it was like 1970 so about a 10-year gap from your the 1960s that you were talking

[00:56:42] about where there’s massive massive incarceration and disproportionately locking up black men and so when we talk about slavery we

[00:56:48] also have to be honest about the 13th amendment that talks about that you you are free unless you earn servitude

[00:56:54] um through penitent the penitentiary and so they have used i don’t want to say the wrong

[00:57:01] number large sums of money bill in the billions amount of money a free labor through the prison system that are for

[00:57:07] profit so where did the black fathers go we kind of we made a cycle of black fatherhood is gone we made a cycle

[00:57:13] of lack of upward mobility lack of access of good education which we haven’t gotten to but i’m happy to go there

[00:57:18] but just for the sake of this discussion yeah we kind of set the perfect storm and then we wonder well where’s the black fathers then we

[00:57:25] wonder why is there so much crime rate what about all these the drug use in the um black neighborhoods and like well you took

[00:57:31] away the the black father and this goes all the way back to the slave days yeah where they purposely took away black fathers and split up

[00:57:37] homes to intentionally because they knew how powerful a black family was and it announced

[00:57:43] on record being shown and so they purposely did those things and you see that today where they they purposely made crimes that

[00:57:50] disproportionately affects the black community and it was very intentional and that’s for democrats and republicans alike yeah and that’s why

[00:57:57] i’m not a huge fan of the two-party system that’s a whole other thing yeah but i’m going after everyone

[00:58:02] like that they have they both did institutions of violence against black communities and it was purposeful i

[00:58:08] think that’s the part that i want to know that i think oftentimes we just think it’s like there’s that racist guy who decided to do something no there’s a purposeful

[00:58:14] policy that hurt people and it took years to change it wasn’t until the 90s that they try to correct

[00:58:19] a lot of those years there’s people who are incarcerated for low-level drug offenses who are sitting in prison right now

[00:58:25] while marijuana for example is legal um we the state of california passed uh

[00:58:30] it was ab-109 that with all good intentions it decriminalized a lot of

[00:58:36] non-violent crimes it allowed there was another bill that allowed low-level drug use to be left free

[00:58:43] and this is when i point to connecting the equity that we also want justice is that if you

[00:58:49] let an individual who now lost their right to vote so they can’t change their you know they can’t change their civics and

[00:58:54] political sphere they have a record so they can’t get a good job um they didn’t get rehabilitated they’re

[00:59:01] just locked away up like animals and doing slave labor there was no mental health programs for

[00:59:06] people who were all possibly addicted to drugs there was no drug rehabilitation programs and so even in california with

[00:59:12] the best intentions kind of missed the tertiary trickle-down effects is like no i don’t just want that we need him right the

[00:59:19] injustice has happened yeah so now we have a large for example homeless population that is disinfect

[00:59:25] disproportionately affects black men they’re one of the largest ones in the state of california who are homeless

[00:59:30] but when we look why is that and so we kind of like to me we we view these perceptions as

[00:59:37] data points and we look like well there’s this high level of crime and there’s black single motherhood but

[00:59:43] we kind of ignore all the past historical policies yeah and injustice and just racist people

[00:59:48] yeah that created that and then we kind of only we ignore and we like look through rose-colored lens and then we’re like why is that i’m like

[00:59:54] i’m just melanated i i’m just a black brother who has darker skin color than you but i want the same thing

[01:00:00] i want to be able to take care of my children you know and i 100 i totally agree with that and i and i

[01:00:05] appreciate that um so um what i want to talk to you we’re going to come we got to take a break here but

[01:00:11] when i want to talk to you um when we come back is so the way forward in that regard

[01:00:18] um how do we so reparations in a sense right um how do we heal um what’s happened how

[01:00:26] do we how do we move forward and i know that’s what you’re talking about so acknowledge really quickly because i

[01:00:31] know we have to go and break acknowledgement and education so the first part of reparations that i spoke about was acknowledging that

[01:00:36] injustice and the justices happen i think our education system has when i talked about white supremacy has

[01:00:42] habitually failed all of us when we think about like who discovered america you could say the vikings or columbus we

[01:00:48] completely though history completely ignores the indigenous population that has been living prosperously and some of the most

[01:00:55] of the advanced civilizations of its time existed in the americas and that’s kind of like this weird history that denies

[01:01:02] the wrongdoings and that’s why i led with james baldwin’s quote i’m an american but i also have the right to ridicule it

[01:01:08] and point at this unjustice because i love this country sure and so i want that to be changed okay awesome thanks eric

