Are We Confusing Racism and Prejudice – Alfred Rowe II

[00:00:00] thanks for being here with us today this is kevin conover you’re listening to educate for life radio i’m your host

[00:00:05] my website’s educate4life.org and we’ve got all kinds of resources up there

[00:00:11] that pertain to the bible and how do we know the bible is true and all kinds of issues whether it’s

[00:00:16] creation or evolution whether it has to do with world religions and all the different beliefs that are out there

[00:00:22] buddhism islam uh and so many others we deal with things like how do we know the bible is

[00:00:27] true um and uh you know what evidence is there to put my faith in god and put my faith in

[00:00:33] jesus christ and uh right now i’ve been having a lot of guests on my program that are dealing with a lot of the um

[00:00:40] issues that have been popping up in our country um that pertain to race and racism and

[00:00:46] and uh systemic uh oppression and these sorts of things um just because as a christian it’s

[00:00:51] really important to be able to dialogue about these issues um in a way that’s both intellectual and also

[00:00:57] compassionate so that’s a really important subject i’ve had quite a few different guests on my show

[00:01:03] talking about these issues and sometimes it can get a little heated but um because

[00:01:08] obviously it’s a very personal issue for a lot of people not too long ago i had clay williams on he is a former basketball

[00:01:15] coach at chs uh awesome guy also a math professor last week we had eric young on and he’s

[00:01:23] a fantastic guy he is um works here in sandy the city of san diego

[00:01:28] um helping the mayor deal with the homeless problem here in san diego a very interesting discussion we had and

[00:01:34] my guest today is alfred rowe the second and um we we bumped into each other on

[00:01:40] facebook um after i did a post and uh he disagreed with some of the things i said

[00:01:45] and i i um just asked in my post if anybody would be interested

[00:01:51] in being on the program and alfred uh went to long beach poly high school

[00:01:57] he’s from los angeles played football at usc and he’s also coached college football for six years

[00:02:04] and um so he’s done a lot of uh awesome stuff coaching and being a mentor to a lot of young

[00:02:09] people and alfred i just want to say thanks for being willing to comment on the program today yeah no problem

[00:02:15] thank you for having me yeah absolutely um i i like to have people on um just to

[00:02:21] discuss topics i don’t i don’t mind at all um just for those of you are listening and just so you know where i’m coming from

[00:02:27] i don’t mind at all if people disagree with me i believe one of the best ways to get educated is to have uh conversations with people

[00:02:34] that are coming from different walks of life different perspectives um because a lot of times um you know we

[00:02:39] we are none of us are infinite we don’t know the experiences of all people and so i think one of the best ways to learn is to have these discussions

[00:02:46] regardless whether you disagree with people or not and to be polite and be civil and do the best you can to hear where people are coming from and

[00:02:52] learn from them so um alfred um you know we came on to talk

[00:02:58] about systemic uh racism and systemic oppression and um i want to hear your perspective

[00:03:04] on these issues um so a lot of people out there right now

[00:03:09] uh both on the left and the right and everywhere in between are disagreeing on what the main

[00:03:17] issues um that our country is dealing with and that the black community is dealing with

[00:03:22] um they disagree on where the problem lies and if you disagree on where the problem

[00:03:28] lies then you disagree on what the solution is right so um where what i’m trying to do is get get a

[00:03:34] better grip on these issues i want to i want to be

[00:03:39] thinking properly about these issues and i want to be thinking biblically about these issues so give me your background and your

[00:03:46] perspective growing up um was racism an issue for

[00:03:51] you is that something that you’ve had to deal with in your own life and then where has where have your ideas

[00:03:57] developed on this issue um to where you are today can you start with your growing up and

[00:04:02] and uh what you dealt with growing up well yeah well i i grew up actually i

[00:04:07] grew up in south central offense was um pretty much around the corner from from

[00:04:12] usc you know they had a big game i could hear the crowd yeah from my front porch um

[00:04:19] and so you know i i was in the i guess the heat of the crack epidemic so you

[00:04:25] see a lot i saw a lot of people who were you know influenced by crack and my neighborhood was just pretty much

[00:04:31] ran down um still is um so you know i i the thing i can remember is

[00:04:39] as far as that i remember the 92 riots they burned down the liquor store next door to my house

[00:04:45] three times you know um uh and and it was that was

[00:04:51] interesting and you know but you you see a lot of things and you know it’s good that you actually

[00:04:56] were to how what it was like growing up so going into high school um my

[00:05:02] my mom never wanted me to go to public school never went to public school i and i’m glad to say i went to catholic

[00:05:08] school growing up from kindergarten to eighth grade and so when it came down to going to high school we had to come up with a

[00:05:14] solution and we had to come up with something that was affordable but the problem was that my mom didn’t want to go to lausd

