Is It Ok to Teach Islam in Public Schools – Chuck Limandri

[00:00:00] now here’s your host Kevin con bring your ti BR your shame welcome to educate

[00:00:07] for life I’m your host Kevin Conover and my website is educate forlife.org my

[00:00:13] guest today on the show is Chuck lamandre if you’ve paid any attention to Religious Freedom issues like the M

[00:00:18] Mount solidad Cross or the uh firefighters in the parade a while back uh these sorts of issues um he is

[00:00:26] instrumental uh he was the key attorney in keeping the the cross up on Mount solidad he’s fought that issue forever

[00:00:33] since 1983 he’s handled numerous high-profile civil law and pro bonus pro

[00:00:38] bono religious liberty cases uh including the cross uh priest for Life

[00:00:43] Jonah and many other organizations in state and federal courts as well as before the United States Supreme Court

[00:00:49] currently he’s defending David deidon if you uh know about this this is the guy that was he’s the founder of the Center

[00:00:55] for Medical progress it was all over the news especially before uh the election took place

[00:01:00] uh he’s the one that was investigating uh Planned Parenthood and uh the human capital project basically what was

[00:01:06] happening was he was uh videotaping undercover uh people involved in Planned

[00:01:12] Parenthood who were admitting that they were actually selling baby’s body parts and U since then he’s been attacked uh

[00:01:19] vly and um Chuck you’ve been defending him is that right yes I have yeah and so

[00:01:24] that’s that’s in the courts right now is that correct it is both um two cases in federal court in San Francisco and then

[00:01:31] there’s also a state court criminal case actually that attorney general brought that’s proceeding in San Francisco as

[00:01:38] well incredible and that that’s what happens when you stand up for what’s right are you uncover absolutely correct at least if you go against Planned

[00:01:44] Parenthood cronies and political friends yeah yeah okay well we’ll be praying for him and and praying for you in that case

[00:01:50] thank you well um uh Chuck uh is a part of the he started the freedom of conscious defense fund fcdf legal.org FC

[00:01:59] CDF legal.org if you would like be involved with his organization or learn more about it please check out his

[00:02:05] website uh he’s got all kinds of great stuff but today what we’re talking about I was turned on to this recently uh by a

[00:02:11] friend uh there’s a movement now in San Diego in the San Diego City schools to

[00:02:16] get uh Islamic awareness or um to stop supposed Islamic bullying in the San

[00:02:23] Diego City Schools um can you tell us what’s happening and and when this started sure it probably started as

[00:02:28] early as 202 12 when the San Diego Unified School District started entering

[00:02:33] into what they call a partnership with care which is a council for American Islamic relations in order to heighten

[00:02:41] the awareness of the faculty students administration at the U San Diego City

[00:02:48] schools of uh uh Islam and issues dealing with Muslims with the idea being

[00:02:55] that uh Muslims were somehow being disproportionately singled out for

[00:03:00] bullying and the issue was largely I think brought to the Forefront by care

[00:03:07] which is recognized as the largest Muslim advoc advocacy group in the United States and it touts itself as

[00:03:13] being a religious organization as well and they did their own study which a school district relied

[00:03:19] on which made it look like Muslims were being bullied more than other students but when you actually broke down the

[00:03:25] figures that they had uh their idea of bullying consisted of people basically disagree with Muslims on on certain

[00:03:32] types of uh issues it didn’t necessarily uh mean any type of physical bullying in fact their numbers are very small when

[00:03:39] the school district uh did their own survey on whether or not students were bullied based upon religious issues the

[00:03:46] most recent data they have was for the last half of last year and they came up with out of 130,000 students seven

[00:03:52] complained of discrimination due to bullying but they didn’t break it down by religion so we didn’t even know if any of those students are seven students

[00:03:59] out of 30,000 that’s correct um and none of them may have been uh Muslims as far

[00:04:04] as we know from the data that the Anti-Defamation League a Jewish organization has done is Jewish students

[00:04:10] tend to be uh far more likely to be bullied at least nationally uh than Muslim Students so why is the school

[00:04:18] district partnering with uh partnering with care in order to uh provide what we

[00:04:23] believe is favoritism towards Muslim Students and it’s not just in terms of anti-bullying program because qu frankly

[00:04:30] we believe all students should have a a safe and secure educational environment and be yeah free of bullying not just

[00:04:37] Muslim Students like you know Christians Jews or any religion or or no religion so if they enforce the anti-bullying

[00:04:44] policies already imp place across the board that should be sufficient but we believe the whole bullying thing is a

[00:04:50] pretext because in conjunction with that they want to change the curriculum to be

[00:04:55] more favorable and and putting uh Islam uh in in General in Muslims in

[00:05:01] particular a more uh favorable light uh to faculty and students and again they’re relying on materials supplied by

[00:05:07] care when you look at some of these materials a lot of parents would be uh would find it objectionable they talk

[00:05:14] about how the Muslim excuse me the American Empire has kind of stoked the Flames of Muslim yeah they use that

[00:05:21] terminology uh and how American policies are partially responsible for a 9/11 um

[00:05:27] you know highly charged uh in inflammatory uh matters of a a political

[00:05:33] uh nature uh not just a a religious nature U putting America uh in in a bad

[00:05:39] light uh in that regard so Islam fundamentally is both a a religious uh

