The Ark and the Darkness with Dr. Dan Biddle

[00:00:00] thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover and we’re broadcasting on educate for Life radio
[00:00:05] on K pra 1210 a.m. down in Southern California we’re also on FM 106.1 in North County and we’ve got a fantastic
[00:00:13] program this evening uh of course you can pick up all our recordings um all over the web on pod on podcast educate
[00:00:20] forlife.org and uh we’re all over the all over the Internet and YouTube and all that good stuff and my guest this
[00:00:27] evening is Dan Biddle he’s a PhD he has a president I’m sorry he’s the president
[00:00:33] of Genesis apologetics he has authored more than nine books and quite a few articles on these topics he’s produced
[00:00:40] three films on Genesis and O flood and I believe this is the fourth Ark in the darkness comes out March 20th and 21st
[00:00:47] that’s this week in over a thousand theaters a little bit about Dan his professional background includes
[00:00:53] undergraduate and graduate work in Theology and apologetics he was trained as a behavioral scientist has a PHD in
[00:01:00] industrial organizational psychology and 20 years experience in expert witness and
[00:01:06] Consulting Daniel and his wife Jenny live in fulam California and they have four adult children so um Dan thanks so
[00:01:15] much for being on the program this evening thanks for having me this should be fun I’m always excited to hang out
[00:01:20] with you and talk with your folks so thanks for having me yeah absolutely and uh if you’re if
[00:01:26] you’re watching us on YouTube or live you can see in Dan’s background there’s a gigantic uh broken down boat back
[00:01:35] there Dan um tell us about that what is that background picture there yeah so that is a scene extract from our movie
[00:01:42] The Ark in the darkness you can go to Noah flood.com and see all the details about that movie but that is kind of
[00:01:48] looks like it’s about halfway through the the Noah’s Arc time lapse scene that we have we have a scene that’s a few
[00:01:54] minutes long in our movie that’s never before been done it’s a time lapse of the constru ruction of Noah’s Ark and we
[00:02:02] modeled it after the arc at Answers in Genesis so it’s uh the AIG Arc is about 510 feet long by 85 by 50 or so I I I
[00:02:10] believe and it’s got certain shapes and features to it some of which are artistic uh Freedom not necessarily uh
[00:02:18] you know there’s a little bit of room a little bit of leeway in the Bible how how we can make the ark look but we did
[00:02:24] choose to model it right after uh the arc that’s used at the arc encounter by Answers in Genesis so that looks like a
[00:02:31] clip right in the middle of our uh time lapse ARC building
[00:02:36] scene yeah I like that that’s really cool I don’t think I’ve ever seen uh something quite like that with all the trees in the middle of the forest like
[00:02:43] that um you know a lot of a lot of the scenes that I’ve seen are more uh there’s it’s like more spacious and
[00:02:48] everything why did you why did you choose um you know a forest like that it was that was that was there a thought
[00:02:54] process behind that you know this is entirely Ralph strand’s uh creative uh
[00:03:00] baby here and this was this was his work but I did work with Ralph to make sure that the trees and the foliage and the
[00:03:07] uh you know basically the floor and the fauna were period correct pre flood you know ancient Earth or pre- Deluge
[00:03:14] however you want to put it and uh you know the amount of pine tar or tree
[00:03:20] pitch not necessarily from pine trees but pitch that no I had to use to cover that boat on the inside and outside
[00:03:27] would have been at an industrial scale and so you imagine what those trees might have looked like and of course
[00:03:33] there’s the the famous mystery of God saying to Noah Build It Out of gopherwood and I have yet to meet the
[00:03:40] person who can really tell me what gopher wood is so let’s just imagine those are gopherwood trees back there so
[00:03:46] we have no idea what they really were some people have speculated it might have been a spruce tree uh that’s
[00:03:52] certainly possible it would have a lot possessive qualities for building a ship like that but gosh When God says you
[00:03:58] shall coat it in inside and outside with pitch he would need a lot of pitch for doing that and of course you can’t use
[00:04:05] it in its raw form it has to be boiled down uh it turn into a liquid hot State then you apply it and it turns into like
[00:04:11] a fiberglass but uh yeah so that’s uh that’s a a great imagination on on Ralph’s part on how to how to build that
[00:04:19] out You’ spent a huge amount of time on um you know the flood and the arc um
[00:04:25] just over the history of your ministry and what you’ve been doing um why do you have such a huge focus on the ark um
[00:04:32] producing other films on the flood and these sorts of things why for you is that such a big Focus man thanks that’s
[00:04:40] a very pointed question and I think uh the answer is is is I’ll give you a very
[00:04:45] surgical clean answer on that and it’s because it’s what converted me uh I was
[00:04:51] saved when I was 11 kind of straight until I was 17 came back to Christ locked in been following him ever since
[00:04:58] went to Seminary and my l years and in seminary they said look if you want to really trust the Hebrew writers of the
[00:05:04] Bible the six days are ordinary days and the Genesis genealogies map back to Adam
[00:05:10] that was just thousands of years ago but if you guys believe in science the Earth has to be millions of years old so you
[00:05:15] guys go figure it out and that really started me in a place of cognitive uh dissonance really interesting well how
[00:05:22] could the Bible say this and science say this and I really didn’t know about the history of Genesis and so it was really
