The Formation of the Grand Canyon with Russ Miller

[00:00:00] well thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover and I’m your host on educate for Life radio down here

[00:00:05] in Southern California we’re broadcasting on kprz 12 10 a.m uh the largest Christian radio

[00:00:12] station down here in Southern California and we’re also on FM 106.1 in North

[00:00:17] County and then of course we’re all over uh social media so you can check us out on

[00:00:22] podcast and YouTube and everywhere else and um I’m really excited this evening you know we’ve been having a bunch of uh

[00:00:29] different creation experts on the radio program recently not too long ago we had Brian Thomas on he is a

[00:00:36] a writer for a science writer for icr and um we had a great conversation about

[00:00:42] a lot of different things related to dinosaurs he’s done a a lot of different research very interesting stuff and uh

[00:00:50] in our upcoming shows we have some guests too Dr Dan Biddle is going to be on the show as well as Tom Meyer and so

[00:00:56] some great shows that we’re going to be having soon my guest this evening is uh Russ Miller and a little bit about him

[00:01:03] he’s written five creation-oriented books including his most recent book cost and uh his ministry is

[00:01:10] creationministries.org and we’ll learn a little bit more about him as we go along the program this evening but he’s LED

[00:01:16] dozens of Grand Canyon creation-based River Rafting trips and um he’s

[00:01:21] presented to thousands of churches and he’s also

[00:01:27] um been on national TV he’s uh spoken on college campuses at national conferences

[00:01:33] and um he used to be a theistic evolutionist which is uh the idea that

[00:01:39] God um used Evolution to create everything and yet today

[00:01:44] um he believes in a Six-Day creation and uh Russ thanks a lot for being on the program today

[00:01:49] well thanks Kevin great to be with you tonight yeah absolutely and um you know

[00:01:54] I I’ve been told that you you live in a in a crater in Arizona is that true

[00:02:01] it’s true I live in an extinct volcanic crater in northern Arizona

[00:02:06] and it’s about a little mile and a quarter in diameter and we live down in

[00:02:13] the bottom of it it’s very interesting place to live yeah that sounds that sounds kind of

[00:02:20] exciting because most of the time we’re about 6 800 foot elevation and we get snow in

[00:02:27] the winter uh just happens that this is the most snow we’ve gotten in a winter

[00:02:32] since we’ve been here we’ve gotten five feet in the last three weeks and um that’s causing me a few problems

[00:02:39] I had to Snowshoe out last weekend to head to California to speak at a church in California last weekend up in Santa

[00:02:46] Clarita uh Freedom’s Way Baptist and this week I I’m speaking at a Calvary Chapel uh in

[00:02:54] Arizona so I’m probably about to Snowshoe out again and catch a ride to get over there but hopefully it’ll melt

[00:02:59] down in the next week it’s so deep right now you can’t drive out on it wow now I’m just curious is are there other

[00:03:06] homes in I’m like I’m picturing like your home just in the bottom of crater by itself is are there other homes down

[00:03:13] there too or is it just you there are about 40 other cabins down here and it’s a great place to be uh we

[00:03:21] have here an elk and black bears and mountain lions and about everything in

[00:03:28] between and we see uh quite often uh usually every morning out front there’s some deer elk out there yeah it’s a nice

[00:03:35] place to be that’s fantastic well hey um you know I want to hear you know what caused you to change your mind uh you

[00:03:42] were you were a theistic evolutionist and you became um you know a Six-Day creationist and

[00:03:48] why you switched your Viewpoint and I’m also really interested to hear

[00:03:53] um you know you probably more than most people have given a lot of Tours through

[00:03:58] the Grand Canyon specifically as evidence for the flood I’m very curious

[00:04:04] uh to hear also about that but why don’t we start with you know what caused you to change your mind from being a

[00:04:09] theistic evolutionist to a Six-Day creationist sure I was raised in a Christian home

[00:04:15] and unlike 80 to 90 percent of Christian raised kids I did not leave my faith but

[00:04:22] I played college sports and I wandered away uh let’s say I made a a big loop

[00:04:27] but after I got through with sports and all I I started going back

[00:04:32] [Music] um to my roots but at that time with 174 college

[00:04:38] credits under my belt I was what you would call with the ethic evolutionist now that’s a that’s a Christian who

[00:04:45] believes God must have used evolution in millions of years of time to get us here because that’s all you’re taught in

[00:04:51] public schools and colleges so I had in my mind decided Well God must have used

[00:04:57] millions of years in evolution now um I wasn’t a die hard I wasn’t going

[00:05:03] out selling other people on that just in my mind I had more or less

[00:05:09] saw how things must have worked that way with regard to the secular education that I had uh eventually though I

[00:05:17] started coming across information from creationists started reading some books

[00:05:23] watching some videos uh Etc and it really didn’t take long especially when

[00:05:28] I started to see some of the frauds they used to get us to Believe In darwinian Style macroevolution didn’t take me long

[00:05:37] to realize hey I’ve been lied to and I started really studying it intently for about four

[00:05:43] years now at that point in time I had developed my own Nationwide business and

[00:05:49] I had five offices around the country and I was actually plan on retiring at

