The Glory in Creation – David Rives

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[00:00:06] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is join da educate for life o our G it’s 40 online

[00:00:13] classes defending the truth of the Bible a great resource for you I’m gonna be sharing this Sunday at Skyline Church on

[00:00:20] the amazing evidences for the truth of the Bible regarding archaeology so I hope you can make it out it’s at Skyline

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[00:00:33] love to have you out there you’ll be encouraged and blessed by these evidences there are amazing evidences

[00:00:39] showing the truth of God’s Word you may or may not know Gallup recently came out

[00:00:44] with the latest its latest review of creation vs. evolution and the beliefs

[00:00:49] in the US and it says here this to this article is titled belief in creationist

[00:00:54] view of humans at new low it says the percentage of US adults who believe that God created humans in their

[00:01:00] present form at some time within the last 10,000 years or so the strict creationist view has reached a new low

[00:01:07] 38 percent of US adults now accept creationism now what’s interesting here

[00:01:12] is that the article goes on to show that the majority of people do believe in God

[00:01:17] they believe that God created everything but there’s an increasing percentage of people that believe that God used

[00:01:23] evolution to create and it looks like we’re at a neck-and-neck tie here about 38 percent believe that God used

[00:01:30] evolution and another 38 percent believed in creation around 19 or 20 percent believe that God that God was

[00:01:37] not involved in that everything just evolved and so if you’ve been listening to my show at all you know I’ve

[00:01:42] interviewed plenty of people that believe in creation as well as people that don’t believe in creation I

[00:01:48] recently interviewed Lawrence Krauss he’s a very famous atheist physicist Arizona State University who says that

[00:01:54] everything came from nothing so he he has decided he’s figured out a way to

[00:01:59] justify the idea that there’s no need for a cause for the universe the universe essentially caused itself and

[00:02:05] came from nothing you can listen to that interview but my guest today is David Rives and he is a creationist

[00:02:12] he has his own creation ministry which is having any fantastic impact he’s

[00:02:18] sharing all over the world he has a TV program he’s on t bu t BN and david

[00:02:24] rives dot-com all kinds of fantastic videos that he has on there sharing

[00:02:30] about creation and the science that supports creation and david you’re here all the way from Nashville Tennessee

[00:02:35] that’s correct that’s fantastic thanks for being here and I’m excited because you’re gonna be

[00:02:41] speaking at the Creation Museum Day on Saturday and hopefully I’ll get to hear you and what are you speaking on at the

[00:02:47] Creation Museum well I think I’m speaking a couple of different times I’m gonna be talking about Bible knows best and wonders without number

[00:02:54] and so with the Bible knows best basically I’m gonna break down a concept

[00:02:59] because everybody’s heard this term before even if you’ve never watched the TV series or even if you never listen to

[00:03:06] the radio serial that came before you’ve heard the term father knows best yeah it’s just part of America’s culture yeah

[00:03:12] absolutely yeah but I got to thinking about that one day and I was like well you know if the father knows best and I

[00:03:18] believe he does the father of it all yeah father of creation yeah then he inspired the words of the Bible

[00:03:26] so the Bible is the Word of God the word of the father and so by implication the Bible also

[00:03:32] knows best that means that it should be 100% correct when it talks about history 100% correct when it talks about

[00:03:39] prophecy 100% correct when it talks about science that’s fantastic you know what’s interesting too I interviewed

[00:03:45] somebody on the Reformation because we’re on the 500 year anniversary of the Reformation and one of the principles

[00:03:51] that came out of that was Sola scriptura yes and is that does that apply here to what you’re talking about

[00:03:57] you know Bible knows best well absolutely you know a lot of people that that we come in contact with they say

[00:04:03] well David you know you have to use nature to interpret everything and nature is like the you know it’s it’s

[00:04:10] the another book of the Bible we have it all together there and take that at face

[00:04:15] value but you see there’s there’s a difference because when we look at nature and when we use the sciences to

[00:04:22] study the natural world yeah I would call creation yeah there’s interpretations involved our own

[00:04:29] interpretations always come out when we’re studying nature however the Word

[00:04:35] of God yes we can try to twist those words and we can try to make them mean

[00:04:40] what we want them to mean but they’re pretty clear yeah and so we’ve got to stick solely to scripture scripture only

[00:04:47] and so it’s absolutely relevant yeah as our premier authority that’s really interesting what you’re saying too

[00:04:52] because people often say like you said we’ve got revelation from nature and

[00:04:58] we’ve got revelation from the Word of God and so they’ll say hey we’ve got these two books now that we can refer to

[00:05:04] but I like what you’re saying there you’re saying that hey when we read the Bible it’s God telling us how it is when

[00:05:11] we look at nature it’s our interpretation and our biases often come into play and will taint how we receive

[00:05:18] what’s in nature and so it’s less clear is that absolutely and of course that’s what a lot of sight you know creation

[00:05:24] scientists talk about his worldview so our worldview always comes across but here’s our thing Sir Isaac Newton

[00:05:29] poetically talked about the book of nature he said yeah we can study and we can learn isn’t that what Paul told the

[00:05:36] Romans he said the invisible things from the creation of the world are being clearly understood by the things that are made even God’s eternal power his

