How the Dinosaurs Really Went Extinct with Dr. Tim Clarey

[00:00:00] thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin conver and you’re listening to educate for Life radio we’re broadcasting down here in Southern

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[00:00:21] today we’re going to be talking about what actually happened to the dinosaurs there’s a lot of people that wonder how

[00:00:27] dinosaurs actually fit into the Bible uh how does that all work are they millions

[00:00:32] of years old did they go extinct U millions of years ago or do they fit

[00:00:38] into a six day creation um and did they go extinct recently and what does the evidence tell us which which way does

[00:00:44] the evidence lean do we have more evidence for my guest today is Dr Tim Clary he received a master of science

[00:00:50] and geology in 1984 from the University of Wyoming he has a master of science in

[00:00:55] hydrogeology uh from in 1993 from Western Michigan University and also PhD in geology in 1996 from Western Michigan

[00:01:03] University from 1984 to 1992 he worked as an exploration geologist at Chevron

[00:01:09] USA developing oil drilling prospects and analyzing assets and Lease purchases

[00:01:14] he was full professor and geosciences chair at Delta College in Michigan for

[00:01:20] 17 years before leaving in 2013 to join icr and he has published many papers and

[00:01:28] books on a variety of subjects including two College laboratory books and uh Dr

[00:01:33] Clary thanks for being with us again oh it’s a pleasure it’s great to be back absolutely uh I’m excited to talk about

[00:01:39] this I know um this is another one of your areas of exper expertise you have a

[00:01:44] big focus on uh the flood and the evidence for the flood from geology um but then also you um have have put a lot

[00:01:53] of focus on uh dinosaurs and what happened to them quick question for you

[00:01:58] from a geology perspective you know I think a lot of people they don’t immediately make the connection between

[00:02:03] geology and uh dinosaurs tell us a little bit about that why you’ve also

[00:02:08] decided to focus your attention on dinosaurs well every every everybody likes dinosaurs growing up and everybody

[00:02:15] kind of loses you know they go off in their careers and they forget about you know dinosaurs a little bit and their kids end up knowing more about dinosaurs

[00:02:21] than they do or their grandkids know about more about dinosaurs but I’ve always had the love of fossils as a

[00:02:26] geologist you always have to take a paleontology class you somewhere along in your preparation so you learn a

[00:02:32] little bit about pentology you learn a little bit mostly the invertebrates or the things that didn’t have backbones

[00:02:37] like the seashells and things like that and then but a few of us get a chance to do dinosaurs so and I went back after

[00:02:43] getting laid off and get my PhD and teaching at a college I decided to start a little dinosaur class that just

[00:02:49] started with two credits and it became a three credit and a four credit class so I had to write the lab book for it I

[00:02:54] just an introductory dinosaur class so I got funding to actually do some digs I go to Wyoming I went to Montana I dug

[00:03:00] with Jack herner’s crew for a week the last week they were we were staying Native American TPS and things it was

[00:03:07] the last week was at egg Mountain which is a one of the sites where he found some of the first eggs in the United States for dinosaurs but I didn’t really

[00:03:14] you know get a chance to talk to about my beliefs in creationism or anything like that I was just learning the techniques so learning how where

[00:03:20] dinosaurs are found and and that sort of thing so it’s it’s kind of a good you know fit between gey and pentology

[00:03:28] because you really you you have sometimes you have to be able to identify certain fossils to kind of know what rock layers you’re you’re working

[00:03:34] in and so it’s it’s kind of a natural thing that’s fantastic so um layout for

[00:03:39] our listeners um what is the the current Paradigm regarding dinosaurs as far as

[00:03:45] uh when you go to university when you go to a university classroom and you’re studying things like paleontology or

[00:03:51] geology and you’re outside of the creation sphere what is the Paradigm um

[00:03:57] the the thesis for uh the secular World well you see you really see it in the movies and the TV shows and it’s it’s

[00:04:05] really portraying that dinosaurs are birds dinosaurs evolved into birds and they became Birds somehow so when you’re

[00:04:10] eating a Thanksgiving dinner you’re really eating a dinosaur as what some of the pists have actually said so apparently they taste like turkey or

[00:04:16] taste like chicken but they probably tasted more like alligator but that’s just side not but that’s what you see

[00:04:23] they also betr them as warm-blooded and I’m not sure if there there’s strong enough evidence to support that they may

[00:04:28] actually be cold blooded I won’t be able to get into that tonight uh there’s strong there’s some pretty good ones that they were cold blooded reptiles but

[00:04:35] they walk differently than most reptiles that are around today and that’s what made them different we’ll talk a bit about that I think in my abbreviated

[00:04:42] talk they’re also putting feathers on them they’re throwing they’re making them warm-blooded and making them feathered because that’s how you make it

[00:04:48] into a bird H but they’re forgetting a lot of things they’re forgetting certain things we’ll talk about tonight uh in in

[00:04:54] this talk this afternoon there’s some key uh Anatomy issues especially in the

[00:05:01] hips and some other things I’ll talk about t that shows that dinosaurs are not Birds but that’s what you’re going

[00:05:06] to see dinosaurs they’re actually say birds they evoled into birds and a lot of it’s because they have no ancestor to

[00:05:12] birds and the ironic thing is they have no ancestors to the dinosaurs they don’t know where the dinosaurs came from so

[00:05:18] they you know act like all you know we all we know everything don’t argue with us where the you know paleontologist of

[00:05:24] the world but yet they really don’t know where anything comes from trial bites any fossil all the whole record but they

[00:05:31] do try to claim that dinosaurs turned into birds and actually are birds so for those of you who are

[00:05:37] listening um Dr Clary has some great slides to share with us you know what

[00:05:42] they say a picture is worth a thousand words so uh if you want to bring that up Dr Clary we’d love to see what you have

[00:05:48] to share with us yeah sure now Kevin some of these slides aren’t great I’m just want to warn you now some of them are good some them aren’t great but we

[00:05:54] we’ll give it a world so you want to go through I’ll go through my talk and what I’ll do you can stop me anywhere along

[00:05:59] the line but I’ll talk a little bit about what dinosaurs are and why they’re not birds why I don’t think they are briefly but then I’m going to eventually

[00:06:05] get to that Extinction question so we don’t want to you know we can we can kind of work our way through that as well so I’m going to start out with what the Bible says once I get sharing here

[00:06:13] and we’ll see how it goes I’m going start the slideshow I can get this going okay so

[00:06:19] I’ve abbreviated talk and this basically this first one basically says what’s the Bible say about dinosaurs and now we’ll

[00:06:25] see later the dinosaurs were never you the word isn’t using the Bible because the word dinosaur wasn’t phased or

[00:06:32] coined until 1841 by Sir Richard Owen as King James

[00:06:37] version of course was translated in 1611 when it was finished I believe and so you never see the word dinosaur but you

[00:06:43] do see the Beast of the earth and so God didn’t name everything but he did say God made the Beast of the Earth according to His Kind on day six so the

[00:06:49] land animals that walked whereas birds were made on day five flying and fing animals on day five so you can’t really

[00:06:57] mix dinosaurs and birds as easily as the evolutionist try to do and then also says the dinosaurs are created plants