[00:05:55] the age of 49. and goofing off and just you know basically do the important

[00:06:00] things in life playing golf working out hunting buffalo in Zimbabwe you know the important things yeah and but at the age

[00:06:08] of 40 I came across its information by that time I become a trustee in my church

[00:06:14] I studied it very intently for four years and it was it was just life-changing to

[00:06:21] me and I started to talk to other Christians about the issues and found out that there is just

[00:06:27] tremendous confusion inside of the Christian ranks and inside the Christian

[00:06:33] church about our Origins about creation versus Evolution major Earth issues and when I

[00:06:42] when I finally discovered that the old Earth beliefs all put Death Before Adam that’s when it really came together with

[00:06:49] me to how important it really was and I gave my business away to a guide work for me for 13 years told him I’m going

[00:06:56] cold turkey into the ministry and that’s what we did back uh in 2000 and we’ve been speaking in

[00:07:04] churches and conferences and leading Grand Canyon tours pretty much since I think I started my first Grand Canyon

[00:07:11] tour was with a Christian radio station back in 2003 and over the years we were up until

[00:07:18] the pandemic there um we were taking about a thousand people a year on on Forest Grand Canyon

[00:07:26] all from a Biblical perspective now I generally take big groups and uh like 50

[00:07:31] people we use a bus for transportation there’s uh different spots we stop on

[00:07:36] the rim where I can point out uh various issues uh but there’s just a lot of things uh at the canyon and in that area

[00:07:44] that really are only explicable through a world that has endured a global flood

[00:07:50] and if you understand the implications of the global flood it wipes out every older belief I can explain that if you’d

[00:07:59] like me yeah yeah actually I’m I’m curious about that when when you say it wipes out all the Alternatives uh break

[00:08:06] that down for us yes I I call this um I call this these the five pillars of

[00:08:13] older police the number the number one pillar is the belief there was never a global flood

[00:08:19] that has to be there they cannot allow for a global flood it destroys older

[00:08:25] beliefs that’s the first pillar the second pillar of older’s beliefs is the

[00:08:30] geologic column or time scale now that was invented about 200 years ago and

[00:08:37] they made a drawing of 12 primary layers strata I gave a name and age and

[00:08:43] index fossils to each layer based on the belief that the layers form slowly at

[00:08:50] the same rate we see today which is I don’t know where you are in the world about an inch every thousand years but

[00:08:57] they look at the thickness of the layers they can be several miles thick and they said an inch a year it took hundreds of

[00:09:02] millions of years to form those layers well before I would explain how the layers form quickly wiping out that

[00:09:09] belief now what’s interesting about that Kevin isn’t in second Peter 3 3-6 in the

[00:09:15] New Testament we’re told that non-believers have come along in the last days and they’re questioning

[00:09:20] where’s the promise of Jesus’s return and and they’re going to claim that all

[00:09:25] processes remain the same since the beginning of the creation that uniform processes and they’ll be willingly

[00:09:32] ignorant uh of the world that the world that was being overflowed with water Parish the

[00:09:38] Bible foretold in the last days non-believers are playing uniform processes and deny the global flight

[00:09:44] secular geology for the last 150 years is based on two principles uniform

[00:09:50] processes and no Global play just like every God said so the second pillar

[00:09:56] again is the geologic column based on the belief there is never a global flood the third of

[00:10:02] older Foundation or the radiometric dating techniques but they need to get a date

[00:10:09] that coincides with the geologic column or time scale that is based on the

[00:10:14] belief there is never a global flood in order to get published so it still comes back to that Global flood and the other

[00:10:20] two pillars are dinosaurs and what layer they’re found in based on the column the

[00:10:26] geologic column based on the belief it was never a global what and finally

[00:10:31] Grand Canyon based on the belief that forums slowly over long ages of time not quickly as a result of

[00:10:38] the globe of what it always comes back to the global what the global flood explains the crust of the earth it

[00:10:44] explains the the stratified layers we find separated by grain size weight and

[00:10:50] density you know ask yourself this if those layers form slowly over long ages

[00:10:55] why are they stratified it should just be one big brown conglomerate you ever see a miner with a

[00:11:02] pan he shoots up some sediments and watery squashes it back and forth well the moving water separates sediments in

[00:11:09] his hand by grain size weight and density gold being the densest falls to the bottom of the pan well on a global

[00:11:16] scale The Fountains the Deep had erupted the windows of Heaven had rained down and for 150 days the flood waters Rose

[00:11:23] and they were eroding the top mile to two miles of the Earth’s original cry now as a sediments are rolling around

[00:11:31] those Waters the waters are separating those sediments by grain size weight and density so over the second 150 day

[00:11:38] period of the global flood as the Water started to abate they started laying

[00:11:43] those sediments down but now those sediments are separated by grain size weight density so they lay down all

[00:11:49] Shale all mudstone all Sandstone all Limestone the reason that they’re

[00:11:55] they’re separated by grain size weight and density as they were laid down in moving water during the global flood and

[00:12:02] the global flood it wipes out the the old Earth beliefs that’s fantastic I love that