[00:05:28] a puzzling thing for me until about 12 years ago I went to a talk with a guy
[00:05:33] who’s currently the vice president of our ministry at at our church something about like man walk but dinosaurs and I
[00:05:39] went to this this talk just as a skeptic going I can’t believe they let this guy in talk here today at our church he’s
[00:05:45] going to talk about dinosaurs living recently well all we all know that they went extinct 65 million years ago so I
[00:05:52] went to this talk and about halfway through I’m like my gosh this guy’s on to something and look I I’m an I’m an
[00:05:58] expert in the construction of evidence that’s what I did for 20 years as a testifying expert I know what a good
[00:06:04] evidence docket looks like that’s not a boast it’s just like a carpenter saying he knows what a right angle looks like
[00:06:10] that was my world for 20 years and uh and so I got so tail spun by this guy’s
[00:06:16] talk I took a 90-day Hiatus I bought thousands of dollars worth of books and DVDs on Noah’s flood geology and
[00:06:23] dinosaurs those three things and I hit them hard I flew to Canada I flew to Montana and about halfway through that
[00:06:28] research process says I was like oh my gosh I I didn’t become somewhat
[00:06:34] convinced of Noah’s flood in the recency of Earth and creation I became overwhelmingly convinced like this has
[00:06:41] happened and then I learned I had been completely duped by The Narrative of the world and so for me it was like being
[00:06:47] born again again because I came to the realization that if well if Noah’s flood is real and it happened recently then
[00:06:54] you go back less than a couple thousand years and you hit the six days of creation why can’t I swallow that one too you know so it was a huge conversion
[00:07:01] experience for me and that 18inch gap between my mind and my heart snapped into alignment and I didn’t know it but
[00:07:08] I I was out of alignment for years not really knowing how to trust God’s word deeply so every time I would hit those
[00:07:14] passages of scripture and there’s over there’s seven Bible writers that talk about the floods I’ve hit those those
[00:07:21] passages or creation passages and just go skip question mark skip skip skip question mark question mark without
[00:07:27] knowing it but now that I’m I’ve gone through through this conversion process I read God’s word and it has permission
[00:07:33] to leak deeply into my soul because I trust its words all the way back to the beginnings of
[00:07:39] scripture amen I just had a conversation with a gentleman um just this past weekend over this very issue and he was
[00:07:46] he was asking you know how can I know that the Bible is reliable and you know how do I know that it’s iner and
[00:07:52] infallible and and he was uh addressing like Paul’s writings and saying like
[00:07:57] look how do I know they’re inspired how do I know I can trust that what about all the books that are left out and um
[00:08:03] you know when somebody really looks into the flood like you did and everything um how does that affect the rest of
[00:08:10] their view of God’s word you said it allowed it to leak into my soul you know what was preventing that from taking
[00:08:16] place before you accepted um the literal interpretation of you know the flood and
[00:08:22] these sorts of things yeah it was a a distrust of the uh the interpretation of
[00:08:29] God word which parts are allegory which parts are myth which parts are a literal
[00:08:34] narrative and but you know Psalms 1 even starts out this says blessed is the man who believes and trusts in the Torah the
[00:08:42] first five books for he shall be like a tree planted by the streams of water whose leaves are always green and never
[00:08:48] fears in years of drought and I was a I was a droughted plant before I trusted
[00:08:53] in Genesis because now I do trust meditate and Believe on the Torah
[00:08:59] and those early words of scripture are part of the construction of my faith so
[00:09:05] a lot of of of what we call New Testament Christians today are like the squirrel that have spent their whole
[00:09:11] time out on a twig on a part of a leaf on the end of a big giant oak tree and
[00:09:17] then eventually what happened with me is I’m like oh my gosh well this Tri this twig is attached to a branch well let me
[00:09:23] go down the branch and find out what that’s made of wow that’s interesting then well wait a second this branch is a
[00:09:28] TR attached to a trunk and then I go down the trunk I’m like wow the trunk’s got some roots and then you go find what
[00:09:36] the roots are about you’re like oh my gosh there’s a whole picture a tapestry of scripture here that is only complete
[00:09:43] and only comes together as a as as a mosaic if Genesis is Real History look
[00:09:49] Jesus referred back to the Old Testament 42 times in every single time was a historical throwback never did he
[00:09:56] mythologize anything in in the old Old Testament Cain and Abel Adam and Eve the
[00:10:02] the no and the flood that took them all away I mean he he regarded as a history book so when I did that my my roots
[00:10:10] exponentially increased their growth and went straight down deep they went into rocks of
[00:10:16] doubt I love that I love that that’s such a great explanation for how our belief or lack of belief in the Bible
[00:10:24] makes the whole Bible become like a question mark um what you said about what you said said about you’re
[00:10:29] wrestling with whether certain portions are allegory or certain portions are actual history that makes so much sense
[00:10:36] because um if you take a portion of scripture on the flood and you say this
[00:10:43] is you know metaphorical to some extent and yet it speaks the way it speaks is
[00:10:48] narrative then all of a sudden all the narrative portions become questionable is that what you’re saying yeah exactly
