Human Evolution Frauds with Dr. Carl Werner

[00:00:01] thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover and you’re listening to educate for life we’re on podcast we’re also on K pra 1210 a.m. if

[00:00:07] you’re local here in Southern California and FM 106.1 in North County last week I

[00:00:14] interviewed Dan bid and uh if you haven’t seen the movie The Ark and the Darkness uh just came out last week

[00:00:19] fantastic that’s what we talked about with Dan last week and uh incredible movie uh going through all the

[00:00:25] scientific evidence for the truth of the flood and uh if you didn’t get to see it uh because it was sold out in many

[00:00:31] theaters around the country it’s got a it’s going to be replaying on April 1st

[00:00:36] so you have a chance to check it out then and um go look at it but one of the

[00:00:42] uh uh experts who was in the movie we have with us this evening his name is Dr

[00:00:48] Carl Werner and just a little bit about him before uh we we hop in here we’re going to be talking about the

[00:00:53] evolutionary frauds all over the world as well as just touching on actual living fossils Liv living evolutionary

[00:01:01] quote evolutionary fossils um he received his undergrad undergraduate degree in biology with distinction at

[00:01:07] the University of Missouri received his doctoral degree in medicine at the age of 23 formerly he was an adjunct

[00:01:13] assistant professor in the department of surgery at St Louis University he’s the author of evolution the grand experiment

[00:01:20] book series and the executive producer of evolution the grand Experiment video series which is now played on Seven

[00:01:26] television networks in 70 countries Dr wner thanks so much for being here this evening oh it’s great to be with you

[00:01:33] Kevin thank you for the invite huh yeah absolutely I I’m I’m so glad that you

[00:01:38] agreed to come on and talk about um what you’ve been doing this is incredible uh

[00:01:43] you have on your social media on X it says traveling the globe to answer one simple question is evolution true or is

[00:01:51] it not 15 countries six continents 250,000 miles um take us back to the

[00:01:57] beginning um this is an incredible journey you’ve on and for a lot of people they’d be like there’s no way I’m

[00:02:03] going to travel all over the world trying to figure this out what drove you to decide to go on this mission to

[00:02:11] figure out whether evolution is true or not you know I grew up in a good family my parents were awesome but the church I

[00:02:18] went to wasn’t a Bible believing you know where they emphasized this the truth of the Bible and when I

[00:02:26] got to college um I just morphed away from my parents way of thinking and from

[00:02:33] religion because my professors were teaching me that Evolution was true it

[00:02:38] it seemed logical plausible all that and um I was there by the way on a full ride

[00:02:46] science scholarship which is very unusual to have a full ride science scholarship um I had done research at

[00:02:52] the University of Missouri while in high school when I was in high school I had this animal my own animal lab to show

[00:02:58] you how much of a science geek I was anyway um during my sophomore year

[00:03:05] of of college which was also my second year of medical school because I was accepted to the six-year medical school

[00:03:11] where you go to both medical school and college at the same time a friend asked

[00:03:17] me out for dinner on a Sunday night and was at Minsky’s Pizza Parlor in Kansas

[00:03:23] City on Main Street there and he asked me three questions that turned me around

[00:03:31] and put me on this Quest and landed me in this chair tonight and those three questions were Carl you believe in the

[00:03:37] natural origin of the universe yes well how did matter come about how do atoms

[00:03:43] come about because matter doesn’t form naturally now this doesn’t probably excite you or your audience but this is

[00:03:49] like a stunning question for me because it basically decimated the idea that the

[00:03:55] Universe could have formed naturally and then he said the second it was a scientific discussion he said Carl you

[00:04:01] believe in the origin of life in the primordial soup where before this nothing was living just chemicals in the

[00:04:08] primordial soup lightning struck and whatever and the first living cell began

[00:04:13] you how could that be since you know as well as I and I did that DNA proteins

[00:04:19] the large molecules within the cell DNA proteins enzymes do not Farm cannot Farm

[00:04:26] under any any any circumstance and I never thought about it it’s like yeah

[00:04:32] how could Life Begin because DNA is in every living thing and proteins are in every living things and enzymes are in

[00:04:38] every living thing how could Life Begin and this third question is Carl how is

[00:04:43] it possible that evolution is true given the fact that we’ve collected and now

[00:04:50] the number is 1 billion the museums have collected one billion fossils thousand

[00:04:56] museums with a million fossils each approximately and yet each of the animal groups like The

[00:05:02] Fila like you know the arthopods or the starfish kind or whatever each family

[00:05:08] just shows up no evolutionary history it just show up how is that possible given

[00:05:14] the fact that the fossil record so rich you can’t blame it on a poor fossil record and you know I sat there I didn’t

[00:05:23] tip my tip my hand to tell them that I’m you you got me I just pretend like mhm

[00:05:28] you know I’m I’m good yeah I’m good but it bothered me it bothered me to the

[00:05:33] core I was like here I am on a science scholarship I can’t even ask answer the most basic questions about what I

[00:05:40] believe and you know what intellectually I knew his arguments were so powerful

[00:05:46] those three questions that all the other information that I believed in evolution that I just

