Should Teachers Be Forced to Pay Union Dues? – David Schmus

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[00:00:51] into our show today my guest today is David schmooze he’s the executive director of Christian education

[00:00:57] educators Association International if you want more information about that that’s CEA Iorg CEA org and he is

[00:01:07] somebody who is upset about the fact that teachers that teach at a public school are forced into a place where

[00:01:14] they have to pay dues into a union often that is contrary to their their beliefs

[00:01:21] and their values and so I’m super excited David to have you on the program today because this has been a real

[00:01:27] passion of mine also is why are we being forced to support values that are things

[00:01:32] that go directly against our values so for our listeners why don’t you take us back to how you started becoming aware

[00:01:39] of this situation as a public school teacher and so forth sure it’s great to be here Kevin thanks for having me yeah yeah I started public school teaching in

[00:01:46] 2000 and within a few years realized wow I’m paying $1,000 a month in union dues

[00:01:52] here in California and they’re doing all kinds of crazy things with my union dues you know that was sort of the forefront

[00:01:58] of a lot of the LGBTQ stuff and I was thinking to myself how can i as a Christian allow my union dues to support

[00:02:04] this kind of political advocacy and so I came I’m David and is that the California Teachers Association yeah so

[00:02:11] I became what’s called an agency fee payer which I quit the Union but according to law and which is still the law of the books

[00:02:17] as of right now yeah you even if you quit the Union you still have to pay what’s called an agency fee so even

[00:02:24] though I got some money back I still had to pay $600 a year to the Union for

[00:02:29] really for nothing I wasn’t a member they wouldn’t support me if I got in trouble they did negotiate a contract but that was by law

[00:02:36] anyway I couldn’t I couldn’t even get out of that if I wanted to and so yeah I was continuing to support this Union

[00:02:41] even though I did get some money back for all those years of teaching eventually got involved a Christian

[00:02:46] educators association and we are an organization that helps represent Christian teachers in public schools and

[00:02:53] so many people who quit the Union will join Christian educators association because we offer some of the same

[00:02:58] benefits that Union does things like liability insurance and job extra protection things I need yeah so I I got

[00:03:04] out of the Union joined CAI and I got more involved in this in this struggle

[00:03:10] to really free teachers from forced unionism a couple years ago three years ago matter of fact we had a Supreme

[00:03:16] Court case called Friedreich’s BC ta we took it all the way to the Supreme Court that would have done what we’re gonna I

[00:03:23] hope we’re going to talk today about the Janice yes absolutely and would have done what the Janice case we think will do three years ago and we got all the

[00:03:30] way Supreme Court oral arguments everyone who observed the case that we got five judges on our side that we’re

[00:03:36] going to strike down this law saying that teachers have to give money to five judges all US Supreme Court oh absolutely yeah we were there for all

[00:03:43] arguments eight of the ten teachers that that were where Co plaintiffs in that case were members of ours and and we

[00:03:51] clearly won the case in oral arguments but Justice Scalia passed away before the ruling could be my good and so that

[00:03:57] resulted in a 4-4 deadlocked Court so the existing precedent stood and we were back to where we started so the current

[00:04:05] now the case that’s coming up now is called the Jana’s case a spacely the same exact case not from a teacher this

[00:04:10] time from a health care worker in Illinois but same principals same the issue as can public employees union

[00:04:16] members be forced or non-members in this case ya be forced to to pay union dues or agency fees what they call them yeah

[00:04:23] and so we are expecting barring any kind of tried yeah like what happened last time we are

[00:04:28] expecting to win this case now we may not but but we put the ruling in June a favorable ruling in June that’s gonna

[00:04:35] free teachers all over the entry and that’s huge it’s a huge I mean that’s a earth earth shattering really

[00:04:41] and what about have you add any pushback from the teachers unions about this well you know what the teachers unions are

[00:04:47] trying to do is they’re trying to get a lot of their members to sign these commitment cards and what these coop

[00:04:52] cards say if you read the fine print is even if you quit the Union in some cases you still have to give us payroll

[00:04:58] deductions on an ongoing basis oh you want out oh there’s this one week you

[00:05:03] know at the end of September or end of August or something like that there’s just one week where you can get out and if you don’t get out that one week or

[00:05:10] some cases it’s a month but various unions but you know if you don’t get out that one’s narrow window then sorry

[00:05:16] you’re in front of a year and you can’t do anything about it and that’s Auto renewed oh yeah I saw their turn to do things like wow you scams on the

[00:05:21] internet where they knew that right they just keep doing you if you don’t get yeah so so that’s really interesting and

[00:05:27] I’ve heard in the past that a lot of team teachers unions in a sense acted

[00:05:32] almost mafia-like in the sense that hey look at if you don’t if you’re not a part of the Union you’re out and I would

[00:05:37] really place a lot of pressure on new teachers to join the Union or basically

[00:05:42] you don’t get to teach I mean is that still an issue in you know the public schools today where well what we often

[00:05:48] find in regards to that is that when you become a new teacher you’re often told which isn’t even true or to the current

[00:05:53] law and certainly won’t be 200 giannis goes the way we think it will what often teachers are told is that they have to

[00:05:59] join the union when they get their job it’s actually not true they have a constitutional right not to be part of

