Is Abortion Ever Acceptable? – Rebecca Kiessling

[00:00:00] and now here’s your host Kevin Conover bring your time welcome to educate for

[00:00:07] life I’m your host Kevin Conover my website is joined educate for life org it’s 40 online classes defending the

[00:00:13] truth of the Bible in those classes I cover all kinds of subjects I’ve been teaching apologetics for 11 years and we

[00:00:19] cover all kinds of things like how do I know God exists how do I know the Bible is actually the inspired Word of God is

[00:00:26] there actual historical evidence to confirm the history record in the Bible what about creation evolution and

[00:00:33] another one of the topics I cover in that class is the issue of abortion and the pro-life viewpoint and how we argue

[00:00:40] that both scientifically biblically logically and so forth and we’re gonna be talking a little bit about that today

[00:00:46] because right now up at the Supreme Court there is a case going on I had

[00:00:51] Dean Dean Broyles on the air not too long ago he’s with the National Center for law on policy and right now what’s happening in

[00:00:59] California is a law was passed that basically said that pro-life pregnancy

[00:01:04] care clinics have to advertise for abortion services in their waiting rooms

[00:01:10] and it’s pretty pretty blatant they require the font to be a 22 font it’s

[00:01:16] got to be right where people can see it and you have to hand out flyers or have it posted in your waiting room and a lot

[00:01:22] of people are very upset about this and so this is now at the Supreme Court and it sniffler versus Becerra and Dean

[00:01:31] Broyles is involved along with the Alliance defending freedom in trying to get rid of this law it’s a it’s actually

[00:01:37] compelled speech it’s forcing people to essentially violate their conscience by

[00:01:43] advertising for abortion in a pro-life clinic and my guest today is Rebecca

[00:01:48] Kiessling and she has an amazing testimony she’s actually an attorney also but she was

[00:01:56] conceived through rape and a Rebecca thank you so much for being on the air with us today well thank you very much

[00:02:02] for having me absolutely and I was wondering if we could just start off by going back to you know kind of you know

[00:02:10] how as far as growing up did you grow up been a Christian family and how did you deal with this as a young person growing

[00:02:17] up with the knowledge that you were conceived through rape such a horrible

[00:02:23] traumatic thing well actually I was adopted and raised in a secular atheist

[00:02:31] – Jewish family that makes any sense a

[00:02:36] theist is that right most Jewish families are more secular yeah at least

[00:02:42] in the community where I was that was true and my parents sent me to three

[00:02:47] years or five years of Hebrew school three days a week I was but Mitzvah so I

[00:02:53] was taught at a conservative synagogue so I mean you know we were taught to

[00:02:58] believe in God I wasn’t like we was reformed but my parents didn’t do any of it at home okay I never saw my parents

[00:03:05] pray and it was actually my atheist Jewish grandmother who taught me her pro-life values because after my

[00:03:14] grandfather died I was about 14 or 15 and she began to share this story that when she was pregnant with my aunt who’s

[00:03:22] the younger of her two children and my grandfather had told her to go and get an abortion and she said I never loved

[00:03:30] him again after that she’d say how could they do that how could they kill the babies and I had a face to the issue I

[00:03:38] mean this was my aunt who I adored I couldn’t imagine I was so angry that my grandfather had wanted my aunt killed

[00:03:44] and it was my aunt’s daughter who

[00:03:50] basically betrayed my grandmother by having an abortion herself like a couple

[00:03:56] years before that and I know it devastated my grandmother but she she had kept a secret the family secret

[00:04:03] for so many years and so she wasn’t able to influence the values of her family you know by telling that story maybe my

[00:04:11] niece would have valued life more if she had known this story about her own

[00:04:18] mother Wow now how did how did you come to find out I mean when did your parents

[00:04:25] decide to make you aware that you were conceived through rape they didn’t know I learned when I was 18

[00:04:34] and I received with coal mine an identifying information it had a lot of details about my birth mother but all it

[00:04:40] said for my biological father was that he was Caucasian and of large build and of course I thought that sounds like a

[00:04:47] police description so I called my caseworker and just asked you know with my mom right and she said yeah I didn’t

[00:04:54] want to tell you and so my parents didn’t know how to deal with it um they

[00:05:00] kept saying things like oh there must be some mistake or a whole lot of when we used to lie about being raped like no

[00:05:07] they didn’t so Michigan was not like a rape exception stage there was no reason

[00:05:12] for her to make up this story and when I met her she sold me in on the horrific

[00:05:18] details and it was like one of those truly worst-case scenarios and most

[00:05:24] women don’t want to acknowledge that this horrible thing was done there’s a book called I never called it rape and

[00:05:29] it’s very difficult for a woman actually to admit that this horrific thing was

[00:05:35] done to them my understanding is that abducted yeah go ahead I’m sorry she was

[00:05:42] abducted at knifepoint by a serial rapist and brutally raped Wow

[00:05:50] yeah that’s absolutely awful and I’ve heard the stats on the amount of women that don’t report a rape that takes

[00:05:56] place and so you know our culture and especially with what’s come out recently

[00:06:01] and with all the sexual abuse and so forth but so when you found out about

[00:06:09] this when you found out were you a Christian at that point at 18 years old or were you were you believing in God or