[00:05:53] quickly thought through it it it couldn’t stand up to those three questions and so and and so at that

[00:06:00] point just real quickly I decided that Evolution isn’t true but I don’t know I don’t know how that’s possible you know

[00:06:07] how how could you explain the fossil record how could you explain the layers how could you explain dinosaurs how could you explain the millions of years

[00:06:14] and I just went then on a 18-year uh Quest the first 18 years that was from

[00:06:20] when I was 19 years old to whatever 37 years old just reading reading reading reading reading and I couldn’t solve

[00:06:26] couldn’t answer a single question and then I talk my wife into going on a

[00:06:31] one-year uh you know Expedition you know on our free time on our vacation set we’d go out interview scientist one year

[00:06:39] and that was in 1997 and it just it took time it just

[00:06:45] took time to get to the bottom of each subject that I examined and at the end of it I don’t

[00:06:51] believe in evolution in fact I’m so sure of it I just want to shout from the

[00:06:57] housetops you know each of these areas of natural ISM like the big bang it couldn’t have occurred original life

[00:07:03] couldn’t have occurred the fossil record doesn’t support it and now this lat

[00:07:08] latest piece uh which we’re going to talk about later I guess is that I have

[00:07:14] uncovered 150 frauds in the field of human evolution so it was just an honest

[00:07:23] I got to get to the bottom of this and uh I’ll just use my own time my own dime

[00:07:29] nobody would support me to try to do this you know it you know I was a physician you know who’s going to help a

[00:07:36] physician look into this who’s going to pay for his way who’s going to help him make a television show nothing so I was

[00:07:41] like Debbie we just got to do this we’ll just we’ll just figure it out let’s just get a camera let’s figure it out you

[00:07:47] know and there we go and uh wow we became very good videographers we became

[00:07:52] very good filmmakers we became very good photographers we we became very good

[00:07:58] producers uh you know with a lot of mistakes at the beginning but that’s the

[00:08:03] unimportant part the important part was that we were accumulating these facts

[00:08:09] that are spread all over that you have to accumulate enough of them and put

[00:08:15] them together and as like oh there’s the answer you know but you can’t do it in one day one week one book reading books

[00:08:22] I don’t think is very successful in getting to the bottom of some of these hard questions because there’s hidden

[00:08:28] facts and so it just just that’s that’s my life that’s Carl Warner’s life in 30

[00:08:35] seconds that is that is absolutely phenomenal and um I have a a bunch of

[00:08:40] questions well the first question is is who was that guy that asked you those questions um did you ever do you are you

[00:08:47] still in touch with that uh gentleman no you know and that was it that was it and you know he planted a seed and went on

[00:08:55] and I we’re we’re just I’ve never followed up with him you know and it’s kind of weird weird he did a a

[00:09:02] lifechanging event in my life and you know it was just hey have you thought

[00:09:07] about this and bye wow that is that is amazing how God

[00:09:13] works I mean that’s encouraging because you know you plant a few seeds and you have no idea what God is going to do

[00:09:19] with that so that that’s encouraging in of itself yeah um but then my other question is is you know I I’m I’ve

[00:09:26] studied creation significantly not not anywhere near the you have but it’s interesting to me because you’re saying

[00:09:32] that a lot of these frauds people are completely unaware of even people that are have been are scientific

[00:09:39] creationists who have been studying this sort of thing you said it’s not the kind of thing you can just get out of a book

[00:09:44] I’m really curious what are some of these frauds you’re referring to that people just aren’t aware of that you

[00:09:50] were able to discover by traveling around the world and uncovering things

[00:09:55] that maybe have never been uncovered before well the first fraud that we

[00:10:02] documented and this is in the episode one of our video series was that the

[00:10:09] scientists at National Geographic knew that when they published

[00:10:15] an article U about a new dinosaur bird you know they think that dinosaurs evolved

[00:10:22] into Birds they knew that it was a fake and they printed it anyway that was in the

[00:10:30] dinosaur to bird Evolution story in episode one and the reason I know that

[00:10:36] was when we interviewed the scientist who both of these are evolutionists we

[00:10:41] interviewed the evolutionist at uh University of Texas I think it was and he had done the CAT scan on this fossil

[00:10:49] I think it called archor Raptor or something like that and uh he told him the National Geographic scientist hey

[00:10:57] this is a very problematic fossil there’s like 27 sources to this fossil

[00:11:03] there’s Bones from this there’s Bones from this there’s Bones from this there’s rocks from this rocks from this they’ve all been glued to glued together

[00:11:11] cleverly now this isn’t a creation of s is this is the evolution scientist saying this and he had the CAT scan he

[00:11:18] showed us the CAT scans which you can see on episode one and see this is a

[00:11:23] problem I anybody could be fooled by these frauds in in the bird dinosaur the

[00:11:29] bird Evolution I was fooled by two of them anybody could make that mistake but

[00:11:35] see he was told the National Geographic scientist was told this is a

[00:11:42] fake here’s the CAT scans and he printed it anyway that’s one wow why now why

[00:11:50] would I’m sure people are thinking you know they’re thinking why would somebody do that why would he go ahead and