[00:06:04] the Union and there’s couple ways they can do that but the but in most cases they still to pay the agency fees yeah but would that work against them so

[00:06:10] meaning like if if you have someone who comes in and the administration or the teachers the other teachers or or the

[00:06:17] teachers union itself is looking at this person and saying are they gonna join the union is there the possibility that

[00:06:23] they wouldn’t be hired I mean would people be afraid to say I’m not gonna be a part of the Union that really depends I don’t know any specific stories along

[00:06:29] those lines yeah but it would you know management is not Union right so typically your your school administrator

[00:06:36] who makes those hiring decisions that’s right is not part of the Union yeah so now but it’s possible that came from a very highly

[00:06:41] partisan Union background and they’re big fans of the Union yeah so it may be but I haven’t heard of a lot of that

[00:06:47] going on but it’s it’s very typical for unions to sort of have their way in with the with the administration of the

[00:06:53] hiring process that they’re that so these you know staff that works for the district are told yes they must join the

[00:06:59] Union you know that’s the law and it’s really not the law but but that happens a lot of times yeah that’s fine that’s

[00:07:04] that’s a sad reality mm-hmm so I want to talk more about these details you know

[00:07:09] where we’re going to be coming up on a break here in a little bit here but one of the questions I want to ask you is how do you foresee things changing if

[00:07:16] this case does pass what does that mean for education in general how are things

[00:07:23] going to change and you know for our listeners how should they what should

[00:07:29] they be praying about in regards to this and what’s gonna happen so my guest today is David schmooze he’s with

[00:07:34] Christian I’m sorry there’s no Decatur Christian educators Association International that’s cea i.org and if

[00:07:42] you want to find more about that or if you’re interested in joining this is a union itself right we’re not a union but

[00:07:47] we are an association your professional association yeah and if you want the benefits of that association and people

[00:07:52] that have values that are similar to yours I encourage you to take a look at the Christian Education Association and

[00:07:57] get involved with what they’re doing because I think they’re going to be making a huge difference here especially with this case coming up I’m Kevin

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[00:08:22] the state education code he will tell teachers and administrators where the

[00:08:27] legal lines are that they can’t cross as far as being a Christian is concerned you know a lot of teachers are afraid

[00:08:33] because they don’t know where that line is and so they they just stand back and they end up silencing themself it’s

[00:08:40] almost self-censorship when in fact they have a lot of freedoms to share the gospel in their faith they’re in the public schools but they’re just not

[00:08:46] aware so May 15th we’re going to be doing that I hope you’ll join us it’s a free event you can register at EFL Danny

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[00:12:18] International and he is a Publix are you still a public school teacher okay full

[00:12:24] time but you were a history teacher AP teacher today PS is true for 15 years that’s that’s fantastic so you know all

[00:12:31] about the history of oh yeah the US and everything else in absolute and our our Christian heritage and the from and the

[00:12:37] fact that schools you know what blew my mind when I first learned this that that public schools were first started to teach people to learn to read the Bible

[00:12:43] absolutely that is it’s so phenomena and it’s crazy now how the they started to teach the read the Bible but now the

[00:12:50] Bible is essentially you know it’s kind of a taboo thing he’s like hey we don’t want the Bible here isn’t it is it’s

[00:12:56] very sad yeah to see where education system has gone over the years and you know one thing though I think we we we

[00:13:02] shouldn’t give up in the public schools for this reason eighty-five to ninety percent of our kids are in those public schools yep right and I think the public

[00:13:08] schools is really the most strategic mission field in our culture because a lot of those kids aren’t gonna go to a church aren’t gonna find her way you

[00:13:14] know to a ministry event yeah and so who’s gonna go reach those kids yeah you know and that’s one thing we do at CAI

[00:13:20] as we say okay how can we do within the law you know how can we understand the law yeah but how can we go in there a partner

[00:13:26] with our church groups and churches and youth pastors to reach these kids because they’re broken they’re hurting and they

[00:13:31] need Jesus absolutely and so big part of our ministry is helping people do just that I love I love that I love how you call

[00:13:37] it a mission field because really that’s what it is in our own backyard it’s almost as if you’re traveling to a

[00:13:42] foreign country where God has essentially been kind of uh you know taboo it’s weird that in America we have

[00:13:49] this subculture in the public schools where essentially you don’t have freedom of religion mm-hmm and so share with us

[00:13:55] a little bit more about how you do that how do you make a difference in in reaching those kids in the public

[00:14:01] schools yeah well you as a public school teacher don’t forfeit your First Amendment rights when you walk into the

[00:14:06] school obviously you’re an agent of the state you know so some of that is limited yeah but you don’t have to lie

[00:14:11] to be a public schoolteacher so if a student asks hey would you do this we can oh I went to church oh well you know

[00:14:18] Church oh do you believe that oh yeah I believe that if you’re doing a lesson about what the true meaning of Easter or Christmas which is totally appropriate

[00:14:24] for kids to understand where the holidays come from oh do you believe mr. smooth do you believe this stuff oh yeah I believe

[00:14:29] this stuff yeah and so you’re perfectly free to do that you’re also free to you know we had a teacher come to one of our