[00:12:10] um you know it’s really interesting to me because a lot of people teach from a classroom and everything but you’re

[00:12:15] actually teaching literally from the Grand Canyon when you’re doing a river rafting trip and these sorts of things and uh you know my my producer he’s he’s

[00:12:22] been on the trip with you um are you still doing those trips is that something you’ve started up again are you going to keep doing those trips

[00:12:29] you know what we do now is we do one day Rim tours on the south rim and we do a

[00:12:36] three-day rim and raft grips and what we do there is we uh take people in the south rim I

[00:12:43] can show people so much on the south rim and the second day we do a four-hour

[00:12:48] raft trip um and the reason we do these particular trips is on day one

[00:12:57] at the south rim I I can talk about the formation of the canyon I can show all

[00:13:02] sorts of great fruits of its rapid formation the straight up and down came in walls indicative of fast formation

[00:13:09] the lack of rock debris in the bottom indicative of fairly recent formation but some of the neat things I can show

[00:13:16] at the south rim is I can show folks where the original creation rock is and

[00:13:21] I can show folks where the first the flood layers come and lay right on top of the creation Rock and I can even show

[00:13:28] you where you can go in the canyon and put your thumb on creation Rock and your fingers on the first of the blood layers

[00:13:34] literally where inspiration and judgment met physically in our so it there’s some

[00:13:41] powerful things we can show at the south rim and anyone that’s gone there has seen me sing but no one’s pointed it out

[00:13:47] when I pointed out to people it’s like the light bulb goes on it’s like wow why didn’t I why didn’t I realize that

[00:13:54] myself oh I’ll give everybody a hint that the the flood layers are stratified

[00:14:01] layers uh separated by grain size weight and density and the what we consider the

[00:14:06] creation Rock had been covered in the original creation but it was eroded eroded and where the erosion stop you

[00:14:13] still have the creation right now I started laying down the stratified layers in the bottom of the canyon what

[00:14:18] we call the creation Rock the shifts and granite they’re they’re not stratified because they weren’t laid down by the

[00:14:24] flood oh wow that’s very interesting so you know what is a uh when you you know

[00:14:30] present this to somebody that’s a secularist whatever um you know I I’ve heard that they give tours on the Grand Canyon you know uh

[00:14:37] maybe uh Park guides or something I’m not sure um and they’ll often say hey this was

[00:14:43] carved by the Colorado River or whatever the case um you know and you’re presenting this

[00:14:49] view that hey no this this is stratified this is not this is original Rock

[00:14:54] um have you ever had a discussion with one of those tour guides or a ranger and and and uh said hey you know here’s

[00:15:00] what’s really going on you know occasionally but I if they’re talking to a group I’m not there to

[00:15:06] embarrass them they’re just repeating what they were told yeah if they’re a geologist they’re just repeating what

[00:15:12] was in the secular textbook most of them haven’t actually studied the issue you know one thing that most folks don’t

[00:15:18] understand is the Grand Canyon is is a mile deep on average but it doesn’t cut

[00:15:25] into the plane of the Colorado Plateau no the area was uplift it is called the

[00:15:31] Kaibab Plateau or the Kaibab upward Grand Canyon cuts through the upward so

[00:15:37] when you’re standing on the rim of the canyon looking down you’re on top of the upwork and the chasm is cut through that

[00:15:43] upward so there’s there’s I want to talk to you let’s switch over

[00:15:49] to the grand staircase what this has to do with the canyon and its formation

[00:15:55] another thing that that very few people ever get to hear is that there towards a

[00:16:01] mile from the rim of the river of the canyon excuse me to have that Limestone down to the Colorado River a mile most

[00:16:07] people if they haven’t been to Grand Canyon they’ve seen pictures of us see if you can imagine a picture of the canyon in your mind but it’s a a mile on

[00:16:15] average from the rim down to the river now what they won’t tell you at the Grand Canyon because there’s no way to

[00:16:22] really explain this viably except by a global flood and if I haven’t mentioned

[00:16:27] already a global flood wipes out every old Earth believed that mile of rock

[00:16:33] layers 10 primary layers make up the wall of Canyon that mile isn’t anything

[00:16:39] there used to be two miles of rock layers above today’s rim that have been removed

[00:16:47] from Southern Utah South to the Sea leaving really no evidence of where they

[00:16:54] went think about this Kevin Grand Canyon itself is

[00:16:59] 277 miles long up to 18 miles wide and averages of mild B now it’s a big hole

[00:17:07] in the ground it’s missing about 900 cubic miles of sediments 900 cubic miles

[00:17:14] of sediments that’s a big hole in the ground right yeah the grand staircase is not missing 900 cubic miles of sediments

[00:17:22] it’s missing an estimated 130 000 cubic miles of sediments Grand

[00:17:29] Canyon’s not even not even one percent of what’s missing from the staircase so

[00:17:36] the staircase is a huge erosional event it left behind the staircase consists of

[00:17:42] if you go north from Grand Canyon about 65 miles north of Grand Canyon you come

[00:17:49] to the 2000 foot tall ver million Cliffs I’m only going to discuss the main steps