[00:05:21] school so we had to figure out where we were able to go to school where they could afford it and what was a good education and that’s

[00:05:28] what led me to the long beach poly because the long beach unified school district is they have three schools three high

[00:05:34] schools as california distinguished and two high schools that are national blue ribbon schools

[00:05:40] so you know for a public school system i can tell you this my graduation they the first thing they

[00:05:47] do is they tell you every kid that’s going to ivy league school we have a kid from my high school go to every ivy league school that that that

[00:05:55] there is in the land so um you know and that was the decision that was made

[00:06:00] and um you see a lot of you know you you see a lot of things and

[00:06:05] i don’t know if i’m putting the card reform the horse here but um a lot of people are saying well that’s racist

[00:06:11] that’s racist and and i heard a good quote um there’s a difference between

[00:06:16] being prejudiced and being racist yeah yeah um being racist is having a system

[00:06:23] to where a race cannot succeed ever being prejudiced is you know pretty much

[00:06:29] going by stereotype or calling somebody out of their name that is not right or not wrong but you still have a good heart at hand

[00:06:36] and i think a lot of this confusion in this thing is a lot of people are confusing racism and and being

[00:06:43] prejudiced just because a white person says something

[00:06:48] doesn’t mean that they’re necessarily racist but they could have some prejudice to them

[00:06:54] comment you know you know what i mean yeah you know i think a lot of us growing up you

[00:07:00] develop prejudices over time just by life experience you kind of uh think oh this is what i went through

[00:07:06] before therefore you anticipate going through it again you’re just prejudging what’s going to

[00:07:12] happen it’s kind of uh the normal process but like you’re saying it doesn’t mean a person’s

[00:07:17] necessarily racist it’s just their life experience um has either uh influenced their opinion for good or

[00:07:24] for bad um depending on what they’ve gone through yeah yeah 100 and that’s something i

[00:07:30] truly agree upon um i think the thing that brought us together was your comment and we and we just firmly disagreed

[00:07:37] um i i i just think that you know they’re what comment

[00:07:45] did you most disagree with i just think that i just think that

[00:07:52] i i it’s just weird we’re like where do you start you know do do you start do you started

[00:07:59] slavery do you start and you know i’ve been thinking about this and that’s talking and i always was like you know what

[00:08:05] the best place i think we should we should start which is more current is we should start at vietnam and

[00:08:12] then you know v when you look at vietnam and there’s an interesting stat at that

[00:08:18] time 11 of the american population was black

[00:08:23] americans 44 of black americans were drafted to go

[00:08:29] to vietnam that was the first first

[00:08:34] that was the first point at that time i should say the first point but at that time that was the key of starting a

[00:08:42] systematic oppression and systematic racism of well you know your community the

[00:08:47] black father isn’t in the home well they’ve drafted 44 percent of that

[00:08:52] population to go to war yeah i i can’t give i’m not going to give you a number how many came

[00:08:58] back but i can’t i can’t tell you this it was a tough war they weren’t prepared for it and then

[00:09:03] you have you have men who came back you know and not just black but every person there was a lot of people who came back

[00:09:09] that were that that suffered from ptsd you know and and then they come back

[00:09:15] home to their wives and waking up in the middle of night and choking them or flipping out you know and that was just a

[00:09:20] that’s something that a side effect of war and all the sudden now they’re in a divorce

[00:09:27] well when you look at those numbers there was more black divorces from vietnam

[00:09:32] than any other race well you know hold on now if we if we go back farther there were

[00:09:40] plenty of flourishing black communities but let’s use the one everybody knows the one that they actually put in the

[00:09:45] history book the harlem the harlem renaissance right that was the first in black community there was clubs there was restaurants it

[00:09:52] was an established black community everybody it was black dollars being recycled and those types of things and you know

[00:09:59] um that wasn’t supposed to happen at the end of the day that wasn’t supposed to happen you could say it was

[00:10:05] but that wasn’t supposed to happen same thing with south central l.a same thing with uh with uh

[00:10:10] well west memphis you know these were flourishing black communities we know about tulsa now after the george

[00:10:15] floyd thing but we don’t know about all the black communities that were just just killed so as i go forward you know

[00:10:21] the next thing that that hit our black communities was the crack epidemic so you you go from this war and then now

[00:10:27] you insert such a a drug that is just so toxic

[00:10:33] and it just killed it just pretty much killed these black communities

[00:10:38] and you know i mean long story short fast forward today it’s what we have here now so when you know when people like well

[00:10:45] the black father isn’t in the home the government took the black father out of the home the government

[00:10:51] killed you know flourishing black communities you know and that that that

[00:10:58] and i i agree with you i mean i think it’s the government’s fault personally i think a lot of policy uh whether

[00:11:04] intended or unintended i think there’s a lot of policy that takes place that causes a lot of um problems that