[00:06:17] what was your what were your spiritual views at that point so I first came to know Christ when I was 15 I had a friend

[00:06:26] invited me to hear a special speaker who laid out the mess the gospel and he

[00:06:32] actually went through Old Testament prophecy and they were so compelling to me and I am believed at night I raised

[00:06:40] my hand went to an altar call but I knew that with my family like this was a war oh yeah I mean I might as well tell my

[00:06:47] parents I joined the Nazi Party you know because this was like the greatest betrayal for them even though they were

[00:06:52] you know its atheist this was a huge betrayal yeah I had on that and they did

[00:06:58] not handle it well I had a gentleman on the radio who who is a part of the

[00:07:04] Messianic Jewish movement and he told me that basically his family identified as

[00:07:09] we don’t believe in Jesus that was their their thing as Jews more than

[00:07:14] identifying with the Jewish culture or nationality so yeah that must’ve yeah oh yeah and and and the whole I didn’t even

[00:07:23] know they didn’t believe in God like Jews don’t eat pork you know and it was funny like all of all of the terrible

[00:07:31] things that the do I mean this is how my family talked all of my family extended family talked about the going

[00:07:38] you know the going on which is a derogatory term for Gentile and I was

[00:07:46] called shiksa when I would go to the High Holidays to the synagogue because I

[00:07:52] was full you know real blonde girl Oh thought the shiksa I mean they just like knew you know my heritage wasn’t Jewish

[00:07:59] I’m not my what does that mean shiksa what does that mean success a derogatory

[00:08:04] term for a non-jewish girl so like they would say oh you may marry the shiksa

[00:08:11] you know I go with a terrible thing you know because they believe that you are whatever your mother’s religion is so

[00:08:17] with much worse to them if if a guy

[00:08:22] marries a shiksa Wow because you’re supposed to you know and that’s why I would say to them it just has nothing to

[00:08:28] do with faith yeah you are one of your mother’s womb isn’t it yeah they would

[00:08:33] home to that I always heard that growing up well that’s amazing well what a crazy

[00:08:38] upbringing and so so you you at fifteen accept Christ and now I’ve heard of

[00:08:45] Jewish parents actually kind of almost disowning they’re their children after did that happen to you or what how did

[00:08:52] you move forward it was rough I mean my parents took me to see the rabbi who dipped me in water

[00:08:59] when I was three years old it’s called the miksa which means blessing but as you can imagine it’s sort of like the

[00:09:05] baptism of John and they explained how I was like a purification Rite and they

[00:09:12] explained how I was made dua SH and I didn’t really have any other choice about it and then that’s what they said beside you are whatever your mother’s

[00:09:19] religion is and you know I said so there’s nothing with faith my dad said that’s right tradition and he started

[00:09:25] saying like from on the roof you know you should be a character he could be funny but he could also be really cool

[00:09:30] oh wow okay well we’re coming up on a break here and for those of you listening who are listening and we’re

[00:09:36] streaming live here on Facebook so my guest today is Rebecca Kiessling and you can learn more about her on her website

[00:09:42] Rebecca Kiessling calm her last name is spelled ki ESS Li ng and she she was

[00:09:50] conceived through rape and then grew up in a Jewish secular family and so we’re

[00:09:56] gonna continue to have this discussion we’re gonna talk about is it right for a woman to consider abortion in the rape

[00:10:04] scenario and she’s gonna be talking and sharing with us her opinion in her view on this and please go to her website

[00:10:10] Rebecca Kiessling comm we’re gonna be right back [Music]

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[00:13:34] you want to be encouraged about that my guest today is Rebecca Kiessling and she is a pro-life speaker and also an

[00:13:41] attorney and she has it’s personal to her she has a testimony she was conceived through rape and Rebecca when

[00:13:46] we left off on the last segment we were talking about the fact that it wasn’t

[00:13:52] till you were 18 that you found out about this and you were a Christian by that point so how did that I had gone

[00:13:58] away oh you had okay after after about yeah after about nine months I felt forsaken by my church friends they would

[00:14:05] toilet paper the house of whoever did show up to youth group and you know I would always stay in the car this isn’t

[00:14:12] right it’s not fair to the parents and they said well they’re Christians they’ll forgive us I said well you know I don’t ever see this happening but if I

[00:14:18] miss one week please don’t do it to my house because my parents are not Christian and they won’t forgive you all

[00:14:24] my children it’s my house yeah and they did it’s my house and my parents like ditch of your Christian band you know

[00:14:32] and hisses and and they didn’t call didn’t come to pick me up and that Sunday morning and nothing when school

[00:14:40] started we month later she wouldn’t talk to me Wow and I was totally like disenchanted

[00:14:47] like what happened there this piece you know and I did feel like wow this is

[00:14:52] Christian this is like this is so confusing my quest for meeting my birth family was

[00:14:59] part of my journey to find my value identity and purpose

[00:15:04] I saw the movie roots even though I felt for the Jewish people and all of my

[00:15:09] Jewish I know well to my family’s ancestors who have been killed in the Holocaust I knew

[00:15:15] they want my people and I thought that meaning my birth mother was going to

[00:15:21] give me those roots and so I could find where I fit into this world and as you