[00:14:35] events and she learned that if she goes and puts on the other hat so to speak of

[00:14:41] another organization let’s say it’s Church or let’s say child evangelism fellowship a parachurch ministry and

[00:14:46] becomes a volunteer with one of these groups she can request a room on her campus after school and she can lead a

[00:14:51] good-news Club a Bible study this kind that’s great so she came to one our event she went home she learned oh my gosh I can lead a good-news Club at my

[00:14:58] school within a couple weeks she had a hundred kids here in the gospel wow this is a teacher yeah yeah and so so even

[00:15:06] though she’s a teacher she still has that right to be able to do that yeah I mean she can’t do it during the school

[00:15:11] day yeah she can’t if she’s an official club sponsor that’s different yeah but if she’s leading a community group that has access to the sick campus just

[00:15:18] like any other access other club does like the Boy Scouts or what have you yeah then yes you can certainly do that so tell us about cea eyes influenced as

[00:15:28] far as in the States and how big is the ministry now and how long has existed well you know some people unfortunately say we’re the best kept secret in

[00:15:34] education yeah we’re relatively small we have about 7500 mm around the country but this this Janis

[00:15:41] case really has a potential to change all that and it’s not just about

[00:15:47] becoming a big organization it’s becoming up riding a place for teachers to really feel like they’re connected and they’re protected in there and there

[00:15:53] we have their back from a biblical worldview absolutely on their on their team and being able to promote those values absolutely yeah absolutely

[00:15:59] so yeah so we’re super excited you know about what’s going on so how is the Janis case gonna impact you I mean what

[00:16:05] do you foresee happening yeah well interesting you know the unions for years have been spending all

[00:16:10] kinds of money on things that we would really find objectionable for example in the 2014 election cycle $800,000 of

[00:16:18] teacher union dues found their way to Planned Parenthood Wow it takes a little circuitous route yeah but it does get

[00:16:24] there yeah that number increase in the 2016 election cycle it was over two million dollars oh my gosh found our way

[00:16:30] to Planned Parenthood and so what I’m excited about is if Janet if the jams case goes the way we think it will

[00:16:36] immediately there are a hundred and eighty-two thousand teachers in the country who are already agency fee

[00:16:42] payers they’ve already quit the Union but but because of the law their money you still getting pulled into the Union

[00:16:47] coffers if you will so that represents over a hundred million dollars oh right so overnight if the Janis case goes away

[00:16:54] we think it’ll go teacher students will have less a hundred million dollars less to to advocate for these you know

[00:17:00] progressive political things that they do at they’ll at the last NEA convention last summer the NEA voted to ban three

[00:17:07] Christian groups from exhibiting from their conventions you know an ex-gay group and to signed creation science

[00:17:14] groups they said sorry you you’re only here to see at the table anymore you can’t even come to our conventions and set up a table so so there’s a lot of

[00:17:21] people out there that are upset about what’s happening in it with it with it yeah and so then and that’s just the agency fee payers then what’s gonna

[00:17:27] happen is more people are going to say oh I can actually quit the Union and not have to pay a bunch of money for nothing

[00:17:33] and we we suspect about twenty percent more or or higher oh yeah go ahead then and go ahead and quit the Union yeah

[00:17:39] Eric Bureau when I had him on he told me that fifty percent of teachers and administrators claim to be Christian

[00:17:45] yeah or 50 percent have gone to go to church at least once a month research yeah yeah and and so that being

[00:17:51] the case I mean this could be basically taking like you said well you said a hundred million dollars mm-hmm hundred million and yeah

[00:17:59] go right back to basically causes that promote the heart of Christ yeah and a biblical perspective and that’s just

[00:18:04] right off the bat it’ll be much more than that over this course of next several years oh that is so exciting I

[00:18:10] can’t believe that I haven’t found out about this till until just now yeah because I consider myself relatively informed I didn’t know about the Janis

[00:18:16] case yeah which means how many other people don’t know that this is happening right right so so if people want to find

[00:18:23] out more about this or want to get involved with CEI yeah so one one more question that pertains to this so if

[00:18:29] somebody becomes just an agency fee payers that’s that’s called then are

[00:18:35] they allowed to join your association and get the same benefits except from a Christian perspective

[00:18:42] yeah in fact our IRA benefits our benefits are even better than what the Union provides for example in California our liability insurance is double with

[00:18:48] double the coverage they offer things like that and plus the the unions don’t don’t back them up you know from a

[00:18:54] biblical worldview if they get in trouble you know a Christian teacher the most common reason they would get in trouble yeah is that their faith right

[00:19:01] yeah and yet that’s the very thing the Union probably in some cases you know it depends on the local union of the local

[00:19:06] people and what their bent is sure often that’s not the thing that’s the very thing they’re not gonna help them absolutely had a teacher in Ohio for

[00:19:12] example who want to have a Bible on their desk and the courts of general rule that you know along with the photo of your spouse and your little

[00:19:18] devotional calendar you you know you have a Bible there yeah personal space yeah that’s fine well she said hey the the principal said

[00:19:26] I have to take my Bible off she went to the Union and the Union said yeah get that Bible of your desk right and didn’t help her at all so she called us we