[00:11:11] the government doesn’t foresee they they anticipate trying to do something good but they end up it ends up

[00:11:16] producing something bad and so um i totally agree with with you on that i think can you give me

[00:11:24] an example of what how do you think what can you give an example of a policy that you think that the government is trying to

[00:11:30] help but they really hurt yeah so for example there was a free needle program um up in san francisco in which they they

[00:11:38] found that um drug addicts were were actually infecting other drug addicts because

[00:11:44] they were using dirty needles to to um shoot up drugs and so what they ended up was they

[00:11:50] started giving out free needles well what you ended up with was just mass amounts of dirty needles

[00:11:56] and you actually created more of a problem um even today

[00:12:03] there’s i think there’s a lot of unintended consequences to uh particular actions like that so that

[00:12:09] the government i could give you a better one i could give you a better one yeah three strikes oh okay yeah so i

[00:12:17] i watched the movie 13 and i saw uh what they were saying about that the three strikes how they

[00:12:23] had mass incarceration for uh blacks uh is that what you’re referring to one

[00:12:29] hundred percent you had you had you had black americans going to jail for stealing a slice of pizza you had got black americans going to

[00:12:36] jail and getting strikes for misdemeanors they were getting charged as felonies you know and and now

[00:12:42] now let’s look at this route the the president who who implemented the three strikes

[00:12:48] law was who um i believe uh according to the movie 13 it was

[00:12:54] uh bill clinton i believe 100 and bill clinton is a part of what political party yeah he’s a part of the

[00:13:00] democrat party yeah there you go now who was the senator who was the majority whip at that time

[00:13:07] who pushed that bill um i’m gonna take a wild guess i believe

[00:13:12] it was uh newt gingrich it was joe biden oh it’s joe biden no i did not know that

[00:13:19] oh wow it was joe biden now now let let’s go back to the

[00:13:26] see it it’s it’s it’s a series of things that okay so why when when did african

[00:13:33] americans become i’m sorry i don’t like saying african-americans because i believe we are american we were born

[00:13:40] here and we have the same right as everybody else so black americans when did black americans become democrats

[00:13:47] yeah well uh as far as i understand it it was right after the um right after the um

[00:13:54] lyndon johnson started um uh i believe right in the 1960s is that

[00:14:03] correct 100 you do have the right you do have the right president but at that time he was a vice

[00:14:09] president yeah running with kennedy and he he stated a quote to

[00:14:15] kennedy in office do you know what that quote was no what was that and i won’t and i won’t

[00:14:20] say what he actually said but he said as long as we get this n words to vote democrat i’ll have them

[00:14:26] vote in democrat for the next 200 years yeah i’ve heard that quote before yeah

[00:14:31] and so yeah go ahead so now you got the democratic party who were slave

[00:14:37] owners who were from the south and you got a vast people who are voting

[00:14:43] for these people who are putting in laws that are going against them right yeah

[00:14:50] um so and so you know and now you have things like okay so now you have things like

[00:14:55] systematic systematic oppression um do you know

[00:15:02] how school public schools get their funding for the most part not for the most part

[00:15:07] but you know there’s federal funding and things like that but do you know how another way they get their funding well my understanding is they get their

[00:15:14] funding basically by the amount of students that they have in the school that that is one that is one of the ways

[00:15:21] but they also get funding from property tax so whatever area you live in in the

[00:15:26] property tax that they take then you you some of the funding goes to that school

[00:15:32] so if i live in a two-bedroom house and you’re in san diego right yeah uh-huh if i live in a two-bedroom

[00:15:39] house in coronado and i live here you’re right you’re so

[00:15:46] they’re saying you’re gonna get you’re gonna get more money if you live in a rich neighborhood versus if you live in a poor neighborhood based on the

[00:15:52] property taxes there you go there there and that that that my friend is racism

[00:15:58] you know which leads to automatic oppression yeah so but that now technically back to your

[00:16:04] definition of racism technically that’s not not racism it’s an unintended consequence um

[00:16:10] because the the that you can only raise so much money it’s not it’s bad policy is what it sounds like it’s bad policy

[00:16:16] no no no no no it is racism because you got to go back to why now now let me ask you this question

[00:16:22] if these if these black communities if these black communities were still flown black communities where and they still had the same and

[00:16:30] they still have the same communities that they did during the harlem renaissance area do you think do you think that it would

[00:16:36] be an issue well then of course if if that same policy was in place

[00:16:42] then you would be getting just as much money as any other neighborhood because you had a wealthy or black community and

[00:16:47] so you would end up with wealthier now i’m opposed personally i’m i’m not i support school choice personally i

[00:16:54] believe people should be able to go to whatever school they want to go to i don’t believe they should be locked into the local