[00:05:43] Godhead himself okay so we can study nature and yes we can give God the glory

[00:05:48] for what he has created but it doesn’t come in Nate Li our views and our

[00:05:54] interpretations come through when we use science when we start with the Word of God well that’s that’s always a good

[00:06:01] foundation yeah absolutely now what’s interesting would you say you know I just read this Gallup poll and

[00:06:06] I’ve been looking at these polls you know and we’re seeing that people still believe in God but the problem is is

[00:06:12] that they’re starting to bring evolution into the picture do you think that people are taking their eyes off of this

[00:06:17] idea that Bible knows best yes well you see this is sort of a dangerous trend

[00:06:23] and I have many good friends who believe that you know we can sort of try to stuff evolution into the Bible we can

[00:06:31] compromise in these small ways and fit in millions of years billions of years and just say God did it right

[00:06:37] okay but but the fact is it’s a compromise we’re actually creating a

[00:06:42] compromise because if you gave the Bible if you gave the book of Genesis to the average person on the street they never

[00:06:49] touched the Bible before they’d never gone to a high school they’d never gone into a science class in their life

[00:06:55] you said read the first book of the Bible and as they read through it they would never come back and say oh well

[00:07:02] David right here where it says you know in six days the Lord made heaven and earth the sea and all that in them is I

[00:07:08] think that that’s probably six million years or six eons of time or six billion years no there’s no way that you could

[00:07:15] get that a plain literal interpretation would always seem to indicate six literal days for creation he rested on

[00:07:22] the seventh yeah and to me that is what also fits with good scientific

[00:07:27] principles science that’s observable repeatable demonstrable empirical science that’s fantastic now you know

[00:07:35] something that comes up a lot when it’s any any time somebody who is on the opposing viewpoint hears you say we’ve

[00:07:41] got to interpret the Bible literally they immediately say hey look this guy can’t differentiate between poetry and

[00:07:48] and actual you know narrative or historical narrative or something like that you see but that’s sort of a that’s

[00:07:55] this sort of a false concept because when I say literally I mean that the context makes it clear when it’s poetry

[00:08:02] the context is perfectly clear that it’s poetry there when it’s prophecy it’s perfectly clear from the context that

[00:08:08] this is a prophetic event being talked about but when it’s a historical narrative such as the book of Genesis it

[00:08:14] is perfectly clear from the context that it is a historical narrative in other words it is literally true based on the

[00:08:20] concept but based on the context and it’s easy to determine context that’s

[00:08:25] great and I want to I want to talk a little bit more about that when we come back I also want to let our guests know

[00:08:30] a little bit of our background about you know how did you come to be so passionate about the creation/evolution issue and you’ve got a ministry that’s

[00:08:37] reaching thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people and that’s so

[00:08:43] fantastic and I’m just curious for them to hear that your back story and kind of where you came from and did you grow up

[00:08:48] in a Christian family and you know what makes you the person that you are today and where you’re at today my guest is David Rives David Rives comm

[00:08:56] I I recommend you check out his website all kinds of amazing resources there it’s a fantastic ministry that you want

[00:09:03] to support you want to see the truth get out there you know a lot of what we’re hearing in the world today is an echo

[00:09:08] chamber we’re hearing people say things they’re just repeating information they’re not actually verifying that the information they’re hearing is actually

[00:09:14] true and I think this is part of the struggle is we want to get at the truth and the truth is not determined by

[00:09:21] majority it’s not even determined by experts truth is determined by the evidence that we have for whether it’s

[00:09:27] true and by the Word of God and so when we come back we’re going to continue to talk to my guest David Reeves we’ll be

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[00:11:49] thanks for listening today this is educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is joined educate for

[00:11:56] life o RG you can listen to a recording of this show if you missed the first segment you can also listen to lots of previous shows I have all kinds of

[00:12:02] experts on there including dr. James Tory’s one of the foremost scientists in the world he’s ranked as one of the top

[00:12:08] 50 scientists in the world and he says he’s an organic synthetic chemist he says evolution is absolutely impossible

[00:12:14] from a molecular level he says that the molecules are thermodynamically unstable that’s a fancy way of saying they don’t

[00:12:22] go together there’s no way that these molecules can come together and begin to form amino acids and proteins and

[00:12:28] everything you need for a living cell it’s just not going to happen as well as many other experts on science on a

[00:12:34] sociology on psychology on all the different things that our culture is dealing with but most importantly on the

[00:12:40] Bible people who have studied the Bible and come to know that it is the truth my guest today is David Rives David Rives

[00:12:46] calm and David we closed off the last segment we hopped right into our

[00:12:52] discussion about creation evolution and the significance of Bible knows best and soul of Scripture and these sorts of

[00:12:57] things give us a little bit of your past where did you grow up how did you grow up and how did you get so passionate about creation sure well I’ve been a

[00:13:04] Christian from a very early age I had was grazed in Christian home had great parents who just directed me I never

[00:13:11] never had a crisis of faith although it would have been easy to do as I studied

[00:13:16] all of these different Sciences when I was about 17 years old I had no idea what I wanted to do with life no

[00:13:23] Direction whatsoever but I knew that I liked astronomy and as a family I knew I