[00:10:55] that among amongst other things but for me it was a big issue because I a science-minded guy I’m an analytical guy
[00:11:02] and for for years I would go for bike rides around my area and see these big huge Cliff walls 200 feet tall full of
[00:11:09] Ash and then rounded rocks and then Ash and I would just go where does that fit in the Biblical history and and I was
[00:11:15] just puzzled but after I trusted in Genesis it’s almost like the Lord allowed me to discover to take the cover
[00:11:21] off of something and now I’m a much more grounded person because I’m not fighting
[00:11:27] with God and His word anymore I just I just trust it but for me the key to taking this journey that there was one
[00:11:34] part I had to do because I I I credit God 100% for opening my eyes and my mind to the the truth of Genesis but the one
[00:11:41] part I had to do the key to unlock that door to discovering that Genesis is real
[00:11:46] is I had to come in with the humility of a child I had to just punt on all my
[00:11:52] worldly understandings to say Lord I don’t know what to believe I’ve got I’ve seen all these Natural History Museum
[00:11:59] I’ve watched Nova and History Channel and I’ve been conditioned by different classes and college and everything but I’m just going to put that aside and I’m
[00:12:06] going to trust your word like a child would you please give me the understanding and it was after that that
[00:12:12] metaphorically speaking the Holy Spirit took me on a journey that included trips to Montana and Canada and I’ve seen
[00:12:19] things you can’t unsee like at the Dinosaur Provincial Park up in Canada as far as your eyes can see it’s a 14m
[00:12:25] spance of dead c curan dinosaur is buried with mammals fish and marine life
[00:12:32] 14 miles of them buried under 50 feet of mud and then you think okay Canada is that in that’s in the southern regions
[00:12:41] of Canada it’s called The Dinosaur Provincial Park it’s about a couple hours south of the royal Terrell Museum
[00:12:47] which is the largest dinosaur museum in the world and there’s just stuff there you’re like how much higher did the
[00:12:53] water have to be to to bury these dinosaurs and leave them under 50 fet of
[00:12:58] mud and so you see that and you’re just like okay I’m I’m going to trust this in fact
[00:13:04] we were at that location we won’t get too sidet track but this but fun quick story we were there we’re looking at
[00:13:10] this 30 foot hadra swur that’s right there in situ they left it where they found it it got plexiglass around it
[00:13:16] looks like a dinosaur mummy we were out there was scorching hot it’s an outdoor Museum ex uh uh display so my I was
[00:13:24] there with my daughter Michael and this young man was there about 10 years old and his dad and young man comes up and
[00:13:30] pushes play on the audio button so the mu museum could explain how this dinosaur supposedly got there and the
[00:13:36] play says well millions of years ago there was this dinosaur that booked up to a river and there was a tropical
[00:13:41] storm brewing so it tried to cross the river and tried to swim and then it drowned then another one got up behind it it tried to swim across and then it
[00:13:48] drowned and my daughter just had her Epiphany wakeup moment she’s like Dad that’s ludicrous I can’t believe that as
[00:13:54] far as my eyes can see these things were buried under 50 ft of mud but they’re buried with fish and Marine life and oysters and clams there’s no way some
[00:14:01] local little flood did this and she went on for a few minutes and I was getting kind of embarrassed because the son’s
[00:14:07] the the the dad whose son pushed the play on the museum exhibit he was there the whole time standing awkwardly
[00:14:13] between us there’s no one else around I’m like oh my gosh this guy’s gonna kill me for indoctrinating my daughter
[00:14:19] like this but she has her Epiphany wake up moment we go back to the museum she goes inside and this guy comes out
[00:14:25] walking sideways toward me uh in the in the parking lot it says sir can I speak to you a minute I said sure I’m just
[00:14:32] expecting the lecture and want to fight it with the evolutionist whatever it’s going to be and this guy blew me away he
[00:14:37] said look I’m a licensed geologist and years ago I was a Christian and when I went to my geology
[00:14:44] program and chained trained in uniformitarianism in millions of years I dropped my faith but he said in five
[00:14:51] minutes your daughter has completely convinced me that the biblical worldview is more accurate than what I currently
[00:14:57] believe and I’m coming back to my faith that was amazing and this guy flipped in
[00:15:03] five minutes with with the testimony of a child who looked at this stuff for the
[00:15:08] first time and says you’ve got to be kidding me this this can’t be a local flood so it’s that is what a fantastic
[00:15:15] story yeah it’s life transforming isn’t it yeah well well that just is so true I
[00:15:22] mean I I have the same testimony is that when I first heard this information from a speaker at our church when I was a kid
[00:15:27] in high school I my mind was just going crazy I was like what in the world why
[00:15:34] has nobody told me this before and I was I was like I’ve got to tell everybody
[00:15:39] because this somebody needs to know about this and that kind of lit a fire under me and um I can’t I’m so excited
[00:15:47] for what your movie is going to do because um the amount of people that are you’re going to reach I was just talking to a friend of mine and he said uh the
[00:15:53] theater’s sold out and where he’s at he can’t even get a ticket they’re all sold out so tell us a little bit more the
[00:15:59] movies coming out this week March 20th and 21st um tell us about how you got this in the theaters and and what people
[00:16:05] can do to get tickets if there’s any left yeah so that that is a concern ticket sales are we just got the report