[00:16:59] school if it’s a failing school but no one then they’re there and there shouldn’t be excel in school and if you

[00:17:05] want to choose to send your kid a private school it’s your money and then that’s what you want to pay to do and that’s what you pay to do yeah but but but here here’s my question

[00:17:13] for you do you think do you think crack cocaine was

[00:17:19] was magically just put in to these communities by a drug dealer

[00:17:26] and so you know that’s the thing that i don’t know and i and i i wouldn’t be you know i think racism

[00:17:31] was a huge problem um in the 1960s in the 1950s and

[00:17:36] and the farther back you go i believe the bigger problem it was but my question for you is is racism the

[00:17:43] biggest problem today because it seems to me that there are

[00:17:48] not as many people that uh so for example we’ve gotten rid of pretty much any racist law on the books

[00:17:56] now there’s still racist people that are in leadership and they make racist decisions and that’s horrible and they should be

[00:18:02] they should be removed from whatever position they’re in no doubt about it um but my question is

[00:18:09] so present day what do we do about these issues so for example you probably saw on the news the amount of shootings that

[00:18:14] took place in on father’s day and on the 4th of july with kids being killed in chicago and

[00:18:21] these sorts of things and my question becomes we can say

[00:18:27] this was a cause because of systematic racism this was caused because of systematic oppression this was caused

[00:18:32] because of prosecuting blacks at a higher rate because of crack cocaine

[00:18:38] or or you know being the justice system being wrong and and i wouldn’t disagree with

[00:18:43] that at all i don’t i don’t um you know i think there’s a that’s a very real possibility and a lot of that

[00:18:48] is absolutely true but my question becomes what do we do with it present day

[00:18:53] meaning um do you still think that yourself as a young black man faces

[00:19:00] issues in which you can’t get ahead because of you can’t live out your dreams or you can’t get ahead because of

[00:19:07] the racism that you’re facing on a daily basis in your life or are you excited that that that happened

[00:19:14] to me that happened to me you share that with us so so i applied for a head coaching job

[00:19:22] at new mexico highlands which i worked there and i went on to kingsville the coach left i applied for

[00:19:27] a head coaching job in new mexico highlands um i knew a lot of people there and i

[00:19:32] knew a lot of people on the inside so i knew what was going on um

[00:19:37] the best three candidates were me a coach from another team in the

[00:19:44] conference who was hispanic uh a and two white guys

[00:19:49] me and the coach from the conference who was hispanic did not get an invite on the campus and lead it to us

[00:19:55] not getting the job when i was sent the scores the coach

[00:20:00] one coach didn’t even get an interview his dad has money so they were gonna let him come on

[00:20:05] the other coach scored so low i don’t know how he got on and one coach he did have a high score

[00:20:11] with us so it should have been left to us to see if we were gonna beat him out but we didn’t even get a shot we didn’t

[00:20:17] even get a shot you think that specifically because of uh the the whoever was in charge was

[00:20:23] racist at that school they fired they fired four coaches they they fired four white males because of

[00:20:31] specifically because of racism i i see and then i can’t i get where you’re

[00:20:37] going and maybe you know and how do i explain this sometimes people are racist and don’t

[00:20:44] know they’re racist sure yeah does that make sense yeah it does i mean

[00:20:50] i think that that that is the case sometimes but and i do still think you know people are outwardly racist i i

[00:20:56] i think that still exists i’ve experienced it myself um and so i don’t think

[00:21:02] um i would never negate anybody’s experience where they were treated racist i had um mason weaver on

[00:21:09] the show um a while back and a white guy tried to kill him here in

[00:21:14] san diego by dropping uh i-beams on him while he was working um

[00:21:19] so there’s no doubt about it that racism exists um i guess my question though is

[00:21:26] is so you got held back on maybe not getting a job that he wanted um but on the other hand

[00:21:34] we look at situations like you know 70 percent of the nfl is now black so

[00:21:41] um

[00:21:47] i want to understand these issues so that’s all i’m trying to do so no no no no and i’m not saying it in

[00:21:53] a bad way yeah i’m not saying in the best way and i and i it’s a good old boys club right and like

[00:22:00] you said let me ask you this alfred alfred wait before you before you i’ll let you answer the question but let me let me ask you this

[00:22:06] so is racism as an issue is it um

[00:22:13] something that happens on a case-by-case basis present day or is it something that is you know a

[00:22:20] lot of people um think every white person is racist

[00:22:26] right there’s even a movement right now that’s saying that if you are um if you are in a minority

[00:22:33] you can’t be racist if you are in the majority um you can be racist right and they’ll say every way is in your

[00:22:39] opinion is racism an issue in which each person individually deals with a racist issue

[00:22:45] um or is it that um because some black people will say i haven’t experienced

[00:22:51] racism in my life i think it was one of the real popular ones that’s all over social media right now is a