[00:17:54] of the staircase so you go 65 miles north of the south rim and you come to

[00:18:00] the 2000 foot tall per million Cliffs now from the south rim I can point this out and if you climb up on top of those

[00:18:08] 2500 Book Cliffs and win another 40 miles north you’d come to the 2500 foot

[00:18:14] tall white and gray cliffs design cuts through now if you climbed up on top of

[00:18:21] those 2500 foot steps and when another 45 miles north you come to the 2500 foot

[00:18:27] tall pink list for refined brights that is known as the grand staircase price

[00:18:33] dropped South Zion dropped South Vermillion Cliffs dropped South now if

[00:18:39] it drops far enough South though about uh 80 or so miles south of Grand Canyon

[00:18:45] you come to the Mogan Rim in northern Arizona it’s another 2 000 foot cut that

[00:18:50] runs east and west across Northern Arizona it’s not officially part of the grand staircase but it’s the same

[00:18:56] erosional event that removed those layers that have been going south and cut cut them down 2500 feet at Bryce

[00:19:04] 2500 feet at Zion drop cut the Vermillion Cliffs drop at the Mogan Rim

[00:19:10] so this is a massive uh removal of

[00:19:15] sediment leaving Behind These massive cliffs in this region that’s the grand staircase

[00:19:21] once a year I do a seven day grand staircase tour where we go there’s one in May of this year that still has some

[00:19:28] openings by the way through purpose-driven Tours out of Jackson Mississippi if anyone wants to contact

[00:19:34] them and join it’s an awesome Christian trip but we uh we do the south rim the

[00:19:40] first day we go and do the river raft trip we go up and stay in cabins on the

[00:19:46] North Rim the north rim of Grand Canyon by the way spectacular spectacular and

[00:19:51] uh really I wouldn’t go the south rim if I go to North Rim all the time but it’s a little harder to get to uh then we

[00:19:58] spent a couple of nights in Zion and a day in Bryce and that’s our grand

[00:20:04] staircase tour it’s a really spectacular Christian tour I’ve had a lot of people tell me it’s the best Christian tour

[00:20:11] they’ve been on outside of Israel so wow it’s it’s a neat for and it’s all about

[00:20:17] showing people the truth of God’s word in the world that we live in so also at

[00:20:22] the south rim God left two 900 foot remnants of those missing two miles of

[00:20:30] rock layers and he left him he left one at the South entrance just below Tucson

[00:20:36] and he left another Remnant at the Eastern entrance over by desert Viewpoint these are two 900 foot tall

[00:20:44] butes now they’re made up of the 600 foot Moon Poppy and the 300 foot chin

[00:20:49] Lee layer that are on top of the Kaibab Limestone that makes up the rim of the canyon so these layers are on top of the

[00:20:56] of the rib and other than those Buttes they’ve been pretty much removed until

[00:21:01] you go 65 miles north and you you start picking them up there’s a few little

[00:21:06] remnants here and there as well but yeah these two Buttes so I do it on the rim talk with one of The Buttes right behind

[00:21:13] us and I’ll ask people do you see the proof of God’s word in front of you and everyone’s looking at the canyon going

[00:21:19] well in Florida you know and I go no no you’re looking the wrong way turn around look behind you and then I explained the

[00:21:26] view to him which is above where they’re standing and how it’s been removed and we can point 65 miles north you can see

[00:21:33] the Vermillion Cliffs from there that’s the first of the major uh major steps of the staircase so uh this is very

[00:21:40] interesting so just to break it down just so our listeners understand and make to make sure I understand what

[00:21:47] you’re saying basically what you’re saying is is that the the uh top of the

[00:21:52] Cliffs of the of the Grand Canyon actually used to be much higher than even that is what you’re saying and Not

[00:21:59] only was everything inside the Grand Canyon ripped out but it was everything on top of the Grand Canyon as well is

[00:22:05] that what you’re saying close but uh yeah let me let me clarify that a little better

[00:22:11] this was before the Canyon was formed so you had let’s say at least three miles of layers and the two miles of layers

[00:22:19] got removed okay at this point in time is when I believe the mountains arose

[00:22:24] and the valley sank down so the rock the two miles were removed leaving behind

[00:22:29] the staircase and at that time the Rocky Mountains arose north of the canyon up through

[00:22:35] Colorado and heading north to Wasatch mountains in Northern Utah and the

[00:22:41] Sierra Madres in California all three of those in a north-south trending Direction

[00:22:46] is almost like like the the continent was sliding and stopped and they buckled but the two miles had been removed the

[00:22:54] mountains arose that diverted the very last of the flood waters South where they denuded the the southern Utah

[00:23:02] northern Arizona region leading behind heating theories on how the Canyon formed quickly

[00:23:08] from that point on and I like all three of the theories I don’t I’m not trying

[00:23:13] to sell any particular one there’s a lot of research going on to see which one seems to make the most sense all three

[00:23:20] of them are quite viable though and that is the upwork form one one possible theory is it acted as a

[00:23:28] huge Earth and Dam caught Lake flood water from the flood and could have been several hundred years of runoff from the