[00:13:29] liked looking through telescopes things like that well I decided I wanted to get into it as a bit more of a serious hobby

[00:13:35] so I began to take Astro photography photos of space right just like the Hubble Space Telescope can

[00:13:41] take pictures I said well I could take pictures a little bit of an art to it and it really does take years of

[00:13:47] experience yeah but when I started using larger telescopes connecting cameras to

[00:13:52] the backs of those telescopes and taking photography of space the first time I

[00:13:58] saw and I’m going to show you one of the first pictures over two had taken and I know the radio audience can’t

[00:14:03] see this oh you can show it to the camera right here there you go Wow you took that photo yes this was one of the first ones ever yeah I’m impressed and

[00:14:10] this is my respect for you just went up that’s of the great Orion Nebula Wow

[00:14:16] and now what now real quick how did you take that photo I mean is that a normal camera well this is an observatory class

[00:14:23] telescope okay Wow and some special cameras show that to our camera again special cameras with the infrared filter

[00:14:29] removed so you can get more detail and as beautiful let’s just say it’s an art

[00:14:34] to it but when I first saw something like this that I had personally taken I

[00:14:40] was blown away yeah you know because I had seen the Hubble Space Telescope pictures and I’d said oh they doctor

[00:14:46] those they call it they you know but then I see it for myself yeah yes in my mind so they don’t

[00:14:52] actually doctor no you know some contrast is yeah but yeah but no that’s really out there that’s amazing and the

[00:14:58] first thing that popped into my mind was Psalm 19 Psalm 19:1 says the heavens declare the glory of God in the

[00:15:04] firmament showeth his handiwork it says that day unto day uttereth show with knowledge but there is no speech nor

[00:15:11] language where their voice is not heard so the heavens are actually proclaiming God’s glory they’re screaming out to us

[00:15:18] right so I was blown away and I said for the first time I said well I can’t keep

[00:15:23] this to myself why is this a hobby why am I not using this to reach others to share what I’ve learned that’s very and

[00:15:29] to witness yeah you know what’s interesting to me is because that is totally a witness you know I was reading

[00:15:35] this study not too long ago where they said that when somebody sees something I’m really beautiful everybody

[00:15:43] regardless of what you believe has a sense of awe yes that overtakes them and you know you get goosebumps or whatever

[00:15:49] you see the Grand Canyon for the first time or you see an amazing sunset or you see what you were taking photos here and

[00:15:54] it’s as if God had put in us this sense that when we see something we

[00:16:00] immediately go whoa well no that’s the only reason that beauty makes sense because we see beauty inherent in so

[00:16:06] many things and when we build a skyscraper we we instinctively have architects build it beautiful it’s it’s

[00:16:13] designed to house people and nice and all of that on a small

[00:16:18] footprint but then why does it need to be beautiful there’s no reason other than we appreciate beauty now why do we

[00:16:25] appreciate beauty the only thing that makes sense is that we are created in the image of God and he instilled in us

[00:16:32] just this fraction of the appreciation for beauty that he has and that he installed in all of creation that’s so

[00:16:40] great and and what’s interesting is the animals don’t have that same a sense no they don’t look around and go wow this

[00:16:46] is the most beautiful day just look at this and just take it in you and they don’t create either they’re they’re not

[00:16:51] creative in the sense that we build these massive buildings and pieces of artwork you don’t see a bunch of you

[00:16:57] know monkeys out in the forest drawing pictures and and paint where and then all sitting around admiring it and why

[00:17:02] is that yeah if we are merely the result of millions of years of millions of

[00:17:08] mutations and accidental features then why do we behave so much differently

[00:17:14] than the animals but that goes back to your point you’re talking about the Gallup poll that says we’re kind of neck-and-neck with well maybe God did

[00:17:21] use evolution but that’s dangerous because that means that we’re nothing more than animals maybe God directed the

[00:17:29] process but we’re still highly evolved Apes basically now what kind of a self

[00:17:35] image does that put in your mind not very good for me yeah but when I look at

[00:17:40] what’s being taught in public schools and the universities around the country and then I look at what happens every

[00:17:46] time you turn on Discovery Channel or National Geographic Traveler Airy

[00:17:52] worldview right that we are cosmic accidents that were nothing more than

[00:17:58] highly developed ape-like creatures well why do we think we’re seeing 22 veterans

[00:18:04] suicides every single day why do we see all of these school shootings as if

[00:18:10] they’re just one animal killing another animal yeah maybe because that’s what they were taught that they have no

[00:18:16] purpose in life that they’re not here for any reason that they’re just accidents but that’s not what the Bible

[00:18:22] says the Bible says that we are fearfully and wonderfully made in the image of God and that we do have a

[00:18:28] purpose yeah you know it’s also interesting about that is that if somebody believes in evolution I mean you can say you

[00:18:34] believe in God but it really impugns them the character of God because he’s using death and survival of the fittest

[00:18:41] to create which is horrible the Bible says that Christ conquered

[00:18:47] death and so here we’re making death out not to be the enemy anymore when death is really the ultimate enemy but but in

[00:18:54] order for to evolve you have to have death and so again it really plays havoc