[01:01:14] we’ll be right back and we’re gonna talk about um the way forward uh based on eric’s what he’s identified

[01:01:21] and what he thinks needs to happen in order for the healing to take place

[01:01:26] uh in the black community and these issues to be uh dealt with in a way that is uh right we’ll be right

[01:01:32] back okay we’re back kevin conover here i’m

[01:01:38] your host down here in southern california my ministry is called educate for a life and this is educate for life radio my

[01:01:44] website’s educate4life.org and i’m having a fantastic uh discussion here with eric young

[01:01:50] and eric’s um facebook page along with his sister uh that they just recently started is

[01:01:57] called young sorry the young black sheep the young black sheep and right and

[01:02:03] that’s a play on words his last name’s young and uh then the whole black sheep uh point there but eric um

[01:02:09] what i wanted to talk about with you was specifically um the way forward here as far as you

[01:02:14] know here’s what’s going through people’s minds and this is what people get nervous about is okay once you start

[01:02:20] paying reparations i mean we’ve uh so first of all people say i never owned a slave myself why are my

[01:02:27] tax dollars going to somebody who was never a slave but yet i i completely understand your point

[01:02:33] that hey um this is generationally something that has impacted people all the way up through the present day

[01:02:39] and so if we’re going to look at equality and fairness under the law

[01:02:44] then there should be some sort of a not just well acknowledgement but also

[01:02:51] some way to pour into the black community to kind of make up for all the racial inequality that happened

[01:02:57] in the past i totally hear that argument and the promises as well and the promises right so so um

[01:03:06] i guess what goes through my mind is okay where does that stop right because i feel like well how

[01:03:11] do you make up for historically uh 400 years of slavery uh i mean how do you do that um and then

[01:03:19] what does that do to the rest of the country because we do have a limit even though our government doesn’t seem to

[01:03:24] think we have a limited budget we’re well over 20 trillion now and i don’t know what happens once you go once

[01:03:30] you go too far but the question becomes well if we’re going to start paying reparations to

[01:03:35] a particular community and we’ve got to make up for you know something my ancestors didn’t

[01:03:42] do um but how do how do we you know where do you draw the

[01:03:48] lines about um where this limits and it stops do you see what i’m saying yeah so i draw the line i think not only

[01:03:55] speaking about um reparations as a slave because i i think i did talk about a lot of the marginalization yeah but i

[01:04:02] also want to both talk about the solution um but also the fact that

[01:04:08] the first like the birth of the nation was predicated off of a black man crispus

[01:04:14] addicts uh died on the boston massacre a leather revolt and john adams the

[01:04:20] former president and founding father what uh was the lawyer that defended the

[01:04:26] british soldiers and called him a bunch of negro and teagues irish teagues and that history evolves where the

[01:04:33] first one of the first women uh suffragist um suffered jets excuse me was sojourner

[01:04:40] truth of 1997 or something around there um marsha p johnson the lgbtq plus

[01:04:47] at the riots of stonewall riots was one of the individuals who led those past and justice the black

[01:04:52] community has fought under every banner under every american flag and fought in every single war

[01:04:57] without the access of liberty without the access of equal opportunity without the access of justice so when we talk about reparations and

[01:05:04] the blood i’m not just talking about the slavery and that type of injustice i’m talking about also that they have

[01:05:09] given their life for this nation literally the first one to give their life for this nation and what is the

[01:05:15] um and it’s something that is both promised but also deserved so when you talk about what is the solution how does that

[01:05:21] actually work um one of the ones that i think is important and what is it is that it’s the calculations of what

[01:05:28] was promised the 40 acres in the meal it can be built off of and this is where i’m not a economist i

[01:05:35] admit and so my idea is that it can be built off credits because i know banks have credits against each other

[01:05:40] and they loan money that they may not necessarily have in the bank and so that access that using the

[01:05:47] united states economy and it doesn’t necessarily i think it should be the 6.4 trillion to be frank but i’m also a

[01:05:52] realist this is where the economist of there should be a set standard of a large sum of money that should pour into the black community um i can’t

[01:05:59] name the exact figure whatever that standard is paying off the interest of what would have been owed

[01:06:06] through the offshore accounts is the goal so i’m not expecting a relatively higher level of taxes

[01:06:12] because the level of investment that we have infrastructure i talked about transportation justice housing that

[01:06:18] affects and that’s money that’s still being spent pretend so i think it’s it’s important to recognize that ignoring

[01:06:24] systemic issues still costs the taxpayer money we just we just pay for it on the back

[01:06:30] end mean through through the need for social welfare or whatever it means