[00:23:36] Colorado Plateau forming the lake it would have held about three times more water than Lake Michigan holes and

[00:23:42] eventually it reached that Earth and Dam and the water once you breached a dam

[00:23:48] the water Cascades through with Mudder with mud and sediment flow it would have been like a giant belt sander and cut

[00:23:55] Grand Canyon quickly that’s that’s the breech Jam Theory some people love it some people don’t but there’s there’s is

[00:24:01] that uh is that Walt Brown’s Theory uh I think uh I’m not sure that Walt had

[00:24:09] the brief stand Theory or not he had the hydroplate theory but he said the Grand Lake Grand Lake existed uh up above

[00:24:17] the canyon and that would have been part of the breach Camp Theory then okay so

[00:24:22] where did where did all that dirt go where did all the dirt that you’re talking about that two miles of dirt

[00:24:27] plus the canyon where did all that end up well the 130 000 cubic miles from the

[00:24:34] staircase so I don’t know if anyone really put a finger on it some people say well maybe some of the midwestern uh

[00:24:40] farmlands maybe it’s down in the Gulf or down in the uh Sea of Cortez but it was

[00:24:45] it was pretty much um dispersed globally at that time now the 900 cubic miles missing from Grand

[00:24:52] Canyon um geologists tell me that they think some of it is outside of San Diego

[00:24:58] County some of it’s outside of the Phoenix area the interesting thing though it’s not along the Colorado River

[00:25:04] or down in the sea of Cortez uh so it’s not where it would be if the river had

[00:25:09] anything to do with formation so the two miles were removed the airport form the

[00:25:15] Canyon formed at a latter time another theory is it was late flood waters that they started to dissipate they started

[00:25:21] to channel and Marble Canyon uh channels in from the north whereas the little Colorado

[00:25:30] right at the bay and the other the channeling theory is and they channeled right through the

[00:25:36] airport again forming the Grand Canyon very quickly you know either way uh

[00:25:41] there’s a couple other competing theories but basically they have a some sort of breach in that up that upwork

[00:25:47] and once water comes through we’re talking water that was estimated to be

[00:25:53] traveling at 100 to 120 miles an hour and it was carrying bits of sand up to

[00:26:00] 200 000 pound Boulders it was like a giant belt sander and it ripped through that upward leaving behind the straight

[00:26:06] up and down Canyon walls uh in really a matter of days maybe maybe a couple three weeks

[00:26:13] where the the main Chasm was cut um you know they use uh they use water

[00:26:19] in Industry now to cut hardened steel yeah 50 000 PSI and the key is they have

[00:26:25] some sort of grit in it and it’ll tear right through hardened steel water is very powerful yeah yeah and I you know

[00:26:33] I’ve looked into this myself too and and uh learned some amazing like the Burlingame Canyon how quickly that was

[00:26:38] carved and lots of other examples in the in that regard um what’s your favorite evidence you

[00:26:44] know I’m sure there are so many evidences like I I mean you mentioned Bryce Canyon you mentioned the scablands

[00:26:51] all of these are geological features that couldn’t be carved by the normal weathering processes we see today

[00:26:58] um what would you say is one of your favorite evidences uh when you when that you get excited about when when you’re

[00:27:04] sharing it with people that is you know uh just kind of Lights a fire under you

[00:27:09] but you know there’s there’s a couple things and I I I’ve already talked and alluded to some what is pointing out

[00:27:16] where the creation rock is and where the flood layers come in that’s very eye-opening to folks especially when

[00:27:21] they realize you could actually go to a spot and put your thumb on Grace you’re rocking your fingers on the Judgment

[00:27:27] layers secular geology has a real problem for those two types of rocks meet

[00:27:34] they’re missing they’re missing about two billion years

[00:27:40] of other layers that according to the time scale they’ve got are supposed to be between those rocks at Grand Canyon

[00:27:46] they call it the Great unconformity they say some some unknown erosional event

[00:27:51] removed two billion years worth of worth of strata but it wasn’t a global flood

[00:27:56] and um they called the great unconformity I call it the great inconsistency yeah and so that’s all

[00:28:04] that’s really one but the other is when I get to explain the the missing layers

[00:28:09] the layers from above today’s Rim that have been removed leaving behind this the staircase because

[00:28:17] there’s really no viable explanation from a secular standpoint I had a

[00:28:24] Professor from Columbia University get a hold of me about 10 years ago

[00:28:29] and he called me and he said hey I’m here in Flagstaff and I like to sit down and meet with you because you’re

[00:28:36] misleading people with your geology and I said well I’d be glad to sit down

[00:28:41] and talk with you and straighten you out about your geology because I think you’re the ones misleading people so I

[00:28:46] said he said okay let’s meet I said okay we’ll meet at Chick-fil-A he didn’t go for that

[00:28:53] we had to meet at Starbucks oh yeah that’s funny

[00:28:58] it was interesting because Kevin the first thing I did was I read in second

[00:29:03] Peter 3 3-6 how non-believers and last days of playing uniform processes and

[00:29:09] deny the global flood it physically stunned him he sat there with his mouth

[00:29:14] open for about 20 seconds because he realized everything he his secular