[00:07:03] and so every beast of the earth it says I’ve given every green herb for food in the King James and so that means that

[00:07:09] all all animals humans Adam and Eve included were supposed to eat only plants there was supposed to be no

[00:07:15] shedding of blood and it wasn’t until after Adam and Eve sin that then there was a shedding of blood even to make the

[00:07:20] first coverings for Adam and Eve that God made for him but they even T-Rex had to eat plants and and I think the reason

[00:07:26] we see dinosaurs so orderly buried in the flood and so consistent in every continent it’s because they lived in

[00:07:32] orderly elevation areas certain dinosaurs lived at a lower elevation with certain plants that they ate other

[00:07:38] dinosa lived a little bit higher maybe just a few hundred feet higher at certain plants that they ate almost like going up the side of a mountain today in

[00:07:44] Costa Rica the elevation changes determine the types of plants you’re going to see and so that’s I think the

[00:07:50] way that God made the world that’s why we see a fairly consistent order to the fossils which to me implies a global

[00:07:57] flood also dinosur were on the ark people wonder about that I I think the answer is yes because God didn’t exclude

[00:08:03] anything in Genesis 620 and 21 he says creatures that moved it on the ground two of every kind and the food for those

[00:08:10] so he brought the plant food as he went along on it and then in Genesis 7:21 again he doesn’t exclude any animals

[00:08:16] everything on land perished they had the breath of life so all birds all land animals that had to breathe air they all

[00:08:23] died by day 150 of the flood and so there’s no exclusions here so dinosaurs were on the Earth and

[00:08:30] dinosaurs many of them died in the flood but some were preserved obviously as we talked about so we did the math actually

[00:08:36] at icr uh about six seven years ago my colleague Jeff Dr Jeff Tomkins and I

[00:08:42] found a database of dinosaurs and dinosaur bones and we went through weeded out all the birds and end up with

[00:08:49] 350 dinosaurs and did the math and this is the average size the average adult size was about the size of a the

[00:08:56] American Bison the but the size on The Arc probably would have been smaller God probably didn’t bring full siiz you know

[00:09:03] huge sorop pods huge long neck dinosaurs he probably would have bought juveniles on the Erica and there’s only only about

[00:09:09] 60 kinds of dinosaurs there’s a lot of variety lots and lots of variety God you’re just like in humanity we can look

[00:09:16] see this you know people a lot of people have different shapes to their skulls and they have you know wider skull

[00:09:21] longer skull eyes are in different spots you know what but all those little differences are what paleontologists look at and go oh this is a new species

[00:09:28] because his eyes are closer or this or that and so it’s a lot of splitting we call it imp pentology to name these

[00:09:34] species and if they name a new species of course then they get a publication and you get potential for funding so

[00:09:40] it’s all about publishing you know they say in college it’s publish or perish as you’re a professor and that’s it’s

[00:09:45] really funding or Parish but you need to publish to get funding as well but there’s really 60 kinds I think some of

[00:09:50] the other creation Ministries might say 70 or 80 but there’s really not that many that you would need to bring on the

[00:09:56] arc as juveniles particular so again here’s I mentioned dinosaur is defined by this happy looking

[00:10:01] man this is this is what Kevin Kevin gives me this look once in a while when I’m

[00:10:07] talking every time every time I see this guy it makes me think of like a vampire movie or something I’m like it almost

[00:10:13] looks had to hold the pose I guess for a while and guess like a passport photo they said don’t smile or something I’m

[00:10:19] not sure why but yeah they never look spend a lot of time a lot of time indoors too he looks very pale yeah

[00:10:26] that’s that is true so I think I mentioned this earlier what makes a dinosaur different than the reptiles today and lizards is that dinosaurs walk

[00:10:33] upright or walk erect what you call so they have holes in their hips almost every dinosaur except for a few the

[00:10:40] little tank looking ankylosaurs had holes in their hips where the where the femur socket would go in unlike us we

[00:10:47] just have kind of a a more of a SLO our isn’t doesn’t have a hole that goes all the way through so this is called an

[00:10:53] acetabulum which I’m just learning about myself and it’s that’s what makes dinosaurs different than Birds even

[00:10:59] birds don’t have completely open holes for their hips but we’ll get back to that a little later I have a question

[00:11:05] about that Dr CL um so you know I’ve heard some people say that uh crocodiles

[00:11:11] or alligators or even like the kodo dragon are just dinosaurs that haven’t gone extinct and so they can’t they

[00:11:18] can’t call them uh dinosaurs because that would ruin the Paradigm um is that

[00:11:23] valid or because I’m I’m looking at the the the way that a lizard walks versus

[00:11:29] the way dinosaur walks would that make a kodo dragon not a not a potential

[00:11:34] dinosaur correct they actually you know they can kind of rare up like Al ears can kind of RAR up a little bit but their hips do come out to the side a

[00:11:40] little bit even if it’s an angle they may not be fully out to the side but they do come out to the side and kind of

[00:11:46] slope downward and so they don’t really walk truly like a dinosaur would walk so they have reptilian skin they’re cold

[00:11:53] blooded which I think dinosaurs were although a lot of conventional scientists as we talked earlier think

[00:11:59] that’s not the case they think T could steam up Windows like they show in the movies I don’t believe they actually could I think they were cold blooded so

[00:12:05] they’re very similar but you wouldn’t really call them dinosaurs even though they’re found in the same Rock layers you find crocodiles with Dinosaurs all

[00:12:11] these animals lived in the same sort of Swampy Wetland type areas in the pre flood world so we find them together

[00:12:17] mixed in there as well and so it it makes it even more confusing for the you know the general population who may not

[00:12:23] know the true definition of a dinosaur so so when you when I’m looking at this picture this image here you’ve got the I

[00:12:29] know um walking in a much more upright stance like you’re saying versus sprawling um what about like um you know

[00:12:38] some of the dinosaurs uh that uh what would be a good example well you’ve got

[00:12:44] T-Rex right or you’ve got like a raptor versus something like a uh I think they

[00:12:50] used to call him brosaurus they don’t call him that anymore but well you still came yeah what’s Okay okay so um

[00:12:57] something like that like a bronos or something is that still different from the lizard and and it still fits the

[00:13:03] dino um stance yes this picture here kind of showed in the far left there that shows kind of a brosaurus type of

[00:13:09] you know stance where it’s a little broader and like almost like a a hippo

[00:13:14] or a elephant would have to do whereas the two-legged animals like T-Rex walk very

[00:13:21] close together when you see the footprints we see them you know one right in front of the other and so they’re walking very close together when

[00:13:26] you see the four-legged ones they’re they’re still pretty close together so the footprints we find in the fossils have actually verified that this is

[00:13:32] about the proper stance the dinosaurs really didn’t sprawl we don’t see their bellies dragging we don’t see their

[00:13:38] tails dragging you know their tails are always held up God designed the tails on these big long neck dinosaurs and the

[00:13:43] necks to be hollowed out so they’re very light God knew what he was doing it was all these are all done by Design and and

[00:13:50] it’s amazing architecture to dinosaurs of all types and they all just show up Suddenly in the fossil record you know

