The Sexual Holocaust: A Global Crisis – Dr. John Sanford and Bridgette Heap

[00:00:01] welcome to educate for life i’m your host kevin conover my website’s educate4life.org and uh if you’ve been following along

[00:00:07] you know i’ve got all kinds of resources on that website we’ve got hundreds of radio shows with interviews from people all over the world

[00:00:13] talking about how god has impacted them and then how god is using them to impact others and really that’s

[00:00:19] you know jesus christ said the greatest commandments are these love your god with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself and

[00:00:24] you know that’s what we’re trying to do as christians we’re trying to do the best we can to love god and love others and so uh we’ve had some fantastic

[00:00:31] guests on the show recently uh we recently interviewed the co-author of contested bones

[00:00:38] christopher roop which was an incredible show i loved uh talking to chris and um we’ve got his co-author on the

[00:00:45] show today dr john sanford along with bridget heap and um what we’re going to be talking

[00:00:51] about today is something that i think everybody knows is impacting the world it’s kind of like the elephant in the

[00:00:56] room uh not everybody likes to talk about it but it’s something that is really important to talk about which is

[00:01:02] not the quote sexual revolution but actually the book that was just authored by bridget heap and dr

[00:01:09] john sanford is called the sexual holocaust a group a global crisis and um i can’t imagine

[00:01:18] there’s too many people out there who haven’t been impacted in one way or another by the changes that have taken

[00:01:23] place in our culture uh regarding to sec regarding sexuality and uh so uh dr sanford i just want to

[00:01:30] thank you for being on the program today it’s uh my pleasure absolutely and thank

[00:01:35] you bridget also uh for for coming on uh you put a lot of time and effort into

[00:01:40] this book it’s incredibly well documented so bridget thank you for um for coming on the program also yeah

[00:01:46] thank you for having us absolutely um not too long ago um i’ve interviewed several people on

[00:01:53] these sorts of topics and uh documenting that the historical changes that have taken place

[00:01:58] in america in which you know there’s these radical changes i remember when i was in high school there were things that

[00:02:05] we’re dealing with today i graduated in 1994 and they were not even on the radar

[00:02:11] these were not even issues that anybody even brought up and yet today it’s out and out um just everywhere and so um i’m just

[00:02:19] curious uh bridget what uh prompted you to begin to um you know work on a book like

[00:02:26] this and tackle it because it is a big a big subject yeah so um john sanford had actually

[00:02:33] asked me uh to help him with this project and when he asked i i felt like wow this is an amazing

[00:02:39] opportunity because i’d always felt a burden to help protect both women

[00:02:45] and children to just stay essentially safe to stay healthy and to just protect them

[00:02:52] um you know just physically and sexually and so when dr sanford you know just approached me

[00:02:57] and had a conversation about you know would you help with this project i was just really excited to help him um

[00:03:03] just because i think the importance of being able to get this message out there to help people see the magnitude of

[00:03:08] what’s happening um it’s i think it’s important that people can see that and so i was just

[00:03:13] really excited to be able to be a part of a project like this

[00:03:26] did you know that we could be experiencing the worst global humanitarian crisis in human history

[00:03:32] and most people don’t know about it did you know that a majority of the world’s population has been affected by this

[00:03:37] crisis and we’re not talking thousands or millions or even hundreds of millions of people

[00:03:43] we’re talking about billions of people being affected it’s difficult to imagine this many

[00:03:48] people affected by a crisis but we can begin to understand by imagining what one billion people looks

[00:03:54] like to give us a frame of reference we can picture the inhabitants of north and south america

[00:04:00] together these two continents are populated by just over 1 billion people so how are people being affected by this

[00:04:07] crisis over 1 billion people are infected with a sexually transmitted disease

[00:04:13] over one billion women have been physically or sexually abused over one billion individuals are

[00:04:19] addicted to pornography in the past generation over one and a half billion developing humans

[00:04:25] have been intentionally killed as you can see the vast majority of the world’s population has been affected

[00:04:32] by this crisis they have become victims of a sexual holocaust

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[00:04:50] [Music] the sexual holocaust is a multi-dimensional global crisis stemming

[00:04:56] from unrestrained sexual behaviors that have resulted in profound harm to humanity over the past few decades we

[00:05:03] have seen a global shift towards anything goes sexuality anything goes sexuality is not new but

[00:05:10] it started to gain influence in the united states during the 1960s and 70s this was an era when sexuality was

[00:05:17] liberated from traditional restraints after just one generation we can now see the profound effects

[00:05:23] of anything goes sexuality unrestrained sexuality has affected all aspects of our humanity the physical

[00:05:30] emotional social and spiritual a single unrestrained sexual behavior can