[00:16:11] this morning is 51,000 and growing and there are a number of theaters that have sold out however if you just call your
[00:16:17] theater and say look at sold out can you add an additional Showtime the theater near me that’s what they’ve done they
[00:16:22] started with two showings they added nine more so now they’re up to 11 showings in over those two days so they
[00:16:28] will do that that if you just call the the theater they have no problem adding additional showings usually because they’re authorized to show it on those
[00:16:34] two days March 20th and 21st but we’re there is a lot of spillover so we’re
[00:16:39] requesting that people just go to nois flood.com sign up for our newsletter there because um I’m I’m sworn to
[00:16:47] secrecy but I can tell you that if if ticket sales are strong they will put on
[00:16:53] encour Encore showings and ticket sales have been strong so you guys can figure
[00:16:58] it out but we’re driving everybody to the theater March 20th and 21st but we’re we’re really hoping for some
[00:17:04] Encore showings and even after the Encore showings people will be able to buy tickets or or or buy uh buy DVDs and
[00:17:12] watch it on streaming platforms uh 30 days after so April 21st and and
[00:17:17] following but I encourage people to go see this in the big uh on the big screen
[00:17:24] really for just a five minute clip the whole thing is great to see on on a bigger screen but don’t get up out of
[00:17:30] your seat at minute 35 when the flood commencement scene happens it is
[00:17:36] breathtaking it is Goosebump level breathtaking Ralph stren is probably the
[00:17:41] best visual effect guy in the creation space even beyond that the work that
[00:17:46] he’s done for that three minute scene is is killer so make sure you go see it in the theaters for that reason and if you
[00:17:53] can’t see the March 20th and 21st showing hopefully it’ll come back uh come back to the theater shortly after
[00:17:59] so that that was another question I was going to ask you you know because you’ve already made um you know some films on
[00:18:05] the flood and there have been quite a few films made on the flood um and you
[00:18:12] know they’re secular as well as as well as uh Christian films made um what sets
[00:18:17] this movie apart why you know somebody might think well I’ve already seen so many films about the flood why why do I
[00:18:23] need to see another one um what what would you say to somebody what is the what is the difference that this film brings to the big screen yeah so so this
[00:18:31] is a bold but it’s really an accurate statement is that this is the most biblically accurate photorealistic work
[00:18:37] on Noah flood ever to hit the theater in history and that’s that’s just true that’s just what it is it’s the way we
[00:18:43] framed it we worked two and a half years to do it uh Ralph worked on this tirelessly for thousands of hours
[00:18:49] literally over the last two and a half three years to get this thing out and we work with 11 of the leading experts on
[00:18:56] the flood from Answers in Genesis and Liberty University and other institutions and we nailed it we
[00:19:03] absolutely nailed what happened with Noah’s flood in the 1990s the panel of six phds absolutely turned the key to
[00:19:12] unlock the true history with what happens with Noah’s flood on catastrophic PL tectonics they’ve got
[00:19:18] the mechanics down they know how it happened there there’s there’s not a doubt in my mind that we have uncovered
[00:19:24] for the first time on big screen the mechanics behind how it how it happened
[00:19:29] the Bible of course lays it out Chron chronologically it talks about what happened after 7 Days 40 days 150 days
[00:19:36] that Earth dried out then you know it’s got the whole narrative in there of the of the timeline so we follow that to a
[00:19:43] te in fact anwers and Genesis gave us an endorsement on the flood content of this movie and I don’t know anybody else
[00:19:50] who’s received that endorsement again not a boast at all it’s just what we tried to do I wouldn’t have done it any
[00:19:56] other way um there were some things that we had to shorten and some Corners that we had to cut but not with respect to
[00:20:02] the biblical representation we could have spent another two years just doing
[00:20:08] enhanced animations but we really needed to get this film into the theaters we we felt and we did and so it’s it’s
[00:20:15] exciting in that way yeah that is fantastic I I think um
[00:20:20] you know like like you said it the the evidence for the flood really impacted you I know it impacted me and then you
[00:20:27] just told that story while impacted people and I have students every year that um when when I share this
[00:20:32] information with them they’re just blown away and I had a kid just the other day say oh that that changed my life and um
[00:20:40] it’s just amazing and so you’ve been working with a lot a lot of U people over over time besides the movie what is
[00:20:47] Genesis apologetics doing um in order to you know impact people’s lives in this way what other educational opportunities
[00:20:54] are there for people to um you know get involved with Genesis apologetics yeah so so the the two things that set apart
[00:21:01] our ministry make us unique is that we are student focused and we’re free we
[00:21:07] put out all of our stuff for free our books are downloadable our videos can be uh can be seen for free and everything
[00:21:12] but we’re trying to meet today’s youth where they are on their phones 6.7 hours a day and that’s how a lot of people
[00:21:19] rely uh as a tool and as a medium for assembling their worldview and their knowledge Network on how they see the
[00:21:26] the the the world so we put out all of our resources free we’ve got over 21 million views on YouTube I think 178,000