[00:19:32] helped her file a grievance and she eventually got their Bible back on the desk so but we see that stuff happened where were ya unions you know they’re

[00:19:39] there some people love their union and if Christians are called as teachers to try to be change agents within their union

[00:19:45] and God’s called them to that you know go for it yeah we are not necessarily anti-union yeah but we just believe that

[00:19:51] that people shouldn’t be forced to be in a union and if they want their money go elsewhere and then they should be able

[00:19:57] to do that amen to that my guest today is David schmooze and he is with CEA I Christian educators association

[00:20:03] association international and what are you sharing honestly this is probably one of the most significant

[00:20:10] issues that I’ve heard in quite a while as far as its ability to change the

[00:20:16] state of our education system it’s the Janis case which you said is going to be decided in June ruling into ruling in

[00:20:23] June so we’re about to go on a break here this is Kevin Conover with educate for life thank you so much for listening

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[00:24:03] director of Christian education educators Association International see eai org and he holds an MA in biblical

[00:24:11] studies in theology from Biola University he’s taught biblical worldview and instruction to teaching

[00:24:17] classes at Biola as an adjunct professor but today he’s the executive director full-time of Christian educators

[00:24:23] association international that’s cool you went to Biola yeah I got my MA from well also awesome so yeah and you you

[00:24:29] taught worldview I did it so to be a biblical worldview uh somebody who’s knowledgeable about that and also be a

[00:24:36] history teacher in the public schools yeah you must have been an interesting teacher it was it was so fun it was so fun Kevin what was your favorite part

[00:24:42] about teaching in the public so we would we would do these journal topics okay and I would put up a journal topic and it wouldn’t typically be a Bible verse

[00:24:48] although sometimes I would do that yeah and maybe I would just not necessarily conclude the chapter and verse sure or say ancient proverbs yeah there you go

[00:24:55] but but it would just be an issue that was common in the culture and we discuss it and I would just through questioning

[00:25:01] you know a Socratic method basically say what do you think about this one thing but this you know is it why does the research seem to suggest that people who

[00:25:07] don’t live together before they’re married have you know have more successful marriages you know what why do you think they yes yeah what could explain that yeah and we’d ask those

[00:25:13] kinds of questions and so I would essentially teach the biblical worldview without calling it that or with other

[00:25:18] students really even necessary knowing yeah I mean that I mean some of them sure sure in but but you know are the same time oh I was respectful of my

[00:25:25] students yeah absolutely disagreement was was was fine and we had discussions about it yeah we don’t brow

[00:25:30] be we don’t manipulate we want to want to be you know do what the other side does but exactly yeah even as a

[00:25:36] Christian teacher I mean as a teacher that teaches at a Christian high school mhm I mean my job is not to coerce people into believing Bible all I’m

[00:25:43] doing is laying the information out there and saying hey you get to make the decision yeah you know do you does God make sense do you want to follow the

[00:25:49] Word of God yeah and and I think when he it’s like um in the Old Testament it’s either Isaiah or Jeremiah Kent

[00:25:55] where it says come let us reason together though your sins are as scarlet they will become white as snow and

[00:26:01] that’s what really God is wanting to do is hey let’s have a dialogue yeah I also I also coach um I also coach apologetics

[00:26:08] for a home school Speech and Debate club I’m involved with oh wow I’m something I tell them each week is you know the

[00:26:13] biggest apologetic is a transform life and so I would you know as a teacher I would live out my life before the

[00:26:18] students I would say well you know these things are happening and I’d share I’d share openly and honestly I mean age-appropriate ways of course yeah but

[00:26:24] yeah but about and they would see us live you know we went through some times where we had a son passed away we had my

[00:26:31] wife had cancer and we went and I let my students in during those times and they got to see God do some pretty pretty amazing stuff Wow and so I would say you

[00:26:38] know that’s a that’s a often missed but big part of what question teachers do yeah they live out a la finta Christian

[00:26:43] life before their students yeah and then those kids get to see hey this is the difference between you know somebody

[00:26:50] who’s living for Christ and somebody who’s not and there is that drastic difference like you said mm-hmm and I love what you said the biggest one of

[00:26:55] the biggest apologetic is a transformed life absolutely and I have a lot of people on the radio program who have

[00:27:01] testimonies that are just phenomenal now how Christ just radically changed them yeah and so amen to that that’s that’s

[00:27:08] fantastic now the Janis case coming up here and you said you feel positive that

[00:27:14] it’s it’s gonna go through yeah what’s giving you that confidence yeah well here’s that here’s the essential

[00:27:19] argument that makes total sense yeah in a public employees union the argument is

[00:27:25] really everything they do is political and you know the old argument was hey you should not even if you don’t want to

[00:27:31] pay the political part you should at least pay the collective bargaining part well wait a minute it’s in a public employees you didn’t even the collective

[00:27:37] bargaining is political because what are they bargaining for they’re bargaining for example teacher tenure laws how our

[00:27:43] teachers fired and hired hmm isn’t that a political question ya know the people in our schools and and who gets fired

[00:27:48] and why and when and um how much are teachers paid and the benefits and and all those kind of and what should we do

[00:27:54] with the pension system and those kinds of those are all political questions after all a hundred dollars oh yeah yeah so everything a union everything a