[00:18:59] with the scriptures and even the character of God well absolutely does but you see I think that everything we see around us makes

[00:19:06] it fairly evident that there is a designer and if we could I’d like to talk about the hummingbird oh yeah let’s

[00:19:12] do that okay so the hummingbird is this little creature is the smallest bird on earth the smallest of all warm-blooded

[00:19:18] creatures yeah yet it can still fly up to 34 miles per hour it can hover it

[00:19:23] weighs less than a post-it note at birth okay so the tiny little creatures but

[00:19:28] they’ll fly from flower to flower collecting nectar and they can tell just by tasting that nectar what the sugar

[00:19:34] content is and if it’s not at least 10% they move to a different flower Wow they instinctively know that anything less

[00:19:40] than 10% couldn’t sustain their super fast metabolism with a heartbeat of 1,200 beats per minute whoa that is

[00:19:48] incredible now what now why did you focus on the hum what caused you to decide to focus on the hummingbird and that we make it have to get into in the

[00:19:54] next second okay that’s a story in and of itself it’s it’s a god thing okay well that’s a that’s a good tease I want

[00:20:00] to I want our listeners to stay over my guest today is David Rives and he got

[00:20:05] into creation evolution because of astronomy he was so astonished by what he was seeing in the Stars and the

[00:20:10] beauty of God and he decided to share it with others please go to his website Rives is our IV es david rives comm and

[00:20:18] support his ministry and what he’s doing he’s on TBN which is a huge network of

[00:20:24] ministries that are sharing the gospel and giving the hope of Jesus Christ and when is your show on on TBN every

[00:20:31] Saturday at let’s see it would be 2:30 Eastern Time so we back that up what

[00:20:37] three hours will be 11:30 in the morning here in Southern California

[00:20:43] Southern California on Saturdays 11:30 is called creation in the 21st century that’s that’s great and now you have

[00:20:49] other resources too available to just give us a couple of the other other resources on the website absolutely so we have a 24/7 TV network called Genesis

[00:20:57] Science network that airs hundreds of hours of content based on biblical apologetics science in the Bible origins

[00:21:03] history like Nova yeah it’s basically the Christian version of Nova yeah that’s really cool is called Genesis

[00:21:08] science Network but you can reach all of that from the web at cost and free to the public

[00:21:14] wow that’s great you can see there’s links to that on david r IV es comm and

[00:21:19] you can it’ll direct you to all of our different resources again it is a ministry outreach tool that anybody can

[00:21:27] use and we try to make it simple enough that everybody can understand that and that’s what’s needed what a blessing

[00:21:32] david rives comm check it out we’re gonna be right back we’re gonna continue to talk about the amazing hummingbird and how it refutes evolution in and of

[00:21:41] itself just that little bird there we’ll be right back [Music]

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[00:24:45] brother who is kind of a comrade-in-arms here who is sharing the truth of God’s

[00:24:52] Word through creation he’s here in Southern California to share at the Creation Museum we have creation museum

[00:24:57] day coming up this Saturday and very excited about that David so so what happened that caused

[00:25:04] you to decide to look into the the hummingbirds specifically and used that as evidence for the truth of God’s Word

[00:25:09] okay so back in 2013 I guess it was I had produced this DVD called in the

[00:25:15] beginning creation according to Genesis just a short little DVD looking at things from a creation perspective that

[00:25:21] was one of the semi-finalists at the largest Christian Film Festival in the world in 2013 and so I went out there

[00:25:28] for the awards ceremony and I had brought these little DVDs like a promotional DVD with yeah right and a

[00:25:35] big stack in my suitcase and so the last day of the Film Festival the award ceremonies you know it and I realized

[00:25:42] listen I’m not giving any of these things out and the airlines are gonna charge me to bring all this stuff back so I went up to my room

[00:25:49] I grabbed this big stack of DVDs and I began to just hand one to everybody I saw at the festival as I walked through

[00:25:54] I said would you like a free DVD here’s a DVD here’s it didn’t think anything about it I was trying to get rid of this

[00:26:00] promotional thing wrong well I come back home months pass and the next thing you

[00:26:06] know I get a call and the person on the other line says David you don’t know me from Adam but you stuck a DVD into my

[00:26:13] hand had a film festival a few months back and and I didn’t watch it for months when I finally watched it I got

[00:26:21] to the end and I noticed that your area code is the same as mine we’re neighbors here in Tennessee can I take you to

[00:26:27] lunch and I said sure sure I didn’t know what he wanted you know so so I go out to lunch and this producer sits down and

[00:26:34] he slaps a three-page outline of a feature-length documentary with a custom

[00:26:40] soundtrack and all this that he wants to do on hummingbirds Wow and he said David I’d like you to be the host and narrator I said well now you

[00:26:48] realize that I think that these hummingbirds were designed that they’re not accidents you know and he said oh

[00:26:54] that’s exactly the direction we went ahead with this and and I said well okay but there’s another small problem

[00:27:00] because you know hummingbirds are small they can hover and they’re they’re cute

[00:27:05] how are you gonna fill up a feature-length doc was I to be surprised over the course of

[00:27:13] filming this document it was called refracted glory yeah it’s called that because hummingbirds their color shines