[00:21:33] subscribers our ministry really specializes in putting out short compelling videos usually 5 to 15
[00:21:40] minutes on tough relevant topic that all map back to Genesis 1 to 11 we we love
[00:21:46] and work cooperatively with the the bigger brick and mortar Ministries like Answers in Genesis and and icr uh and
[00:21:53] the like and they’re also coming out with some great YouTube content and everything too so that’s that’s really
[00:21:59] our emphasis is we we’ve got a lot of materials we’ve got our Student Zone for k through eight graders we’ve got our
[00:22:04] debunking Evolution program for fifth to fifth to 10th graders and we’ve got our debunking the seven myths program for
[00:22:11] 11th graders and up and then we’ve got the rest of our content for for everyone else so that’s a unique thing about our
[00:22:19] ministry well um I think that that’s a fantastic so um are you if somebody
[00:22:26] wants to get involved with Genesis apologetics is there a way they can get involved with it um or do you how can
[00:22:33] they be involved in what you’re doing and uh if they have a passion for you know Ming to people with the flood
[00:22:38] absolutely we we work uh cooperatively with people who do training like in in
[00:22:43] museums we work work uh with the International Association for creation to put trainers inside of secular
[00:22:50] history you SEC like natural history museums to go on there and do uh tours through museums from a Biblical
[00:22:56] worldview uh we could ALS o use help from visual effects or visual artist folks um uh we have speakers that will
[00:23:05] take a lot of our material and go use it people who want to distribute our books and things of that nature so we’re
[00:23:11] really a network of volunteers we have one single employee on our staff who’s paid the rest of us are are just
[00:23:17] volunteer so we’ll take as much help as we can get and we we also work with volunteers or contract out with people
[00:23:23] who attend conferences and hand out our books but we we give out everything for free we’ll go to to Church conferences
[00:23:30] with hundreds of pounds of books and just give them out I I think there’s a sense of urgency that our our ministry
[00:23:36] has because look in the state of California for example teenagers are not just getting exposed to Evolution
[00:23:41] teaching they’re drowning in it before they graduate high school they will have received 250 pages of evolution
[00:23:48] curriculum teaching over 50 required classroom hours so at best and this is
[00:23:54] not an exaggeration at best Christian students who attend public Public School are going to graduate as theistic
[00:24:01] evolutionists and that has huge implications with how they view the character of God the death before sin
[00:24:07] issue uh and how they view others how they even how they view race groups are
[00:24:13] tied back to their perspectives on Origins so there’s a lot of dangers to The evolutionary ideas and our ministry
[00:24:20] goes uh you know straight after them with creation teaching yeah I had a student who one
[00:24:26] time came to me he was um at a public school and he told me that uh when he went he went to do a research paper and
[00:24:33] they even gave him the option to do um Evolution versus creation but then when he went to do the research they told him
[00:24:40] you you have to use our database and their particular database had not a single procreation article so it was
[00:24:47] almost as if he was forced into a position where he had to advocate for evolution because there were those were
[00:24:53] the you couldn’t you couldn’t write a paper that didn’t have citations and the only places he could site were
[00:24:58] evolutionary pro-evolution articles so he couldn’t he couldn’t go to you know Genesis apologetics or any other
[00:25:04] creation site so um that’s absolutely true what you’re saying yeah and it’s
[00:25:10] it’s important they have huge implications on how people view the world their Outlook how they live their
[00:25:16] lives because look the Bible has no authoritative place to be instructive or even a guide book in our lives if it’s a
[00:25:22] myth mythological tale if it’s not scientifically or historically credible or viable people know that they can just
[00:25:29] pick and choose all the cart whatever theology they want from it and live their lives accordingly so the Bible’s
[00:25:35] going to be authoritative if it’s based on real history and so a lot of students nowadays are like look if I if I got to
[00:25:42] keep flipping pages of Genesis just tell me when I run into the truth you know where does the truth start and so we say
[00:25:49] it begins with page one and it has big implications on how people live out their lives 100% I had a student who
[00:25:57] again another example was a go into youth group and he was at a he was at a public high school he was learning
[00:26:03] evolution in the school he’d be taught Genesis in the youth group and then he
[00:26:08] said wait a second this is science the evolution is science this is just you know the Bible it’s just a story and uh
[00:26:15] he was he said he was walking away from Christianity he ended up transferring to um the Christian School that I teach at
[00:26:22] we we I went through the the whole creation thing with him and he said Mr Conover you you really um um saved my
[00:26:30] Christianity in a sense because I saw how everything made sense scientifically
[00:26:35] and I realized this wasn’t just a story I had just not been taught the other side uh you know other than Evolution
[00:26:42] that’s all I had to think was science yeah so gosh you know there’s so many stories like that that story times
[00:26:49] thousands so yeah it’s a big deal yes yeah so so what is um are you going to
[00:26:55] be producing more movies is your goal to produce is that your vision to produce more movies like this um or you know do