[00:22:57] little wayne i think it is have you seen that his post where he says he was saved by a white cop

[00:23:03] when he was a kid he was going to die and this white cop saved them and then from there on out he’s never had an issue and he’s actually

[00:23:10] felt supported by people all the time so i guess i’m just asking is it systemic racism

[00:23:15] or is it pockets of racism with individuals um is where i’m going i i think it’s

[00:23:23] both i think it’s i think it’s blatant racism or it become where you’re or you’re a racist where you’re a bigot

[00:23:29] and you and you hang black people and you use the n word and you do you think that black people

[00:23:34] are just animals and girls nobody’s hanging black people present day though

[00:23:39] no what do you mean a high school kid just got hung the other day in new jersey uh dude got hung in

[00:23:46] lancaster there’s people being hung all over the nation and they’re saying the suicide but the dude in lancaster have two

[00:23:52] bullets in his back okay the high school kid the high school kid got hung at his school

[00:23:58] i believe okay they were gonna hang they were gonna hang a dude they were

[00:24:03] going to hang a dude in indiana on fourth of july weekend there’s a full video about it

[00:24:10] okay no i mean and so it’s just it’s it’s a it you’re raised that way right you’re

[00:24:16] part of the kkk you’re talking and you’re you’re you’re a bigot you’re racist right um

[00:24:21] and then you look at some some races are just i think i think your prejudice

[00:24:28] makes it become systemic right and you have to make a decision

[00:24:33] on should we hire this person because i think affirmative action california’s trying to put

[00:24:39] affirmative action i think affirmative action is racist don’t give me a job because of my color

[00:24:45] yeah give me a job because i earned it you know and so and so that you know and so then

[00:24:52] that that’s one of those things where you’re just like geez like you know like you’re putting things in that’s not helping and so

[00:24:58] there are system because issues like little wayne says that but i mean the music industry is one of the the

[00:25:04] media is one of the biggest systemic races out there you know and the stuff that they put on tv for example they have this show

[00:25:10] called married medicine and these are black doctors who are women and they go out in public and they fight

[00:25:17] and they act a fool in public so you’re telling me that these women who work so hard to become doctors still fit the stereotype

[00:25:25] i find that hard to believe i went to usc i know plenty of doctors they don’t act like that

[00:25:30] oh no okay well that’s a tv show where they’re trying to get ratings and everything i mean that’s

[00:25:35] that’s ridiculous i mean they put people in i hear what you’re on shows all the time that are

[00:25:43] i love the fact that you took that i love the fact that you you look at it that way but you have to look at it at what is

[00:25:49] the stereotype of a black person they’re loud they do this they do that and they don’t know how to act in public

[00:25:55] now you’re taking that and you’re putting on tv and you’re broadcasting it for a bunch of people to see it yeah

[00:26:02] well i think you’re right i mean i think christians are stereotyped on tv too as crazy religious zealots

[00:26:08] and they always make them look stupid you know uh not always but frequently that that’s what comes across in

[00:26:14] in tv shows and all as people who don’t think things through or bigots or whatever so i totally hear what you’re saying in

[00:26:20] that regard um and that’s not good i guess i guess what i’m trying to

[00:26:25] understand where i’m trying to get with this is you know what are the solutions to the issues we’re dealing with today i

[00:26:31] personally i think fundamentally the solution is jesus christ i think

[00:26:37] that he taught us uh to love everyone he totally teaches us to love our enemies he teaches us

[00:26:43] to lay down our lives for uh our friends and and uh he teaches us to pray for

[00:26:48] everybody and so i think fundamentally um what we need is we need a humble

[00:26:56] repentance towards god but but um when i look at issues like uh

[00:27:03] so and here you can correct me if i’m wrong but the stats that i looked up said that around 9 to 13 they’re

[00:27:11] somewhere between 9 and 13 black unarmed blacks killed in 2019

[00:27:18] um but the total amount of deaths black deaths is around 7 000. and

[00:27:24] so that that being the case and with so much death on father’s day

[00:27:31] in chicago so much death on 4th of july and people are saying things like racism

[00:27:38] and police brutality are the main issues then you see the amount of death of little black kids

[00:27:45] in chicago and and innocent people um and you go well shouldn’t that be the

[00:27:53] main focus in shouldn’t we be rescuing those people’s lives um when only nine unarmed black i’m not

[00:28:00] saying that that’s not bad it is bad we don’t want any police brutality and there’s no doubt there needs to be

[00:28:06] uh reform in the prison system for sure i’m all about that i’m trying to get a guest on my show uh

[00:28:12] for prison reform um in the next couple of weeks to talk about that but

[00:28:17] my question is is why is there not more attention being paid

[00:28:22] to what’s happening in chicago um [Music] when that seems to be such a bigger