[00:11:55] continue to print it if he knew it was fraudulent he’s a damn fool um no excuse

[00:12:01] me no uh no excuse my French but no he was he

[00:12:08] was a foolish but here’s what goes on when you have a big Discovery there is

[00:12:14] prestige and money coming your way and part of you thinks it you’re not going

[00:12:21] to get caught or it’s not going to be exposed and he thought the guy from National Geographic thought nobody will

[00:12:28] come to interview the CAT scan man which I did so you know he he he didn’t think

[00:12:34] it through it was just very poor judgment but that was just one fraud but

[00:12:40] the majority of frauds are in the human evolution field Kevin there Debbie and I

[00:12:48] on our travels this is hard to believe and I’d like to show you some pictures if I

[00:12:54] could but yeah we documented listen to this number

[00:13:02] 150 frauds not mistakes but were the scientist human evolution scientist

[00:13:10] fraudulent fraudulent means he knowingly told this incorrect

[00:13:16] story and he knew that it was misleading the public he knew it was wrong but he

[00:13:22] did it anyway mistake is I’m he’s just a dumb scientist he takes a pig’s tooth and calls it an eight man that’s just

[00:13:28] that’s just dumb but I’m not talking dumb and I’m not talking about overzealous I’m talking

[00:13:35] 150 instances where they knew that what they were portraying

[00:13:42] either in the eight-man fossil their eight-man diagram the eight man chart whatever they knew it was fraud but they

[00:13:50] printed it anyway I I I I I find that number astounding astounding I do I do

[00:13:57] too I and I’m sure anybody who a skeptic or is not a Christian you know a creationist is listening and thinking

[00:14:02] like there’s no way but you have hard evidence that this is the case yeah and I see I love Skeptics

[00:14:09] because I am the worst skeptic I’m the doubting Thomas of all doubting Thomases and I love Skeptics and I love atheist

[00:14:17] Skeptics because that is the only way you’re going to get to the truth and you should be questioning me totally but I’m

[00:14:23] just going to say I’m going to show you a few tonight I can’t show you the 150 but if you watch watch in our eight-part

[00:14:31] video series if you watch episodes five 6 7 and 8 four 50-minute episodes we go

[00:14:40] through all 150 frauds number by number by number by number in a fast kind of

[00:14:46] fun way but we show that it’s clearly fraud that the scientists are lying that they totally misrepresenting they’re

[00:14:52] altering the fossil 150 like one episode we had to divide the episodes up by continent there were so many so it’s

[00:14:58] like okay okay episode five is human evolution frauds carried out by scientists working in North and South

[00:15:04] America then episode 6 is human evolution frauds carried out by scientists working in Africa like the

[00:15:10] Leakes the de biases the darts Etc the episode seven is human evolution fraud

[00:15:16] carried out by scientists working in Europe and that would be like a tumai

[00:15:22] and Michelle beray and um just Neanderthal man just it goes on and on

[00:15:29] and on and on and then the last episode is just devoted to this this last most

[00:15:35] most prominent eight man that’s out there now called tumai and it was fraud fraud fraud it was fraud fraud fraud and

[00:15:43] I know if you don’t believe me you just have to at least spend three bucks and go watch my video on demand and I don’t

[00:15:50] need your money by the way I’m this I I’ve lost so much money on this thing I don’t need your money I’m fine I don’t

[00:15:56] need to sell books or anything like that that’s not my motivation but just spend three bucks the price of a hamburger and

[00:16:02] watch episode eight start with the last show and it kind of summarizes the frauds and then work your way backwards

[00:16:09] and they’re all there and it’s on camera with the scientists admitting the fraud

[00:16:15] or accusing their colleagues of fraud it’s ridiculous and all this is a new story

[00:16:22] by the way no nobody knows this story well I probably i’ just say before the

[00:16:27] creation Community alls we knew about was piltown man that was you know the

[00:16:33] scientist at the Natural History Museum in London he made that eight man up and planted it everyone knows that one and

[00:16:40] people have a sense that there was a scientist called Heckle in in Germany in the 1890s who made up fraudulent

[00:16:47] drawings but that was just two and so I got all these I get all these frauds and

[00:16:53] they’re all documented to the to the nth degree you know wowow I this is you know

[00:17:00] I’m sold I’m I gotta I gotta watch these Dr Dr Werner is my guest this

[00:17:06] evening and um the Grand experiment.com and uh the grand experiment is referring

[00:17:11] to his attempt to determine whether or not Evolution was actually true and uh

[00:17:17] boy he has really uh done a job and uh Dr Werner so so these people that you’re

[00:17:24] exposing essentially um are they concerned I mean are they concerned about this information getting out that

[00:17:30] there’s all this fraud taking place it depends it I’ve had some weird

[00:17:36] reactions um the ones who are accused are generally

[00:17:41] silent and the ones who are Vindicated see because a lot of these frauds also

[00:17:46] involved a um an evolution scientist that was hurt by the fraud you know

[00:17:53] because of either a lie or misrepresentation and like I had this

[00:17:58] one scientist I’m not going to tell you who it is he’s communicating with me I’m like dude I can’t believe you’re you’re