[00:05:35] simultaneously create physical emotional social and spiritual harm

[00:05:41] the physical harm is the easiest for us to quantify through biomedical data

[00:05:46] the emotional harm which is more severe and longer lasting than the physical harm is harder to identify because we carry

[00:05:54] those scars on the inside the social harm is often justified as part of human nature

[00:06:00] and individual rights and the spiritual harm is almost entirely ignored these areas

[00:06:06] of humanity closely influence one another our perspective on sexuality profoundly

[00:06:11] affects our identity our sense of guilt and our definition of love our concept of identity guilt and love

[00:06:19] will affect our view on marriage family and children the strength of our marriages

[00:06:24] families and childhoods affect how well we handle loneliness rejection and depression our emotional

[00:06:31] health will influence our actions and result in either fit or poor physical health

[00:06:37] our view of sexuality impacts the very fibers of society if the sexual holocaust is the worst

[00:06:44] humanitarian crisis in human history what are we doing about it until recently

[00:06:50] not nearly enough it’s time we change that here are three ways that we can reverse

[00:06:56] this crisis first change should start with the individual we are all responsible for our actions we all

[00:07:03] need to learn how to appropriately restrain our sexuality so that we can live healthy lives we

[00:07:09] need to be aware of victimizers and learn how to protect ourselves against those who want to exploit us next

[00:07:16] it’s going to take both me and you working together to create change we need to respect and protect each

[00:07:22] other we need to encourage each other to act responsibly and to protect each other from victimizers we also need to help victims

[00:07:30] of the sexual holocaust begin to heal most of all we need to protect the weak

[00:07:35] and the innocent finally we have to hold all institutions accountable

[00:07:40] public institutions should not be promoting unrestrained sexuality instead they should be helping the

[00:07:46] victims the media educational systems and the government are some of the most

[00:07:52] powerful influential victimizers these institutions were meant for the public good

[00:07:57] but instead their agendas are systemically causing harm these institutions need to be reformed

[00:08:03] and redirected as we near the election please vote carefully there are those in our

[00:08:08] government who are promoting anything goes sexuality please do not let them continue to create more victims

[00:08:15] our global society has been ignoring the effects of unrestrained sexuality for the past few decades

[00:08:21] it’s time we wake up and see that the sexual revolution did not lead to sexual liberation

[00:08:27] it led to a sexual holocaust we need to rise up it’s time for us to come out of this

[00:08:32] darkness and step into the light

[00:08:43] okay so there’s the website for those of you listening or just tuning in sexual holocaust.org you can check it out

[00:08:48] that’s where the book is and that’s where there’s more information about uh what what’s uh going on with the organization

[00:08:54] now uh dr sanford um what was the impetus for you for you know

[00:09:00] starting this uh book and and uh where did the heart or the idea for the book come from

[00:09:06] uh for you okay so you know my um my career has been science and i’ve

[00:09:12] been involved in scientific apologetics for 20 years and so a lot of people are saying what’s

[00:09:19] with this it’s you’re not talking about genetics you’re talking about a humanitarian crisis

[00:09:25] um there is an apologetic element to this because god in the bible make it clear

[00:09:32] that we need to control our sexual instincts and behaviors

[00:09:37] and that if we don’t it leads to catastrophe and that’s exactly what we’re witnessing

[00:09:43] and so this is very much uh an apologetic defending scripture

[00:09:48] and basically challenging the secular view of anything goes sexuality so that’s

[00:09:54] that’s kind of why did i get uh why did i invest in this painful topic this is not

[00:10:02] something any of us want to think about yeah um quite a few years ago josh mcdowell

[00:10:08] presented to a very large audience his analysis of

[00:10:13] what’s happening with pornography and the fact that even young children are being

[00:10:20] poisoned by the culture at very early ages and that this is almost universal uh in

[00:10:27] fact as we’ve done the research we found one of the statistics was um only 10

[00:10:34] of men in the world do not seek out pornography just to put it in to understand how

[00:10:41] universal this uh pandemic is and so when i heard um

[00:10:52] the news about that basically i was devastated

[00:10:59] for my grandchildren’s sake i i just i just ached for all the children

[00:11:05] were being corrupted uh and abused uh globally and i just sensed that this was

[00:11:12] a fair this had to be addressed and i realized that most of the world

[00:11:18] doesn’t comprehend the scope and magnitude of this disaster this great tragedy

[00:11:25] so i think that if you if you read the book anyone who reads a book will grasp

[00:11:33] that this is the greatest humanitarian crisis in modern times i think the only the

[00:11:40] only worst crisis would be the flood that’s how that’s how severe this is it’s devastating humanity

[00:11:47] and not just physically but um but but emotionally spiritually and socially