[00:27:18] through refraction it’s almost like instead of as opposed to a will

[00:27:24] collection is as opposed to pigment colors which many times pigment colors fade right yeah but refraction like we

[00:27:31] see in a soap bubble you know when you see the little bit of a rainbow flash or whatever so it’s very vivid and these

[00:27:39] little birds they flap their wings at 80 times a second now normal you’ve got

[00:27:44] video going here at 30 frames a second right yeah well if you were to slow that down to 900 frames a second

[00:27:51] what you would see is when these hummingbirds are hovering their wings are flapping in a figure 8 pattern to

[00:27:58] maintain this hovering flight now again right before the break I told you that there somebody says that’s an accident

[00:28:04] oh I know but before the break I told you that their heartbeat is 1200 beats per minute yeah that’s fast but sounds

[00:28:10] like a heart attack it’s a few hundred beats per minute we better be headed to

[00:28:15] the emergency however this is a major problem for the hummingbird because on a

[00:28:21] long cold night its metabolism would be too fast it would run out of energy unless it continually got a new source

[00:28:28] of nectar and happen all the time yeah so the first long cold night that comes along after this creature evolves the

[00:28:35] ability to hover it passes out dies and that’s the end of the hummingbird population right yeah well of course

[00:28:41] it’s not we still see hummingbirds today because there’s a built-in mechanism is this it’s like a little miracle

[00:28:47] mechanism Kevin it’s called torpor and torpor shuts down the metabolism of the

[00:28:52] hummingbird from 1200 beats per minute get this I’m gonna pause for emphasis yeah 235 135 beats per minute from 1,200

[00:29:03] P sprint and the next morning it wakes right up and it flies away as if nothing ever happened now this could not happen

[00:29:11] by chance you see this is an example of irreducible complexity if the hummingbird didn’t have the ability to

[00:29:17] slow down its metabolism from the very first day it was created will then we

[00:29:22] wouldn’t see hummingbirds today they’d just go extinct this is not a trial and error process no everything has to be in

[00:29:28] place from the very beginning right away and so I mean we could talk for literally hours on the hummingbird but

[00:29:35] that’s just a taste of some of the things I’m gonna show so a little bit of footage from that documentary and talk

[00:29:40] about the hummingbird on Saturday at the Creation Museum but they’re incredible

[00:29:46] creatures I think they’re God’s little wonder they just inspire us because of

[00:29:51] their beauty and it’s another example of something that’s beautiful for no apparent reason and do do evolutionists

[00:29:57] have a response to what you’re saying so if somebody were to what do they say how do they evolve I mean what do they say will they say that the the birds must

[00:30:04] have co-evolved with the flowers because certain flowers have to have the the correct distance

[00:30:10] down into the petals of the flower so that these long beat hummingbirds can get to it to pollinate it and so they

[00:30:17] say well it just must have co-evolved all at the same time together so that

[00:30:22] everything was perfectly situated that’s another impossibility and it’s not as if the flower quote the flower evolving

[00:30:29] knows that it needs to be perfect for the hummingbird and that’s helps with pollination too and everything that’s

[00:30:35] right so that it’s not just the hummingbird that’s irreducibly complex it’s the whole system the entire ecosystem is so balanced so finely

[00:30:42] balanced and you change that balance just a little bit and you wouldn’t see any life whatsoever in the entire earth

[00:30:50] and the environmental movement knows this – what is what’s interesting is they’re constantly fighting – we’ve got

[00:30:55] to balance the ecosystem we’re gonna upset the ecosystem over here this animal is extinct we’re gonna upset that here and yet they believe all these

[00:31:02] ecosystems came into perfect balance by chance right which is absolutely ridiculous but we have the ultimate

[00:31:08] environmentalist in God who made it all so perfectly well that’s right and and

[00:31:13] to me you see I believe that we should be protecting the environment doing what we can yeah but the idea human-based

[00:31:21] climate change that we as humans can elevate ourselves to the position of God

[00:31:26] that we’re affecting the climate yeah that’s that’s really putting a really high lofty opinion of ourselves isn’t it

[00:31:34] because although we need to protect what God has placed us on this earth and given us dominion over your average of

[00:31:42] all cain’t your average volcano is going to produce way more carbon imprint than you could possibly produce over years

[00:31:50] the entire human population yeah so control we’ve got somebody who is and he

[00:31:56] has it all so yeah and if we’re counting on people to get it all right and to fix everything I mean people have been

[00:32:03] ruining things for ages and we see that happening even today so I mean we obviously we want to do the best we can

[00:32:09] but if we’re trying to do it all on our own we’re gonna fail and that doesn’t matter whether it’s as a culture together or whether it’s on our own

[00:32:15] individually right we all need the Lord you have to turn to the Lord at some point and my guest today is David Rives and

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[00:34:55] see us here in the studio and David Rives is my guest today he’s all the way from Nashville Tennessee flew out here

[00:35:00] to share with us here at the Creation Museum in Southern California we have a fantastic Creation Museum with all kinds

[00:35:07] of exhibits and displays I’m going to be speaking out there myself I’m gonna be talking about genetics and the human body and how genetics actually