[00:13:56] what’s interesting um just as a side note here I interviewed Hugh Ross quite a while ago and I asked him his view on

[00:14:03] dinosaurs and he told me that his view was that uh the

[00:14:09] dinosaurs were so big that there’s no way they could hold their own body weight so they must have lived in a

[00:14:15] completely watery environment where the water basically came up to like you know chest level for a human around the whole

[00:14:22] world and that’s what enabled them to be able to walk and I I had never heard

[00:14:28] anything like for those of you listening if you don’t know who hu Ross is he he’s a proponent of old age uh

[00:14:34] uniformitarianism even though um you know he he he says he believes in the Bible so what are your thoughts on that

[00:14:41] well that’s that’s really really old school and so it’s kind of showing Hugh Ross’s age a little bit no offense to

[00:14:47] Hugh but back you know back in the early 20th century people thought that they had to live in the swamps the older body

[00:14:53] weight up and that was a prevailing thought pattern of many of the paleontologist even but then you realize

[00:14:58] now you look at at the bone structure of these things just like it says in job 40 they were beams of bronze these things

[00:15:03] were tough they had tough legs solid legs even these big long necks could you

[00:15:08] and the way they’re oriented straight down it gives very good support and again the tails the necks were hollow

[00:15:14] out the head was really small so they balanced almost like a like a balancing on a you know on those four legs they

[00:15:20] everything’s architecturally just right so that’s an really really really old school idea that’s been around for you

[00:15:26] know 60 70 years ago or before uh almost before my time that was kind

[00:15:32] of the failing view so it’s it’s interesting he still hold to that which is what he must have been taught as a kid yeah but he has he has some odd

[00:15:39] views on the flood too and I won’t get into that but being a Geist I’m like that’s not right but anyway let’s move

[00:15:46] along the question is did dinosaurs have feathers did they look like this was this or you know what a bald eagle would

[00:15:51] look like back in you know supposedly 60 70 million years ago I don’t think so

[00:15:56] and so we’re gonna look at this this is a real bird this is archaeopteris they found about 11 of these specimens I think maybe 12 if you count of feather

[00:16:04] these are all found in southern Germany Bavaria in a particular Limestone that preserves really fine details you but a

[00:16:11] limestone is a is an ocean deposit so why are these things dying and getting buried in the ocean uh it’s all part of

[00:16:16] the flood again but these are in Jurassic rocks they call them so when you look at dinosaurs they’re buried in

[00:16:21] three layers that we found so far they’re found in Triassic rocks which is kind of mway through the flood rocks and

[00:16:28] above that you get get the Jurassic rocks which is you know a little bit higher and then you get the Cretaceous rocks which is the so-called KT boundary

[00:16:35] at the top of that which we’ll talk about later the extinction those are the three layers over over the world that we see our dinosaurs in they’re always

[00:16:41] pretty well tiered that way below that it’s you know other reptiles and then below that it’s all Marine fossils

[00:16:48] because it isn’t that we evolve that’s just the order of burial in the flood we talked about in my my flood talk man

[00:16:54] this is real this is a real bird they model this thing it’s got a bony tail it’s got claws on it got little tiny

[00:16:59] teeth there’s some odd things about it but there’s other dinosaurs or not other

[00:17:05] birds like this as well like micro Rapture that have been found that have a bony tail but notice the tail is really

[00:17:10] thin there’s no little processes sticking off on it like you can feel your back the bumps dinosaurs have

[00:17:17] things that come down from their tail to hook muscles into to hook to their legs and here you don’t see that the tail

[00:17:22] almost behave probably almost like a feather they can move around but these are real feather the Studies have shown

[00:17:28] that think this flew like a pheasant whereas this dinosaur so I had a question for you about that because um

[00:17:35] it looks like we can see the feathers in this fossil is that what I’m seeing there you are those are those are true feathers these are flight feathers

[00:17:41] they’ve counted them out they’ gone so there’s no need to there’s no need to speculate that the dinosaurs have

[00:17:47] feathers when we are actually literally seeing them on birds they the feathers are there is that am I missing something

[00:17:54] there oh well they reinterpret this now with they’re now saying this was always been known as the first bird you know

[00:18:01] it’s the bird found lowest in the rocks in the world it’s even before a lot of the dinosaurs that are supposed to be

[00:18:06] bird like which up in the Cretaceous like the Raptors this is in those layers below that and so this is a problem for

[00:18:13] the penologists who want to believe in evolution because we already have fully feathered Birds below and living with

[00:18:20] dinosaurs before they supposedly evolved into dinosaurs yeah so it’s and so now

[00:18:25] they’re saying a lot of them are saying this is a dinosaur you’re just seeing a feathered dinosaur like microraptor is

[00:18:31] just a feathered dinosaur but yet there’s those Anatomy differences I’ll point out a few more of these as we go

[00:18:36] along I had one more question about this too Dr Clary um so um I’ve noticed this

[00:18:42] a lot of these ones the neck is bent back with the head like that um is there

[00:18:47] a reason uh that that this is is this a common feature of animals to have the

[00:18:54] the neck bent back because I’ve seen dinosaurs like that I’ve seen uh what what’s going on there and that and that

[00:18:59] is I forget the the biological name for that I knew you’re gon to ask me I’m like uh I don’t know I can’t there’s a

[00:19:05] particular term for this if you look it up online but it’s it’s the classic position of an animal that’s suffocating

[00:19:11] an animal that’s like gasping for its last breath before it gets buried and these animals were like twisting around

[00:19:16] trying to get any air they could and then the layers of sediment just kept coming in coming in so it is common when

[00:19:22] you get kind of complete specimens which are very rare uh for dinosaurs but you do see a few like camarasaurus even

[00:19:28] these long neck dinosaurs their heads are back you see t-rex with their heads back you see T-Rex rolled up in a ball

[00:19:33] with the heads between their legs and things it was a very violent varial in the flood and very fast so they were

[00:19:39] trying to gasp for air and again the exact name of this my colleague Brian Thomas will be mad at me now because I

[00:19:45] don’t remember but but he’s a biologist I’m a pontal you know pentology student

[00:19:50] I’m not a paleontologist per se but the geologist who dabbles in paleontology but there is a name for that but it’s

[00:19:57] very common but these are real feathers these are flight feathers they they count the flight feathers in the wing of this thing it’s got like between nine

[00:20:03] and 11 I think maybe 12 even in some cases which all birds have that fly today there’s a whole lot of details about this I put a lot this in a new

[00:20:10] book I just wrote but it won’t be out probably till the end of the year and it’s I’m hoping to call it if it Walks

[00:20:16] Like a Bird that’ be nice eventually in Fall because that’s the big differences the hips and the legs to me this animal

[00:20:23] is a dinosaur this is copterx it has what they call Proto feathers this is supposed to be how feather evolved they

[00:20:29] went to this hairlike stage and you can kind of see there’s this hairy looking stuff that came off all around the

[00:20:35] animal but Alan fedua who’s a evolutionary bird expert he’s a Paleo

[00:20:42] ornithologist paleo Birds he says when he studied Dolphins he smash dolphins