[00:28:00] Public Employees Union does not necessarily a private Employees Union but a Public Employees Union does is political mmm-hmm and so and that was

[00:28:06] the argument of the Friedreich’s case three years ago and that’s the same argument of the Janis case and that’s why we think that we’re pretty confident

[00:28:12] that we’ve got five judges you feel like Gorsuch is gonna be on your side we hope so now gore such was was

[00:28:17] strangely silent during oral arguments so in this case so we’re not sure what that means yeah but all eight other

[00:28:25] judges are on record on an almost exact same case is already having voted on it yeah so rehe really is the tiebreaker so

[00:28:32] please pray please prefab salutely so if you’re listening please pray for this Janus case that’s coming up it really is

[00:28:38] gonna be a decisive decisive decision it’s really going to make a difference

[00:28:43] in our culture about what happens next and the exciting thing is you know a lot of states in a country are already right-to-work that means a lot of the

[00:28:50] what we might call the red states have already passed right-to-work laws teachers in those states already have these rights but what right network as

[00:28:56] opposed to B B’s they don’t the join a union yeah phrase that that we’ve used for that yeah but the most of the blue states you

[00:29:03] know California and New York Illinois Ohio Minnesota Washington Oregon Pennsylvania you know these states where

[00:29:10] a lot of the population is centered these states don’t have these rights yet and so I’m excited for these teachers in

[00:29:15] those states yeah but they’re not gonna have the right to know and this is like you were saying this is more than just education this has the potential to

[00:29:21] break unions in general in the sense that you can’t mandate that an employee join the Union in order to be able to

[00:29:27] work right right and and you know and and the money that flows into politics you know listen listen to listen to this

[00:29:36] this quote I found from the the former director of the California California

[00:29:44] Federation of Teachers you said the truth is in the last 25 years no major progressive proposition has

[00:29:50] passed without labor being a primary donor okay so we’re saying basically all the progressive legislation you know the

[00:29:56] stuff we’re dealing with now about the LGBT all the stuff we’ve been fighting you know labor is a big part of that yeah and and there’s four million

[00:30:02] unionized teachers in this country they are by far the biggest contributor of among labor unions yeah two political

[00:30:09] causes in the country yeah I heard though that the California Teachers Association is the most powerful lobbying organization in Sacramento yeah

[00:30:17] by far yeah there was an article it’s a great article in the LA Times it’s a little old about six years ago but it went in-depth into how much the CTA is

[00:30:24] involved in everything you know they were talking about having meeting with the governor and and his key people were they would calling up the CTA director

[00:30:30] and kinda okay with this you and he was he was vetoing things by text into meetings with with the governor you know

[00:30:35] and and how well-connected the CTA is in the state and and really for you know

[00:30:41] and for many many unbiblical causes unfortunately there’s a bill there’s a bill coming down right now called a B

[00:30:46] 2153 that is not getting the attention that some of the other ones are getting because only applies it to schools yeah

[00:30:52] but it’s gonna require that every school public or charter within the first six

[00:30:57] weeks of our school year host an LGBTQ training for their teachers and what

[00:31:03] that’s and the training requires them to make their students aware of on campus and off-campus resources for their LGBTQ

[00:31:10] students which means basically the school is going to be plugged the gay club and they’re gonna be bringing off-campus organizations you

[00:31:18] know on Gabby to their teachers yeah and you know we need to be clear that none of us are in favor of anyone being

[00:31:23] bullied or or we all want students to be loved and cared for and valued mm-hmm but to set aside these you know special

[00:31:29] programs were certain group of kids you know that tend to say oh well this is sort of a chosen group and their lifestyle is approved and well but what

[00:31:36] about the you know religious kids who don’t agree yeah are they gonna get bullied are they are they you know who’s looking out for them

[00:31:42] and seems like these are questions that local districts should be empowered to make a little humming han’t you know top

[00:31:48] down from Sacramento parents should be involved in these decisions but it’s you know and lots of church is also host

[00:31:54] charter schools on our campuses oh yeah this is gonna plate it right here in San Diego right it’s it’s it and they’re popping up all over the place yeah my

[00:32:00] guest today is David schmooze he’s with the CEA I that is see Christian educators Association International and

[00:32:06] what we’re really praying for here is the Janis case decision is going to come down in June and that will decide

[00:32:12] whether Christian teachers or really any teachers have to be forced to pay into

[00:32:18] the Union if they don’t agree with the union’s values can they work without being forced to pay money into the

[00:32:24] unions and that will stop in that decisions going to be made in June and that is going to change everything if

[00:32:31] that passes so stay with us we got two segments left we’re going to continue this discussion and you can be informed

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[00:35:40] David schmooze executive director of Christian educators Association International CEI org and David you know

[00:35:47] not too long ago I actually interviewed somebody who write here in San Diego he

[00:35:53] was a teacher at one of the local high schools he would not call a girl a boy

[00:35:58] and he was told by the administration you must call this girl a boy and the

[00:36:04] the he asked the administration do the parents know that she wants to be called a boy he they said no the parents don’t

[00:36:10] know but you need to do it anyway and you know some people took gave him an advice because even Christian said

[00:36:16] look it just just avoid the issue you just you know use a personal pronoun that’s neutral or something you don’t