[00:35:14] gives us evidence for creation some incredible stuff cutting-edge stuff that’s been happening in the field of

[00:35:21] genetics and DNA and so forth and then David is gonna be talking about the fact that the Bible has science way ahead of

[00:35:28] its time then stuff in there that’s absolutely true scientifically verified and yet modern science didn’t discover

[00:35:34] them till far after the Bible already had them in there David when we were off the air you were talking a little bit

[00:35:39] about the paths of the Seas can you share with our listeners how that’s what’s going on in scripture there yeah

[00:35:45] absolutely so when we read a scriptural reference when we read through the Bible it’s easy to just read over certain

[00:35:51] things yeah but there have been people have married intelligent people throughout history who have done more

[00:35:58] than just read over they’ve actually paused to consider and so I just want to give you one example and this is a man

[00:36:04] by the name of Matthew Fontaine Mari he’s known as Pathfinder of the sea and he lived in the mid-1800s

[00:36:10] basically he was extremely ill one day the story goes and his daughter came in

[00:36:16] with a Bible she sat down on a chair next to his bed and she opened up that

[00:36:21] Bible and she happened to open up to the Psalms so she said I’m gonna read you some scripture here and she began to

[00:36:27] read what is man that thou art mindful of him and the son of man that thou visitest him as she read through Psalm 8

[00:36:33] she got down to the part where it says the fowl of the air the fish of the sea whatsoever pass it through the paths of

[00:36:39] the Seas o Lord our Lord how excellent is thy name in all the earth well now at this

[00:36:44] point Matthew Fontaine Mari sat up in bed and he began to repeat paths of the

[00:36:50] Sea paths of the sea he said if I ever get out of this bed I’m going to figure out what it means by paths of the sea

[00:36:57] now he didn’t just read right over it to consider yeah that’s something that most of us would just go hey well that’s

[00:37:02] a nice poetic reference say exactly yeah so he spent his life’s effort charting

[00:37:08] the ocean currents and the paths of the Seas paths that ships still follow to

[00:37:14] this day it’s real it’s out there and all it took was some man bold enough to

[00:37:20] say you know in this moment of trial in this moment where I’m so down I’m on my

[00:37:26] deathbed here I’m extremely ill but I want to serve the Lord and I believe that the Bible has merit enough to be

[00:37:34] true in everything it says to have meaning and everything it says and so this simple passage he charted the ocean

[00:37:41] currents in the past of the sea and there’s a monument in Virginia in his honor right now you could still go and

[00:37:47] see you today it says Matthew Fontaine Mari Pathfinder of the Seas the genius who first snatched from the oceans and

[00:37:53] atmosphere the secret of their laws it says his inspiration Holy Writ

[00:37:58] or I would say Bible knows best that’s fantastic so when we look through all of

[00:38:05] the different scientific fields whether that be oceanography or astronomy or geology or paleontology or genetics as

[00:38:10] you were just mentioning yeah we find again and again that the Bible appears

[00:38:16] to have been way ahead of its time scientifically accurate anytime it mentions science now why would that be

[00:38:23] atheist criticize us all the time they say David they the Bible is a collection of myths of fairy tales written by

[00:38:29] ancient sheepherders right yeah but it’s actually kind of true the Bible was

[00:38:35] written by many sheep herders they knew nothing about science so why would the Bible be scientifically correct if it

[00:38:41] was written by sheep herders however if the Bible is the inspired Word of God

[00:38:47] and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit was on those sheep herders when they wrote those words yeah then that makes

[00:38:54] sense absolutely and what’s interesting too is that the Bible says that God uses the foolish to confound the wise and so here

[00:39:01] you have people that hey they shouldn’t have known any better but isn’t that the whole point the point is is you’ve got

[00:39:08] the scripture validating what we’re learning in science and but that is all the more reason to believe

[00:39:14] that it’s inspired by God just like you’re saying yes that is so cool it’s encouraging you know it is yeah I

[00:39:20] talk to people all the time they say David we really don’t need this we believe what it says you know we’re Christians we believe it you don’t need

[00:39:27] to tell us this and I’m like listen I have faith that everything I read in my

[00:39:32] Bible is true from beginning to end but it’s not a blind faith the evidence is

[00:39:40] all around us all we have to do is open our eyes and yeah and I hear people all the time you know they say kind of like

[00:39:45] what you said they say hey you know I believe the Bible and that’s that’s good enough for me but I’ve had conversations

[00:39:50] with Mormons and they say the same thing and I say so what would you say to the Mormon who said well I believe my but my

[00:39:56] books true you know and you say I believe my books true and and so you know what now right and so I go well if

[00:40:04] we actually look at the evidence we see that the Bible is confirmed through science archaeology history logic all

[00:40:11] these things but there is no book like the Bible not the Book of Mormon not the Quran not any other book and the reality

[00:40:18] is is we have like you said good reason to put our faith in the Word of God absolutely and you know I think it’s

[00:40:23] another really neat point that yes there are many different books and things that

[00:40:28] are considered Scripture by certain religious people right you know you’ve got the Quran and you got the Book of

[00:40:34] Mormon you’ve got all of these things that are considered scripture you know they’re held to with Authority sir but