[00:15:27] can imagine instead it was just so much worse yeah I can’t imagine and so you

[00:15:34] you you you fall away so at what point in your life did you end up coming back to Christ and what was it that compelled

[00:15:41] you to come back to Christ I was in law school and I was beat up to

[00:15:48] by a boyfriend from law school he broke my jaw my front tooth is hanging I eventually lost my front tooth I had

[00:15:54] made some of the worst decisions of my life during that dark period trying to

[00:16:00] make up for everything that I learned everything that had been done to me my abusive family I was raised in hearing

[00:16:07] that my birth mother even though she want to meet me that she had tried to kill me at two back-alley abortions

[00:16:13] she was pro-choice when we met told me it should have been her light I just had

[00:16:19] no foundation and I I wanted to make up

[00:16:26] for all that hurt by proving my worth by proving that I was lovable and I would jump into these relationships and it was

[00:16:35] when I was beat up that again someone invited me to church and they share

[00:16:40] their faith with me and it was they were the small group of young adults and they all share their faith with me and that

[00:16:48] is how I was reconciled to Christ and during that time there was tremendous

[00:16:54] growth were you know I was presented with Scripture how you become you know

[00:16:59] baby Christian and it’s in the spirit of adoption and that was revolutionary for

[00:17:06] me because I had always thought that adoption was second best last resort you know my parents would would not have

[00:17:12] wanted me if they didn’t have to and so to hear that adoption with God’s first choice and a picture of his love for us

[00:17:19] was you know incredible and then the family tree was no longer painful for me

[00:17:25] because we’re told that were grafted it through Christ and so now I can’t embrace the Jews as being my people just

[00:17:33] like um roots ignore your people will be my people John your God will be my god your people will be my people now that’s where I’m

[00:17:41] at instead of sort of running from Judaism that rejected me towards

[00:17:46] Christianity now it was entirely different so and I came to know my value

[00:17:52] identity and purpose in Christ that’s amazing was created I’m not a child of the

[00:18:00] Wraith Osama trial of God God created me in His image for a purpose

[00:18:06] my life was stared for a purpose and that’s Ephesians 1:5 God decided in

[00:18:12] advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ this is what he wanted to do and

[00:18:18] it gave him great pleasure and like you’re saying what an incredible test

[00:18:23] just met afford a picture that God is adopting us as heirs with Christ we are

[00:18:29] the brothers and sisters of Christ and we get the inheritance of eternal life that’s right and my parents kept

[00:18:35] threatening to disown me they kept trying to sell my brother because she was in and out of jail in prison eventually my dad just did this on me my

[00:18:44] adoptive father and but that’s okay because I share in a greater inheritance

[00:18:50] absolutely yeah now do you do clear I won’t be forsaken you know though my mother and father

[00:18:56] forsake me though the Lord will receive me amen amen and for those of you listening you know

[00:19:01] what a powerful message that Rebekah is sharing with us here through her own life and through what she’s been through

[00:19:06] that if you’re out there and you’re listening and you feel like hey I feel disowned for my own family or I feel

[00:19:13] estranged from my family or my my friendships or I’ve lost them that’s the great thing

[00:19:18] about God and and our Father and Jesus Christ is that they’re arms are always

[00:19:23] welcoming to us and and no matter how much of a prodigal son or daughter we are God is waiting for us and praying

[00:19:29] for us and loving us to come home to him so take heart through that now Rebecca

[00:19:35] you are you’re currently at a major pro-life event is that right yeah yeah

[00:19:42] it officially starts tomorrow there’s unofficially it started today we had a

[00:19:48] personhood board meeting I’m the founder and president of st. the 1 we are an

[00:19:54] at-large affiliate of personhood Alliance one of the other allied organizations is Cleveland way to life

[00:20:02] and they sponsor the bringing America back to life conference which is the largest pro-life conference in the u.s.

[00:20:08] outside of the Metro so give us an update on what’s currently what’s the status currently in America

[00:20:14] as far as what what are the trends that are happening within I mean you heard me start off the segment with what’s happening in California with nifflas

[00:20:20] you’re probably aware of that what other trends are happening how does the body of Christ need to be praying for for

[00:20:26] what’s happening currently in our country oh gosh I mean there’s so many funds and

[00:20:32] it is really being the body of Christ because you know even within the pro-life movement some people are the

[00:20:38] hands and the feet and eyes and you know and there’s so many different roles to play and you know you could just say oh

[00:20:44] all of the above but you know God uses our gifts and talents and experiences to

[00:20:50] put us in just the right place but yeah I mean it’s every front you can think of

[00:20:56] a growing trend that I am thrilled about is all this pro-life legislation that’s

[00:21:03] getting passed at the state level without exceptions meaning we still have

[00:21:10] problems at the federal level but at the state level it’s just growing more and more legislators who are 100% pro-life

[00:21:16] yeah that’s very exciting I’ve seen so many positive things happening with the

[00:21:21] ultrasound equipment and other things I have several quite a few friends here in San Diego that are working in the

[00:21:27] pro-life pregnancy centers and they’re seeing just a growth in the movement which is very exciting so what do you

[00:21:33] say for our listeners out there who are listening who are having the discussions obviously rape is the most sensitive