[00:20:47] and he saw the same fibers coming off the Dolphins this is all part of the collagen in the Skin So what you’re really seeing here is not really

[00:20:53] hairlike structures necessarily it’s not feathers at all it’s hairlike structures if anything

[00:20:59] but he thinks it could all just be from the cagen being compressed so fast that the cagen kind of smears off into these

[00:21:05] hairlike structures so you have this fiber in our skin this collagen that makes our skin tough makes leather tough

[00:21:12] that he thinks with his Empirical research which very few people are doing he’s supporting that these are not

[00:21:18] feather dinosaurs and here’s another feather dinosaur this is micro Raptor on

[00:21:23] a feather not a feather dinosaur what’s called a feather dinosaur this one’s very similar to archa opcs it’s wings

[00:21:29] and its back legs you notice feathers and its back legs and so they talk about this for a wing dinosaur but really this

[00:21:35] is another birp all the we study this in the anatomy more it is a very thin bony

[00:21:40] tail just like archa opx archa opx had feathers on its legs too they just are a

[00:21:46] little bit smaller if you go back and look and this one had the claws almost this might have been the same kind

[00:21:52] they’re both the size of a crow they might have been the same kind as AR copcs but these are found in China unfortunately there’s a lot of these

[00:21:58] coming out of China that have been frauds they’ve been glued together there’s a lot of places over there where

[00:22:04] they’re making fossils from what they’re digging up and adding to them so everything coming out of China you got

[00:22:10] to study with CT scans and see if they’re real or not now they did find out that T-Rex had scales so they had to

[00:22:17] take T-Rex off the list of a Feather dinosaur back in 2017 they did a study

[00:22:23] Phil Bell and his colleagues show the Tyrannosaurus Rex and all the Tyrannosaurus had scaly skin this is an

[00:22:29] example of the feather or the lack of feathers on a T-Rex skin that they found

[00:22:34] so they reluctantly had to admit that T-Rex did not have feathers even though they say all the other median dinosaurs

[00:22:40] did but they had to eliminate T-Rex which is kind of odd you know like would this and that but you still see pictures

[00:22:46] of T-Rex basically juveniles and T-rexes with feathers and fluff all over them as well but birds need to pin their

[00:22:54] feathers you know if you have feathers you’ve got to pin them just like we have the comr hair they spend about 9% of

[00:22:59] their day according to studies preing their feathers even even penguins are down there on the right hand side but

[00:23:06] you see the Penguins down there preing their feathers and there’s a like a pelican pip animal I’m not sure what that was this that a zoo in Colorado

[00:23:13] Springs at the sh Mountain Zoo you can see them preining you have to pre to kind of keep these feathers from being

[00:23:19] all just tatters if you look at the thopa dinosaurs so maybe osaurus Rex in

[00:23:25] the middle there uh all these other dinosaurs are claimed to have feathers for the most part and so how do they PR

[00:23:30] feathers with the jaw of a dinosaur like a kotto dragon trying to pre a feather yeah you know it’s very very difficult

[00:23:36] to do and nobody brings this stuff up you you see in the movies all this stuff going they’re jumping in the water

[00:23:42] they’re swimming around and the feathers all over them and like how do they pin those feathers it’s you know it’s an

[00:23:47] impossibility to have feathers and maintain them if you don’t have a way to PR them and you get the pre gland you

[00:23:53] know there apring gland and everything else something with it and as we as you mentioned we’ve actually found found a lot of original proteins and some of

[00:24:00] that collagen in dinosaurs Mary Schweitzer kind of hit the jackpot back

[00:24:06] in 2005 this is some of her T-Rex femur so the T-Rex thigh bone that was broke

[00:24:12] open she was got a sample from Jack Horner’s crew out in Montana flew it

[00:24:17] back dissolved away too much bone and acid by accident and then she found this red stuff and there stuff that could

[00:24:23] stretch like in that first picture there a in the left hand side it’s almost like a r B stretched and kind of came back

[00:24:30] and she goes this isn’t right and then she did it again and she go it’s still happening so this isn’t right and so she

[00:24:36] finally published it knowing that people are going to go well this is weird because she studied that these are

[00:24:41] actually proteins these are collagen proteins these are hemoglobin proteins and she published and said You know here

[00:24:46] I’m finding original what looks like original T-Rex proteins how can that be and so that put a big stir out there

[00:24:53] even Jack Conner has a famous quote where he goes well yeah it’s impossible how can that be and so has that uh has

[00:24:59] that has there been any more Pro progress on that as far as like um where

[00:25:05] does that stand I know for a while they were trying to argue that iron was allowing the red blood cells to last

[00:25:11] longer and then um and I know there have been a few more findings as far as soft

[00:25:19] tissue and dinosaur bones and so forth have there any been any more big developments in that is that changing

[00:25:25] the Paradigm at all well a little bit yes know there’s been about 120 papers

[00:25:30] 120 other discoveries out there and Mary schwizer folk here in Dallas where I’m at here with icr about four or five

[00:25:38] years ago and she said that they even all these dinosaurs that don’t even publish like osaurus Rex Su the one

[00:25:43] that’s in Chicago they found original tissues in that original proteins in that they just never published it so

[00:25:49] there’s probably close to 200 papers that have found original proteins and shes but it’s not just the dinosaurs

[00:25:55] it’s stuff way down below there’s stuff they’re finding down in so if it’s 500 maybe even older than that 500 million

[00:26:01] years old in these Cambrian rocks the beginning of the flood they find original proteins in some of these worm

[00:26:07] casings and things but there’s no blood there’s no iron to bathe those in and so

[00:26:12] how do you say that iron’s the answer and iron you know there’s been studies on that the chemists have looked back and forth that that iron bathing is

[00:26:19] really not that good it’s more almost causes more harm than good her study was a two-year study Mary schwitzer did to

[00:26:26] try to find some sort of rescuing to device and it’s thrown in our face a lot well Mary schz are show with iron but it

[00:26:32] does there’s no iron in most these cases you know even in some of the bones it’s hard to get this an iron or blood

[00:26:38] solution in there uh it just doesn’t always work and so they’re they still use that they still argue that you know

[00:26:44] if you want to believe in old you know if Mary do you know if Mary schwitzer has changed her mind at all or is she

[00:26:49] still locked into the millions of years Paradigm well she doesn’t say anything you know when she spoke here she didn’t

[00:26:55] mention that at all she just said how we’re finding this we’re finding this find this and she admits that you know dinosaurs and all fossils had to be

[00:27:02] buried have to be buried fast and deep which is what we’ve been saying all along in the fl’s best conditions so she

[00:27:09] sees the evidence but she won’t quite say it from what I’ve understand and maybe she’s still trying to get through

[00:27:16] her career before she retires I don’t know if she’ll ever say anything different uh you know she’s really nice

[00:27:21] lady from the time we get to hear her talk but and I you know I don’t know if she’s

[00:27:27] ever going to say anything in public or not so what she really feels I don’t know but she did there’s a lot of pressure there’s a lot of pressure

[00:27:33] because you can lose your job if you uh yeah if you come out and say the wrong thing that’s what happened to uh the