[00:40:39] there are 66 books even even the Apocrypha in certain groups right but

[00:40:46] there’s one thing that all of the major Christian every denomination Catholics

[00:40:53] Mormons everybody would agree with yeah and that is the 66 books so I think it’s

[00:40:59] curious that out of all of these different denominations and ideas and groups you’ve got 66 books that people

[00:41:06] agree on they yeah some try to add more some try to take but but sixty-six book yeah we can agree on that yeah that’s

[00:41:12] powerful that it means that instinctively we realize there’s something special about those books

[00:41:17] well yeah even even a lot of people don’t know this but I’m teaching Islam right now in my class critically

[00:41:24] teaching Islam and they believe in the first five books of the Bible they believe in the Psalms I don’t believe in the Gospels now they

[00:41:31] say that they’ve been corrupted by Jews and Christians but there’s no evidence for that right and so even that and you

[00:41:37] know I like what you’re saying about Romans chapter one you know we look at the Stars we look at creation and it speaks loudly to our hearts that we are

[00:41:43] not just an animal and all the more reason for us to reject evolution and put our hope in God’s Word and on

[00:41:50] creation well astronomy is one of my deepest passions because you know from an early

[00:41:57] age I started to use these big telescopes it quickly graduated to observatory class telescopes that we at

[00:42:03] our ministry used to take these beautiful astrophotography photos have been featured in books around the world

[00:42:10] and in high school textbooks and that’s something that your ministry is still doing is taking these photos absolutely absolutely yeah that’s it still remains

[00:42:18] one of our most popular topics and of course I feel very strongly about it because we’re told that the Big Bang is

[00:42:28] as far back in origins history as you can go and no I put that in air quotes

[00:42:34] right know that the Big Bang took place fourteen billion years ago okay so a lot

[00:42:40] of people stick with human evolution and biological evolution and geological evolution and these sort of things but

[00:42:47] if we were to track it all the way back to the very origin of things most

[00:42:53] secular scientists would try to track it back to the Big Bang fourteen billion years ago a rapid expansion of

[00:42:58] space-time sent matter and energy reeling out were created the universe as it went and then all of a sudden all

[00:43:05] that universe the universal matter started to form into different objects

[00:43:11] like galaxies nebulae planets stars and so on yeah but the Big Bang is an

[00:43:18] origins theory and that it tries to determine the origin of space and time but it’s not an origins theory because

[00:43:25] it doesn’t address where the matter came from if we were to go back to the very first verse of scripture talking about

[00:43:31] Bible knows best again yeah he says in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth the beginning was the origin

[00:43:37] of time God created the heaven in the earth that’s space and matter yeah

[00:43:42] right there so the origin of space time and matter the three basic components of the entire universe are found in the

[00:43:48] first verse of the Bible while secular theories of Big Bang can only attempt to

[00:43:56] postulate the origin of time and space not the matter that’s very good yeah and it’s

[00:44:03] interesting because I interviewed Lawrence Krauss the astrophysicist who says everything came from nothing is that something you’re hearing out there

[00:44:09] – this idea that everything made from how do you respond to somebody who said well everything could have come from nothing well there’s really no way –

[00:44:15] there’s no way to respond to that because that is never been observed yeah we’ve never observed anything coming

[00:44:22] from nothing yeah we can we can take energy and shape it into matter or we

[00:44:28] can see this happening but you have to have the energy that where did the energy come from yeah okay so it always

[00:44:33] comes back to a beginning point that has to have a creator a designer and

[00:44:41] Orchestrator and that’s something that can’t happen if the universe is a cosmic accident and what would you say to the

[00:44:46] person that says well maybe the universe has always existed well hell and why

[00:44:53] would that make sense logically why would that make sense yeah I mean you

[00:45:00] always have to have a beginning or you can try to try to say an eternal

[00:45:06] universe if you want to but yeah everything we’ve seen has a beginning

[00:45:12] right and the Big Bang unless you’re going with multiverse or string theory

[00:45:18] or one of these other thing the Big Bang is still currently accepted and nASA

[00:45:23] says although there are big questions with the Big Bang that will probably never be answered that can never be

[00:45:30] proved that’s still what we believe that’s what NASA says the harvard-smithsonian Center for Astrophysics said what powered the Big

[00:45:37] Bang where did all the stuff in the universe come from in the first place and they don’t propose an explanation because they believe that there was an

[00:45:44] origin the Big Bang but magically it somehow just happened yeah exactly and

[00:45:49] and III think it’s it is like you said it’s akin to magic and if you believe that everything came

[00:45:54] from nothing I mean that’s more of a miracle honestly than Christ rising from the dead for you to say that a universe

[00:46:01] 28 billion light years across all just came from nothing well let’s think it through logically just really quick okay

[00:46:07] so the Big Bang nobody was around 14 billion years ago to see it it can’t be repeated in a lab it can’t be observed

[00:46:12] okay human evolution we’ve never seen life coming from non-life spontaneous

[00:46:17] generation from abiogenesis right we’ve never seen a star form we have seen

[00:46:23] stars up here when a nebulous cloud moves out of the way but we’ve never seen a star form and so all of those

[00:46:29] things are taken by faith will the merriam-webster dictionary definition for religion is a faith-based belief