[00:05:46] you know belief system as well as a political uh belief system they go hand

[00:05:51] inand yeah no question about it I mean the uh Quran is very clear about that

[00:05:56] and Sharia law is inherent to Islam yeah you essentially can’t be Muslim

[00:06:01] without agreeing with Sharia law by its very nature it’s part and parcel it’s like saying I’m a Christian but I don’t

[00:06:07] believe in the 10 commandments we’ll just throw those those out and I’ll still be a Christian yeah you know you just can’t you can’t have it that you

[00:06:13] can’t uh a jettison the core beliefs of your faith and and still profess to be

[00:06:18] uh at least any kind of fervent or devout adherent to that faith and we as Christians you know accept the teachings of Christ and the uh Muslims accept the

[00:06:26] teachings of uh Muhammad and he was very much in favor of establishing a

[00:06:32] political Empire and and that’s what he sought out to do so it is both a political ideology and a religion and

[00:06:39] the curriculum uh that they’re proposing to give students does doesn’t really show that side of Islam so it’s it’s not

[00:06:47] what you call Fair balanced in objective plus now you’ve been able to review that curriculum we have and and in the

[00:06:53] complaint that we recently filed the amending complaint we got more of those uh materials than we actually quoted

[00:06:59] from them in the terms like American Empire and fueling the Flames of Muslim resentment I mean those are in materials

[00:07:05] that uh care has brought into the public schools and distributed and had uh spokespeople uh so is this is this in

[00:07:12] elementary schools is this middle schools is this high schools what is where is this uh exactly being distributed uh middle schools and high

[00:07:18] schools to our knowledge I’m not aware of of as much has been done uh in the uh

[00:07:24] Grade School uh level but the program that they’re trying to put in place place they’re calling it a comprehensive

[00:07:31] and fully integrated program for all grades so it’s going to we have to wait

[00:07:37] and see to what extent uh the lower grades are going to be exposed to what we feel is propaganda yeah and at least

[00:07:43] a subtle form of indoctrination which is going to include even having Muslim prayer rooms at some of the schools now

[00:07:51] now uh this is amazing to me that this uh because you constantly hear uh people saying hey separation of church and

[00:07:58] state exact and and so forth and so on they’re saying hey uh we’ve got to keep religion separate and yet here um we’re

[00:08:04] seeing in the the city schools which are hardly conservative you know the board members are not conservative no they’re

[00:08:10] very leftists and so it’s strange because typically they would cry hey separation of church and state and yet here you’re you’re saying that they’re

[00:08:16] potentially going to have Islamic prayer rooms well that’s part of their program and to have Muslim holidays on the school calendar now because of the

[00:08:23] backlash are saying okay we’ll put the Christian and Jewish ones back but for a long time because of the so-called

[00:08:28] separation in church State I mean you couldn’t even say Merry Christmas yeah now because the Muslims want to have

[00:08:33] Ramadan celebrated uh they’re being forced to recognize that there’s such things as a Christmas and Easter that

[00:08:39] are on the school calendar but of course you have to refer to them as winter break and spring break you can’t even talk about Christmas and Easter vacation

[00:08:45] anymore so it’s so D it’s such a double standard no no question about it and that’s why there’s been a push back and

[00:08:52] and parents have gone to these board meetings and express their concerns uh to the complete you know disregard of

[00:08:58] the uh the school district has acted with complete disregard to the parents and so we felt it necessary to file this

[00:09:04] complaint in federal court in when when did this start well the bringing care in and having their

[00:09:11] partnership and signing a written agreement with care went back as far as 2012 oh wow but yeah but in terms of the

[00:09:17] school board enacting uh this new regime they’re supposed to put in place for this next school year uh that was I

[00:09:24] believe in in April so they voted on that April of this year 2017 okay okay

[00:09:30] but they had uh people from care coming into the schools as early as uh February

[00:09:36] of this year soon after the election I think kind of as a reaction to okay you guys you conservatives voted for

[00:09:42] President Trump we’re going to show you what we can do with our power oh wow and if you’re going to have uh things like

[00:09:47] immigration reform we’re going to make sure that the people that you think are

[00:09:52] potential um rais concerns with regard to immigration uh that we’re going to bend over backwards to over accommodate

[00:10:00] them in in response that’s the impression that I get it was kind of a knee-jerk political reaction from the leftist members of the school board to

[00:10:07] kind of sticking in the eye of the people uh who voted for President Trump at least in terms of the timing yeah

[00:10:13] okay and uh so in response to that we filed the complaint in in May and we

[00:10:18] just uh amended it based upon additional information that was brought to light in

[00:10:23] June okay well Ahad my my guest today is Chuck lamandre and what we’re talking about is Islam in the public schools

[00:10:29] specifically San Diego City schools and this is a hot a hot issue it’s very significant and we’re going to talk more

[00:10:35] about why you should care why you should be concerned and why maybe you should contact uh the San Diego City School

[00:10:41] Board or uh visit Chuck and just stay uh stay in tune about what’s happening with

[00:10:46] this case uh and what’s happening uh legally here we’re going to be right

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[00:13:26] well-known attorney here in San Diego County very involved in a lot of Religious Freedom cases and and cases in

[00:13:32] which people need to be able to um act according to their conscience and uh that’s what the Constitution is about we