[00:27:38] gentleman here in California Mark Armitage yeah yeah he published he published a

[00:27:45] paper showing all these wonderful osteocytes these bone making cells and all these little filel touching and we

[00:27:50] found that over and over that was in a Triceratops a horn and they peeled it

[00:27:57] back and you found all these sheets of proteins and yeah again that’s one of the 120 papers that have been published

[00:28:02] and there’s more that haven’t been published but but chemists have shown for years these things can’t survive everybody knows they can’t survive they

[00:28:08] can’t survive n you here’s some of the examples on the right are some of those osteos sites you can still see the nucleus the dark brown circles in there

[00:28:14] you can see blood vessels they found in in you know dinosaurs supposedly 150

[00:28:20] million years old and older and you can see there’s what looks like red blood cells and the one down in the bottom in the middle and they probably are red

[00:28:26] blood cells uh protein proteins proteins here’s the 195 million year old blood

[00:28:32] vessel which the little black dots are probably the blood cells and those

[00:28:37] little uh kind of long skinny at in the middle at the bottom those are the osteocytes so in the bone you get these

[00:28:43] blood vesses going through that were still original parts so it’s just over and over and over they’re finding this

[00:28:49] and to me it’s it’s really strong evidence that these things are not that

[00:28:54] old and so what most people say now very get into the extinction question most

[00:28:59] people say that you know well we know dinosaurs are 66 million years old to

[00:29:04] 232 million years old or whatever the current range is uh we just don’t know how they’re preserved and so they just

[00:29:11] you know they refuse to give up on their dates they’re talking about chemical fossils in some of the geology books now

[00:29:17] they don’t talk about the implications many times they don’t even talk about these discoveries at all you got

[00:29:22] pentology students that we’ve talked to some of our staff like Dr Brian Thomas talked to a Master student in pentology

[00:29:30] at a school in Texas and she goes I never heard any of this you know they just they just don’t come out and so if

[00:29:35] it doesn’t fit their story of course they leave it out but that’s not how SCI should be done you should be trying to explain all the data as best you can and

[00:29:43] unfortunately there’s a lot of deception going on and it all comes from the

[00:29:49] father of Lies you know Satan himself that he trying to deceive people deceive people to to show to take away God’s you

[00:29:56] know design God’s handiwork saying nature can do it all by itself we don’t need we don’t need a God and that’s the

[00:30:02] whole idea of evolution this is one big part of in the Deep time has to be there as well because how can anything evolve

[00:30:07] you don’t have a lot of time but we don’t see any evidence in the fossils that we talked about earlier of any

[00:30:12] Evolution we just see new things showing up in the order of burial and the flood there’s even there’s even no Extinction

[00:30:18] like we’re going to talk about here in a minute extinctions in the fossil record are really just where a lot of things

[00:30:23] disappear and that’s where their whole ecological Zone was wiped out the water went higher it wiped up the entire

[00:30:29] ecological Zone and boom onto the next Zone and so we see sudden changes at

[00:30:34] some locations in the fossils because that’s where the whole Zone was finally destroyed so the KT boundary is now

[00:30:41] called The kpg Boundary or the K Cretaceous paleogene or Cretaceous

[00:30:46] tertiary Geist changed the name to confuse people I think the that’s what

[00:30:52] we’re going to talk about that’s when they’re supposed to win extinct and they’re you know and not all pale intelligence agree with this either but

[00:30:58] it’s been kind of ram righted down everybody’s throat little six or seven year old kids argue with me sometimes about why they went extinct I’m like I

[00:31:04] don’t want to argue but you’re not hearing the full story and it’s it’s it kind of brings a cheer to mind that these

[00:31:11] kids are being brainwashed with these stories you know they aren’t even have don’t have much evidence to really back them up but it’s all they have so they

[00:31:19] have to say this is what happened so so you explain way many of the extinctions are trying to find asteroids to hit the

[00:31:25] Earth because they think they found here so let’s talk about that here’s well watch a little video footage we’ll go

[00:31:30] back in time and watch did this really happen so here we

[00:31:37] go see you don’t hear anything because R in space that’s how it works anyway that uh

[00:31:44] you know that’s the idea this big impact hit the earth making this chickalo crater I put c on it for a reason I’ll

[00:31:50] talk about in a minute it’s supposed to be 180 kilometers wide which is this it’s like 120 miles or so wide crater

[00:31:57] and it’s supposed to be from a 10 kilometer wide asteroid which if you run 10 kilometers you know that’s 6.2 miles

[00:32:04] and so they that’s how I learned my metric running road races and so you you basically you know this 10 the six

[00:32:12] mile wide piece of rock supposed to hit the earth down here by the Yucatan you can see the little map down there some

[00:32:17] of it’s offshore some of it’s onshore that little dashed white line is supposed to be the coastline uh and so

[00:32:23] what it really is though is there is no gra there is no crater there he in mind

[00:32:28] there is no crater there there is no physical crater at this location but where are they getting that

[00:32:34] from then well this is the gravity signal gravity signature this is based on gravity anomalies which is just

[00:32:40] measuring the density of rocks and so you take really detailed the the density of the rocks will determine how much

[00:32:46] gravity you have gravity is related to the amount of mass you have so heavier rocks will give you more gravity and if

[00:32:52] they’re deep they’ll give you a different signal than shallow stuff it’s very ambiguous you can’t sort out the Deep deep stuff from the shallow stuff

[00:32:59] and so I think this is just a coincidence of of a structure coming in it’s kind of orange colored up there the Northwest gravity High coming in kind of

[00:33:07] to the southeast and then you’ve got this blue kind of Zone where it kind of collapsed in the middle there’s a tertiary Basin or a halog gene Basin

[00:33:15] that kind of collaps later in the flood year and those two kind of coincide and you get almost a circle but it’s it’s

[00:33:22] not real this is a gravity signal people look at this oh it’s real there’s no

[00:33:27] crater there you can go to the surface there’s nothing there it’s just some busted up Rock and that which busts up a

[00:33:33] lot anyway everywhere you go so that’s the first thing you got to get out of your head is there’s no crater are there

[00:33:38] are these M I’ve heard people have these discussions pardon me I can he you so are there are there

[00:33:46] I’m sorry um can you hear me now Dr CLA I hear you now hello yep yep

[00:33:52] so are there any asteroid impact craters on the earth that are massive like this

[00:33:57] or because I’ve seen you know posts about this this sort of thing are any of them actually real well there’s some

[00:34:03] real ones there’s one the silen crater I think is called in in Sweden Norway and Scandinavia that area I’ve seen that

[00:34:09] there’s actually some rocks in that so there’s some real ones I don’t know if this yeah this is made up to be you know

[00:34:15] much bigger than it really is those are real there’s some real impacts there were some impacts that hit the earth I think during the flood but this one I’m

[00:34:21] not sure if there was an impact there at all if there was it was very very small as we’ll see if there’s some more data

[00:34:26] as well so it isn’t just that there’s a lack of a crater people say well the younger rocks paved over it but it’s

[00:34:32] really not there so a lot of Wells were drilled into this a lot of cores were taking of this because they were trying to find oil because they saw this