[00:46:36] held to with ardour yeah now I’m not gonna tell you what to think about those

[00:46:41] but just think that through all of those things that atheistic science is telling us their faith-based belief and they

[00:46:48] will not let them go they hold to them with with ardor and fervor oh yeah dogmatically what does that mean

[00:46:54] can they become very angry if you contradict that view or many of them do not all of them but many many people who

[00:47:00] all those those views do and that really brings into question whether your beliefs are based on science or whether they’re based on off some other need to

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[00:49:55] a mouthful but his testimony is incredible he ended up being arrested by the police and was in prison and he saw

[00:50:02] a writing on the wall right that’s that’s ironic from the Bible right he saw writing on the wall that said if

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[00:50:51] impacted by him and my guest today is David Rives somebody who has dedicated his life to sharing the gospel through

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[00:52:34] you know because I just had a student text me yesterday literally yesterday he was a previous student he’s in college

[00:52:39] he’s writing a paper in I believe it’s a philosophy class he’s in first freshman

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[00:53:07] really great I wanted to read this quote this is from a statistician Christian

[00:53:14] statistician named George Barna it says is 2017 survey revealed that statistically a very small amount of

[00:53:20] younger people have a biblical worldview only four percent of 18 to 30 year olds and 7 percent of 30 to 49 year olds we

[00:53:27] are in a crisis Barna said if the church does not wake up and solve it biblical Christianity in the United States is in

[00:53:34] jeopardy is that what you’re seeing too I mean what’s you what’s the you know

[00:53:39] you’ve got your pulse on this you’re constantly talking about this what are you seeing around the country what are the trends you’re seeing and what would

[00:53:45] be your message to the church and to Christians out there about how they can make a difference well you know you

[00:53:50] always hate to be a Debbie Downer you know yeah yeah but it is a fairly grim situation yeah

[00:53:56] have seen some progress in the last few years of people much more open to at

[00:54:01] least exploring the possibilities of biblical accuracy yeah but at the same time the younger generation really

[00:54:06] aren’t being reached sometimes it’s through it’s just because of the

[00:54:12] indoctrination in the school system where only I’m gonna say this only the

[00:54:17] religion of evolution is allowed to be taught every other religion is pushed away yeah we can talk about the religion

[00:54:23] of evolution the magical idea that somehow spontaneously life popped into

[00:54:29] existence in the universe through this this supernatural process but we can’t

[00:54:34] talk about a biblical idea that there is a Creator God who cares about us and who

[00:54:40] formed us fearfully and wonderfully made with a purpose yeah and so I think that that’s been a major challenge but it’s

[00:54:48] really you know we can send our children to church all we want they’re getting

[00:54:53] one day of church they’re getting multiple days of school and when they’re not in school they flip on that TV or

[00:55:00] they open up the Internet and they’re being pounded are they flip open a children’s a four year olds dinosaur

[00:55:07] book and they’re still being indoctrinated yeah the very same thing that they were being taught in science class in their schools just moments

[00:55:13] before yeah and so we’ve got a major challenge on our hands we have to let people know we have to reach the younger

[00:55:20] generation and that’s what we have been trying to do over the last few years with our ministry is to equip an older

[00:55:28] generation so that they can reach a younger generation yeah that’s what I find interesting too is that when I speak at churches and I’m talking to

[00:55:34] adults and I ask them how many of you are aware of what I just shared here in this sermon and there’s maybe five

[00:55:42] percent of the congregation that actually is aware of the information so the church really just has to become informed and knowledgeable about these

[00:55:48] issues it’s not an option anymore and they have to realize the importance of it because you see we can we can say all

[00:55:54] day long you know we believe the Bible it’s not really important to talk about these things but when we realize that the the next generation is at stake if

[00:56:01] we don’t talk about scientific principles and how the Bible back set up how we aren’t cosmic accidents now

[00:56:09] I’d like to in a minute here just turn it back around to the heavens because

[00:56:15] when I peer through my telescope at the vast nature of the universe I see this

[00:56:20] giant cosmos just filled with stars and galaxies and nebulae and I say boy this

[00:56:26] is beautiful yeah but then I realized that in that vast cosmos we’re just this

[00:56:32] little speck Carl Sagan called it a pale blue dot and it really is it’s just this little speck but it is so special so

[00:56:39] significant because God sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to this planet

[00:56:44] to save us from our sins and offer his eternal life with him yeah and Isaiah 45 clearly says thus saith the Lord God

[00:56:51] Himself who formed the earth and made it he created it to be established the

[00:56:56] earth is a special place and we need to remember to give God the glory not worship the created thing but to worship

[00:57:04] the Creator and that points us back around to our Savior who was sent to this earth amen amen and I often tell

[00:57:11] people God’s determination of value does not depend on how big you are it depends on the fact that he can have

[00:57:18] a relationship with you and he can love you can’t love a galaxy that’s it but he can love you so I hope you’ve enjoyed

[00:57:24] the show today I hope you have a fantastic Saturday David Rives comm RI ves fantastic resource for you David

[00:57:32] thank you so much for being on the program today thank you so much Kevin okay have a great Saturday and I hope you’ll

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