[00:13:37] just celebrated 4th of July where we’re celebrating the freedom uh to live and to believe as we as we desire right not

[00:13:45] to be coerced to believe something and so um Chuck we’re talking about Islam in the San Diego City schools here and you

[00:13:52] know some somebody out there might be thinking hey what’s the big deal they’re teaching some they’re teaching about Islam you know they’re letting people

[00:13:58] know about this religion uh Christians also want people to know about Christianity so why is this a problem uh

[00:14:06] when it comes to Islam here what what is the why should people care that this is actually happening the fact that they

[00:14:12] may be including Islam in world religions would be perfectly appropriate as a major religion a large percentage

[00:14:17] of the Earth’s population uh profess to be adherence adherence of Islam but how

[00:14:23] they do it is very important the school district being in arm of the government since we’re talking about public schools

[00:14:29] we not talking about private you know Christian Schools sure uh the courts have been very clear that since public

[00:14:35] school education is mandatory and because uh kids are impressionable that

[00:14:41] they can’t use an opportunity to push one religion over another okay and if they’re presenting the materials in such

[00:14:47] a way as to have a disproportionate emphasis on Islam and they’re bringing

[00:14:52] in speakers from care whose task it is really to not just educate but proze

[00:14:58] they’re very clear it’s basic they’re painting is Islam in a positive light exact exactly correct and and other

[00:15:05] belief systems in not such a positive light so uh and that’s you know they’re

[00:15:10] they are perfectly justified in doing that the way they want to advocate for their religion in most places but not in

[00:15:18] the public school system and the government cannot partner with them to allow them to do that if they want to go

[00:15:24] out and try to spread uh their religion the way Christians or or any other religion want to do that in the Public

[00:15:31] Square um they can they can do that or in the marketplace or their their MOS or

[00:15:36] churches or synagogues we’re all free to do that you can’t do in the public school system uh and again the the court

[00:15:42] cases have been uh very clear on that even to the point and most people disagree you can’t even you know pray

[00:15:48] before a football game for the safety of students but now they’re going to have a Muslim uh prayer rooms uh not not

[00:15:54] accommodations for other faiths but for Muslim Students said this the San Diego

[00:16:00] City schools have said we’re going to have Muslim prayer room that’s correct and they’re going to have Muslim safe places and they’re going to have their

[00:16:06] special menu items what they call Halal I guess type of how do they think that I’m just confused how does the the board

[00:16:14] um because you’re suing here um you’re suing the board you are suing

[00:16:20] the superintendent Cynthia Martin um and how how are these people unaware of the

[00:16:27] fact that this uh is such a double standard and it’s violating uh what the

[00:16:32] courts have already determined which is that you can’t uh Advocate or promote or proze within a public school do they

[00:16:39] just not realize this or what’s going on are they I think they realize it I think they want to push the limits of their

[00:16:45] own uh political belief system um Kevin in in doing this religious liberty work

[00:16:51] now for I don’t know uh 15 20 years so I’ve been involved with it I mean it becomes increasingly clear to me that

[00:16:57] there’s kind of two diam diametrically opposed worldviews there’s the judeo-christian worldview and there’s

[00:17:04] the secular uh worldview and the secularists and I I think from what I

[00:17:09] understand of the San Diego Unified School District School Board they tend to be more of that um mindset uh they

[00:17:17] tend to align themselves with anything that’s not of a judeo-christian perspective it seems like that yeah now

[00:17:22] they may say because they consider this a multiculturalism type of issue and they’ve embraced the concept

[00:17:28] multiculturalism is always a good thing so anything that’s that’s not judeo-christian they they’re going to

[00:17:34] embrace for that purpose uh but that doesn’t mean that you can do it in a one-sided preferential fashion that

[00:17:40] turns out being discriminatory towards other students particularly when you consider the fact that I think there’s

[00:17:46] less than 1% of the San Diego population is is Muslim and something like 80 80% 75 80% live Dem Republic here that’s

[00:17:54] exactly right so you know the majority has rights too they they can’t discriminate against the minority but if

[00:18:01] you’re going to be bending over backwards to accommodate students why are you’re going to pick you know the 1%

[00:18:07] uh of the population and especially if as you say there’s no evidence that there’s actually any bullying uh taking

[00:18:14] place that specifically targeting Muslims right we haven’t seen that they’ve not presented you know any evidence and now my understanding is

[00:18:20] that school board meetings where this was announced in advance uh K was able to get students to come forward with

[00:18:27] their prepared speeches Muslim Students and give a little presentation okay as to why they felt that this would be uh a

[00:18:34] good thing uh but again no actual statistical evidence that the school

[00:18:39] district has presented of any actual bullying of Muslim uh students in San Diego and you know it clearly is

[00:18:46] pretextual because car has said they want to roll this out all over the United States so it’s not a San Diego

[00:18:52] issue yeah they’re saying San Diego is their pilot program and because they

[00:18:57] have uh School Board that’s receptive they’ve targeted San Diego to introduce

[00:19:02] this not because we have a problem in San Diego but because they want this to be a model program to help spread Islam

[00:19:09] and the person who is in charge of communications for care for the United States is on record as having previously

[00:19:17] said that uh look we’re we are nonviolent there’s been leaders of care that have been identifi with terrorist