[01:06:35] so like the prison population and not offering rehabilitation yeah so or forty thousand dollars per

[01:06:41] year to house a single prisoner exactly uh and california is crazy

[01:06:46] the amount of prisoners we got that we’re paying for we’re on the same page yeah so these low drug offenses that is some of

[01:06:52] the drugs like marijuana is legalized and people are making a profit off of and people have life or many many years

[01:06:59] of mandatory sentencing that they had to fulfill majority are black men should be

[01:07:04] released and all that money that we’re spending anyways why can’t we redirect that into rehabilitative programs

[01:07:10] and that investment is investing in america black inventors black restaurant owners

[01:07:16] black business owners and entrepreneurs those these things is all stand a benefit for all of america because we’re

[01:07:21] still one country under one flag i’m just pointing out that we should rene

[01:07:27] inequalities that exist that we already pay for i mean it’s happening we look at for

[01:07:33] example housing housing solutions and the removal housing and so we have um single family homes and now outreach

[01:07:41] there’s a there’s a great there’s a great uh author called strong towns

[01:07:47] it costs more money for example to live in rancho bernardo with a beautiful home the high levels of property tax right than

[01:07:54] it is to live in barrio logan because you’re closer to in the infrastructure the property value all these things are

[01:08:00] factored in that most often when you do the calculations according to strong towns

[01:08:06] is that the lower income neighborhoods actually pay and bear the burden of higher income

[01:08:12] housing because there’s larger property they’re single family homes they’re further away from a lot of the

[01:08:18] historical infrastructure plumbing undergrounding water and so sewage all those things are factored in if you

[01:08:24] count it for per acre of the plot of land um living on top of each other living and that’s often done in lower income

[01:08:31] communities they pay for it so this isn’t just you know paying extra money there’s

[01:08:37] money being spent that’s already going into trying to find solutions but we should also we should be strategic and recognize and look at it

[01:08:43] and say there’s injustices that have happened we’re already paying for it in a lot of ways and through multiple factors of

[01:08:49] education healthcare all right sure sure why don’t we look at it and look in it and be more succinct and direct and say

[01:08:55] this isn’t just equality because we’re supporting hot you know homes are more expensive

[01:09:02] they’re paying higher property tax and we’ve always thought i was like oh those guys are so this is so this is uh

[01:09:07] really interesting so you’re saying that the the reparations that you’re talking about are actually going to be a

[01:09:13] benefit to everybody a hundred percent it’s because it’s going we’re all americans yes it’s well yeah but it’s but it’s literally

[01:09:20] because of the investment in the community it’s gonna it’s gonna heal a lot of problems that are also

[01:09:26] a very very expensive and ultimately it’s gonna end up doing everybody great but i do

[01:09:31] wanna be clear it should go the reparations goes to black communities yeah but um my point is just

[01:09:36] like there was racist policies that was spelled out black people can’t live in this neighborhood

[01:09:42] yeah that still hurt asian people what if what if white did

[01:09:47] you see how there’s a tertiary trickle-down effect even though black people were the ones who are spelled out in policy and law yeah same thing black people the black

[01:09:54] community deserve the reparations because it was promised and owed by the united states government and they fought

[01:09:59] and bled for it and served for you know all everything i’ve already spoken about yeah but there’s still a tertiary effect

[01:10:06] investing in americans and all having creating opportunities self-determination instead of being

[01:10:11] sitting waiting for government funding is more of a solution what if white people start moving into

[01:10:16] that black community what then what about it i’m just curious just do they

[01:10:21] lose the reference what about it i was just making a joke

[01:10:30] [Laughter] well you know what eric um you know uh

[01:10:36] you’ve given me a lot to think about man i really appreciate you coming on the show and um this whole discussion is very

[01:10:41] interesting i’m learning a ton and i’m doing a lot of research and a lot of reading so um thanks a lot appreciate it well thank

[01:10:48] you for having me it’s really good to see you yeah you’re a great teacher and i really appreciate you having me on thanks eric awesome man well um this show went

[01:10:55] really long i hope you guys enjoyed the show i hope it’s been a blessing to you and we’re going to continue to talk about these issues

[01:11:01] along with lots of other apologetic issues so again my website is educate4life.org you can

[01:11:07] check it out there and eric’s facebook page young black sheep and um him and his sister giving their

[01:11:14] thoughts and insight and uh very intelligent guy doing lots of cool stuff so check him out and

[01:11:20] his sister and what they’re doing thanks for being with us today i hope you guys have a great weekend and stay safe god bless you bye-bye

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