[00:18:04] writing to me like I’m your friend you’re an evolution scientist and he

[00:18:11] he’s so glad that the story finally got set straight and you know that scientist with National Geographic the bird to

[00:18:18] dinosaur dinosaur to bird guy yeah he had been he had been um maligned because

[00:18:25] the scientists who did the fraud said I was never told that he the CAT scan was wrong and that was a lie and so the guy

[00:18:33] that did the CAT scan was more than happy he didn’t care who it was just get my side of the story out and so no I

[00:18:41] don’t know nobody’s like jumping at my jugular vein let’s just put it that way I I don’t know why I’m immune but it’s

[00:18:48] all been fine you know it’s truth is truth wow that’s great well that this is really exciting so let’s get into a few

[00:18:55] of these so that uh our listeners can uh check this out okay I’m going to let you choose the first one we can either

[00:19:01] choose the classic diagram where a ape goes to a human you know with the 14

[00:19:08] intermediate animals that’s one I’ll start there or we can start with the latest eight men that’s just been

[00:19:15] discovered that’s in on display in all the museums called Tumi so you get to choose and I’ll pull up the

[00:19:22] screen which one do you choose okay let’s start with Tumi that sounds Tumi starts it sounds interesting okay can

[00:19:28] you can you see that um screen my screen yep I can I can see it yep so here to my

[00:19:35] is to my Scholars found in 2002 and appeared it’s so big it appeared on

[00:19:41] nature on a cover of Nature and it appeared on the cover of time we interviewed the scientist who

[00:19:49] discovered it his name is Michelle brune he lives in Paris

[00:19:54] and he said this was the oldest apan 7 million years old and he knew that it

[00:20:01] was 7 million years old because he it was dug out of rock I’m telling you all the important facts so pay attention it

[00:20:07] was 7 million years old because it was dug out of rock and The Rock was dated 7 million years old got it and then he

[00:20:14] said the spinal cord hole on the bottom of the skull where the spinal cord

[00:20:19] enters that small hole here called a frame and Magnum was not in the AP position but it was more towards the

[00:20:26] center in the human position and lastly he said we really are pretty sure it

[00:20:32] walked up right but too bad we don’t have any other bones of this

[00:20:38] apman so we’re just going to go with the skull and everything I just said was a

[00:20:44] lie and how do I know this because we interviewed the scientist heign and it we actually interviewed the

[00:20:51] scientist who actually was there when it was found the scientist promoting it wasn’t even there but he he claimed it

[00:20:57] as you know it was his dig site so it was his fossil so that’s what the skull

[00:21:03] looks like it’s on display in every large Museum today and all the skulls are wrong here is the Day of Discovery maybe

[00:21:12] an hour or two after it was discovered and this is how it was found the skull

[00:21:17] was laying on top of sand it was not buried in rock and they

[00:21:24] couldn’t date The Rock in Chad where this fossil was found in the Z Rob

[00:21:29] desert all most of the fossils that are found are just laying on top of the sand and you have no idea how they got there

[00:21:35] they could have got there in the flash flooding in the wet season it could have been wind they had these big wind storms

[00:21:42] they could have been moved by animals etc etc he did not quote un dig it out

[00:21:48] of the ground it was not dug out of the ground it laying on Sand so that was the first lie the second lie and thank

[00:21:54] goodness the doctor that was actually there took all these photos s and thank goodness he was malign cuz we actually

[00:22:00] get the real story he said there was no other bone of this animal found there no

[00:22:06] other you know primate but this bone happened to be there and it’s a primate

[00:22:12] femur and it looks like a chimp femur and he kept this secret for 17

[00:22:20] years he he wrote in the science journals there was no other extremity B

[00:22:25] there was no extremity bones there was no other bones except the jaw and the skull just the head and yet this picture

[00:22:32] shows here’s a femur now why would he not want to bring this femur to light

[00:22:38] I’ll show you here is a modern chimp uh femur I took photographs of and this is the this

[00:22:45] is one bone shown in four different views you get that so the chimp is just turning you know and then here’s that

[00:22:51] one bone that was out there it just shot from four different angles and this bone when you lay it

[00:22:59] over the chimpanzee femur it’s oh wow it’s like oh wow and

[00:23:07] yet no museum has this femur on display next to the skull this should be the

[00:23:12] front and center like you’re saying Dr brune Who who’s promoting this fossil

[00:23:18] you’re saying this animal walked upright because of the skull shape but yet you

[00:23:24] have a chimpanzee femur chimpan like femur that was found right next to it

[00:23:31] and chimpanzees walk on all fours so why did you hide it why did you not bring

[00:23:38] this out I mean that that’s that’s another fraud okay that’s two frauds and we got more to

[00:23:44] go remember I told you that he said the spinal cord hole was in the ape position

[00:23:52] I mean in the human position here’s a spinal cord hole and here’s the spinal cord hole here’s the CAT scan image

[00:23:58] here’s the image that they created and you’ll notice that there is white bone

[00:24:04] missing on his newly recreated model see he took the cat he took the the original

[00:24:09] fossil and did a CAT scan then he moved the bones around and he was able to move