[00:28:29] issue and why i felt very attacked obviously on facebook why was i attacked so aggressively for bringing up

[00:28:37] that when um it didn’t seem to me that police brutality is the main issue that seems

[00:28:44] to be the main issue is how do we stop the innocent lives that are being lost in

[00:28:50] places like chicago well and and that’s a good question

[00:28:57] so let me ask you this question right so commit a crime let’s say let let’s say

[00:29:03] you do mess up right everybody messes up there’s no nobody perfect in this world yeah and then

[00:29:11] all of a sudden you get hit with a felony right you serve your time you pay your debt to

[00:29:16] society now you got to go find a job then they act they they ask that that

[00:29:23] that question about the middle of the resume i mean sorry in the middle of the application

[00:29:28] they asked that question and you know what that question is

[00:29:34] have you ever been convicted of a felony or committed a major crime you click yes

[00:29:40] more than likely you don’t get that job yes right yeah you’re right you’re absolutely right so

[00:29:46] and that happens more to what what race of people well i based on what’s happening right

[00:29:52] now yeah blacks for sure that’s probably the case yeah correct so now you can’t get a job now

[00:29:59] you’re broke you’re hungry so you revert to other ways to get money

[00:30:04] now am i using that as an excuse no i’m not using that as an excuse there’s no excuse my solution to it is you’re right a lot

[00:30:11] of people do need god it’s why people do need jesus in their life 100 i’m not doubting on that one but my

[00:30:17] solution is when are we gonna make it to where people won’t see they’re talking about these on the police it’s not the free

[00:30:23] club don’t define the police what are we gonna start giving these people more value when are we gonna come

[00:30:28] up with programs for for these people to where they can get jobs well they can’t become a sub driver

[00:30:34] or maybe a welder or you know they work some type of laser to where they can get a job when they’re convicted when is that

[00:30:41] going to start happening you know yeah a lot of people go ahead

[00:30:46] i was going to stop i’m sorry go ahead a lot of these people don’t have any

[00:30:53] value a lot of these people don’t have value in their neighborhood and they’re doing whatever they could do

[00:30:59] they’re doing whatever they can do to to get paid right we need to start

[00:31:04] securing more to our neighborhood we bring more value to our neighborhood

[00:31:09] now we don’t have this problem right um see and then i can i can go on

[00:31:16] i can also going to say i don’t think i don’t think black people were killing

[00:31:21] black people during those times you know fourth of july there was a lot of shots that were a lot of professional

[00:31:27] shots and i think there’s a little conspiracy that i could go through but you know we’re not going to go down that

[00:31:33] road but yeah there’s some stuff you know there’s a big thing talking about being from the

[00:31:39] police and the police need to prove why why they need to not be defunded

[00:31:44] and we’ll just leave it there right all i’m saying is when there’s mass shootings by amateur people

[00:31:50] who do not know how to use a gun there’s a lot of misses all of a sudden you’re telling the amateurs to hit 130 something people

[00:31:57] yeah i’m not gonna believe that there so he’s out there but we can’t go

[00:32:03] back to we need to figure out how we can get value into the black community how can we make people worth it if i if

[00:32:09] put it like this if somebody had a job and they can buy their kids something

[00:32:14] for christmas and when they buy their kids something for christmas it’s not an issue and it won’t set them back

[00:32:20] and then all of a sudden they get a friend and that friend said hey we should go do this and that dude says man i’m not about to

[00:32:25] lose my job for this if we get one to do that and all of a sudden his friend gets his friend gets 10 that job and next

[00:32:32] thing you know one leads to three then all of a sudden you know three weeks to nine next thing you know we got

[00:32:38] a hundred thousand doing that a lot of things changed in those communities but we don’t have that opportunity in

[00:32:44] those communities yeah you know well um i i mean

[00:32:49] i hear what you’re saying so uh and i just want to read this verse because um i think this is really important

[00:32:55] matthew chapter 25 verses 35 through 37 it says um

[00:33:01] for i was hungry and you gave me something to eat this is jesus talking i was thirsty and you gave me something to drink i was a stranger and you took me

[00:33:07] in i was naked and you clothed me i was sick and you looked after me i was in prison and you visited me

[00:33:12] then the righteous will answer him lord when did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give you something to drink and it goes on to emphasize and then

[00:33:18] jesus of course says whatever you do for the least of these you do for me so um i have no doubt that there needs to

[00:33:24] be uh prison reform and there needs to be um changes to be able to help people get back on their

[00:33:30] feet after they’ve fallen down and messed up there’s no doubt about it um i’m just trying to figure out what

[00:33:36] the solutions are i i know that right now the the um the black family

[00:33:42] is in places like chicago is has been devastated um with the amount of out of wedlock

[00:33:48] birth with the amount of abortions that have taken place with these sorts of things and so i just