[00:21:39] topic and people frequently bring this up they’ll say hey who are you to say a

[00:21:46] woman should have to go through nine months of being pregnant if she was raped and essentially she’s reliving

[00:21:52] this trauma over and over and over again how do you respond to somebody like that

[00:21:57] I’m gonna we’re up on another break here but when we come back my guest is Rebecca Kiessling and her website is

[00:22:04] Rebecca Kiessling com please go and take a look at what she’s doing there she has testimony on DVD that you can

[00:22:11] take a look at as well as many other stories of testimonies of women who have been conceived through rape and all

[00:22:19] kinds of information here to help you be able to communicate that rape is does

[00:22:24] not justify abortion so when we get back she’s gonna respond to that question and how she talks to people about this issue

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[00:25:22] two four seven three I’m in the KPRC studios here in Southern California with and this will actually we’re actually

[00:25:30] pre recording this show even though we’re streaming it live and it’s going to air on Saturday 2 to 3 p.m. so I’d

[00:25:36] love to have you check it out or pass it on to a friend and I’d love to have your feedback and your questions so Rebecca

[00:25:41] how do you respond to somebody who says you know a woman should not have to carry a child through nine months of

[00:25:47] pregnancy if she was raped what what do you say to that well first of all I did

[00:25:55] not deserve the death penalty for the crime of my biological father I believe

[00:26:01] you should punish rapist not babies from a biblical perspective we are told that

[00:26:08] you do not punish a child for the sins of the father and that each is to be

[00:26:14] punished for his own sin it’s a barbaric society where you punish innocent

[00:26:19] children I was not raping my mother yeah I plead

[00:26:25] in a since but there’s some people who speak in those terms is this it was on going

[00:26:30] as if I was raping her as if I was continuing the length if anything it is

[00:26:36] the abortion that perpetuates rape because the abortion is more violence within her body where she was already

[00:26:45] having suffered violence and we know that rape victims are four times more

[00:26:52] likely to die within the next year after the abortion now for they have a higher

[00:26:57] murder rate because rapists love abortion sex traffickers child molesters

[00:27:06] love abortion they can’t continue doing what they do without abortion abortion

[00:27:11] protects and enables rapists by destroying the evidence and allowing

[00:27:17] them to continue oftentimes a young girl of her own mother is exploiting to her

[00:27:22] when leaving her unprotected and so if you really care I mean I appreciate your

[00:27:28] kind about rape victims my dear mothers are rape victim my best friends in life

[00:27:33] I have a global organization of over almost six hundred conceived and right mothers remain mostly mothers who became

[00:27:40] pregnant there who are either raising merchants or birth mothers or they regret a warning and so I very much

[00:27:46] appreciate people’s concern for rape victims but if you really care about them you should want to protect them

[00:27:53] from the rapist and from the abortion and that the baby the baby is not the

[00:28:00] scary enemy yeah and people oftentimes I’ll hear this people say hey well we need to help this woman by allowing her

[00:28:07] to have an abortion I mean some of the articles that I was reading that you sent me specifically you have clergy

[00:28:12] actually saying hey look at it’s okay God is okay with this you need to be able to do this abortion and it just

[00:28:20] seems crazy to me that a lot of people think this is the most common one is they’ll say that God will forgive you

[00:28:26] well do they say the same thing if they’re asked about adultery if they’re asking about pornography if they’re

[00:28:33] asking about rape is they’re going to advise everybody if they’re gonna ask about murders although God will forgive

[00:28:39] you you’re just gonna give her a green light for an animation because of the fact

[00:28:44] that God forgives ya it makes no sense at all it’s a you know like Paul says

[00:28:50] this is not a license to sin yeah praise God that we have the grace that we do but it’s not something we want to take

[00:28:55] advantage of and I I think the real thing is that people think they’re helping them but in fact they’re hurting

[00:29:00] them yeah I heard you say that a person in the next year is four times more likely to die after an abortion and I

[00:29:07] know that suicide ideation goes I up in suicide attempts go up the stats I was

[00:29:13] reading said that 60% of women report suicidal thoughts and 28% attempt

[00:29:18] suicide after having an abortion is that are you are those the stats that you’re familiar with also yeah but it’s even

[00:29:26] higher for basic cells because rape victims are already at higher risk of

[00:29:31] suicide and when you add more violence and you add on top of it

[00:29:37] the death of her child it makes it so much worse what most of these rape

[00:29:44] victims say when the right other stories is they talk about how and this is

[00:29:51] there’s a book called gang called I never called it rape and it talks about how after they raised a lot of women

[00:29:56] don’t engage in self Kin Kin so they just feel they feel what they feel

[00:30:02] worthless right right right and either they’re just not incur themselves or not

[00:30:08] going anywhere or they sort of go off the deep end and some even become promiscuous because they just want on

[00:30:15] themselves they want to think well you know I shouldn’t have something suppresses from there I wasn’t feeling

[00:30:21] linked to get away so you have like half that go that route you have the other half to go the opposite and but you see

[00:30:27] a lot where they’re not engaging it’s health care one way or the other they’re trying to medicate the pain or they just

[00:30:33] you know and they’re not eating right and what ends up happening is the