[00:29:20] geologist based upon is on uniform processes and no Global flood just like

[00:29:26] the Bible said they would do so he was fulfilling prophecy and it dawned on him and then for about two hours he went

[00:29:33] through all his proofs the Earth is millions and billions of years old and I didn’t know all the things he was

[00:29:40] talking about but I just listened to it and I would just comment well that’s based on a belief in uniform process as

[00:29:46] if the process is more uniform that uh your conclusion wouldn’t wouldn’t work or or that’s based on the belief there

[00:29:52] is never a global flood there’s a global flood it wipes out your interpretation of that evidence and we did that for a

[00:29:58] couple hours and he finally disagreed to disagree and um unfortunately his his mind was set

[00:30:05] but I’m often asked what evidence do I have that the Bible is true and I always say

[00:30:12] I have the same evidence that atheists use say it’s not true I mean we all live

[00:30:17] in the same world we all have the same evidence it’s never been about the evidence it’s about who gets to

[00:30:22] interpret the evidence and take those stratified layers laid down by water that make up the crust of the earth

[00:30:29] second of us looked at that and says uniform process is no Global flood hundreds of millions of years I looked

[00:30:36] down and say stratified layers separated by grain size weight and density by the global flood God’s word is true same

[00:30:43] evidence different interpretation so we have to decide really and truly is logically and scientifically which which

[00:30:50] interpretation makes the best sense and I think the Bible stands tall every single time

[00:30:56] yeah yeah um what about you know and I’m sure you’ve heard this before I was looking

[00:31:02] at an aerial view of the Grand Canyon and um you know I looked up this the largest size of the Colorado River and I

[00:31:09] believe it at its widest it’s 500 feet and yet the Canyons

[00:31:16] um Rim is what is the distance from one end to the other uh why you know being

[00:31:22] wide and it starts officially 277 miles long it’s up to 18 miles wide I think it

[00:31:29] averages about 10. there’s some places down in the gorge it’s rather narrow so the water is deep

[00:31:35] um I can’t think of any place we’re in the canyon where it’s 500 feet wide uh so how could anybody justify how could

[00:31:42] anybody justify the size of the canyon being 18 miles wide when you have a river that’s this tiny I mean is that a

[00:31:49] is that a good argument for evidence that this was carved by a massive amount of water coming through and not a tiny

[00:31:56] River I would certainly say it is you know I took my my grandson there a few years

[00:32:02] back he was I think six years old I hadn’t said anything to him about the

[00:32:07] age of the canyon or anything but as we’re standing on the side of the canyon looking down

[00:32:12] no grandpa there’s no way that River has dug out this he’s a six-year-old come on

[00:32:19] uh just common sense you know if Rivers carve out huge Canyons over you know given

[00:32:26] millions of years of time and if the Earth is supposed to be billions of years old or why isn’t every

[00:32:34] river goalie streaming Creek in its own Grand Canyon by now and the answer is it

[00:32:39] took a very special set of circumstances to form Grand Canyon the global flood

[00:32:45] had laid down the stratified layers a massive erosion limit for the end of the flood moved removed the two miles the

[00:32:51] upwork form water’s in cut through the upward quickly leaving behind the canyon

[00:32:57] it took a very special set of circumstances to form again yeah that’s so one of the one of our

[00:33:04] guests on the on the uh show here that’s listening asked that exact question which was you know why aren’t there more

[00:33:10] Grand Canyons around the world um if it was carved by the flood uh why

[00:33:16] would that be the case and you just said it was very very particular circumstances is that right exactly exactly that’s a great question

[00:33:22] I get that from Walmart Christians and I get it from uh Stoppers and Skeptics too and I love answering it because uh there

[00:33:30] that’s really the viable answer it’s a very special set of circumstances to form them and for the older there’s it’s

[00:33:36] a real problem for them because there should be Grand Canyons everywhere and they’re not there are a few a handful of

[00:33:41] the large canyons and we do have some very large submarine canyons underneath

[00:33:46] the ocean surface but Grand Canyon is a very special uh place and it is one of

[00:33:52] the five pillars of the old earthquakes do you um do you deal with fossils

[00:33:57] inside the Grand Canyon uh in the in the strata do you talk about that at all

[00:34:03] when you do those tours you know only a bit we’re up on the rim there are some Fossil Beds in the uh the

[00:34:09] Kaibab wine stone that makes up the rim uh there’s nothing that is overly

[00:34:15] exciting sponges crinoids brachiopods that type of thing uh down in the lower

[00:34:20] regions you can find uh some trilobite fossils and you find layers that have

[00:34:25] trilobite track ways now to my knowledge I’ve never seen it probably by crack way

[00:34:31] in the same layer that you find the trilobite fossils which uh if they had formed slowly you should find them

[00:34:37] together I would suggest that the the trackways are laid down by the living trilobites

[00:34:43] were buried the trilobite got swept off and then buried in the upper a layer above that uh you know find the

[00:34:50] trackways in there and their bodies together someone knows of a spot where they found them both together let me

[00:34:56] know but my knowledge uh they’ve always been separated what what um what is your view on you know where