[00:27:01] you have a vision and and this again might might might scare or make some of your listeners uh uncomfortable but I’m a
[00:27:08] very conservative reformed uh believer I I I I believe in the Holy Spirit who
[00:27:14] works in but the Bible says that God lives in you and to live and to Will and to act according to his good purpose and
[00:27:20] coming from the business world I had to really relinquish a lot of control coming into the ministry world so I try
[00:27:27] to really let the Lord guide and direct our ministry the Bible says unless the Lord builds the house you’re going to
[00:27:33] labor in vain and I don’t want to do that I don’t want to you know grab this ministry and say we’re going to go here
[00:27:39] and do this but so we do try to allow the Lord to direct and guide our ministry so the next two things I have
[00:27:46] in cue uh would be we’re working on a uh a very well researched piece on dragons
[00:27:53] and as substantiating the fact that the dragons that came from history and lore and and and all the different stories
[00:28:00] and accounts around the world many of them were drawn from True accounts of of dinosaurs that were living after the
[00:28:07] flood and then after that we’re going to T tackle the Nephilim Topic in a very
[00:28:12] fair and balanced way um and so those are the the two new things we feel very
[00:28:17] strongly to to tackle and then we’ll we’ll see what happens there so we we do want to keep doing movies maybe uh once
[00:28:23] every other year come out with a movie so those will be long plays but the short play plays are the dragon video
[00:28:30] and uh and addressing the Nephilim that’s fantastic um so for
[00:28:36] those of you who are just tuning in my guest today is Dan B Dr Dan Biddle and uh he’s with Genesis apologetics if
[00:28:42] you’re interested in checking out um the film you can go to Noah’s arc.com you
[00:28:48] can also go to Genesis apologetics docomo is coming out this week it’s
[00:28:55] coming out uh March 20th and 2 first in over a thousand theaters and it’s a
[00:29:00] great opportunity to invite a friend right it’s a non-threatening environment take take somebody to check it out who’s
[00:29:06] a skeptic or hasn’t really thought it through or is kind of in between or wherever they’re at it’s a great
[00:29:11] opportunity to share the gospel the gospel is presented in the movie too uh Dan is that correct yes our our movies
[00:29:18] probably 85% flood content and then the last 50% would be sandwich between a a a
[00:29:25] light pitch on end times judgment the theme of the Judgment coming as well as
[00:29:31] the gospel presentation so yeah that’s how we close the movie down if somebody
[00:29:36] were to um you know you’ve got 50 questions on your website the 50 questions most common questions I think
[00:29:43] that’s a great resource for people just to be able to look at that and get quick answers um to very common questions that
[00:29:51] have to do with you know when people say how is the flood uh scientifically plausible um what for you is one of the
[00:29:56] favorite favorites to talk about or let’s say you had a FIV minute presentation and somebody said give me the best evidence there is for the flood
[00:30:04] um what would you decide to talk about uh to share with somebody that’s easy um
[00:30:11] uh when I was working as an expert witness you know you had maybe 15 minutes to go up there and present your
[00:30:16] case and so the attorneys would always uh reduce the evidence to what’s called Salient points or the Fatal flaws of the
[00:30:24] other side and and I can make a very profound but correct statement here on your show today that if if we were to
[00:30:30] just go back 50 years to the 1970s it is a correct statement to say that the
[00:30:36] consensus view in secular paleontology that 100% of secular
[00:30:41] trained paleontologists would would say yes to the statement dinosaur bones are
[00:30:46] fossilized impressions of what used to be bone but they’re 100% per mineralized rock that was the predominant view 50
[00:30:54] years ago everybody thought it you go to science textbook you go to lectures you go to lecture notes you go to to
[00:31:00] dinosaur museums uh that was the view pitched 50 years ago but did you know
[00:31:06] that now in 2024 zero of a 100 paleontologists can make that statement
[00:31:12] because since the 1970s there’s been over a hundred peer-reviewed scientific journals in scientific literature not
[00:31:19] creation literature that have substantiated 16 different types of bioorganic tissues found in dinosaur
[00:31:26] bones through all layers Triassic Jurassic Cretaceous and and this stuff
[00:31:32] can’t be contamination it’s not an artifact it it’s these are are real
[00:31:37] bones and inside the real bones are real tissues like FS histones proteins red
[00:31:43] blood cells blood vessels osteocytes collagen all these things there’s no way can be millions of years old and so the
[00:31:50] the the secular Community is still reeling trying to find rescuing devices with that and they’ve come up for with a
[00:31:55] few of them but when you step back and look at this like oh my gosh are you telling me there’s been a 180 degree
[00:32:02] flip in what paleontologists can say about dinosaur bones 50 years ago they’re all hardened rocks that used to
[00:32:09] be bones and now they’re bones that have soft tissues like come on you know it
[00:32:16] perfectly fits our worldview it perfectly fits our framework for the evidence because it’s amazing that some
[00:32:22] of these bones are still as fresh as they are even after 4 and a half thousand years and then the second thing would the extent of the dinosaur record
[00:32:30] if you look at just the morison formation in the middle of America I mean did you know that 1 of America 20%
[00:32:37] is made up of this thing called a Morrison formation Jurassic layers it’s a 300 foot thick mud pancake that