[00:34:39] gravity signal thinking okay this is a bump like an upside down Bowl which we call anacin in in geology and so that

[00:34:46] says drill this and so they drilled a bunch of Wells into it here’s they all the wells they drilled here’s the the crater there in those couple circles and

[00:34:53] so lots of cores taken I did a cross-section from a a prime which you know I looked at all these cores in the

[00:34:58] course of my studies of looking at all the columns around the world and they drilled a new one offshore that m

[00:35:06] z77a is a new one that they went out there and our government text was help pay for is a science experiment and they

[00:35:14] brought that back in so here’s kind of you know the question is there’s two things I’ll look at there’s other problems as well but one of them is how

[00:35:20] much melt how much melted rock should an impact that six miles wide be when it

[00:35:25] hits the Earth and there should be a lot of melt an imper P that big should make a lot of melt estimates have been maybe

[00:35:32] two miles of melt maybe 3 four kilm of melt and so let’s look at what the wells

[00:35:37] show well the wells show this here’s the actual well data they can see in blue is limestone and pink is kind of salt and

[00:35:45] gypsum layers laid down and these are cetaceous rocks you know and you can see the kpg boundary there that black line

[00:35:52] and there’s more lone the top that fills it in a little bit of sand at the very very very top so that little yellow

[00:35:57] stuff is saying but look for the red the red is the Melt and you see red in one

[00:36:03] well that Y6 well in the middle that shows about 300 meters 1 to 300 meters

[00:36:09] there’s a couple other ones have just a little bit of melt you know in yx1 you

[00:36:14] see about 100 meters and that’s all you see so where’s all this Mel there should be three to four kilometers you see not

[00:36:22] even a tenth of that you know there’s there’s no evidence of a big impact to hit this thing So eventually so

[00:36:28] essentially uh the Paradigm from an evolutionary perspective a long age perspective is that um the dinosaurs

[00:36:35] were killed by that KT event or and and so we have to have evidence of some sort

[00:36:40] of a meteor that hit the earth and and essentially what you’re saying is is there’s no evidence that that a meteor

[00:36:45] ever even hit here and therefore your theory about that’s what caused the dinosaurs to go extinct completely

[00:36:52] evaporates yeah and it gets worse here’s one more thing where’s all the idium the idium is supposed to be this you know

[00:36:59] Rare Earth element that isn’t it’s produced by volcanoes they forget about that it’s produced by volcanoes and at this point the flood

[00:37:06] the volcanoes were really ramping up before the kpg KT as well and after and

[00:37:11] that helped bring on the Ice Age we talked about later God knew what he was doing and so all this idium was formed

[00:37:17] but they they try to say all there’s a continuous iridium layer all over the world at the same time to T in Italy

[00:37:22] they find it in Montana find it in different locations around the world but who knows if it’s the same same layer

[00:37:28] exactly every time and you go to one Hill in Montana it’s there the next Hill over it’s not there and so it isn’t like

[00:37:35] it’s a universal dust cloud that settled out we see some some of these volcanoes

[00:37:41] do that and the other problem is when you look at these Wells again those 10 Wells you only see three of them they

[00:37:46] had any idium and just traces of idium so where’s all the smoke from the impact

[00:37:52] this is supposed to be the dust cloud that went up and settled back down where’s the smoke if this is the Smoking Gun there should have been a lot of

[00:37:58] smoke I’ve heard you know people critics go well it blew everywhere else I’m like it should be a lot right here this is

[00:38:04] the source you know you get more your volcanic ash and everything else near m is than you do somewhere else so where

[00:38:10] is the idum so where’s the Melt and where’s the idum and there’s some other issues as well that I won’t get into we

[00:38:16] don’t have time for all that but to me these are the two big issues so the claim from you know paleontologists who

[00:38:23] who espouse this view their claim is that the dinosaurs were thee primary uh

[00:38:28] creatures on the earth at the time this this crater hits the Earth and it wipes

[00:38:34] out all the dinosaurs but uh Evolution continues its process and then new

[00:38:39] creatures arise from evolution is that is that the claim yeah you know the story they fill the niche they fill the

[00:38:45] missing gap of of big predators but it’s not even true because a lot of things didn’t go extinct and evolutionary

[00:38:52] penologist Robert Bacher who’s kind of snuffed out in all this he’s pointed out for years the frogs go right across the

[00:38:59] boundary so if this is supposed to be a big impact that caused acid rain and all this you know Global Winter and blah

[00:39:05] blah blah all this stuff for for years and years it should have killed all the frogs you know there the senstive Little Frogs living in the little ponds and and

[00:39:12] water all over the world why didn’t they go EAP we see frogs go right across the boundary we see a lot of things go turtles go right across the boundary we

[00:39:18] see some mammals go right across the boundary some birds go across the bound but he pointed out particularly the frogs frogs are going to be very

[00:39:24] sensitive to this so he doesn’t believe this imp as the answer either he doesn’t have a too good of an answer himself but

[00:39:32] again they need a story and this is a flashy story you know coming from space and gets people worried it’s gonna

[00:39:37] happen again and we need to support NASA yeah you know it’s like I don’t

[00:39:42] think it’ be able to help but nonetheless I don’t see the evidence again first of all there’s no crater there secondly it’s just a gravity

[00:39:49] signal based on differences in rocks which I think might just be a magmatic intrusion that came up they had a higher

[00:39:54] density and that’s what you see there some of that melt could just be part of that magma it’s given that gravity

[00:40:01] signal which is just an amales of high density Ira versus low density IRS and it’s there’s no not much idium but

[00:40:08] there’s idium all over the world at this time but it’s in different layers it’s not all just one continuous layer and

[00:40:13] bottom lines there’s not enough melon so how did they go extinct well I think partly because of climate differences

[00:40:19] from the pre flood where God’s created world was conducive and probably Global Greenhouse was happening you lots of CO2

[00:40:26] lots of oxygen everything was dinosaurs even if they were cold blooded which I believe they were could have been active they could

[00:40:32] have you know been moving around all the time doing their thing but they became just as violent as humans after Adam Eve

[00:40:40] sin the whole world was filled with violence so they were eating each other we do have evidence of that they weren’t

[00:40:45] just eating their plants like they were supposed to be doing but the climate was much different they suddenly I think a lot of your oxygen CO2 was pulled from

[00:40:52] the atmosphere to make Limestone during the flood year and it would have been like getting out of

[00:40:57] at a mountain at 10,000 feet and trying to breathe it would have taken a while for everybody to kind of adjust to that

[00:41:03] animals included and you had an Ice Age they came on within a few hundred years after the flood so you had a very narrow

[00:41:08] range around the equator where Cold Blood animals like dinosaurs could live and now unlike the pre flood World

[00:41:14] dinosaurs are going to be living in the same areas as humans and the pre flood I think animals like dinosaurs lived at a

[00:41:21] lower elevation humans and most the bigger mammals you know horses camels

[00:41:26] pigs that have lived at higher elevations that’s where their food sources were that God gave them different plants at different elevations

[00:41:33] and so they stayed pretty much teared around the world and that’s why the fossils show a very distinctive tearing