[00:30:40] manatee home pregnant they express how the child finally gave them a reason to

[00:30:47] begin caring for themselves again because it was they realize that it was no longer just found that now there were

[00:30:53] someone else there to take care of and the child gave them the incentive to begin engaging in

[00:30:58] self-care because it wasn’t just self-care and how over and over again we

[00:31:04] hear them say that the child was the light in the darkness and the child was

[00:31:09] their ceiling how many felt all alone they realize that they were no longer alone – they have this baby who was with

[00:31:16] them they felt like they were in it together just again over and over again this child brought me healing just like

[00:31:22] it says in Scripture first of all it man that for evil God can use for good and

[00:31:27] that God trains beauty for Ashes amen amen if you’re out there and you’re

[00:31:33] considering you know maybe maybe you have an unplanned pregnancy I know I hear about this as a teacher students

[00:31:41] this are going through this sort of a thing and you feel all alone please be aware there are a lot of pregnancy care

[00:31:47] clinics and they’re going to help you they’re going to encourage you they’re going to support you they’ll do things

[00:31:52] financially for you Rebecca I think one of the big things that I hear a lot is that people will say look it if you

[00:31:58] force these these young girls to go ahead and have the child that they’re

[00:32:04] going to end up being in poverty for the rest of their lives and so so that they’re thinking uh we’ve got a these

[00:32:10] girls aren’t gonna be able to go to college they’re not gonna be able to get a job the father’s gonna leave and here they are going to be a single mother

[00:32:17] trying to survive how do you respond to that complaint well I mean a lot of

[00:32:24] these women say that this child was a huge motivator to be able to you know

[00:32:30] finish college or like Shawna Pruitt she you know took a child off to college you

[00:32:36] took her child off to law school and then and now she’s the partner in a huge

[00:32:44] law firm in Chicago doing extremely well for herself you know one of my best

[00:32:50] friends in high school became pregnant and she her child motivated her to take

[00:32:56] care of herself I mean it’s you can do it one of our speakers was the Andrea

[00:33:02] Murray she was in Texas now she’s from Michigan but her mother was 13

[00:33:07] and they were living in poverty in Detroit they were already on welfare and her mom was pregnant as well and her

[00:33:13] mother said it’s my baby or your baby and you’re going to have an abortion workers want abortion clinics she heard

[00:33:20] her heartbeat and ran off the table ran out of the clinic and her mother said where you going I told you you don’t

[00:33:27] come home and they were homeless in and out of homeless shelters the first few years of her life and now only Andrea

[00:33:35] was the first in her family to graduate from University you know her mother and

[00:33:41] suchlike successful doing fantastic so

[00:33:46] it’s not a foregone conclusion that you’re gonna know yeah and it’s awfully elitist to say such a thing I mean you

[00:33:55] know to say that this is a life not worth living and the poorest of poor in

[00:34:00] the United States don’t even compare to come close to the rest of the world and but that’s why you have people like

[00:34:08] George Soros hang to try to bring abortion globally to try to sell it to

[00:34:15] people who are happier then we are in the u.s. they’re far more and they’re happier and their families are stronger

[00:34:22] than they are here but you know you’ve got these elitist who think I know those

[00:34:28] aren’t those are not lives worth living yeah we have to force this abortion agenda on these you know so-called third

[00:34:35] world nations when you know they’re in many respects Warley superior job hmm

[00:34:41] and it’s so true you know the Bible says Christ said seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these

[00:34:46] things will be added unto you as well and so ultimately what we want to do is we want to put God first and trust his

[00:34:53] righteousness with you know value that life and let him supply us with our

[00:34:58] needs rather than trying to fix our situation by doing things that are immoral right yeah and the solution is

[00:35:05] to give real help anyway you know that’s the solution we don’t say you know just good luck to you if you know Pregnancy

[00:35:13] Resource Center’s are so important my birth mother said that there were no Pregnancy Resource Centers back then but

[00:35:19] if there had been she would have gone and it wasn’t until you know I was

[00:35:24] speaking at the end hear me speaks to change her mind about abortion six years after we met now she’s really thankful

[00:35:30] to have me but she was blown away by the work that the pregnancy centers do and

[00:35:37] she said gosh if I would have had that kind of help I totally would have gone that round doesn’t nobody offered me any

[00:35:42] other helper hope so it’s so important that we do have that we need to give people real help you see someone to me

[00:35:49] we should be helping them amen amen my guest today is Rebecca Kiessling and if you’re listening in online feel free to call in and ask

[00:35:56] questions stay with us we have two more segments left we’re going to talk a little bit more about the issue of the pro-life argument and maybe give you

[00:36:03] some help in talking to your friends or neighbors about hey you know what the better option is to keep the child not

[00:36:10] abortion and what what can we do to stop the spread of abortion in our country stay with us we’re going to be right

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[00:38:30] host Kevin Conover and if you’re joining us online feel free to type something into the comments ask some questions my

[00:38:36] guest today is Rebecca Kiessling and she’s an expert on the pro-life issue she is also has an amazing testimony of

[00:38:42] growing up in a family that was secular Jewish and ended up becoming a Christian

[00:38:47] at age of 15 years old and also she was conceived through rape and and today