[00:32:44] spreads out over 600,000 square miles 13 interconnected States and it’s stuffed
[00:32:50] with dead dinosaurs and they’re mixed with marine life how do you do that how do you bury 13 states of dead dinosaurs
[00:32:58] Wix with fish and not have a worldwide flood with a small flood right with a
[00:33:03] little river that over flowed yeah with a little river that overflowed so so that that for me would be the copy talk
[00:33:09] conversation about you in five minutes you can cover well dinosaurs provide evidence for the flood of both a small
[00:33:15] microscopic perspective and a large broad perspective that’s fantastic um so what
[00:33:23] kind of um so so did you have any pre-release showings or anything like that that uh for people or is this all
[00:33:29] just coming out March 20th 21st we did you know we were really blessed the fathom allowed us to have two
[00:33:34] pre-screenings one was done at a local Christian school so we got to show it to about 400 high school students and maybe
[00:33:40] 150 middle schoolers they took it over very well they even saw a a pre-release
[00:33:46] version where the sound wasn’t mastered we didn’t have 60 of the b-roll footages in there but they they really seem to
[00:33:52] enjoy it but I can also say their perception was it’s a it’s heavy it’s a heavy movie it’s an intense movie but
[00:33:59] it’s extremely watchable because the Brilliance of our producer and director Ralph strm what he does is he’ll take
[00:34:05] you right up to the edge of your seat with with with uh you know Talking Heads experts where you say oh my gosh I’m
[00:34:12] gonna tap out I can’t stand this anymore I’m gonna kids kids are gonna be going for their Instagram account then wait a
[00:34:17] second right when you can’t bury anymore woo there’s a flying pterodactyl on the on the screen that goes for a minute you
[00:34:23] know so if you can track the the attention span he knows how to we weave it together because we’ve got about
[00:34:29] onethird talking experts on on this movie then about onethird high quality
[00:34:35] CGI and oneir what we call a lab room where people are taking into this visually Rich environment while the
[00:34:41] narrator goes over some some Concepts and everything so it was neat doing that pre-screening and then we have an annual
[00:34:47] Genesis conference that we had about 700 people sign up for this year and they all got to see a prescreening of the
[00:34:53] movie too and really good feedback I I I’ve been I’ve been very impressed with the feedback but my own take of the
[00:35:00] movie is that uh it is intense and it does take a strong stance on young Earth
[00:35:06] and I understand that that a lot of people particularly in California they’re not ready for that they might get turned off by that or whatever but
[00:35:14] look the neat thing about the flood and why I found it so instrumental in my life is it will force that issue on
[00:35:19] someone if you go local flood there’s certain things you have to exclude and Blacklist out from scripture and certain
[00:35:26] things that you just can’t trust from from from scripture and uh and but the thing that did it for me is when you
[00:35:33] look at the at the line the descending life spans of people who lived an average of 912 years before the flood
[00:35:39] and then Shem lived 600 years then payle 239 then Abraham 175 and the Moses 120
[00:35:47] there’s there’s a exponential power law curve that declines along a very
[00:35:52] predictable slope that scientists would call a biological Decay curve so if you Des grab that line it’s evidence that
[00:35:59] connects the very characters the lead you know Patriarchs in Scripture that go
[00:36:05] back to the people who lived before the flood because you can’t all all these lifespans without those guys being
[00:36:11] connected to the people who were living longer and it’s amazing proof and and so
[00:36:16] for me it’s a huge it’s a scientific verification of a younger Narrative of the Bible so you really can’t go two
[00:36:23] ways with the movie so we do take a we box the movie in in that framework and I
[00:36:29] understand that a lot of Christians are still on a truth Journey they’ve got Progressive creation and GAP Theory and
[00:36:35] all kinds of stuff all kinds of different views and uh but but but for us it was very we’re very we’re all
[00:36:42] convicted of the of the younger time frame so we do hold to that perspective but some viewers are G to are going to
[00:36:48] get turned off by that and uh so we we approach that with with Grace um you
[00:36:54] know everyone’s on their truth walk I can’t convince someone of those things I think those of us who are saved the
[00:37:00] spirit will lead you into truth but you have to be humble and willing to follow that
[00:37:06] Journey absolutely that’s great I love it I I mean that’s that’s my favorite thing about it I love uh you know
[00:37:13] sitting down I I went to a a darwinian Evolution uh seminar just for fun just
[00:37:18] because I wanted to go sit and see what if there was some people saying something I wasn’t aware of and and I just said right up front hey everybody I
[00:37:25] just want you to know I’m a young Earth creationist and I just I’m here to to just chat if
[00:37:30] anybody wants to chat and I’m here to learn what you have to say and all their mouths just dropped to the ground they
[00:37:35] were like what are you do what are you doing here what are you doing I can’t believe this I know yeah one lady goes
[00:37:41] you’re very brave coming here and uh I was like should I fear should I be afraid for my life
[00:37:46] like but what I love about it is um there were people there that just they wanted to know they were so interested
[00:37:53] they had never talked to somebody and I think a lot of people for a lot of people they just don’t even know they don’t even know that the scientific
[00:37:58] evidence is there and so they’ve never even had a shot at actually evaluating