[00:36:23] have to lose your job over this and he said look it I where do you draw the line he said we keep giving ground and

[00:36:30] he said doesn’t get to the point where we’re just doing whatever they say and we’ve

[00:36:36] lost our Christianity and he said you know for some people it might be okay to to just you know avoid the personal

[00:36:44] pronoun but he said for me I’ve decided I’m not gonna do that and he actually got let go he got fired and like you’re

[00:36:49] saying there was nobody to defend him right right they just basically threw him under the bus and so yeah that is

[00:36:55] such a hard issue yeah you know something something question I kind of asked people sometimes is are we in

[00:37:01] Jerusalem are we in Babylon mm-hmm you know to think about what does it mean to be a Christian in the public schools you

[00:37:08] know clearly Daniel as a Christian in a secular government yeah right or wouldn’t call it a Christian necessarily

[00:37:15] but a believer yeah Daniel had to probably enforce some laws he didn’t

[00:37:20] like yeah you know and as public school teachers all of us have been in some of those cases and so I appreciate what you

[00:37:27] said that yeah some people hey that’s a line I can’t cross yeah and for them you know god bless them and and we’ll go to

[00:37:34] the mat for them and protect them as much as we possibly care for other people we’ve we’ve allowed to or we’ve enabled or we’ve equipped them yeah

[00:37:41] we’re got some kind of compromise we had a foreign language teacher up in the Sacramento area 30 year veteran who went

[00:37:47] all kinds of wars as a teacher and Allah said now he was being faced with this same issue and he was able to work out a

[00:37:53] compromise with because it because of his the foreign language he taught there was a certain pronoun that could kind of

[00:37:58] play both ways sure he was able to use that and the person’s name they wanted to be called was sort of unisex and so

[00:38:03] he felt he could work that out and and the sense kind of stay on his mission field yeah you know but yeah God calls

[00:38:08] people differently yeah and I don’t think there’s a there’s necessary hard and fast rule on that question yeah but it’s such a tough issue and Christians

[00:38:15] are becoming second-class citizens in many cases in our own yeah and the question is is should it really be that difficult of an issue I mean do we have

[00:38:22] to does a person have to be let go over that I just I just feel like there’s a lot of these things that are coming

[00:38:28] against you know the Christian worldview like right now in California they’re trying to pass a bill where a an adult

[00:38:36] who has has same-sex attractions but doesn’t want them they’re trying to say hey you you can’t even go to a therapist

[00:38:42] to get help even if you want to get yeah as a be 2943 yeah yeah what a mess yeah right gonna

[00:38:47] criminalize you know selling books or offering certain therapies or things like that and and what we’re concerned

[00:38:53] about is you know the the state of California has in the past tried to make it so that schools like Christian

[00:39:00] universities could credential teachers who held two traditional views on marriage for example mm-hmm those views

[00:39:06] were unsuccessful but we expect them to come back ya know so schools like viola or or what-have-you

[00:39:12] wouldn’t be able to credential teachers you know in those kinds of situations and we’re already getting now to these

[00:39:17] places where you’ve got to teach the sex ed requirements now the gender identity

[00:39:23] stuff is is embedded into the sex ed curriculum and now required curriculum for grades 7 to 12 yeah so I just had

[00:39:30] his whole new world exactly I just had Dean Broyles on the air – he’s a Christian attorney yeah who was you know

[00:39:37] trying to raise awareness of what is in the sex ed curriculum that’s in the schools and so forth and so you have all

[00:39:43] these these issues so I I think this but I think the Janis case what you’re talking about here is really kind of a

[00:39:50] linchpin situation because once that situation is dealt with it really frees

[00:39:56] people up to be able to support the values that they believe are important

[00:40:03] and it denies support to the side that’s trying to create all these laws yeah so yeah it’s it’s a win-win in in essence

[00:40:10] what’s happening is is the only way these issues have been able to gain ground is because they’ve been able to

[00:40:16] coerce people who don’t support the view to fund that position it’s a it’s a

[00:40:21] bizarre situation where a small minority has been able to take the power of a

[00:40:28] large majority and essentially say no we’re gonna do it this way right yeah I mean yeah cuz cuz there’s Christian yeah

[00:40:34] as you said earlier our schools are full of believers you know there’s some in our hearts as Christians it’s drawn to

[00:40:40] education it’s drawn to raising up the next generation and and loving these kids yeah and so there’s a disproportionate number of Christians in

[00:40:46] our schools and yet to pass these laws and essentially make them second-class citizens and afraid to share their

[00:40:51] opinions and afraid well you know mrs. Jones how do you feel about you know gay

[00:40:57] marriage or also now that teachers notice oh yeah I still told truth and

[00:41:02] risk might and risk some kind of big ruin Oh ultimate I believe she’d keep her job you know but it might have to go

[00:41:07] all the way to the courts and oh you know he had a lot of stress and a lot of pain and a lot of interruption in her lightly um but tell us a little bit more

[00:41:15] about what CAI does I know you do on what are called lift of lift America and also Daniel weekend’s takes about that

[00:41:21] let me say first of all lift a lift stands for lasting impact fellowship for teachers and a friend of mine named Mike