[00:41:39] as well as I mentioned earlier anyway I think that’s a big problem then human interaction because they’re not living

[00:41:45] in close prsim humans I think humans were probably killing some of these dinosaurs before they could get big and so we hear all these Legends of knights

[00:41:52] killing dragons like St George and the Dragon these were probably not just dragons these are probably dinosaurs and

[00:41:58] whether they had wings or not they might have someone might have looked like they had wings maybe some of this is embellished a bit but all these legends

[00:42:05] about dragons and even mentioning dragons in the Bible are probably talking about dinosaurs After the flood

[00:42:10] but they did go extinct eventually and the Bible even talks about what appears to be a dinosaur even though Hugh Ross

[00:42:16] disagrees in the Book of Job he has a commentary on that I read too much of his commentary he doesn’t really mention

[00:42:22] the tail like a cedar too much but in the king James it says behold now Beth

[00:42:28] which I made with you because God made Adam and Eve and the land animals all in the same day of creation same day six he

[00:42:35] eat grass like an ax which they found out in 2005 nobody believed that the

[00:42:40] grass evolved until after the dinosaurs were extinct after the kpg but now they realize we found this dinosaur dung from

[00:42:47] an animal it’s a soral pod along a dinosaur in India and the dinosaur dunk contained five species of grass so in

[00:42:54] fact they really were eating grass so the Bible was right all along just people scoffed at it so they ate This

[00:43:00] Grass his strengthens his loins like I talked about very strong animal forcing the muscles of his belly he moves his

[00:43:06] tail like a cedar his bones are like bars of iron so really strong bone legs so he could walk on dry land or fairly

[00:43:12] dry land and we do see the footprints we see them walking so I don’t know how hu Ros can say they had to just live in the

[00:43:19] swamps when they could see the footprints all over the world there’s hundreds hundreds of thousands of dinosur footprints but anyway the tail I

[00:43:26] was I was I was hearing that down in Arizona there’s a on one of the Indian reservations there’s one of the largest

[00:43:33] dinosaur footprint basically yards it’s just like something like over 200 uh

[00:43:40] dinosaurs and the dinosaurs are trying to find the last dry land you know before the next wave came in it wiped them out and so you see a lot of animals

[00:43:46] huddled together running around back and forth on each other really walking and it’s not a a mystery because they were trying to huddle to the land little bit

[00:43:52] of land that was maybe still just a few feet deep of water in the F last wave and then the next wave they’re gone and

[00:43:58] we see this in Wyoming one of our DVDs we just put a called carved in stone that’s a DVD it’s a book I wrote but

[00:44:04] it’s also a DVD we just put out at icr which shows a lot of that in the field

[00:44:10] it’s anyway moves his tail like a cedar is very distinctive for dinosaurs because as I mentioned earlier they have

[00:44:16] muscles attached to their tail it goes back to their thigh bone so many these dinosaurs as they walk their tail would

[00:44:22] actually swing back and forth side to side just like you had a tree sticking out the back of a trailer going down the

[00:44:27] road you know going around turns it would start swinging side to side and that’s how they balanced God designed the engineering of these dinosaurs they

[00:44:35] have what’s called a fourth tranter which is a muscle attachment site on their femurs birds don’t have that

[00:44:41] microraptor doesn’t have that arapc doesn’t have that birds today don’t have that they don’t have fully open holes in

[00:44:48] their hips either like dinosaurs but there’s a lot of differences in the back hips particularly the two-legged

[00:44:53] Dinosaurs the four-legged one of them to make a mark like the tail like the Caesar and it’s said to me this is pretty clear

[00:45:00] that this is some sort of long neck dinosaur if you read to it and we see drawings the Egyptian nmer pallet uh if

[00:45:06] you can see that very well in circled there I have what looks like two long necked animals their tails may be a

[00:45:11] little short but they have really long necks and Egyptians have ropes around their heads and very small heads on the top and you notice the legs are coming

[00:45:17] straight down just like the blll below it and so you know they have real animals on here then they have these

[00:45:23] weird looking animals that look somewhat like a dinosaur with a long neck but the come straight down you know we didn’t

[00:45:28] know the legs and the dinosaurs came straight down till 1841 here’s here’s a better one it shows long tails and long

[00:45:33] necks and the legs coming straight down now admittedly they have a you know a

[00:45:38] head on this thing kind of like a leopard’s head or something but you know there’s a little bit AR artistic license

[00:45:44] and even that flying thing in the middle of this when you roll it out might have been a pterodactyl or something like that oh yeah yep it’s hard to say but to

[00:45:53] me what’s telling about this is the legs are coming straight down how do they know that till 1841 and this

[00:45:59] is supposed to be you know thousands of years old couple thousand years BC I believe and then there’s one uh carving

[00:46:05] that goes around Bishop Bell’s tomb in Carla Cathedral that was when he was

[00:46:11] placed in 1496 and they show what has been Steed on and scuffed on for you know hundreds of years it’s now covered

[00:46:17] with a carpet they show what appears to be two long neck dinosaurs kind of intertwined and they have the legs

[00:46:24] coming straight down this is before 1841 when we actually knew that again in the modern

[00:46:29] world so how did they know to drum why not drum like a rockodile alligator if that’s what they drum so accurately

[00:46:35] there’s there’re such accurate depictions it’s almost startling but yet these are just ignored by The

[00:46:41] evolutionary community and then there’s the prom Temple I believe it’s called in Cambodia they found about the 11th or

[00:46:47] 12th century and we have a copy of this at our Discovery Center Museum here in Dallas at icr the whole Tower the whole

[00:46:54] Temple wall piece and there’s a lion at the bottom there’s a water

[00:47:00] buffalo there’s a monkey there’s a lizard and then there’s this you know all them are real animals that you can identify except for this one and this

[00:47:07] one looks again looks notice the legs Kevin com went straight down again just like even better than that dry of

[00:47:13] Stegosaurus has stuck next to it and so to me all these legs com straight down

[00:47:19] and many these things to me shows they knew more about these dinosaurs these animals than than we knew for centuries

[00:47:25] as you go along so I have this in my book which I wrote uh back in 2015 but I’ve updated a few times I’ll talk about

[00:47:32] cold blood or warm blood I talk about that’s the stuff I looked at with my students when I started doing the dinosaur class I said well let’s look at

[00:47:37] the evidence are they cold blooded or warm blooded and I found there’s a lot of evidence that they’re cold blooded that’s been kind of dismissed by most of

[00:47:44] the phological community and there’s no evidence that dinosaurs had feathers in my opinion as as of today and when I

[00:47:51] wrote my book that’s coming out this fall I looked and looked and looked anything that they say is a feather dinosaur even some of my creation

[00:47:58] colleagues will say there feather dinosaurs I disagree with them because what they’re looking at are things that

[00:48:03] don’t have the hip structure the back legs all these things aren’t dinosaur like at all they’re birdlike and so

[00:48:10] these are feathered birds arotc and microor and many others and so there’s a

[00:48:15] few others I covered in my book cepter and and several others and Ellen fedua

[00:48:20] who’s a paleontologist and evolutionist he’s written several books that they you know most people dismiss this because