[00:11:53] so this this strikes to the heart of humanity and it’s um it has to be addressed so

[00:12:01] we’re we’re asking people to um

[00:12:07] stand up against what’s happening and as this video clip shows

[00:12:14] um the the new sexuality is being aggressively

[00:12:20] promoted by public institutions schools universities uh government

[00:12:26] and massively the media and so uh those institutions were meant to help

[00:12:34] us not harm us and they need to be totally re-oriented so that’s that’s um that’s the the

[00:12:42] the essence of it i’m gonna um i just like to say i’m really grateful for

[00:12:47] bridget um i told her when we started this project i said this is a dark dark thing

[00:12:54] and i’ve actually had two other people start to help me and then they say i ki

[00:13:00] this is too dark and bridget is very strong in our faith and very courageous

[00:13:07] and so she’s um she’s doing what many people won’t do and that is to

[00:13:13] examine and and warn regarding what’s happening

[00:13:18] yeah i think i’m gonna back off now and ask bridget to uh to to be the the primary spokesman

[00:13:24] now okay well you know um i just want to reiterate basically what

[00:13:32] you know a lot of what you’re you’ve addressed in this book um i i got to interview uh dr judith weissman

[00:13:37] who uh was going to court against things like kinsey uh with the sexual revolution quote the

[00:13:43] sexual revolution and these sorts of things and uh in san diego here i interviewed uh district attorney summer stephen

[00:13:50] who fights against uh sex trafficking and so uh there are huge issues but a

[00:13:56] lot of times people people can’t connect the dots they they don’t see it and they just think to themselves oh yeah well what are you talking about a

[00:14:03] sexual holocaust uh you know where is where is the pain that you’re talking about um

[00:14:08] and uh so what would you say to somebody that says um where’s the evidence for this actual holocaust what in your mind bridget

[00:14:15] what are some of the biggest um consequences or what’s some of the biggest fallout

[00:14:20] from the idea that marriage is no longer uh you know um held within

[00:14:26] a monogamous relationship but it can be before marriage it can be during

[00:14:32] marriage it can be you know what what’s the biggest fallout in your mind when after doing all this research yeah i

[00:14:40] so i think you kind of touched on it a little bit but i think what ends up happening is we start to see that there’s you know

[00:14:48] an effect from this kind of unrestrained sexuality or what we are calling anything goes sexuality and

[00:14:54] so you know there’s there’s a vast majority of there’s a lot of effects that we can see

[00:15:00] so things like you know sexually transmitted disease um if you’re not in a committed relationship you know you can experience

[00:15:07] loneliness every time you go in and out of a relationship there’s a sense of rejection um you know you don’t have a stable family

[00:15:14] structure then there’s there’s no uh financial or emotional support you know socially speaking

[00:15:20] um from you know from the aspect of just spiritually speaking there’s this idea then that you know you don’t

[00:15:26] have a concept of your own identity you’re kind of basing your identity on your sexuality

[00:15:32] um you know being accepted through um your sexual relationships and so

[00:15:37] you kind of have this distorted view then of of who you are and what you you know how you become

[00:15:43] valuable as a human it’s no longer based on your humanity it’s now based on what you do with your humanity you know

[00:15:50] your sexuality um the praise and approval that you can get from others and so what i think

[00:15:56] we end up doing in the world is i think we have a lot of these organizations that are doing a really good job at

[00:16:01] working to either end sex trafficking or to um you know fight against abortion or to

[00:16:06] to do this or to do this but the problem is they are essentially trying to put a band-aid on

[00:16:11] the symptoms they’re not focusing on the main root of the problem and the main root of

[00:16:17] the problem is anything goes sexuality it’s unrestrained sexuality and so i think what dr sanford and i are trying

[00:16:24] to do is to try to get everybody to step back for a moment and say instead of fighting this one

[00:16:29] little issue here we can we can try to fight the main route of the of the problem and

[00:16:34] we can start seeing then that when that starts to in a sense heal or we can start fixing

[00:16:40] that we’re going to start seeing that all the rest of the symptoms can then start to be um we can start to get a

[00:16:47] handle on those things and and so at least that’s the way that i see this is so you know it’s not necessarily just okay

[00:16:54] my marriage individually i have to work on that do i keep sex inside marriage or not

[00:17:00] it’s this concept then of okay there’s a root behind my marriage and my sexuality and

[00:17:07] you know what i’m seeing outside of this are these effects and i’m either gonna put a band-aid on it or i’m gonna

[00:17:13] work on the root of the issue and so that’s what we’re trying to just get people to understand is what the root of the issue

[00:17:18] is oh okay and define that for us real clear for our listeners the root of the issue

[00:17:24] is is unrestrained sexuality so and so when you so bri so um bridget when you say the