[00:38:03] the information and making an informed decision and so that’s what you’re really giving an opportunity to do is is
[00:38:10] hear a clear concise case for um the truth of the Bible so I think it’s
[00:38:16] amazing and you know the other thing with that is I think it’s important at least from my perspective that we we
[00:38:21] approach it with humility because um I I went through a a a downtime couple years
[00:38:27] ago got rocked by Co and my brother passed away a lot of things happened like right before this film the film
[00:38:33] idea kind of came to us and uh it’s it’s in that state of being down and humble
[00:38:38] it’s this is completely metaphorical but it’s as if God and I had a conversation
[00:38:44] where the Lord was was ushering me to say hey son why are you a young Earth
[00:38:49] creationist is it because you’re smart uh no is it because you like evidence uh
[00:38:54] no how about because I gifted you with that understanding because faith is a gift from God and I went through a huge
[00:39:02] transformation because I used to have a little crass view towards old Earth Creations it’s like oh my gosh look at
[00:39:07] those compromisers can’t believe that look at that you know they’re caving out on God’s word and taking those positions
[00:39:13] but then I realized wow I’ve received a gift to believe but for the grace of God I would believe all kinds of different
[00:39:20] things but I have absolutely no doubt that young Earth ISM I guess if you will
[00:39:25] is is true I’d have a scrap of doubt and I I know it to be true and but that was
[00:39:31] a gift from the Lord to take me on that Journey up to Montana and Canada so it was a realization and so I now I hold it
[00:39:38] over no one I said look your walk with Christ and Truth is between you and the Holy Spirit I’m happy to help please
[00:39:44] look at our resource and everything else but I’m not going to get in some fist shaking angry argument with people about
[00:39:50] the age of the Earth and everything especially in California you’ll be iced you won’t even have a platform to to
[00:39:56] talk and so we we vigorously hold that position but we understand gracefully
[00:40:03] and with Mercy that people are on their own journey and they’re they they can’t
[00:40:09] be talked into it unless they’re ripe and ready for it and I believe theologically it takes God to know God
[00:40:16] and our ministry is more about equipping Believers than it is about flipping and converting Skeptics because first I
[00:40:22] think you need to have a regenerate Spirit at 2 Corinthians 4:4 says the God of this world is BL blinded the eyes of
[00:40:28] the unbelievers so they cannot see the the truth of the Gospel so until that’s done until the spirits regenerate
[00:40:34] they’re going to remain under the LIE they’re going to remain in darkness and and so when the Holy Spirit regenerates
[00:40:40] someone then they’ll be able to see the truth and because they’re so steeped in the world’s ideas they’re not going to
[00:40:46] get saved in the next day go now I’m a young Earth creationist you know it’s a journey and and I want to help people
[00:40:51] through that lovingly because it’s it was through a gift of God that I’m able to see uh the truth about scripture
[00:40:59] so oh thanks for sharing that Dan that’s a wonderful message and I think that’s absolutely the truth uh is that the
[00:41:06] Bible tells us to be always uh you know seasoned with Grace uh truth seasoned
[00:41:11] with Grace and we’re to be humble and and um with gentleness and respect right
[00:41:16] so yeah amen that ultimately is what wins people’s hearts is the love of God and his kindness so um for those of you
[00:41:24] who got to tune in this evening uh Dr Dan Biddle noas flood.com and Genesis
[00:41:31] apologetics docomo movie theater you can find it uh
[00:41:38] the Ark Ark and the Darkness March 20th and 21st that’s this week and uh if your theater doesn’t have it give them a call
[00:41:44] and ask them to um start showing it it’s a a wonderful opportunity a great thing to do with you and your friends and uh
[00:41:51] it I think it’ll be a huge blessing to everyone and Dan I am really excited thank you for all the hard work you put
[00:41:57] into this and just um doing your best to be obedient to the Lord’s call on what you’re supposed to do so that’s blessing
[00:42:04] you too brother I’ve have been following your ministry for a while and you did great work so uh are you still in
[00:42:09] California yeah yeah I’m down here in Sano I’m out we’re one of the one of the hold Downs H okay that’s great exactly
[00:42:17] yep yep yeah so thanks again and I look forward to seeing the movie myself Dan so great um we’ll have to catch up again
[00:42:24] in in the future when you come out with another movie sounds good thank you very much guys it’s been great thanks for having me okay God bless you have a
[00:42:31] great night God bless all right you too than again for those of you who tuned in educate forlife.org is my website you
[00:42:36] can check out all the classes and stuff I have available up there all great stuff for homeschooling co-ops Bible
[00:42:42] studies fantastic uh way to strengthen your walk with God and um see more of the evidence for the truth of God’s word
[00:42:49] we’ll be back again um in the upcoming weeks we’ve got a whole bunch of amazing shows lined up uh including two doctors
[00:42:56] that were not Christians they were atheists two doctors they stumbled into a church service uh kind of through
[00:43:03] their persuasion of their kids and um they ended up coming to Christ and now
[00:43:08] are missionaries abroad and um love telling people about Jesus and how he changed their hearts and uh showed the
[00:43:16] evidence for the truth of the Bible so that’s going to be really exciting too we’ll see you guys next next time have a
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