[00:24:15] the hole the frame and Magnum because there was bone missing it allowed him to move this bone I’m going to show you in

[00:24:21] just a second what and here’s a scientist Michelle Bernay who who did these frauds

[00:24:26] okay here is how you get to to farm an eight man you got a gorilla skull here

[00:24:32] you see the frame and Magnums in the back of the skull you got a human it’s more towards

[00:24:37] the center and when they found the skull it was all distorted you can see it’s distorted because the teeth line up with

[00:24:44] the center of the frame and Magnum see that the teeth the teeth should be over here to the side but they the whole

[00:24:50] skull is screwed up and what he did is that he deconstructed this and he had a

[00:24:59] choice on this on the frame and Magnum see the frame and Magnums even distorted he had a choice with this bone here now

[00:25:06] this bone here in red is this bone here you see that that’s that’s the front of

[00:25:12] the frame and Magnum he had a choice he could have turned this side down and

[00:25:17] then he would have had an ape skull in other words he could have when he took all the part pieces apart and

[00:25:23] put them together he could have just moved this down and he would had it would have been in this position down

[00:25:28] here but instead he took this side and moved it up do you see that yep I see it yep and

[00:25:36] so he could move he could move the frame and Magnum and by the way he’s the second scientist in Paris that’s done

[00:25:42] this the other one was the Neanderthal scientist in 1908 u m Marcel and buul so

[00:25:47] he had good teacher how to be do a fraud like this and um he would not allow his

[00:25:55] colleagues and other colleagues and my self a film company which he didn’t realize I was questioning Evolution he

[00:26:02] would not let me see the CAT scan he would not let me have photographs of the original fossils he would not let me

[00:26:08] photograph the F the the fossil reconstruction he keps he keeps it all hidden because he knows as soon as

[00:26:14] everyone could get a hold of this they’ say you move this so that’s one

[00:26:20] scientist that’s four frauds and um that is nauseating I find

[00:26:27] that nause I that’s that’s unreal that’s unreal and

[00:26:32] Kevin I’m saying that was four I still have 46 to go and they’re all as crazy

[00:26:40] as that and the only reason I was able to get this is because we got into the

[00:26:45] museums we got into the scientists they didn’t realize that we weren’t evolutionists so but that shouldn’t

[00:26:51] matter they should tell you the same story and they and they told us these stories and it just one

[00:26:59] after another after another that makes I conclude that the theory of

[00:27:04] evolution which had been hanging on to human evolution all the other proofs have really kind of Fallen apart you

[00:27:10] know whale evolution dinosaur to bird all these other proofs have fallen apart the origin of the universe origin of

[00:27:16] Life all of it doesn’t work the fossil record you know but they’ve been all hanging on to human evolution as well

[00:27:24] it’s true you all of evolution all of naturalism is true

[00:27:29] but now with 150 frauds that we uncovered are are exposed plus there’s

[00:27:37] probably another 150 that we didn’t find out about because most scientists do a pretty good job on their frauds and

[00:27:42] don’t admit it some of these guys did yeah so that’s another 150 so this would

[00:27:48] mean that there’s hundreds and hundreds of frauds plus there’s hundreds and

[00:27:54] hundreds of mistakes there’s let’s see 232 eight men have been over returned you know plus there’s

[00:28:01] 41,000 8man tools that have been overturned by the evolution

[00:28:07] scientists and so now I say we have reached the Tipping Point everyone

[00:28:12] should get up on the rooftop tonight and Shout it’s over the theory of evolution

[00:28:17] is over th this is it if this doesn’t convince our cause pause for the most serious Evolution

[00:28:25] scientists or atheists um well well I don’t think I could ever you know crack that nut you know but this is just it it

[00:28:33] it actually nauseates me when I discuss this because I just like it’s maning

[00:28:39] that someone would take that that level of authority you trust your doctor you trust your scientist you trust I don’t

[00:28:45] know you don’t trust the politicians but but you know you trust these guys and you just assume that since he’s a

[00:28:51] scientist he’s going to tell you the truth and now man this field is blown

[00:28:57] out of the water well it’s crazy it’s it’s almost as if there’s a massive amount of exposure T

[00:29:03] taking place where um all the fraud across the board is being exposed I mean

[00:29:09] we’re dealing with what happened with covid we’re dealing with what happened all all throughout um you know the media

[00:29:16] and everything else the government everything it’s crazy it’s almost as if there’s just this Grand uncovering and

[00:29:22] how long ago did you did you finish your this project how long ago was that

[00:29:28] completed so I’m going to tell a story on myself uh you should never tell

[00:29:35] yourself make yourself look bad but I’m going to tell you a story that’s so bad show you how ignorant I am so we filmed

[00:29:42] from 1997 on this human evolution project till present you know last year and

[00:29:49] during that time I wrote up um the book series that went along with it excuse me

[00:29:55] just a second I wrote up two books and I wrote up this book called Untold Stories

[00:30:00] of human evolution now there’s a point in this story so listen tight listen carefully so this book covers the eight

[00:30:07] men the five eight men that were promoted by 40 Evolution scientists that