[00:19:23] groups some have been indicted some have been convicted and they were founded by Muslim and Brotherhood which has been

[00:19:29] associated with with car’s group so uh car has a very checkered past and now the school district is trying to

[00:19:35] distance themselves uh from care but um when you say they’re trying to distance

[00:19:40] themselves from care what do you mean is this a recent development yes even the uh we understand that they’re going to

[00:19:46] be a voting on July 25th coming up whether based upon our lawsuit they’re

[00:19:52] going to sever their relationship with K uh which would be a positive sign so we’ll wait and see uh that goes but I

[00:19:59] started to say the head of communications care is on records and although we are nonviolent um make no mistake about it

[00:20:07] it is our goal to eventually have the United States as a Islamic State they’re

[00:20:12] very clear yeah and if they’re going to be faithful Muslims uh that is their goal a worldwide caliphate Christians

[00:20:19] don’t profess to that yeah it’s not as if we want to take over the world Christians don’t want to take over the world no we want to evangelize and share

[00:20:25] the the the good news of Salvation to those who are recept and if a person wants to choose to

[00:20:30] accept Christ Christ says I stand at the door and knock if anyone opens the door I’ll e with him and he with me it’s not

[00:20:36] I’m going to knock the door down exactly right Christ never advocated any type of

[00:20:42] uh forceful conversion you know he said to the the disciples you know Shake the Dust from your feet if they don’t want to receive you but just leave peace

[00:20:50] peacefully that’s not the teaching of Islam exactly I wanted to quote just a couple Islamic scriptures and I want to

[00:20:56] be very clear that both Chuck and myself um it’s not that we are islamophobic

[00:21:01] it’s not that we don’t love Muslims there are a lot of Muslims out there that that um are good people that are a

[00:21:06] part of society that are doing good things uh the stats I’ve heard is that only 10 to 15% of the Muslims uh in the

[00:21:11] world are radical Muslims but if you’ve got one and a half billion Muslims that’s a lot of people that believe in

[00:21:18] what the Quran says when it says things like this this is uh Quran chapter 9 verse 29 and fight them until

[00:21:24] persecution is no more and religion be only for Allah uh but if desist then let there be no hostility against the

[00:21:30] wrongdoers here’s another one this is Quran 9:13 will you not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges and purpose

[00:21:37] to drive out the me messenger and did attack you first uh here’s another one

[00:21:42] Quran chapter 2 verse 191 and slay them wherever you find them and drive them

[00:21:47] out of the places whence they drove you out for persecution is worse than slaughter now contrast this with the

[00:21:53] words of Jesus Matthew 5:44 love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you Matthew 5:39 this is Jesus again if

[00:22:00] anyone slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other cheek also and then Matthew 5: 11-2 blessed are you when

[00:22:07] others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account rejoice and be glad for great is a reward in heaven

[00:22:13] yeah so here’s a distinction um Jesus has been very clear that you don’t convert uh through any type of force or

[00:22:20] or compulsion now have there been people that supposedly in the name of Christianity have abused whatever

[00:22:27] position of author Authority they have yes but it’s clear they’re abusing Authority I had U One news commentator

[00:22:34] ask me and say aren’t these people who are you know advocating violence in the name of uh Islam distorting Islam and I

[00:22:41] said honestly I wish I could say that were true uh but Muhammad himself was very clear that if you can’t convert the

[00:22:48] Infidel you must kill the Infidel and the infidels are anybody who’s not a Muslim yeah including Christians and

[00:22:55] Jews now I guess there is an exception I understand it if Christians and Jews are considered Children of the book because

[00:23:01] he recognized Abraham as a father that um they can uh not kill them but they’ll

[00:23:06] subjugate them and make them pay a heavy tax it’s almost an extortion you could live among us but it’s only going to be

[00:23:12] to our benefit don’t practice your religion openly and pay the tax everybody else has to be killed now that

[00:23:17] is the basic tenant as well as living industrial law which is paron parcel so if a Muslim converts a Muslim will be

[00:23:24] killed in in over a dozen Muslim countries if if you’re gay you can be killed or at least yeah uh jailed it’s

[00:23:31] it’s a capital offense so a lot of things that uh Christians and uh even

[00:23:37] people who are non-christians who are liberals and secularists would find abhorent uh it’s a common practice Islam

[00:23:44] country so people need to be aware that there’s real distinctions not because as you say we we hate Muslims or dislike

[00:23:51] Muslims there’s lots of uh peaceful Muslims although surprisingly even among peaceful Muslims if you ask them if

[00:23:58] violence can ever be uh Justified uh to spread um Islam um a very high

[00:24:04] percentage will say yes sadly my guest today is Chuck lamandre and we’re talking about Islam in the public schools he’s an attorney here in San

[00:24:10] Diego fighting to keep Islam and uh promoting Islam out of the public

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[00:26:58] and and uh what we’re talking about today is Islam in the public schools I wanted to care is the one that in is is

[00:27:04] instigating this that’s the Council on American Islamic relation and a lot of people don’t know that they have ties to

[00:27:11] terrorism and so like Chuck was saying that it looks like the San Diego City schools are trying to distance

[00:27:17] themselves but Daniel pipes who is an expert on these issues says this he’s writing for the National Review he asked