[00:17:31] root of the problem is unrestrained sexuality so um tell our listeners then

[00:17:36] what is the opposite of unrestrained sexuality what is it your aim you know persuading

[00:17:43] people that is house sex should be handled right so um you know dr sanford

[00:17:48] mentioned it a little bit earlier the idea that you know um our sexual drive is an instinct um

[00:17:54] and so we’re not saying that sex our sexual drive is bad or negative or something that’s

[00:18:01] wrong um so i’m going to steal a cs lewis analogy here for a second um but c.s lewis gave an analogy about

[00:18:09] our instincts um and what he did is he explained that our instincts are like piano keys

[00:18:15] so if you sit down at a piano none of the keys are in and of themselves bad or wrong

[00:18:22] but when you go to play a song any one of those keys can all of a sudden become

[00:18:27] wrong or bad if they’re played at the wrong time or wrong way and so that’s the same thing with our sexuality if

[00:18:34] done in the right way or at the right time if done appropriately our sexuality

[00:18:39] is beautiful it’s a beautiful god-given thing it works the right way we can see long-lasting fulfillment from

[00:18:46] it but the problem becomes if we use our sexuality inappropriately

[00:18:51] now all of a sudden it’s like a note that’s played you know inappropriately in a song it

[00:18:57] jars us there’s something wrong there’s it’s harmful now and so that’s the idea

[00:19:02] behind the book is we’ve presented 126 pages worth of evidence to say

[00:19:08] wait a second guys we’re seeing that there’s all of this evidence from unrestrained sexuality that it’s

[00:19:14] causing harm it’s not promoting this you know fulfillment that you think

[00:19:19] the sexual revolution was promoting and a lot of people will say um and i’ve heard people say this they say they’ll say this seems to be in the

[00:19:26] news it seems to be on the media they’ll say um to be monogamous is not natural

[00:19:32] and uh they’ll say hey you know what you’re asking people to ask act unnaturally um uh nobody has it

[00:19:40] naturally goes oh i just want to be with one person for the rest of my life and uh of course even in the bible we see

[00:19:46] people like solomon uh who had 700 wives and you’re kind of like whoa what was that all about um

[00:19:52] so how do you respond to somebody who says you know this is not a natural thing to restrain your sexuality with one

[00:19:58] person for your whole life um i think for me i think the thing that i go back to

[00:20:04] is i’m naturally a very angry person um but that doesn’t mean it’s right um

[00:20:10] yeah i have to my poor kids know this like mommy are angry right

[00:20:16] um so just because i’m naturally like that doesn’t mean that i have a right to walk around being angry at people all the

[00:20:22] time same thing with our sexuality just because we might feel something that might be a natural

[00:20:29] instinct or drive or desire that we have doesn’t mean that that it’s it’s right

[00:20:35] that we do that um and i i think what happens a lot of times is people think that

[00:20:40] well as long as i don’t harm somebody else then it’s okay you know as long as you

[00:20:47] know you know i’m choosing to have a sexual relationship with somebody and it’s mutual

[00:20:52] then then that’s fine um you know but what they what they don’t realize is that you know

[00:20:58] even in the idea of somebody saying well i have a natural desire to murder somebody

[00:21:04] okay in the extreme case somebody would say well that’s wrong because you’re harming

[00:21:09] somebody you know and again we we just showed in 126 pages the idea

[00:21:15] that armstrong sexuality promotes all of this harm in physical our emotional our social and our spiritual

[00:21:22] health in all of those ways so the idea that um you know that we might have these

[00:21:29] instincts that we feel and they’re completely you know natural in a sense doesn’t mean that we just should allow them to take place or

[00:21:35] should allow them to dictate our choices it might mean that hey wait a second in order to respect humanity

[00:21:42] we are going to choose to restrain that because we know it’s harmful sounds fantastic yeah can i jump again

[00:21:49] yeah absolutely okay so um but uh john you you said you’re you’re just gonna let bridget talk from

[00:21:55] now on i’m

[00:22:03] so this idea of what’s natural um yeah so basically um what’s natural

[00:22:10] after the fall is not what was a purpose and so um so we

[00:22:18] anger and lust and jealousy and all and just ungodliness

[00:22:26] these things are natural in our fallen state but they don’t reflect our true nature

[00:22:32] or our true um nature as uh uh made in the image of god yeah and so

[00:22:39] there are aspects we all need to not only restrain but actually reject just utterly reject uh

[00:22:47] hatred or there’s just so on so many levels this is clear

[00:22:52] when if we only look at ourselves as animals and we compare ourselves to animals and if we say okay

[00:22:59] if i act like a chimpanzee now i’m being natural we were meant to be much more than

[00:23:05] chimpanzee we’re meant to be holy and that that requires um self-discipline and uh and a