[00:33:53] think we really need to um do whatever we can to help um this pro problem and find solutions

[00:34:01] and of course end any systemic oppression or systemic racism that exists

[00:34:07] uh no doubt about it um so you know

[00:34:14] go ahead were you gonna say something no i i was just agreeing with you i was saying yeah go ahead you’re good i’m

[00:34:19] listening i’m listening what you’re saying so personally um i believe that

[00:34:26] a lot of the government policies that have been in place again whether they’re deliberate or

[00:34:31] whether they’re um you know unforeseen consequences

[00:34:36] i believe that’s what’s hurt the black family so i agree with you and and you know when

[00:34:42] when i was on facebook having a discussion about this um i said you know i don’t think police

[00:34:48] brutality is the main issue i don’t think even racism is the main issue i think the breakdown of the family is the main

[00:34:54] issue and i think the breakdown of the family has happened because of bad government policy and i i saw a guy on there and he was

[00:35:01] saying you know i don’t care about politics i don’t care about who’s the president i don’t care about political party or political affiliation

[00:35:08] but the main problem i have with that is that the democrat party in my opinion

[00:35:14] is enacting policies that are harmful to the family and ultimately they’re harmful to all of us

[00:35:20] and you know i was just reading a stat that said recently that um there’s a huge uh

[00:35:26] probably four or five different polls that have now been taken that are saying that a black voter turnout

[00:35:34] for conservatives for specifically for trump is higher than it’s ever been between 30

[00:35:40] and 40 percent right now what’s your opinion about that do you think that’s

[00:35:46] uh you think there’s a reason for that you think it’s real do you think that’s not real what do you think i just think

[00:35:52] that my generation is finally finally seeing the light i think my generation finally understands that

[00:35:58] well i mean i think my generation is more educated i think my generation um

[00:36:05] understands that it doesn’t you you have every right to vote for whoever you want to vote for

[00:36:10] you have every right to to to believe in what you want to believe

[00:36:15] in and and you can vote for who you think is the best for our country

[00:36:22] um and i’m being 100 honest again and probably people who listen to me in 2016 i voted for trump i

[00:36:28] felt like that was the best possible person for the the country at the time

[00:36:35] um i feel like the economy and i i’ll tell you why i felt the economy was already on the

[00:36:40] upswing and i felt like he could get a bit going back getting back going on upswing even more

[00:36:45] which he did i believe he had a lot to do with that yeah i agree the things that he the

[00:36:51] things that the things that he’s done now i don’t agree with

[00:36:56] the things that joe biden plans on doing i don’t agree with i can tell you right

[00:37:03] now i’m not going to vote for president this year um i’m going to leave it what is it that

[00:37:10] you don’t like that that trump and biden are doing i think i think that trump i think that trump i think that trump is

[00:37:17] is a blame is i i don’t know if he’s blatant blatantly racist i just think that he’s ignorant

[00:37:23] and i think he’s ignorant towards racism and i think he’s ignorant towards race issues and i think he’s playing the game trying

[00:37:28] to get his crowd to vote for him again but he’s not thinking about what is going on

[00:37:34] on the other side of the people who there’s there’s people who are standing and standing and waiting

[00:37:40] for this to happen to vote for trump again and to move in the right direction and he just pushed him all away

[00:37:46] he called i know a lot of put it like this i know a lot of people in texas from coaching in texas that aren’t going to vote for trump put

[00:37:53] it like that and these these are white people and texas is is a red state growing

[00:37:59] through so you think you think that trump has done something that that uh demonstrates he’s potentially racist

[00:38:06] 100 what what what exactly um let’s start with

[00:38:13] when the guys the militia went into michigan the michigan uh the it went into michigan they had

[00:38:21] guns he said these are good people we need to hear them out

[00:38:26] when the black militia walked up to the kkk building with guns they’re villains and they’re trying to

[00:38:32] start problems he said that yes i’ll have to look that up i’m not

[00:38:38] familiar with that well do you think go ahead

[00:38:43] so you know and it it and and that’s my main reason you know i just don’t think i just don’t

[00:38:51] think he i i just don’t think he’s aware of what he’s saying

[00:38:56] i and there’s also other things i don’t like how he handles the covet thing i do you know that’s another issue too

[00:39:01] but it’s just that thing too joe biden is just a blatant racist i’m not going to vote for bladen racist

[00:39:07] oh yeah he actually spoke he actually spoke at robert byrd’s uh memorial

[00:39:12] um and called robert byrd who was one of the was in the ku klux klan himself and

[00:39:18] he actually uh called him his mentor and a hero um which is insane to me i don’t even

[00:39:24] know how he can be the democrat candidate i don’t even understand that but

[00:39:29] um well let me i could tell you why because this is that’s london beach johnson