[00:30:13] were made out of regular non primate animals like dolphin bones they changed

[00:30:19] them into eight man pig bones pig teeth um donkey

[00:30:25] skulls uh dog bones cat bones all these kind of bones were created in made into

[00:30:32] an eight-man and that was my first book okay now I still hadn’t discovered the

[00:30:37] fraud yet I noticed there was a few frauds in this book but I wrote it up it just came out this year you know okay so

[00:30:43] then I’m writing up the second book I shouldn’t be telling you this but

[00:30:49] anyway I wrote up the second book and this one is called Nine categories of

[00:30:55] overturned eight men and as a scientist I’m thinking okay there’s these 232 Apen

[00:31:01] that have been overturned I mean they’re they’re not Apen what were they you know and so I like how do you attack

[00:31:07] something like that okay so I decided oh I’ll just divide them into categories and it came up that the categories were

[00:31:13] things like some of these Apen were made out of monkey bones you know the little guys and some of them were made out of

[00:31:19] clearly ape bones and some of them were made out of humans that were recently B

[00:31:25] buried they the bones weren’t even fossilized ized and some of them were made up of the non primate mammals some

[00:31:31] of them were made up by altering fossils one was made up by a reptile bone etc

[00:31:38] etc so that was what I did and so about two years ago as I’m finishing up this

[00:31:44] book and I’m still waiting for the publisher why don’t you help me and publish these things and there was a

[00:31:49] there was a master plan coming from above and I didn’t I didn’t get what was going on and so as I’m writing up the

[00:31:57] back cover of this book the second book I’m all done and I wrot started to write

[00:32:02] out this sentence I said during the filming of this uh and the create you know the interviews during this book

[00:32:09] series uh several instances of fraud were noted and I thought to myself Carl this

[00:32:17] is a back cover that’s kind of a weak statement what do you mean several okay how many were frauds how many frauds did

[00:32:25] you see document I said have to count them up and I started going okay well there was that that guy yeah there was

[00:32:31] one there was that guy there was 10 there yeah there was that guy there was 35 with Dr Dart and yeah there was Dr

[00:32:39] Bull and it’s kept going and and I kept going and I’m kept going and I was like oh my gosh this just jumped off the page

[00:32:46] just like my living fossils book it just jump once you asked the right question it just jumps off the page and this

[00:32:53] jumping off the page was there’s frauds everywhere I didn’t realize it until about 2 years ago and I’m still waiting

[00:32:59] for the publisher you know to print the book and so then even though the books are done and the two videos are done I

[00:33:04] said shoot I’m I have to go back and make four more videos about the fraud so we added the four videos about the fraud

[00:33:12] and so yeah that that’s that’s how stupid I was I missed it all and it

[00:33:18] would just almost snuck underneath me and if God hadn’t stopped the project at the publisher level I would have just

[00:33:25] you know published and never have caught it you know oh well that’s that’s huge I mean the

[00:33:32] amount of fraud is just amazing um so so Dr Warner um you also referen in your

[00:33:38] Series in the grand experiment series you referen living fossils also um just tell us a little bit about that for our

[00:33:44] guests for our listeners who are interested in um that aspect of you know the evolutionary claims well the theory

[00:33:52] of evolution says that animals changed over time and the theory of evolution

[00:33:57] always promotes the idea that during the time of the dinosaurs the animals were strange and unusual and if you go to a

[00:34:04] museum display today anywhere in the world and I’ve been I’ve seen them all you know

[00:34:10] they just show you the dinosaurs and strange and unusual animals with the dinosaurs and I this was back 20 years

[00:34:19] ago I made this conjecture as a scientist you know like okay if evolution isn’t true and I had a lot of

[00:34:27] evidence for that that I said that would mean that creation is true if creation is true that means that all the animals

[00:34:32] were created at once and then they got mixed together in a big washing machine called the Noah’s flood so there’d have

[00:34:40] to be lots of human um modern animals found next to dinosaurs and so and I knew of none and

[00:34:48] we started going to Dinosaur dig sites and asking have you Mr Dinosaur

[00:34:54] paleontologist have you ever found a modern appearing animal at your uh dig site a modern animal and

[00:35:02] they’d always say no and I’d say well huh well I don’t know how to make how to

[00:35:07] bring this all together we go from sight to sight to site and we’d say have you

[00:35:12] found any modern animals mixed with the dinosaurs that you’re digging up no no no no no no then I thought about it and

[00:35:19] I asked the question differently I said have you found any animals that kind of look like modern animals next to the

[00:35:26] dinosaurs oh yes we found a duck next to a

[00:35:33] dinosaur did did he say duck oh oh yeah we found a an iguana next to the

[00:35:41] dinosaur we found a bull constrictor next to Dinosaur we found a box turtle

[00:35:46] we found a posum we found you know it just goes on and on and on and on and what I realized was that the evolution

[00:35:53] scientists had created the illusion of evolution ution and the way they did

[00:35:59] that is first of all they didn’t display the modern animals with the Dinosaurs has anyone ever seen a

[00:36:05] dinosaur display with a duck flying or sitting on the back of a T-rex or a boa