[00:23:14] true desire actually to be clean before god and that’s that’s much better than any

[00:23:21] any type of sexual experience someone could seek yeah yeah community between husband and

[00:23:27] wife in the bible is is meant to reflect

[00:23:32] the monogamy or the um fidelity between god’s people

[00:23:40] and god so when we talk about what’s natural yeah i know uh i read recently that

[00:23:47] grizzly bear adult male grizzly bears will actually eat their own kids and uh

[00:23:52] boy that’s not that’s a bad scenario if you want to talk about being natural goodness gracious um we’re doing the same thing yeah

[00:24:00] so we don’t want to model ourself after animals yeah my mom was up after god there you

[00:24:06] go i like it yeah you know um it’s a huge issue because here in san diego we have a one of our schools actually has

[00:24:12] a daycare center with about 130 babies in it from teen moms who have

[00:24:18] gotten pregnant and and uh the studies i’ve done actually show that uh the number one indicator of

[00:24:23] poverty is the age at which a teenage girl begins to parent a child and so if you want to talk about a holocaust and uh the pain that’s

[00:24:30] involved in uh sex out of god’s uh boundaries uh that’s you know that’s crazy um and so my

[00:24:38] question i guess for you uh bridget is you know uh it seems like things are getting crazier and crazier

[00:24:45] and um if somebody said yeah you know what i want to make a difference i want to get involved i want to i want this to go in the right direction

[00:24:53] um what would be some practical first steps for them you know they’re listening and they’re they’re thinking yeah i want to do

[00:24:58] something right they buy the book they read the book and uh what’s next um how do we begin to um be salt and light

[00:25:05] to our our world yeah so um i i think well

[00:25:13] so dr sanford and i were working on you know okay what what does the solution look like to this

[00:25:19] and i think we want to trade cautiously because one hand every individual is going to um you know

[00:25:28] kind of experience something different because sexuality is very personal um you know so certainly

[00:25:34] somebody who is in the middle of the sexual holocaust is going to have to probably

[00:25:39] um you know obviously i think seek god’s help with this and and their

[00:25:45] their path is going to look a little bit different than maybe somebody else who has a friend that might be in the middle

[00:25:50] of this or says yes i want to promote this um you know so that people can be healed

[00:25:56] so i think we do have to be very careful and loving in every situation um but i think

[00:26:01] to start off with i think there are a few things that everybody can do so i think first of all the biggest

[00:26:08] issue that’s happening is we are we are losing ground with morality i think that we are in a culture today

[00:26:15] where um anything goes because there’s no standard for the appropriate way to treat each

[00:26:22] other um and that that includes anything but specifically sexuality in this case

[00:26:27] and so i think if we can start to have that conversation again with people to say hey wait a second there is a standard at

[00:26:33] which we should be treating each other and there’s a right and wrong here we can begin that conversation i think

[00:26:39] that every individual first of all has to come to that realization and start living their life that way

[00:26:45] um christian i think that’s a little bit easier to be able to grasp because certainly you know i think the idea that okay you

[00:26:52] know we have god the father who would be the moral law giver and he has given us these standards and

[00:26:58] we kind of see that um i think that that’s an easy step for them hopefully um but even in today’s society a lot of

[00:27:05] christians don’t really take the bible at the at its word you know that it’s very old-fashioned um you know

[00:27:12] it’s just not really for today and so i think that that’s really where especially a christian might say

[00:27:18] i really have to get to the point where i i’m accepting what god’s standard is for sexuality um

[00:27:25] and even for somebody who maybe isn’t a christian the idea that they can say you know what i might not necessarily

[00:27:32] accept you know every um standard that god has in the bible but i can

[00:27:37] respect the fact that we do have to treat each other respectfully and that there is a moral standard for us

[00:27:43] so i think that’s the first step is that everyone individually has to get there then i think as that happens i think

[00:27:48] people can start promoting this idea to each other i think the idea of just spreading the concept of what the sexual holocaust is

[00:27:55] that communities gain that concept um then we can start promoting that

[00:28:00] together so now as groups of people families and communities start realizing like okay we have to live this way with each other in

[00:28:06] a community respect each other that way protect the innocent we have to hold victimizers accountable

[00:28:13] to this standard then i think we’re going to start to see a change um and i think the last thing would be to hold institutions

[00:28:19] accountable um and you know institutions are the most influential victimizers we have

[00:28:25] they’re educating our children um they’re controlling the media what institutions when you when you say

[00:28:32] institutions what institutions are you specifically thinking about um so college campuses are a big one um

[00:28:39] there’s college campuses where they have classes specifically on pornography