[00:38:52] she’s an attorney and she’s a speaker on the pro-life movement you can visit our website Rebecca Kiessling calm to get

[00:38:58] all kinds of information resources and help and just get going in the right direction if you know somebody who’s

[00:39:03] struggling with making the decision to abort or not absolutely encourage them

[00:39:09] to go visit a pregnancy care clinic they’re all oversea at Southern California they’re all over the world clinics now that have all kinds of

[00:39:17] resources and like Rebecca was saying you know this isn’t something that necessarily existed in the past but today there are a lot of resources where

[00:39:25] people will go out of their way to help you with things like baby clothes with things like food and formula and all the

[00:39:33] different things that you’re going to need to survive if you want to keep your child and and choose life and so Rebecca

[00:39:41] I wanted to ask you what what kind of advice or counsel would you give to our our listeners who are thinking how can I

[00:39:48] be more involved in this and what can I do to make a difference where I’m at and how do I go about you know communicating

[00:39:55] with my neighbors and my friends and my family in a way that’s effective how did you get how do you get people to change

[00:40:01] their mind hmm well my organization is save the one

[00:40:08] and that’s the number one not the word one and it comes from the parable of the lost sheep wherein Jesus said see that

[00:40:13] you do not decide I mean these little ones try telling their angels and haven’t always looked upon the face my

[00:40:18] father in heaven and then he goes right into the parable of the lost sheep how the Good Shepherd leaves a 99 to save

[00:40:24] the one and he finishes he finishes the parable by explaining it it’s point he

[00:40:29] says for in the same way your father in heaven is not willing that any of these

[00:40:36] little ones should perish so in context he was talking about little ones who are at RIT who are

[00:40:42] despised who are outlift apero saying in today’s society that’s my people group

[00:40:47] that’s D all of the so-called difficult cases in the abortion debate children

[00:40:53] conceived in rape children with special needs you know disabled children in the womb and this is the heart of God so

[00:41:00] educate yourself we have a blog with over 150 stories there they usually get

[00:41:07] published in Life News life that needs live action lots of fantastic stories very uplifting life-affirming stories go

[00:41:15] to our Facebook page we have a lot of wonderful resources there I can tell you

[00:41:20] that look I was able to change God used me to change the heart of Governor Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich during their

[00:41:26] presidential campaigns hey wow I was in the Gift of Life film with Governor Mike

[00:41:34] Huckabee so this is united film I had backstage passes to the premiere so I

[00:41:40] got to speak to the four canit’s who were all speaking at the premiere

[00:41:46] Bachman Santorum parent Gingrich and I had you know one-on-one conversations

[00:41:52] with them and during my conversation with Governor Rick Perry he told me that

[00:41:57] I changed his heart and he pledged no more exceptions he went our national television

[00:42:04] afterward she signed a personhood pledge next morning no exceptions no compromise and so did Newt Gingrich and he went on

[00:42:12] national television talking about our conversation how my story pierced his heart saying he could not look me in the

[00:42:19] eyes and justify the rape exception any longer oh praise God yeah and I’ll tell

[00:42:26] you that if you can change the heart of a governor during a presidential

[00:42:31] campaign your listeners can change the heart of anyone do not be afraid to

[00:42:38] speak up um use testimonies you know mine others we have a global network of

[00:42:46] stories if you’re talking to a local legislator um you know we have stories

[00:42:51] from your you can you know search our blog and you’ll find all these and/or connect

[00:42:57] with me and I can connect you with other people and and you can get them speaking you know in your region or locally we

[00:43:03] have people all over the country with these stories that is grand it’s really stories that pierced the heart yes it’s

[00:43:10] just like in in scriptures the power of our testimonies right absolutely I think the stories really are like you said he

[00:43:17] couldn’t look you in the eye and justify it anymore and that’s the reality is you know when you hear somebody’s story and

[00:43:25] it’s personal it’s not a number out there or some vague idea when you see

[00:43:30] that person in front of you that changes everything yeah and now you’re available to speak

[00:43:35] to at churches and so forth right and you know I was in um I was in San Diego

[00:43:43] recently and I was there a year ago as well both times speaking for pretty few

[00:43:48] center fundraisers no now are you an attorney also for on these issues or as

[00:43:54] your attorney work uh separate I closed my law practice years ago to do the

[00:44:00] activism I do but I maintain my bar dues and I’ve had numerous high-profile cases

[00:44:05] defending human life I represent the mother of Michigan’s frozen Amarillo case I represent a woman

[00:44:11] sued for not aborting for breach of contract I tuned the cases involve rape

[00:44:16] and abortion I just recently had a high-profile case national international

[00:44:22] news representing a rape victim mother where a judge gave her rapist parental

[00:44:28] rights and I got the judge to reverse his order based upon a law that I helped get passed in Michigan the rape survivor

[00:44:35] child custody act you guys need that law in California in California my

[00:44:40] understanding is that you require a rape conviction to terminate the prevalence of rapist the federal law that Obama

[00:44:47] actually signed gives an incentive to states if you use the clear and convincing evidence standard to

[00:44:54] terminate parental rights it’s the highest standard in a civil case this is a civil matter you shouldn’t require a criminal standard in