[00:41:27] Hicks was a teacher in Bakersfield and he went to one of our trainings and he

[00:41:32] came back with this vision for a gathering that would gather all the Christian educators across an entire

[00:41:38] city to mobilize them and to inspire them and to equip them to say hey yes

[00:41:44] here’s the law but but rather than focusing on what we can’t do what if we focus on what we can do you know and and

[00:41:49] step out in faith and boldness in that yeah and so he went back to Bakersfield and he said I’ve got a vision for the

[00:41:55] Lord told me 50 tables of eight is what he said well that’s four hundred people and so we’re all Mike four hundred

[00:42:01] people we’re lucky if we got 40 people our events that’s a little that’s a little Betty and so we tried to kind of

[00:42:07] you know maybe kind of adjust your expectations he said well this is why for the Lord told me so he goes back and he he plans his event in Bakersfield and

[00:42:14] and and so many registrations are coming in he’s got to move the event to a new location and and and he got his catering

[00:42:21] bill and sure enough he was built exactly for 400 meals and he’s like oh my goodness the Lord is is up to

[00:42:27] something yeah and so he then did it again the second year was similar turnout I ended up putting one on in Orange County that

[00:42:33] was with Biola as a partner which was well also well attended and now he’s come on staff with us and now we’re

[00:42:39] doing these we’ve done these last in the last year in 13 cities around the country we’re looking at 20 to 25 cities next year and these are amazing events

[00:42:46] because teacher it changes culture you know teachers get out of the happier based culture yeah and they say oh I got

[00:42:52] to keep my head down and they’re surrounded by a hundred or 200 or 300 or 400 teachers who are like no we’re not leaving our heads down we’re exercising

[00:42:58] our rights legally we’re doing good news clubs we’re sponsoring Bible clubs we’re

[00:43:04] being honest about our faith when we’re asked yeah we’re following the law but we’re doing with boldness you know that changes culture oh my god

[00:43:09] so those two those teachers go back and they’re yeah on fire so that so exciting to me about this is that I feel like this from the Holy Spirit

[00:43:16] because this is what I’m this is the whole May 15th event that I’m putting on know exactly what I was trying to do

[00:43:22] exactly and so my guest today is David schmooze and and I just met this guy today but I love him and he’s awesome so

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[00:45:58] david schmooze and if you’ve been listening we’ve been talking about a huge case that’s coming up in June that’s super important Janice and what

[00:46:06] this case essentially does is makes it so that teachers do not have to pay union dues to a union that contradicts

[00:46:12] their values and this has an amazing is going to have an amazing impact on

[00:46:17] education in general I’ve been arguing forever this has been my passion that

[00:46:25] education is where the next generation establishes their values so we have 90

[00:46:31] percent of kids going to public schools but in 1962 prayer was outlawed in the

[00:46:36] public schools in 1963 the Bible was outlawed and in 1968 evolution was essentially mandated now by default what

[00:46:43] you end up with is a moral agnostic philosophical view in the public schools it’s not to say that that teachers are

[00:46:50] teaching agnosticism or atheism it’s that their hands are so tied that they’re not able to teach anything else

[00:46:57] and so what are the kids end up with they end up with this idea that nobody

[00:47:02] can really know for sure what’s true nobody can really know for sure what religion is true and in fact that’s completely not the case the evidence for

[00:47:09] the truth of the Bible and Christianity is overwhelming and you can make a concrete informed intelligent decision

[00:47:15] about the truth of God and so I’m really excited to have David here David we were

[00:47:21] talking about this lyft event that you did and it you said it changes culture it changes the the vibe of the

[00:47:29] schools right so I’m hoping man that the next one you do can be here in San Diego

[00:47:35] although with this with this no way Danny Raven you guys doing this is I mean yeah you’re doing it yeah yeah but

[00:47:40] IIIi don’t know I I hope this is ongoing you know do you ever do on periodically in the same city or oh yeah once we

[00:47:47] start in a city we usually do them annually in that city that never had earned so far so we’re on our fourth event now we just in our fourth event in

[00:47:53] Orange County Bakersfield on their fifth event another said other cities around the country are doing this so so how are

[00:47:59] you what are the testimonies you’re hearing back from that I mean are you really seeing a big impact yeah you know we had a tune to me Andrea and Andrea

[00:48:06] also was one of these ones that went back and started a good news Club on her campus and she had a little a little kid

[00:48:14] a little fourth grader I think here is ander who came to her who came to her

[00:48:19] club and Xander was kind of like this ringleader you know he he got her to get

[00:48:25] her kids he was very encouraging and you know she had had this sense of I need to curse hard this Good News Club

[00:48:30] now even though our event was held in in March and it was toward into the school year my time she got all together there

[00:48:36] one about six weeks left in the school year but she’s like I need to do this now for some reason just felt a conviction of the holy spirit and she

[00:48:41] started the club Xander was heavily involved well before the school year ended Xander was killed in a very tragic

[00:48:47] car accident and she realized oh my goodness like there was a community created at our school to support his

[00:48:55] friends his family you know the school at large about we know where Xander is and what it means to be in heaven and

[00:49:00] who you know who is Jesus and so there was this huge ministry that happened because she had obeyed and she said no