[00:35:03] the Bible says that the floodgates of deep of the deep were all opened on one day what what is your view on it do you

[00:35:10] um I’ve heard creationists say the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is probably where that opened up do you um hold to that

[00:35:16] view also well uh partly um there are the the Earth is

[00:35:22] crisscrossed with almost 50 000 miles of these fault lines I think quite a few of

[00:35:27] them are scars left over from where the fountains are deep erupted including the Mid-Atlantic Ridge many of them run down

[00:35:33] the the centers or down between oceans between uh land masses and I think the

[00:35:40] the single continent from the original creation was split up during the flood and split apart uh during the latter

[00:35:47] part of the flood we call that continental drift today based on uniformity that they’ve always moved a

[00:35:53] half inch a year and no Global flood just like the Bible said they would do uh Sakura let’s say it took hundreds of

[00:36:00] millions years to separate the continent so it happened quickly and now they hardly move at all so uniformity is a

[00:36:08] faulty belief but I think that’s a direct result of The Fountains of erupting and the global Floyd both

[00:36:15] what other geological features are there that you um so I mean the grant there’s the Grand Canyon

[00:36:21] um and in the Five Pillars that you mentioned I think there was another I can’t remember exactly there was another geological feature you mentioned I think

[00:36:27] but um when you talk about things like Bryce Canyon the scablands

[00:36:33] um what other geological features are there um you know similar to the Grand Canyon that could only have been carved

[00:36:38] by a worldwide flood and there’s just no way to justify their existence by normal

[00:36:43] weathering that we see today um are there any that you that come to mind that are significant to you

[00:36:50] well I think the uh the stratified layers that average a mile deep around most of the globe are pretty pretty

[00:36:57] solid evidence of the global flood you know a doctor a geologist by the name of

[00:37:03] Dr Richard bretts back in the 1920s started uh putting forth a a hypothesis

[00:37:11] that the scab lands you wind up in in Eastern Washington formed very quickly as a result of a massive glacial Dam

[00:37:18] breach that they formed in a matter of days secular geology didn’t teach in the form slowly and uniformly like we see

[00:37:24] today over millions and millions of years now his career was destroyed he was destroyed he was attacked his career

[00:37:30] was was undermined and then about 40 to 45 years later in the mid 60s secular

[00:37:37] geology finally admitted he was absolutely right scab lands Grand Coulee

[00:37:43] Etc formed very quickly as a result of a damn breach you know people need to

[00:37:49] understand water is eight pounds a gallon so eight pounds and you get that that you you get a million gallons you

[00:37:56] know eight million pounds of water moving at you know 40 50 100 miles an hour and then that starts picking up

[00:38:02] debris and it’s like a gigantic belt sander ripping through whatsoever in front of it the water is literally I I

[00:38:10] think it’s beyond our comprehension the power that yeah yeah I had some students say uh why

[00:38:16] didn’t people just swim to the top of the the ocean when the waters came in and I was like no no that’s not going to

[00:38:23] happen you’re going to get torn apart by that much water that’s just unreal yeah it might take you you know a few

[00:38:29] days to get to the surface and most people can’t hold their breath that long yeah

[00:38:35] so long you know destroy man and that’s that’s exactly

[00:38:41] what he did uh you know his blood today yeah so

[00:38:48] um so if people want more information uh creation Ministries uh dot org is that the the best website

[00:38:55] it is creationmemistries.org I have a lot of information on there um I did want to mention our Public

[00:39:03] School accredited course first time in 60 years before creation aged Earth

[00:39:08] issues uh darwinian uh frauds being exposed are actually now uh

[00:39:18] where a public high school kid can take them for credit toward their graduation how is that I’ve never heard of such a

[00:39:25] thing how did how did that come to be there’s a Christian School in Phoenix

[00:39:31] Northwest Christian School uh out in North Phoenix 43rd Avenue and they have

[00:39:39] received what’s called exemplary accreditation status only 17 Christian schools in the world

[00:39:47] have received this I think Northwest has been the number one rated public or

[00:39:53] private school in Arizona for 10 years in a row excellent school and about

[00:39:58] because of their status if a public high school kid were to take one of their

[00:40:03] courses they can transfer that credit for their public high school graduation

[00:40:09] as an elected credit most high schools want six elected credits well two years ago they asked me if I would work with

[00:40:16] them put together a course on biblical creation the age of the Earth Grand

[00:40:22] Canyon Darwinism Etc all the things that I normally talk about and I have a book that covers the uh it’s called cost

[00:40:29] that’s cos and Lacrosse creation original it’s in separation and the

[00:40:35] cross underneath the Redemption and the cost covers the top 10 orders beliefs

[00:40:41] the top 10 evil fruit of older beliefs number one being Darwinism so I covered

[00:40:46] the top tinderwinian beliefs and then we cover the top 10 reasons believe in biblical creation and the global flood

[00:40:53] there’s a study guide at the end of each of the 21 chapters the course is based

[00:40:58] on my book cost but it also takes all of my videos they’re on my DVDs and thumb drives and throughout the course kids

[00:41:05] are watching all of these videos it’s going to take a student about 80 to 85 hours of work to get through that course