[00:28:44] um so that’s just one example um what do you do in a situation like

[00:28:50] that because yeah this stuff kind of stuff is rampant um on it and uh

[00:28:55] when i was talking to summer stephen uh the district attorney here in san diego she said that pornography is essentially

[00:29:02] a gateway drug to sex trafficking that was her her words and um would you agree with

[00:29:09] that what what are your thoughts on that yeah um i think you know dr sanford and

[00:29:14] i dr sanford says all the time that pornography is one of those things that just it opens up the door to all of the other

[00:29:21] issues that we’ve you know mentioned in the book um and so i think what it takes is i think it just

[00:29:28] takes um being relentless with the message that this is actually causing harm

[00:29:33] so i think that you have to go to every door and every avenue at the college universities through

[00:29:38] parents through children i think you just have to warn everybody and say do you realize what you’re actually doing

[00:29:43] what you’re actually promoting and i think what i think when parents start realizing it i think when students

[00:29:49] start realizing it i think when fellow faculty start realizing it when the college starts realizing it and people have to be held

[00:29:55] accountable all of a sudden that now they’re the ones responsible for causing this harm i think the message would start changing

[00:30:02] that now oh okay yeah we don’t want to be responsible for the ones causing this harm and so i think that’s

[00:30:08] but but it takes being relentless in that sense that you you have to knock on all those doors and and wave that flag and say do you

[00:30:14] realize that this is what’s happening because i don’t think people see that big picture yet and how it’s all

[00:30:20] connected yeah i i completely agree with that um i think that

[00:30:25] uh like you said people just don’t connect the dots um and i was reading an article not too

[00:30:32] long ago and it actually said that pornography is now um

[00:30:37] being credited like like in divorce cases people are actually pointing to pornography a lot as uh the

[00:30:45] the instigator of moving towards divorce in it for divorce lawyers and when they ask you know why why is this happening

[00:30:52] um this was in the american academy of matrimonial lawyers questioned 350 divorce attorneys and

[00:30:58] found that roughly 60 percent reported that internet porn played a significant role in the divorces

[00:31:04] with excessive interest in online porn contributing to more than half of such cases um you know i think it’s interesting

[00:31:10] your book is so well uh researched um so do you think that this is a book that is

[00:31:16] for both um christians and uh non-believers uh would it appeal to somebody who is um

[00:31:23] coming from a a non-uh religious or non-christian uh perspective

[00:31:29] yeah that was the intention of the book we hoped to write it to the broadest audience that we could

[00:31:35] um so certainly there is a spiritual section in the book but you know if you ask most people

[00:31:41] today they consider themselves spiritual just not necessarily religious they might not identify with a particular

[00:31:48] um religious you know group um and so the idea was even though you know dr sanford and i

[00:31:54] wholeheartedly believe that um you know that jesus christ is the way to be able

[00:32:01] to overcome this you know through his his work in a person’s life we do

[00:32:08] believe that people have a sense of morality because god gave that to them

[00:32:14] and so because all individuals are made in his image that’s a a step in the right direction

[00:32:20] and so and even a non-believer can at least recognize that and say okay i see that all this causing harm

[00:32:26] and i see that there’s light i see that there’s something better and i want that and so whether or not we agree

[00:32:32] um with specifically you know where we might be saying where this light is coming from

[00:32:38] i think they can see that even in the book um from that standpoint so yeah if you’re

[00:32:43] listening today my guests dr john sanford and author bridget heap and um they’ve written a book the sexual

[00:32:50] holocaust a global crisis you can check it out at sexual holocaust.org and get the information

[00:32:56] personally i think being equipped with this kind of information is so important and so valuable to being able

[00:33:02] to dialogue and move people in the right direction even here again in san diego in the san

[00:33:08] diego city school district one of the largest school districts in california they’ve been trying to promote uh using

[00:33:14] pornography in sixth grade sex education it’s unbelievable

[00:33:19] and there’s been huge you know fights over it but when it all comes down what we really need is we need hard

[00:33:25] evidence to be able to persuade people especially people who aren’t trusting in the lord um you know and don’t trust the word of

[00:33:33] god but to be able to give this evidence and say look you know we can all agree that a child’s

[00:33:39] life is valuable and that a uh child should not be being exposed to this

[00:33:44] um it’s just going to ruin them and so um i think you know that’s a huge deal

[00:33:51] uh and and so when it comes to these sorts of issues um even things that are popping up that

[00:33:58] seem so foreign like the issue of pedophilia um in your book you talk a little bit about

[00:34:03] this and how even that people are trying to normalize something as as evil as that

[00:34:10] yeah um i i and you know our book isn’t necessarily comprehensive you know so

[00:34:15] some people come talk to me a lot and they say oh did you know about this and did you write about this and you know