[00:27:22] can a washington-based organization with ties to the Obama White House the US Congress leading media outlets and

[00:27:28] prestigious universities truly be an instigator of terrorism and then he says care can rightly be so characterized it

[00:27:34] doesn’t set off bombs but as the UAE that’s the United Arab Arab Emirates foreign Min Minister explains our

[00:27:41] threshold is quite low we cannot accept incitement or funding care incites funds

[00:27:47] and does much more Visa terrorism it apologizes for terrorist groups it was

[00:27:52] challenged to denounce Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups but it would not denounce uh them it it

[00:27:59] denounced the acts of violence but it would not denounce the organizations themselves it’s also connected to Hamas

[00:28:06] Hamas which is designated a terrorist organization by the US and many other governments indirectly created the

[00:28:11] Council on American Islamic relations and the two groups remained tight in 1994 care the the head of care publicly

[00:28:19] declared a support for Hamas uh and contributed $5,000 to care uh or Hamas

[00:28:27] contributed $5,000 to care care exploited the 911 attacks to raise money

[00:28:33] for um the HLF also a terrorist organization um it settled settled a

[00:28:41] lawsuit care initiated a liable lawsuit in 2004 over five statements made by a group called anti- care but two years

[00:28:47] later they settled because the statements were true uh they also have had multiple people that were arrested

[00:28:54] for terrorism or accused of terrorism seven board members or staff at care have been arrested denied entry to the

[00:29:00] US or were indicted on or pled guilty to terrorist charges so on and on you can

[00:29:06] go look at care in in the news and in their past and they’re absolutely tied

[00:29:11] to terrorism Federal prosecutors in 2007 named K as an unindicted

[00:29:18] co-conspirator um in a criminal conspiracy to support Hamas financially and in 2008 the FBI ended contacts with

[00:29:25] car because of concern about its continuing terrorist eyes what’s amazing to me Chuck is that they’re still based

[00:29:31] out of Washington they’re still having an influence in the schools and they’re still all over America and yet this is

[00:29:37] easily accessible news sure and the San Diego Unified School District gave them made some type of proclamation

[00:29:43] certificate that with big presentation thanking them for all of their service and helping design and implement this uh

[00:29:51] anti- uh Islamic bullying program or islamophobia uh program so they’re part

[00:29:57] and parcel of what’s going on in the San Diego Unified School District even though they have as I indicated this

[00:30:02] very checkered past and clear ties to the m Muslim uh Brotherhood and Hamas

[00:30:08] which are known to be uh terrorist organizations and again they make no secret about the fact that their goal is

[00:30:16] to spread the influence of Islam in the United States which of course again they’re entitled to do but not in the

[00:30:22] public school system where it’s a m mandatory form of Education you’ve got impression of students and that quote I

[00:30:29] gave before from the U National director of communications uh for care he said not

[00:30:35] only is our ultimate goal to make the United States an Islamic State but education is going to be our means to do

[00:30:42] it he said not violence education well okay this is uh their means to go about

[00:30:47] accomplishing that objective you cannot use a public school system for that purpose now can a proper balance be

[00:30:55] struck in terms of recognizing uh legitimate forms of religious

[00:31:00] expression in the public schools for people of all Faith yes and they should

[00:31:06] uh try to strike that balance I think that’s preferable than eradicating religion from the public school system

[00:31:12] entirely because it is part of our our culture and our history but let’s be

[00:31:18] realistic what is part of the culture and history of the United States and that is in fact uh it’s a

[00:31:23] judeo-christian nation at least from its founding absolutely more than half the uh founding fathers had the equivalent

[00:31:30] of Seminary degrees because all of those early Great American colleges like Harvard Yale Princeton were all Seminary

[00:31:37] colleges and so and the first public school in America from from my own research was actually started to teach

[00:31:42] kids to read the Bible and Congress funded uh the printing of Bibles and they also Congress funded having

[00:31:49] missionaries go out to the uh Indians and Native Americans so there was never

[00:31:54] this distinction of Separation in church and state in the minds of the found fathers that we have now but if you’re

[00:31:59] going to apply it uh however wrongly and and out of the uh contemplation of the

[00:32:05] founding fathers you need to do it uniformly and what we see Happening Here is there’s clearly a preference for

[00:32:12] Muslim Students and they’re saying this is a holistic and fully integrated approach so it’s going to be not just

[00:32:17] the curriculum but it’s going to be uh extracurricular uh type of activities as as well and extracurricular in what like

[00:32:24] visiting a mosque or something like that or what are you talking about uh that certainly said the Muslim prayer rooms

[00:32:30] the Muslim U safe spaces uh the Muslim and are they going teaching about Islam

[00:32:36] like during a social studies class or what is this something that’s like an elective is it completely separate um

[00:32:42] that remains to be seen how they’re going to uh fold uh that out but uh I

[00:32:48] will tell you they they’ve had uh speakers come into social studies type classes from care okay and and talk

[00:32:55] about Islam and give out the materials with the information information in that I mentioned which is decidedly you know

[00:33:02] anti-American by most people’s way of looking at it by saying we’re basically you know largely to blame for what the

[00:33:08] terrorists are doing yeah because we’re inciting that violence because of our our political policies and our n our

[00:33:14] leaders inability to uh consider uh the needs of uh of Muslim suffering around