[00:45:01] these cases just like any other case you shouldn’t have to have a rape conviction to terminate for

[00:45:08] for child abuse for child molestation you shouldn’t have to have a conviction and it’sit’s the same thing so I’m

[00:45:15] hoping that you know we can get this change in California I’ve worked all over the nation to get this change

[00:45:21] that’s been passing unanimously in many many states yeah seems like a just common sense that that would be the case

[00:45:28] yeah yeah but for many people common sense is that these mothers don’t exist

[00:45:35] for there everybody knows it was a true rate that some would have had an abortion and so you end up with these

[00:45:42] women being left unprotected Wow so we need to get the law changed yeah the

[00:45:48] prejudice is so insidious it really ends and and so you Planned Parenthood

[00:45:54] obviously is heavily involved here in trying to shut down all the undercover work that’s been done too and and and

[00:46:00] trying to fight against this and they’re throwing all kinds of money against this and so so are you ever involved in

[00:46:07] petitioning against Planned Parenthood or these would you suggest that kind of activism to our listeners they were

[00:46:15] going to open the largest Planned Parenthood clinic in Michigan was going to open right now next to where my law

[00:46:21] office used to be in the next town over from where I live we got involved right away and the cool thing is that a guy

[00:46:29] who is a realtor decided to go down to the courthouse and being a realtor see

[00:46:36] he had this in mind and he checked the records and found that there was a

[00:46:44] restricted deed covenant and the adjacent properties because they share a

[00:46:50] drive and I mean it was pretty cool this you know realtor was able to make such a

[00:46:56] huge difference using the gifts experience expertise that he had and

[00:47:01] that’s great is it yeah yeah and eventually on this case you know it was

[00:47:07] perfect as the other owners of their hotel didn’t want the clinic opening and

[00:47:12] the question whether a an abortion clinic is considered an office

[00:47:19] you know and instead they’re zoning law to talk about surgical facilities different than an office so it went up

[00:47:27] on appeal and we had a really good pro-life panel and finally Planned Parenthood settled and agreed that to a

[00:47:33] new restricted D covenant that the property to never operate as an abortion clinic and it took them like five years

[00:47:41] to unload that property because they paid too much at the time so we held

[00:47:46] that their money I mean you know that was a huge victory but you never know how God could use your talent so you

[00:47:53] know connect share with people what your skills are what your expertise is and and you know figure out how God can use

[00:48:01] you absolutely so if you’re listening out there my guest today is Rebecca Kiessling and Rebecca Kiessling comm get involved

[00:48:07] you know here in Southern California in San Diego we have college area pregnancy services and on numerous other

[00:48:14] ministries that are involved in rescuing children and supporting mothers helping those mothers so what’s interesting is

[00:48:23] that like like Rebecca’s saying there’s so many different ways that you can get involved and make a difference whether you’re a real estate agent whether

[00:48:29] you’re a nurse a good friend of mine is a nurse and she volunteers at a pregnancy care clinic and there’s just

[00:48:35] so many different ways that you can make a difference we have one real quick if

[00:48:40] you speak multiple languages you could be an interpreter at a pregnancy center yes and that’s a huge we have a huge

[00:48:46] Latino population here in San Diego and so great that’s another great point where we have one more segment left is

[00:48:52] gonna be a very short segment but stay with us I’m gonna give you a quick apologetic argument for why abortion is

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[00:51:49] [Applause] welcome to educate for life I’m your host Kevin Conover my web sites educate

[00:51:55] for life o RG somebody tried to call in my producer here Tod if you want to bring her in that’d be great

[00:52:01] yeah hello hi I’m calling from El Cajon and just wanted to say how much I appreciate your show and hearing Rebecca

[00:52:09] I’m a victim of rape I was raped when I was 14 ended up having the child when I

[00:52:15] was 15 and ended up keeping him but I had no support and they’re getting that law in California is so important

[00:52:22] because if I were to file rape charges against this person back in 1980 I would

[00:52:29] have been taken for custody from his parents or possibly from him

[00:52:35] and I would not submit my fourth child to that and now my 36 year old child to

[00:52:40] that so how important that law is to get for other rape victims absolutely

[00:52:46] tormented I have to wonder if the custody is going to be taken from them because this person raped

[00:52:52] yeah yeah now first of all let me say I’m so sorry that that happened here you

[00:52:59] deserve to have been protected you know wasn’t your fault and you’re a beautiful

[00:53:06] person and I’m so glad that you chose life and you got to have you know you

[00:53:12] and your son they grow up and I in peace away from that rapist but there again that question and if rape if your rape

[00:53:22] to have an abortion I was tormented by my priest at the time in a local

[00:53:28] Catholic Church saying oh yeah you were raped because your parents don’t get custody of the child you’re too young

[00:53:33] you can’t handle it and you have abortion if you don’t give them custody

[00:53:39] and I said not a nice word but no I’m not going to do that and I raised him

[00:53:45] and I’m proud I raised him well I applaud you for for doing that that’s a

[00:53:51] you know with a huge adversity and everything and and I am absolutely confident God has you know blessed you

[00:53:59] and honored you for that so thank you so much for your testimony in that that’s fantastic I really appreciate you