[00:41:12] or wow 500 600 and 700 page papers that are due there there are pop quizzes and

[00:41:19] finals and midterms Etc it’s a full it’s an 18-week course and when a kid completes that course

[00:41:26] they’re going to know creation Evolution agent Earth issues about as well as I do and

[00:41:32] um anyways at Northwest Christian’s status anybody they they put these all

[00:41:38] on on their online school so they have the course on campus the online course

[00:41:44] follows the campus course and anyone in the world can take it online and if your

[00:41:50] public high school student or you have a student in public school or a grandchild in public school you can get them to

[00:41:57] take this course and it will qualify as a credit for their High School

[00:42:03] graduation this is the first time since prayer and creation were kicked out of schools in 1963. this is the first time

[00:42:10] a kid in public school can get credit while learning the truth of God in his word that’s fantastic that’s incredible well

[00:42:19] uh and if if somebody wants to take advantage of that uh where do they go to do that do they they don’t do they have

[00:42:24] to attend the school or can they take that um through the school or how does that work you can take it anywhere in the

[00:42:30] world if you can get online so uh the best way to probably get started go to

[00:42:35] my website creationministries.org and on the left poll on the second the first or second

[00:42:42] one down on the left is high school course if you click there it’ll take you to lengths we can you can read about it

[00:42:48] on my site uh you could get my book costs and see what the cost is all about it it’s it’s really a a great book it’s

[00:42:56] easy to understand written to be simple and quick to the point and like I said it covers the top 10 older believes top

[00:43:03] and evil fruit of older police pop indoor winning beliefs top 10 reasons to believe God’s word and you can see what

[00:43:10] that course is going to be teaching kids and it’s powerful it’s very powerful course so far I’ve gotten really really

[00:43:15] get feedback from the school about it and from the facilitator of the course as well and they’re really just getting

[00:43:22] started I think they just started the second semester of it and um anyone

[00:43:27] wants to learn about it and get get signed up for the next semester this should be the time to do it yeah that

[00:43:32] sounds fun and then you get the links to the to the school you’re eating public school and talk to them about it great

[00:43:39] okay and then um one other thing before we before we head out I want to make sure people hear this again you

[00:43:44] mentioned that you are actually doing a um tour I think you said in May what is

[00:43:50] the website of the of the company that um helps facilitate those tours of the canyon and and the river rafting and so

[00:43:56] forth yes I put on the grand staircase tour but they set up the trip and the bus and

[00:44:02] the people and hotels and it’s Purpose Driven tours they’re out of Jackson Mississippi but you could join that tour

[00:44:09] in Arizona but um they still have some open seats for their mate for

[00:44:16] um June 8th through the 11th so people would come in and fly into Phoenix on June 8th uh we’ll have a meeting that

[00:44:23] night we’ll go and and tour the south rim and I’ll point out the creation Rock and the two miles of missing layers and

[00:44:31] much more then than uh the next night we’ll see overnight and Paige that night the next day do the four hour raft trip

[00:44:37] and I’ll point out things on the RAF prep that’s our rim and rap trip and then we head back to Phoenix we go buy

[00:44:42] some dinosaur uh Fossil Beds and uh that’s kind of fun as well you know I

[00:44:48] used to think yeah nobody wants to go see the dinosaur fossils because I see them all the time well then I find out

[00:44:54] it seems like about 80 of the people on the bus I’ll ask you guys want to go see some dinosaurs

[00:44:59] yeah yeah and it will have and about each other people I used to

[00:45:06] always think well everyone sees this stuff because you know I’m doing that yeah no no I

[00:45:12] that sounds amazing I I want to do it so um Russ I just want to thank you so much we’re about out of time here but I

[00:45:19] really thank you for uh taking the time to be able to do this with us oh thanks Kevin I enjoyed speaking with

[00:45:24] you and and sharing with your audience absolutely that’s creationministries.org if you guys want more information about

[00:45:30] Russ Miller and uh he’s been doing this for a long time and just a wealth of

[00:45:36] information and I just love uh the the kind of uh uh boots on the ground uh you

[00:45:42] know kind of thing that you do here with the Grand Canyon it’s incredible so so you guys can check that out um of course my website is

[00:45:48] educateforlife.org for those of you listening and I’ve got all kinds of resources up there as well uh full homeschool curriculum there that’s

[00:45:54] available for anybody who wants it and then um next uh our next guest is going to be Dr Dan Biddle who also has done

[00:46:01] some amazing work with Creation With Dinosaurs and then we also have Tom Meyer coming up if you want to learn how

[00:46:07] to memorize scripture if you uh if you feel like you’re not good at that uh he’s a great resource for equipping you

[00:46:13] to be able to memorize scripture and help you to get God’s word inside your mind and your heart so uh thanks again

[00:46:20] for being here with us and I see a bunch of my students online so thanks you guys for being here glad you could make it

[00:46:26] out and uh we’ll look forward to being with you next time God bless you talk to you later Russ hope to see you

[00:46:32] soon in the future thanks sir God bless you guys God bless bye-bye bye-bye when you need tires or

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