[00:33:20] the world that’s what they’re saying they’re not uh telling people that there’s something like a 100,000

[00:33:27] Christians a year being martyred for their faith you know over a million in the last 10 years more since the time of

[00:33:33] Christ we’ve never had a greater amount of persecution and most of it is in the Middle East and Africa and and uh in

[00:33:40] Asia and much of it is by Muslims who are not just uh killing Christians but

[00:33:47] slaughtering them uh in the most brutal ways imaginable crucifying children I me

[00:33:53] burning people alive in cages and things of that nature well we’re coming up on a break here so uh my guest today is Chuck

[00:33:59] lamandre um please stay stay uh aware of what he’s doing here with the public

[00:34:05] schools and trying to keep Islam out of the schools uh at least taught the way it’s being taught uh and propagated um

[00:34:10] his website is fcdf legal.org that stands for freedom

[00:34:16] of conscience defense fund we’re going to be right back stay with

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[00:36:36] life I’m your host Kevin Conover and I hope you’ve been enjoying the show today um it’s it’s a great show but it’s bad

[00:36:43] news uh so so uh bad and good news because we’re fighting back and we’re

[00:36:48] we’re making progress that’s right so um you know praise God for people like you Chuck and and what you what you’ve been

[00:36:55] doing it’s amazing but um so Chuck is on the radio with me Chuck lamandre and he is an attorney here in

[00:37:02] San Diego he has litigated uh many many many Religious Freedom cases and done it pro bono which is incredible um you know

[00:37:09] personal question Chuck when did you first start deciding that these you know uh being able to live by your conscious

[00:37:15] and these religious freedom issues when did that start you becoming aware of these issues and when did you start getting involved and litigating these

[00:37:23] well you know I’m a native San dieo I I love this city this this community I went to lot law school back east and

[00:37:28] after practicing in La for a while for big firm and then in San Diego uh for about 20 years I wanted to give back to

[00:37:35] this community and I heard the mount solad cross was going to be taken down the city was going to throw in the towel

[00:37:40] and I felt no we we have to fight on there must be a way to do this and so I kind of got involved not realizing what

[00:37:47] I was getting into honest with you so I started 20 years or something well the case went on for 27 years but I uh got

[00:37:54] involved when the city was going to have the cross remov moved which was 2004 I was in my late 40s the case finished

[00:38:02] successfully uh late last year and I’m in my early 60s so it it was a big chunk of my life now there was no nonprofit

[00:38:08] freedom of conscious defense fund so I was donating my time and paying other attorneys so really it was about a $2

[00:38:14] million uh commitment for me over 12 years in terms of total time and uh and

[00:38:20] money spent but uh it was it was a major sacrifice for me and my family but it was one that we felt was uh welld

[00:38:27] deserved and we’re glad we did it because now that cross is is there as part of that Memorial to honor veterans

[00:38:34] and the sacrifices that they made and for our entire Community to enjoy for time in Memorial so that kind of got me

[00:38:41] started but because I realized there was a need for someone particularly locally to be doing this kind of work and I

[00:38:48] couldn’t continue doing it on the basis of financing the whole thing myself we started the freedom of conscience

[00:38:53] defense Fund in 2012 and uh and now we have several

[00:38:58] attorneys working with me and I work with other Christian groups like The Alliance defending Freedom which is

[00:39:04] based in in Phoenix and they support our work yeah I just had one uh Jim Campbell

[00:39:09] and um Blaine Adamson on they they do wonderful work and they’ve been uh big

[00:39:15] supporters and we’ve worked with other uh religious uh Liberty groups life legal defense fund is working with us on

[00:39:22] this David delen case in uh San Francisco we’re working with Liberty Council we work with the Thomas Law

[00:39:27] Center on the priest for Life case so um we’re trying to pull all of our resources just like the other side does

[00:39:33] none of us are as big or have the resources anywhere near like the ACLU or the Southern Property Law Center which

[00:39:39] has literally tens of millions of dollars in in reserves but uh we do what we can with what we have and we’ve had

[00:39:46] some good success obviously Mount so cross was a big deal for the local community and the firefighters case has

[00:39:53] an impact throughout the state because and that’s where they were trying to coer Firefighters to participate in the

[00:39:58] Gay Pride PR yeah we had four Christian firefighters that were promised if they showed up for work that day they would not have to participate and even though

[00:40:04] they worked to the Hill Crest station and had no problem serving the gay community in terms of firefighting

[00:40:10] services or medical emergencies and going into the gay bars and bath houses they’ do whatever they needed to the Gay

[00:40:16] Pride Parade as you know is a political event and they didn’t want to participate in a certain type of political expression when they’re

[00:40:22] basically on the job in uniform but told they couldn’t perform any of their functions they can’t engage in any emergency services or firefighting they

[00:40:29] just had to be there kind of as spokespeople for the fire department supporting a cause and a messages they

[00:40:35] may not necessarily agree with why father your organization is freedom of conscience defense fund exactly yeah and

[00:40:42] we were successful in that the basically the law in California now is you can’t coer public employees on the job in

[00:40:48] uniform to participate in political events so that includes saying you have to go in uniform to the Republican

[00:40:53] convention or Democratic Convention or any other political event it’s not a appropriate for uh public uh employees