[00:54:04] sharing this on the air thank you go now I want to make sure that we get to connect because um you

[00:54:11] know on Facebook we have a private Facebook group you can’t search it you

[00:54:17] know I would have to add you but a hundred and ten women who became pregnant by rape who all raised their

[00:54:23] children we have a private birth mothers group we have we have a group for California all people who represent the

[00:54:31] difficult cases all from California I would love to be able to connect with you so I hope you know that you Lee

[00:54:38] email me find me here um either stir savory 1.com or Rebecca Kiessling and

[00:54:44] until my facebook page email me whatever I really really would love to be able to connect and talk to you by phone and you

[00:54:51] know maybe someday you’d want to write your story out but I would love for you to meet the other mothers and for you

[00:54:57] and your son to know that you’re not alone we have a private Facebook group for all the men contingent raped about

[00:55:02] we have about three dozen men in that group thank you for sharing that so much

[00:55:08] yes if I could share my information offline that would be appropriate absolutely absolutely thank you so much

[00:55:16] for calling in yeah god bless you you know I wanted to ask you B we don’t we have just a few minutes left

[00:55:22] Rebecca I wanted to ask you you know I know that there’s a lot of women out there who actually have gone through with abortions and are looking for hope

[00:55:29] and maybe even ha haven’t even told anybody now what would you what would you say to those women who are dying of

[00:55:36] shame and what they did and suffering with the trauma how would you encourage them I’ve had women come up to me and

[00:55:45] confess their abortions to me whether for me or not from it and then through

[00:55:52] tears asked me do you forgive me like wow okay for school yeah well I don’t

[00:55:58] feel like it’s my place like I don’t condemn you it’s not my place to do that and but but to the extent you need to

[00:56:05] sure that yeah yes I do forgive you and then of course I have to share you know

[00:56:11] the forgiveness that I received in Christ you know even when I knew that her and I had you know hurt on her

[00:56:18] myself and had difficulty forgiving myself I was beating myself up as a Christmas I

[00:56:24] like on you better and someone said to me that you know you out did you ask God

[00:56:30] forgive you do believe in God do you believe you send a son to die on the cross yes you have you asking her to

[00:56:36] forgive you yeah and you believe if you forgive you are playing young yeah and the next thing that look when you fail

[00:56:43] to forgive yourself what you’re doing is you’re saying that what you have to say about it is more important what God to

[00:56:50] have to say and that what he did by sending it from the Diana cross wasn’t good enough for you and that but it was

[00:56:56] in vain and that’s warmth that’s the horse and whatever it is that you did in the first

[00:57:02] place and I realized I had to ask for God to forgive me for that and I learned

[00:57:07] what it meant was really to be able to say God’s grace is sufficient but it’s

[00:57:12] not just a little past thing that you say as a Christian but that that’s that’s when it really hits home when you

[00:57:19] can truly say God’s grace is sufficient but I realized that the reason why

[00:57:26] they’re asking me is because what they really want to know is well maybe for

[00:57:33] just me and they they see me as being a surrogate you know someone who you know

[00:57:40] it was target of proportion your Leah border that a couple back-alley abortions and you know nearly escaped us

[00:57:48] they think that if I can forgive them and maybe do their baby will forgive

[00:57:53] them and so you know like what I have to find out is that look we’re told in

[00:57:58] Scripture that um you know my mother and father forsake me the moral is to use me I really believe you misuse these

[00:58:05] children in heaven and that you know who and what there’s no more tears and now

[00:58:10] them and that will recognize each other and you know that that’s what I have to

[00:58:16] offer them because I know that that’s good so many of them really want to know absolutely if you’re out there and you

[00:58:22] you have been either a victim of abortion if you’ve if you’ve had abortion if you’ve if that’s something

[00:58:29] that you are a part of a man or a woman please know that God loves you and you know that this fight

[00:58:36] is not so much a fight against a political issue it’s it’s a fight for

[00:58:41] people to let them know that God loves them and that he has a plan for them and that it’s better than trying to find a

[00:58:49] quick fix or something that you think is going to get you out of a problem when altum Utley God loves that child he

[00:58:56] loves you and he wants the best for you Jesus Christ said in John 10:10 I have come that they might have life and have

[00:59:01] it to the full and so that’s what he wants to do for you he wants to give you life and a lot of people are out there in fear they’re thinking I’m I’m not

[00:59:07] gonna be able to handle this situation what are people gonna think of me people are gonna reject me and they’re wallowing in shame and guilt please know

[00:59:14] that there’s so many people out there that are ready to embrace you and to love you excuse me I’m having a bit of a

[00:59:22] coffee err but we’re out of time Rebecca thanks for being on the program with us today I really really appreciate

[00:59:27] what you’re doing in your ministry thank you thanks so much for having me and I’m so excited there’s one more woman that

[00:59:34] doesn’t have some walk through this alone you know amen amen hallelujah okay well Rebecca Kiessling comm is our

[00:59:41] website we’ll be on the air again next week so I hope you’ll join us we’re gonna have a some more amazing guests

[00:59:47] and please be praying that God would continue to stir the hearts of our leadership and our political people who

[00:59:54] are in a political leadership and and our president and others to continue to rescue people from death and turn them

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