[00:36:11] constrictor wrapped around a T-Rex’s leg you know or a flamingo next to a a

[00:36:16] Stegosaurus no see this is a fraudulent presentation of the facts because all

[00:36:22] those animals did live with Dinosaurs they’ve been found with the dinosaurs and what they the way they got away with

[00:36:27] it and you can see this in my book living fossils and in the Beautiful video that we shot on the great berry

[00:36:33] reef is they simply Chang the species name they’d have two animals that would

[00:36:38] You’ set the the fossil next to the living animal maybe a starfish and a starfish or a crawfish and a crawfish or

[00:36:45] a lobster and a lobster and you set them next to each other on the same page or in the same frame of the video they look

[00:36:52] like the exact same animal and they were found the fossil one was found next

[00:36:58] dinosaurs and yet they name them a completely different genus Group which

[00:37:03] is that is bogus and when you okay one is one is okay make a mistake but the

[00:37:09] whole field that’s what they’ve done with the whole field every plant every animal when when they find modern

[00:37:16] appearing animals they don’t call it um a possum they call it something else when they don’t they don’t call it a

[00:37:22] starfish the starfish they call it you know some other genus group and so if you’re just reading about it ever

[00:37:27] comparing photos with fossils of modern animals with the fossils found with Dinosaurs you would never get

[00:37:34] it but that’s interesting that’s really that’s really amazing um so your the

[00:37:39] whole book is dedicated to these sorts of findings is that yeah yeah every page I don’t know if I have it here I don’t

[00:37:45] have it handy here but every page okay you open it up okay so here’s

[00:37:50] a dinosaur that was found near it or the kind of dinosaur here’s the dinosaur

[00:37:56] here’s a fossil found in that layer and it looks like a you know uh like a rose

[00:38:01] bush or something and then here’s the picture of the modern flower and so

[00:38:06] every page you turn it it’s very simple to read it only takes an hour you know here’s the fossil here’s the living

[00:38:12] animal here’s the dinosaur and then you all of a sudden you realize these guys have basically hid these hid the fact that

[00:38:19] the modern animals were living with the Dinosaurs which is what you would expect with the Garden of Eden scenario you

[00:38:25] know that you would find yeah those this completely debunks um The

[00:38:31] evolutionary time frames too because dinosaurs supposedly went extinct 65 million years ago all these other

[00:38:36] creatures evolve far later and so uh this is not information

[00:38:42] that somebody who’s a proponent of evolution is going to be like whoa no no no no no this can’t be um because

[00:38:48] everything just completely falls apart um completely we’ve already started to see this with with the fact that they’re

[00:38:53] finding you know dinosaur blood in inside um yes fossilized bones and these sorts of things so I’m just curious from

[00:39:01] your experience you know as you’re releasing these books and these sorts of things um what are your thoughts about

[00:39:06] uh how this is going to impact because you know there’s been a lot of stuff that’s been debunked about Evolution

[00:39:11] over time and the question is is what kind of impact are your findings going

[00:39:16] to have on you know public high school education or you know the theuh

[00:39:23] textbooks the science textbooks that are coming out now and the university classrooms I was blown away I had a

[00:39:29] student call me or or message me from Baylor University saying that they were

[00:39:34] still teaching in her science class that um the Miller Yuri experiment

[00:39:40] demonstrated that life can come from non-life which I was just astonished that that was being taught at a

[00:39:45] Christian University in the science classroom something that has been completely debunked and yet there it is

[00:39:52] um how do you feel about that in regards to uh uh is this actually going to make

[00:39:58] um I know it makes a difference so but how big of an impact are these findings do you anticipate this this having well

[00:40:06] it depends on your listeners uh because I’ve done the work but I live

[00:40:13] under Rock You know I’m not on social media I have you know I’m very isolated

[00:40:19] you know I just I just just me and my wife we go play golf you know and I don’t I don’t I’m not connected I could

[00:40:25] try to do various things get press releases which we have all done that but no the it’s a lockdown from above you

[00:40:32] know like no national press picked up my story about the 150 frauds which is astounding you know yeah so it’s going

[00:40:39] to have to come from your listeners the body of Christ that anybody who has a

[00:40:47] penchant for truth and shouting from the mous Housetop

[00:40:53] roofs uh getting on social media talking to your friends showing them the books

[00:41:00] it it it it no it starts with us it it doesn’t start with the national media I

[00:41:05] I hoped they they would have done it but they didn’t so now it’s back to us you know you have hundreds and hundreds of

[00:41:11] listeners just imagine if everybody gets this message and say oh my gosh I’m

[00:41:17] going to go get that book and I’m going to show the living fossils argument to anybody that listen and I’ll talk about

[00:41:24] it on social media and you you know talking about it on your radio program

[00:41:29] and so it’s going to go slow it’s going to be um it’s going to be a a dog fight

[00:41:35] and this isn’t the first time this happened where a big theory has gone down this happened with spontaneous generation in

[00:41:42] 1859 it happened with you know different different things it just it takes decades and decades you know Galileo and

[00:41:49] cernus they had a hundred years trying to convince the world that you know that the Earth wasn’t the center of the