[00:41:00] paid with government funds on the job in a uniform to be sending a message they may not agree with be there as police or

[00:41:06] firemen to provide emergency services and or security absolutely but that’s

[00:41:12] not what these guys they’re told they couldn’t do that they had to be in the truck and and we’re in America we’re we’re in America where we’re supposed to

[00:41:17] be able to live according to our conscience absolutely so that’s why we formed this this organization and um

[00:41:23] this new case involving the San Diego Unified School District uh is an expression of that uh nobody should be

[00:41:31] forced to uh you know accept a particular Creed or have a particular belief system in the public school

[00:41:37] system when you have uh kids uh because these kids are taking this in and they’re thinking to themselves hey this

[00:41:43] is what’s true right right and a lot of their parents don’t necessarily you know most of the parents don’t share that uh

[00:41:49] belief system and they don’t want their kids being indoctrinated uh into a belief system that may be directly

[00:41:54] contrary to the values that they hold and and they espouse part of Islam as as

[00:42:00] you know is women quite frankly are second class citizens yeah in Saudi Arabia women are not allowed to drive no

[00:42:06] and and they’re in in in court their testimony is counted half the weight of a man uh these Concept in the United

[00:42:13] States are are considered to be highly discriminatory uh against women you know we’re all considered equal and that’s

[00:42:20] the view of Christianity Christianity elevated woman uh more than any other uh political or religious belief Paul

[00:42:27] actually says there is no male or female we don’t we don’t discriminate based on sex or race or anything else absolutely

[00:42:34] and you know in Christianity Mary is recognized as the mother of God and hel in a place of high the first people to

[00:42:41] see the Risen Christ were two women exactly that’s exactly correct so all of

[00:42:46] that uh makes Christianity somewhat unique and and perfectly well fit and IND disposed towards a democratic system

[00:42:54] of government which is why our founding fathers you embraced it and from Washington who was very religious to

[00:43:00] Jefferson who is maybe not quite so religious or Franklin not quite so religious they all recognize the fact

[00:43:06] that religion and morality were essential and John Adams who is very religious said that specifically without

[00:43:12] Christianity our government’s not going to stand and Wasing without religion and morality our government’s not going to stand and these guys specifically

[00:43:18] referring to Christian religion they weren’t referring to Islam absolutely or Hinduism or Buddhism or anything like

[00:43:24] that no and again uh Jeff is in some respects the the least uh religious made

[00:43:31] it up a point to go to Sunday services and they had them at the time at the US capital because it was the largest

[00:43:37] building so he would walk from the White House to the capital and attend church services in standing room only now we

[00:43:45] have a concept of of separation of church and state but that was inimical to the thinking of the founders who

[00:43:51] believe that our faith was absolutely an indispensable part of the new form of

[00:43:57] government because it was dependent upon self-rule by a people and if they were not virtuous they were not going to rule

[00:44:04] that’s right it’s Anarchy exact okay so my guest is Chuck lamandre and Chuck when we come back for our last segment I

[00:44:10] want to ask you if it’s true that our country is founded on religion and religion is indispensable to this um

[00:44:16] what would you say to somebody who said well let’s have Islam and Christianity both be taught in the public schools so when we get back um we’ll have Chuck

[00:44:23] answer that question and um so stay with us we’re going to be right back [Music]

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[00:46:42] on okay thanks for tuning in to educate for life really appreciate you being here for today’s show I hope you’re

[00:46:48] having a great Saturday my guest today is Chuck lamandre and he is with the uh freedom of conscience defense fund and

[00:46:55] uh he is currently litigating uh on behalf of parents who are concerned about Islam being in the San

[00:47:01] Diego City Public Schools and that’s what we’ve been talking about this whole time now Chuck I wanted to ask you so we’ve been talking about how our country

[00:47:08] uh was founded on Christianity religious principles and the founding fathers considered those in indispensable in

[00:47:14] order to have a good uh country right so what do you say to the person who says well if that’s the case why not teach

[00:47:21] Islam and Christianity in the public schools and then they can they can teach what they want and the and the Christians can teach what they want and

[00:47:27] you’re good to go well if you’re going to be bringing in uh imans or people

[00:47:32] from organizations like here to talk about Islam then you should be bringing in uh ministers pastors priests or

[00:47:39] rabbis whatever so that could get a little unwieldy depending upon how many faith-based groups you want to get

[00:47:45] represented but if they’re going to be uh in any way fairly reflective of the uh population you’re you’re talking

[00:47:51] about uh Christians by far in way are the largest group represented in the population in in the school so I I think

[00:47:58] the way you you present these materials should reflect that and I think as long as it’s done in a fair and balanced way

[00:48:04] that takes in consideration the well-known and and irrefutable facts that it’s Christianity that helped

[00:48:11] establish our Western Civilization is Christianity it started the hospital system in Europe and the university

[00:48:18] system in Europe Oxford Cambridge sbone they were all uh started by people of of

[00:48:23] of the Christian faith certainly not the uh is Islam faith and it was those principles that were embraced by our

[00:48:29] founding fathers so when they’re writing the Declaration of Independence which we celebrated yesterday on the 4th of July

[00:48:34] when they talked about God of Nature and and Nature’s God that was coming from a