[00:34:20] we couldn’t include everything in there we just wanted to give the big picture and sure you know as grass

[00:34:26] too it’s like ah if we could just you know include that in there and help people to see how

[00:34:32] how this relates in the big picture you know but we can’t but hopefully we can get the conversation going and

[00:34:37] i think pedophilia is one of those things that um that’s been gaining a lot of traction

[00:34:42] recently in the idea that people are trying to normalize it so before people used to look at it as

[00:34:48] something as okay an individual who had those desires that was a mental illness they were you know

[00:34:55] predatory but the idea that now that it’s just a sexual orientation

[00:35:00] makes it normalized and so you know as a parent that makes me just incredibly shocked

[00:35:08] and fearful for the future for my kids just the idea that people are trying to sexualize children

[00:35:16] um and the idea that we’re gonna think that that’s okay that you know an adult could be

[00:35:23] having sexual relationship with a child that to me is one of those things that

[00:35:28] just it still just blows my mind so yeah yeah but it just

[00:35:34] goes to show the ground that the whole um like you mentioned earlier in the video i believe

[00:35:39] that um there’s a loss of moral ground of moral standards and a lot of that has to do with the fact

[00:35:45] that um as the church we need to continue to share the good news of jesus christ and ultimately help people build a

[00:35:51] relationship with the lord but um yeah so so um and then uh dr sanford

[00:35:59] uh the feed my sheep foundation you know really um you’ve been doing that for a long time and that’s helped to do this and this was kind of

[00:36:05] birthed out of that organization uh and what you put together there there

[00:36:11] um so are you doing anything else besides the book as far as are you are you do you have any plans in order

[00:36:17] to try to uh move things forward in this direction and address these issues or or build a kind of a coalition at all yes so um we

[00:36:26] would definitely like a coalition when we look at the nature of what we’re up against

[00:36:31] we’re up against actually power we’re up against powers and principalities

[00:36:36] and and so and even just the earthly powers are lined up against us on a

[00:36:42] massive scale so basically all christians have to come together on this uh because um because

[00:36:51] we’re up against something that’s almost in inconceivable uh without god’s help we’re we’re toast

[00:36:57] basically um feed my sheep was originally started

[00:37:02] with the concept of food for the soul that is even in the 90s when i started

[00:37:10] feed my sheep i knew that the internet was now presenting evil

[00:37:15] things to children and my goal was to get kids unplugged

[00:37:20] or supervised be so that they would their innocence would be protected and

[00:37:26] so that they wouldn’t be uh poisoned by the culture and so i still we still hold to that

[00:37:33] parents have a huge role in deciding what kids have access to

[00:37:40] and so um it’s it’s urgent that parents teachers

[00:37:46] anyone who’s responsible and cares about humanity should come together on this

[00:37:52] and and so one thing that’s really interesting is i’ve interacted with some muslims from

[00:37:58] egypt and uh i’ve talked to three people told them about this all three of them

[00:38:04] were very interested in we have now translated this book into arabic

[00:38:10] it’s also being translated into chinese so we feel this is very much a global

[00:38:15] problem and we sense that a lot of america is numb to this

[00:38:21] unless the world is much i think perhaps more aware of how devastating this is

[00:38:28] so um i i guess i’d like to uh how much

[00:38:34] actually i don’t know how much time we have left uh we we have between about five and ten minutes we don’t have a hard stop date

[00:38:40] but yeah about five yeah there’s some couple of things i’d really like to say one is um

[00:38:46] when we decided to characterize all these different deviant sexual behaviors and these

[00:38:52] wicked behaviors like like marketing human beings and that sort of thing

[00:38:57] we decided to use a generic term anything goes sexuality the reason we did that

[00:39:04] is each group claims that they have special needs and that they’re victims themselves

[00:39:10] and that the world hasn’t treated them right so you have people who are advocating for

[00:39:15] every type of sexual deviancy and they say we’re a special group we need protection we need affirmation well actually

[00:39:22] mostly we all need warning and we do not need affirmation

[00:39:28] except for the people who are trying to come out of the darkness into the light there’s the only people who need

[00:39:34] affirmation everyone else needs warning and so so our institutions are

[00:39:39] teaching affirmation and they’ve got it totally wrong we need to um

[00:39:44] basically reward good behavior and help people escape from

[00:39:51] harmful behavior so so that’s the first thing is this is a generic thing this isn’t about this group or that group and

[00:39:58] whether they have to be treated separately we all have a problem with sexual immorality

[00:40:04] and without jesus none of us can overcome it and so basically jesus is the answer

[00:40:11] um there’s three things in the bible i’d like to point out that are very relevant to this topic the

[00:40:18] first one is sodom and gomorrah in sodom uh all the men were prepared to