[00:39:35] playing in full effect you know what i mean that is let me ask you this yeah

[00:39:40] if if a candidate came up and said let let’s let’s just go back in time

[00:39:46] let’s go to 20 2000 20 2016 is a good year because that’s when the big red and blue

[00:39:52] bakery really started it was a good year that’s a good year to use if a candidate walked up on the stage at

[00:39:59] a presidential debate and said this is what i’m going to do i’m going to fully fund education i’m

[00:40:05] going to fully fund health care i’m going to fully fund the military and i’m not big on universal health care but

[00:40:12] if it’s the best thing for the country then we’ll do it but i’m going to find a solution to put us in the right position for

[00:40:17] health care if if if uh if a if a president came up on

[00:40:23] stage and did that will people vote for him

[00:40:28] well sure okay now because he says it but but he doesn’t necessarily do it right

[00:40:35] no yeah it always gets to that yeah um

[00:40:40] now if he came up and he said he was a republican and he did it what will happen

[00:40:48] um he’ll get drunk through the mud pretty much no matter what if he was a republican or a democrat he’ll get drug

[00:40:53] through the mud yeah right yeah because because of his party if a man comes up there with the

[00:41:00] best policy ever for this country to put this country foot forward people people will

[00:41:08] people will still drag them through the mud because of party yeah that makes absolutely that makes

[00:41:15] absolutely no sense we have people and i’ll probably get

[00:41:20] back from people on your shoulder listen to this we have people go to the polls and vote for obama

[00:41:26] just because of his race and they did not vote for him because of what his policy was

[00:41:32] yeah that’s true for sure right but on the flip side nobody voted for

[00:41:38] ben carson yeah that’s true yeah yeah yeah i know that’s because

[00:41:45] all because ben carson was a republican and that was letting b johnson’s plan

[00:41:51] yeah right yeah i agree with you completely on that there’s no doubt about it here let me end with this question because we’re almost out of time here um

[00:41:58] alfred but um so i you know i um i had somebody uh write to me

[00:42:06] on facebook and said how are black people supposed to get ahead and i looked up some stats and i want to read this to you and

[00:42:11] i just want to get your opinion so i i looked up um who’s running chicago right so

[00:42:18] it’s it says here so blacks make up somewhere around 13 of the population um chicago has a black

[00:42:25] female mayor a black female president of the cook county board of commissioners a black female city treasurer a black

[00:42:31] female ceo of chicago public schools a black female president of the chicago park district board of commissioners

[00:42:37] black female president of the metropolitan water reclamation district of greater chicago black female

[00:42:43] lieutenant governor in springfield black police superintendent black fire chief black head of the chicago transit authority the chicago

[00:42:50] housing authority the chicago board of education and the board of chicago city colleges the attorney general for illinois and

[00:42:56] the secretary of state are black carol mosley ron was the first african-american female u.s senator more

[00:43:02] than 25 years ago so i i said look how can you say

[00:43:08] that we haven’t made progress how can you say that uh racism is at least sure it still exists but

[00:43:16] it’s not holding people back the way it was i mean do you agree with that or you

[00:43:21] disagree do you think we’re making progress or do you think we’re we’re moving backwards i don’t think that we’re making progress

[00:43:27] because they’re democrats democrats is the most racist party in the political system

[00:43:34] and those people are pretty much puppets and they’re going by the racist

[00:43:39] way by being democrat if they were independent maybe

[00:43:44] but i i i’ll never after doing all my research i’ll never support another democrat as long as i live

[00:43:51] okay we need we need to that’s not the answer i expected but okay i’ll take it

[00:43:58] uh we need to we need to figure out how to come up with a political party that stands for our own so we can make

[00:44:05] our own rules and we can get ahead are we on path to getting ahead yeah we’re way ahead than what we were

[00:44:11] years ago but are we are we getting ahead at the pace that we need to

[00:44:16] i don’t think so i don’t think so as long as long as african i’m sorry as

[00:44:21] long as black americans remain democrats we’ll never be able to get ahead because we’ll still be able to

[00:44:27] vote the races in the white house and and to be governors and and be public for races

[00:44:32] and we’ll never be able to get ahead okay alfred alfred i agree with you man that was that was great

[00:44:38] hey um i really want to thank you for being on the program today man um it’s been a blessing having you thanks for uh being willing to share

[00:44:44] your opinion and and uh brave the brave distinction here so um thanks a lot no problem thank you

[00:44:52] okay god bless you man i’ll be praying for you uh you got it you got it man for those of

[00:44:57] you listening today uh my website is educate4life.org please check it out if you get a chance we’re going to have a great show

[00:45:04] next week also uh with seth gruber and uh his ministry and which is incredible and

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[00:45:26] them intelligently and so uh god bless you and i hope you have a great weekend also take care

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