[00:48:40] decidedly Christian Perspective and while they’re doing all that the Boston Tea Party and all that’s going on here

[00:48:46] on in the other side of the country in California particularly San Diego where the mission system started with Mission

[00:48:52] San Diego de oala again that’s a Christian emphasis and those missions became the Hub

[00:48:57] of which all the major cities in California uh were built by people who again were devoutly Christian so that’s

[00:49:03] our heritage and that that needs to be uh taught and people need to understand

[00:49:08] that that’s the basis for our American system of government now the Islamic system of of of government based on

[00:49:14] Sharia law is diametrically opposed to our constitutional form of government so

[00:49:20] if you’re going to teach that students need to know that and if they’re going to be asking students to embrace certain

[00:49:26] certain ideas that are contrary to constitutional form of government they need to lay it out pretty clearly so

[00:49:33] that students can make in informed Choice under which system they want to live under one that’s going to recognize

[00:49:39] all people as as free and equal as we do under our United States Constitution or

[00:49:45] system of government under Sharia law where not everybody is free and equal if you’re not uh Muslim or if you’re not a

[00:49:51] man uh you’re not going to be accorded the same rights as everybody else so

[00:49:56] they need to present that in a fair and balanced way and if they’re not doing it they’re not doing their job as Educators

[00:50:02] so uh that’s our take on that okay so that’s very interesting so you would actually be okay with them um putting

[00:50:09] Christianity into or at least teaching something about these belief systems and so forth the Christian belief systems um

[00:50:16] as or teaching Islam even I if they had a Counterpoint to that to that teaching

[00:50:22] is what you’re saying that’s right and it doesn’t have to be done in a hostile way but people need to know that Muhammad was a military leader yeah and

[00:50:29] that Islam was spread through military conquest yeah one of the big battles in

[00:50:35] in early Islamic history uh he actually beheads 700 uh Jewish men who had who

[00:50:41] had surrendered and a lot of people just are not aware of that history no that that is correct and that’s why there’s

[00:50:48] beheadings today in Islamic countries because that’s foundational to the Corin that’s how you treat uh infidels you Lop

[00:50:55] off their hits that’s what you’re taught so so Chuck um is that even feasible I

[00:51:01] mean is that something we should just go you know what it’s easier just to take the just to not have Islam being taught

[00:51:07] in the schools at all um I mean where do you stand on that realistically realistically people need to understand

[00:51:14] uh in an educational you know system that’s again uh not biased or slanted toward One Faith about how religion is

[00:51:22] is being used by various groups we have a constant uh stream of ter acts uh in

[00:51:28] in Europe and and to a lesser extent in the United States and if it’s motivated by religious adherence I think students

[00:51:35] need to be aware of that because the mainstream media is not telling people that right and every time that there is

[00:51:41] a terrorist attack they they downplay whether it’s uh religiously motivated or

[00:51:47] not yeah so if you’re going to have a fair and balanced educational system uh people need to understand so they can

[00:51:52] make proper choices not because we want to act in a mean Spirit or a bigoted passion towards our Muslim brothers and

[00:51:58] sisters who are peacefully living and working here in the United States in our communities and and to the extent that

[00:52:04] they want a peacefully coexist we need to support that but we also need to recognize that there are a lot of

[00:52:10] adherence to the Muslim faith who take the Quran more literally uh which does justify in fact require them to uh act

[00:52:18] in certain way so essentially what you’re saying here is that not all World Views and not all religious views are quote equal and ultimately we have to

[00:52:25] look I mean what they’re equal under the law in the sense that you can believe them but different ideas have different

[00:52:31] consequences absolutely and quite frankly you know some ideas in different times of our history people felt you

[00:52:37] know communism was more of a threat maybe uh in the 50s uh than it is now you can’t put your head in the sand and

[00:52:44] ignore those realities yeah or pretend that somehow hey we’ve got to be we’ve got to accept all ideas yeah accept all

[00:52:52] ideas of of uh of equal value uh when they’re not particularly if they’re inconsistent with our our own

[00:52:58] constitutional form of government and quite frankly shria law is and communism is and students need to be aware of that

[00:53:04] and they need to know why and if they want to choose to try to Advocate to make the United States a communist

[00:53:10] Nation or an Islamic Nation uh so be yet they’re entitled to do that once they graduate but um the school system is not

[00:53:17] the place to be indoctrinating students into beliefs and values that are

[00:53:23] inconsistent with our American form of government and the wishes of their appearance yeah Chuck thank you so much for being on the show today really

[00:53:29] appreciate pleasure thank you for thank you for everything you’re doing if you want to stay up to date on what uh Chuck

[00:53:35] lamandre is doing fcdf legal.org freedom of conscience defense fund I I highly

[00:53:42] recommend you to get involved and be concerned about this kind of stuff it’s happening all the time just a week ago

[00:53:48] uh we had um Ashley beaver and um her attorney on on the uh air talking about

[00:53:55] what’s happening with sex education in the Public School San dieo City school so we got all kinds of stuff happening there so uh please be involved the more

[00:54:01] involved you are uh the bigger difference we can make in U making sure that these kids are safe and ultimately

[00:54:09] that um uh God is honored in the way we live and um and uh Jesus Christ is

[00:54:15] glorified and uh we we want people to be blessed so thank you for being on the show today I hope you have a wonderful

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