[00:40:25] uh to sexually uh assault the two angels think about that talk

[00:40:32] about evil and they were not born that way

[00:40:38] they learn that behavior people all people have a sex drive but

[00:40:45] they’re the way it’s manifested is learned and that’s what happened in sodom and gomorrah that’s what’s happening today

[00:40:52] and so uh there’s there’s you know this isn’t about um so sodom and gomorrah speaks directly

[00:41:00] to what’s happening today our culture is moving rapidly towards sodom and gomorrah

[00:41:07] secondly uh i just urge people to read ezekiel chapter 33

[00:41:12] it’s about god says to ezekiel you will be my watchman and you must warn the

[00:41:18] people and if you don’t warn the people their blood will be on your head and so read ezekiel 33 please everybody

[00:41:26] it speaks to today’s situation and thirdly uh i urge us

[00:41:33] all to carefully read revelation 17 and 18 which is where

[00:41:39] the great prostitute babylon controls the whole world and uh

[00:41:47] and that all the people of the world have been intoxicated by her adulteries and i think if you

[00:41:55] read that you will see where we’re headed and we’re quite a ways along that road and so

[00:42:02] what god has to say about that a voice from heaven speaks to uh to this issue

[00:42:10] and he says come out of her meaning babylon come out of her my people lest you

[00:42:16] suffer in her torment and so uh we need to be warned

[00:42:23] especially warrant we need to warn parents to protect their children but we all have to come out of babylon

[00:42:29] which i believe is to reject this hyper-sexualized culture and basically um

[00:42:38] shun all the evil that’s growing around us and

[00:42:44] and and and pray that jesus comes soon because uh we because our children and

[00:42:50] grandchildren are going we’re going to be losing them to this evil culture and so um it’s very you know the book

[00:42:57] was written in a in a non we didn’t address christianity because we wanted to reach

[00:43:03] all people with this warning but it’s very clear the answer is jesus yeah

[00:43:09] and and so uh and christians have to come together on this because it’s we’re the ones we’re we’re

[00:43:15] the watchmen that god has said you must warn the people. and so if we’re ourselves in sin that’s

[00:43:21] a problem and if we’re indifferent to the world then well we’ve failed to do what god has asked us

[00:43:29] to do which is warn the people so those are these are things that i think should um

[00:43:36] burn in in the spirit of every christian person is let’s be praying

[00:43:43] let’s stand against the evil let’s speak in love but let’s speak the truth and the truth

[00:43:50] is there has to be radical change yeah absolutely i you know i heard josh

[00:43:56] mcdowell speak on this uh quite a while ago and uh he i i was surprised by what his statement

[00:44:03] he said i know of no greater uh uh detriment to a young person’s faith

[00:44:08] than pornography at the time is what he said and i thought i wonder why he said that why did he why did he say

[00:44:14] that was so dangerous but since then i’ve noticed a pattern and that is that i’m a high school teacher i teach 12th

[00:44:20] grade biblical apologetics and i have a lot of young men who say mr conover i really

[00:44:26] want to follow the lord i want to do what’s right but i can’t seem to stop looking at this and um it’s a it’s like

[00:44:33] a a web right and it it it is very difficult for young people to escape and even for a lot of parents they don’t

[00:44:40] know how to deal with it they don’t know how to help their their kids and um so if you’re out there listening and you’re you’re looking um

[00:44:46] covenant eyes is a great product that really is focused on trying to help people um

[00:44:53] work together to try to deal with these issues so i want to encourage you with that so um

[00:45:00] bridget and dr sanford i just want to thank you so much for being on the program i think it’s an incredibly necessary and timely message so thank

[00:45:08] you so much for being on the program today thank you kevin yeah absolutely yeah

[00:45:13] absolutely sexual holocaust.org check it out if you get more information about the book equip yourself with the knowledge to be

[00:45:19] able to have a dialogue with your neighbors with your co-workers and show them how important this really

[00:45:24] is because people just can’t connect the dots they just don’t think about this they see what’s immediately in front of

[00:45:30] them but we need to see we need to see the bigger picture of what’s happening here so um thanks for being

[00:45:35] with us today we’re going to be back again uh next week with um stand to reason and we will be

[00:45:40] talking about um how to reach young people specifically and uh how the times have changed and

[00:45:47] what the best way is to train a young person up to become comfortable sharing their faith and talking about

[00:45:53] jesus uh to the people around them so i hope you’ll join me again next week my website is educateforlife.org

[00:45:58] and you can check out all kinds of resources on there about creation evolution world religions

[00:46:03] everything you can imagine to be able to help you build a firm foundation in your faith so thanks for being with us today i hope

[00:46:09] you have a fantastic friday and a great weekend god bless you we’ll see you next time

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