[00:41:54] universe it’s just going to take it’s going to be a dog fight and everybody listening I’m just putting this on your

[00:42:01] lap you know I can’t do anymore you got to do it you got to pick it up watch a video and then go show it to your

[00:42:07] grandkid show it to your teacher show ask your church to play it I don’t know what you creative way you would do it

[00:42:14] but it’s it’s us it’s nobody else it’s just the 500 of us you know we we got to

[00:42:20] do it together amen amen that’s awesome if you’re listening and um you like what

[00:42:26] you’re hearing the grand experience .c Dr wner uh he’s got uh a bunch of books

[00:42:32] and a video series on this right if you don’t like to read you can watch the videos but just a incredible wealth of

[00:42:39] information that honestly you’re not going to get um as far as I know anywhere else so uh this is a wonderful

[00:42:46] opportunity and these are great ways to segue into the gospel honestly um you know you take some of this information

[00:42:52] and it can crack the door of a person’s heart uh and Dr Warner your own story is a testament to that that this guy just

[00:42:58] happened to have this brief conversation with you and it just transformed your life and then through that God has used

[00:43:05] um your transformed life in order to impact uh thousands if not Millions down the road so uh what an incredible um

[00:43:13] opportunity the Grand experiment.com and uh Dr Warner we’re just about out of time but um I would love to have you on

[00:43:20] again in the future because uh this there’s just so much to talk about I mean we just we just did a uh you know

[00:43:27] uh fly over here real quick but um there is so many details I think that are really interesting to talk about oh I

[00:43:33] would love to come back and share some you know like I said we only did four of the frauds I think that was to my I’d

[00:43:40] love to share 20 or 30 more on a show with you if you if you had the stomach

[00:43:45] for that and um and by the way I’ll just give you a little teaser if we come back

[00:43:52] you know is you know the the pig tooth uh yeah Nebraska ask man yeah you

[00:43:58] know that wasn’t a mistake that was a knowing purposeful fraud and I got the

[00:44:07] goods on that so I I’ll sign I’ll sign off on that and and you can you can chew

[00:44:12] on that till till I get well well I’m gonna invite you back so this is this is

[00:44:18] amazing stuff and I’m gonna I’m gonna buy your stuff too because um I am an apologetics teacher so I teach 12th

[00:44:24] grade students and we cover uh the the record but um not in any uh anywhere

[00:44:31] near the detail that you’ve uh just shared with us that you have um dug up

[00:44:36] so that’s awesome you’ll have so much fun with your students showing them the videos and um you know uh the videos

[00:44:45] these videos cost a buttload of money to make and uh you know like the one on

[00:44:51] living fossils we went to the Barrier Reef went to the rainforest we went we had to go to all these places I had to

[00:44:56] dive in Mexico and it’s you know so enjoy the fruit of our labor because um

[00:45:03] it will make a pleasant experience for your kids or your students adult

[00:45:08] students and um you guys will have so much fun just coming along I say coming

[00:45:14] along on my grand experiment because that’s basically what you’re doing and um it just yeah you’ll be

[00:45:22] connected I love it I love it thank you so much uh for all the effort you put into to this um it is well worth it um I

[00:45:30] know that God is going to use it in a massive way he already has and I know he’ll continue to do so so thank you so

[00:45:35] much for this evening Dr W I really appreciate your time you know I just want other plug is if if there wasn’t

[00:45:42] these Ministries like yours uh I’d be dead in water you know

[00:45:47] if the national media doesn’t pick it up how would I get this how would I get this out you know so it’s like all these

[00:45:55] Ministries the that have podcasts and and you know YouTubes and live stream

[00:46:00] events and stuff like that okay maybe you’re only hitting 500,000 people at a time but you

[00:46:07] eventually will hit a lot of people and if can you imagine if there were no Christians standing up and saying let’s

[00:46:13] do a podcast and we’ll cover all the topics like you guys do so anybody listening you need to send these guys

[00:46:20] some money uh for their Ministry because it cost them expensive money you know to divide their equipment and all this work

[00:46:28] so you know we are very dependent on on on this program here so I am let me just

[00:46:33] say that so that that’s my last uh Soap Box thanks I appreciate it from from one

[00:46:40] bald guy to another thank you Bal guys dominate there you go and uh you know

[00:46:48] it’s the body of Christ working together that’s what the Lord does all around the world he’s doing it constantly through the Holy Spirit and uh we’re just so

[00:46:54] grateful for what Christ has done for us and and just want to share the good news um so if you’re listening again Dr

[00:47:00] Warner the grand experiment.com my website is educate forlife.org all kinds of resources on there for you to use uh

[00:47:07] if you’ve got a co-op homeschool Co-op or a home fellowship or uh whatever it is a group that wants to grow confident

[00:47:14] in their faith um educate forlife.org that’s my website and uh really appreciate you listening to us and

[00:47:21] taking the time to be with us we’re going to have another fantastic interview coming up um we’ve got a whole bunch lined up that are just incredible

[00:47:27] so hope you’ll join us next time and in the meantime have a great evening and have a great week God bless you when you

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