[00:48:26] he’s going against the mainstream like Bob Bacher in the in the evolution or the extinction of dinosaurs he says it’s

[00:48:32] not an asteroid because the frogs passed over that you know they find frogs on both sides of that boundary alen fu is

[00:48:39] the same way and he and he complains in his books nobody listens to him they just ignore him he can’t get funding he

[00:48:45] can’t you know but he’s in the 70s I believe now but he’s he’s been ostracized by the py community because

[00:48:52] he doesn’t go along with their stories and so is a real problem for professional paleontologist they have to

[00:48:58] kind of you know bid in or they basically get cancelled because they

[00:49:03] don’t get funny and they don’t get get keep yeah hopefully hopefully the research that you’ve done and so many others are doing

[00:49:11] you know really starts to affect more people and they they deal with this

[00:49:16] honestly um because it’s very clear that the The evolutionary Paradigm of when

[00:49:21] dinosaurs went extinct has numerous problems um and if if people would have

[00:49:27] the courage to speak up and say what they really think because I I know it’s

[00:49:32] true I was talking to Dr John Sanford a while ago and he said that even when he

[00:49:37] finally decided that Evolution wasn’t true and he was at Cornell that he he said he was afraid to say anything

[00:49:43] because as as he was a tenured uh Professor I believe um and yet he still

[00:49:48] was concerned that his career would be in Jeopardy if he came out and said something while he was still working and

[00:49:53] um you know people have got to provide for their families and so it’s a tough it’s a tough thing um you know but it’s

[00:49:58] real and uh so one more thanks for all you’re doing

[00:50:05] um this is you’re welcome one more thing I want to point out there’s a little picture here that that’s a T-Rex there in that picture on the book and you can

[00:50:11] see how the legs comes down and the H and the femur actually swings back and forth pulled by those muscles that are

[00:50:17] attached to it birds don’t do that they don’t have that muscle attachment site Birds thighs are always kind of facing

[00:50:23] forward and they balance on their knees and on their ankles out front and so they dinosaurs balance on their hips

[00:50:29] it’s completely different way they walk and that’s why they have a different hip you know the hole in the hip versus no hole the force tro caner all these

[00:50:36] different things I outline in my book that will be out hopefully by the end of the year from icr but it’ll be more

[00:50:42] details of why dinosaurs are not birds and then my wife and I wrote These she’s over here wrote a couple kids books

[00:50:48] which are stories you can read to the young kids that teach them there’s little dinosaur facts and there’s the Bible facts in here and it leads people

[00:50:55] to Jesus you know at the end of talks about how you know God has a plan for you Jesus has a plan for you too and

[00:51:00] that’s you know to come to him as to be your savior uh but it’s basically ultimately this Henry who’s the little

[00:51:06] guy in the middle he gets picked by God in this story to be chosen to be on the

[00:51:11] ark and so he gets save you know he’s one of the chosen two of the kind of these duck bu dinosaurs so it’s a cute

[00:51:16] little story but it makes a really good point hopefully an eternal point for some people then we have another book a

[00:51:22] followup Henrys the new world once he gets off the ark and then in production right now is another one Henry in the

[00:51:27] Ice Age so he gets involved with some of the Ice Age animals as he’s gets older he’s a couple hundred years old and we

[00:51:32] have a lot of fun doing those so that’s the kind of the end of our our sharing there can stuff but I want to plug a few

[00:51:38] books there that we have love that that’s for those of you listening you know um getting this information to your

[00:51:45] kids is so valuable I I know my kids have come home and said dad my science

[00:51:51] book says millions of years and I’m like oh no right and and uh you know even a

[00:51:56] Christian School you’d be amazed um the stuff that has snuck in there and is teaching things that are in contrast in

[00:52:04] contrary to what the Bible actually teaches and it’s up to us to make our kids prepared you know uh if you read a

[00:52:11] book like uh Dr clar’s book and his wife’s book with the with your kids that’s a valuable tool to be able to

[00:52:18] help them uh be prepared to have these discussions with friends and ultimately point to

[00:52:24] Christ that’s my wife so Dr yeah go ahead my wife taught her a Christian School for a long time teaching

[00:52:29] kindergarten in first grade and she always had to read these stories she had to cross out the millions of years just like you said so she goes we get a

[00:52:35] chance we’re gonna write some stories that you can read to the grandkids you can read to the kids at a young age and show them the real truth of what

[00:52:41] dinosaurs were I love it I love it um and it’s

[00:52:48] amazing to me honestly how many people have no idea I mean they have no idea how dinosaurs fit in the Bible and uh

[00:52:54] it’s just something that people need to be aware of because it just confirms the truth of the Bible um and all the puzzle

[00:53:00] pieces fall together Dr Tim Clary and um he’s with icr you can check out their

[00:53:06] resources icr.org uh they have phenomenal resources uh every question

[00:53:11] you can possibly imagine regarding creation and science um they’ve got articles answering those questions I

[00:53:17] can’t recommend them highly enough they’ve been a incredible resource for myself and um we just recently had on a

[00:53:23] bunch of guests too uh with similar we had Dr Carl Werner on

[00:53:30] um talking about evolutionary frauds exploring the claims of the missing links we also had uh Dr Dan Bon who just

[00:53:36] published the movie The Arc in the darkness you can get DVDs on that now that’s another great resource and coming up we have some fantastic guests um we

[00:53:43] have who converted from Hinduism to Christianity she’s going to be sharing her testimony uh next week and then we

[00:53:50] also have Dr Ron neller coming on uh from creation M Ministries International um also speaking on the flood and then

[00:53:57] I’ve got a really unusual show this is really uh it’s going to be interesting to me because I don’t typically

[00:54:02] interview people um from this area but it’s a actually a a priest talking about

[00:54:09] modern-day exorcisms he actually says in the Catholic Church they’re actually conducting more exorcisms than ever

[00:54:15] before which just piqued my interest um and so I’m curious to see what what he

[00:54:21] has to say that should be interesting but um Dr Clary thanks so much again for being on the program and um just really

[00:54:28] appreciate everything you do oh you’re welcome it’s it’s a real joy to be able to share what we can show that you know

[00:54:34] the wonders of God’s creation his you know there is no evidence for evolution there is no evidence for deep time you

[00:54:41] know everything fits exactly the way the Bible is written with Clarity of scriptures not just the inherency it’s the clarity you can read it the way it’s

[00:54:47] written and it shows that the Earth is Young and that’s what the fossils really do support exactly exactly praise God

[00:54:55] thank you very much you guys I’ll see you next time I hope you can join us next week um when I have this fantastic

[00:55:01] guest from India who talks about her conversion from Hinduism to Christianity that’ll be a lot of fun my website’s

[00:55:07] educate forlife.org you can check out all kinds of resoures there and again Dr

[00:55:12] clar you can visit him at icr.org and he has numerous resources that are a big benefit a big blessing carved in stone

[00:55:19] uh that’s the book we talked about last time about the flood and then several different books on dinosaurs too so

[00:55:25] check out those resources and we will see you next time I hope you have a fantastic evening God bless you when you

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