[00:49:05] I’m gonna start this Good News Club now it’s a puzzle wait till next school year she also got some opposition from one of

[00:49:12] her parents and teachers it was a teacher was also a parent at that school

[00:49:18] about hey this is unconstitutional separation state you know go to the principal principal now says no it’s the courts have ruled it’s it’s legitimate

[00:49:24] and but but nonetheless this teacher created some problems well over and I and I tell it we tell our teachers you

[00:49:31] know opposition God is so much bigger than that right so over the summer this particular parent their their

[00:49:38] daycare schedule changed and all of a sudden that next school year they found themselves needing daycare or Wednesday afternoons

[00:49:44] the same time as a good news club so guess whose kid is now part of the Good News Club at this particular school in

[00:49:49] San Clemente well you know so god works oh yeah crazy ways yeah yeah we’ve seen lots of stories like and what’s amazing

[00:49:56] too is a lot of times those little kids they go home and they witness to their parents right and they have an impact on

[00:50:01] their parents lives and it’s amazing to see this you know that’s one thing we try to teachers our teachers is to is to

[00:50:07] is to pray and obey you know because we can’t get them in front of our class and give an altar call right but we can

[00:50:14] listen for the voice Holy Spirit and say okay what are we gonna do what is he leading me to do yeah there was one time I was driving to school at

[00:50:20] when I was a teacher and I was saying okay Lord what do you want me to do and I felt like he said pray for your principal well my principal we you know

[00:50:27] we had an OK relationship but but she had a lot of authority and wasn’t afraid to use her authority and yeah I used to

[00:50:32] fear a little bit as a motivator and so I was frankly afraid of her you know so

[00:50:38] but I got up my courage I went in there I said hey um I’m the analyst sounds weird but I think I supposed to pray for

[00:50:43] you and she looked at me for about 10 seconds so what it didn’t say word and I’m kind of mentally freshening up and

[00:50:50] eventually she started to pour her heart out and she had she was facing an issue that was so so horrible so tough and she

[00:50:57] couldn’t share with anyone else because it was some implications that were you know on campus and and God really met

[00:51:03] her that day and so we we we teach her we teach our teachers okay you know hey

[00:51:08] who’s that one that God is calling you to impact today and and yes I know you can’t give an altar call in your classroom but you can reach that one

[00:51:15] that God has prepared for you to reach just put your listening ears on yeah soon in yeah I love that I there’s a

[00:51:21] quote from Mother Teresa that always sticks with me and it’s just help the

[00:51:26] one person in front of you you know and that’s what God’s calling us to do in Italy and we don’t need to save the

[00:51:31] whole world that’s his job but if we just focus on that one person in front of us and like you said pray and obey boy that that’s just has far-reaching

[00:51:38] implications so so fantastic and then tell us we’re almost you know we’re

[00:51:44] closing up shop here soon but tell us what is a Daniel weekend is that different than lift America yeah before

[00:51:49] the day of the week if I could just mentioned that if teachers have questions about the union issues yeah Hana’s case if they go to CEA I’d org

[00:51:56] slash unions okay CEA I’d org slash unions there’s a page that we’ve created that’ll answer all

[00:52:01] the questions hopefully about about the Janis case and experience yeah Daniel weekends are amazing

[00:52:06] Dana weekends where we get teachers away for a weekend it’s typically free for teachers we are almost free we’ve

[00:52:13] sometimes heard a little depositors to make sure they show up but yeah but we undress to support these and it’s a

[00:52:18] weekend conference that helps them they learned a law that are well-versed in all the legal issues we give them

[00:52:24] freedom to dream we give them freedom to kind of think what would well if you weren’t afraid if there were no obstacles you know what would what might

[00:52:30] God do on your campus and we freedom to dream and to end to pray and to believe for that yeah and then we help them

[00:52:35] develop an action plan so that when they go back to their campus they have actual plan to follow and we work to kind of

[00:52:41] create some some support for them just hey call them up hey how’s your plan going how can we pray for you we I did

[00:52:46] one recently up and up in the Fresno area and we had a group of the teachers from a little town called Ripon

[00:52:51] California which is in the Central Valley and they got on fire and they went back and and they put on a

[00:52:56] religious freedoms workshop for their district and their community then I got to go up there and speak at that just a few weeks ago and and and that’s the

[00:53:03] kind of thing we’re seeing we’re seeing teachers go back and they say oh yeah how could I get the word out there I’m golden yeah how can I change culture in

[00:53:08] my in my community in my district yeah so I know uh when we had Eric beer on –

[00:53:14] he they he does a thing that was similar to you guys yeah do you guys work for you together in public schools yeah yeah

[00:53:19] yeah yeah we do it we do it that is so cool yeah that when the teachers hear the information they just all this fear

[00:53:25] goes away yes and they just feel like I can be myself I don’t have to hide who is right and then it opens up so many

[00:53:31] opportunities for these hurting kids who are like looking for hope you know right and then this world has no hope to offer

[00:53:37] them and so it’s so vacuous in bankrupt in LA for you find someone who actually lives out of a place of hope and peace

[00:53:42] and life it’s like how can they not help but be drawn to know amen amen well David I really appreciate your time

[00:53:49] and you’re gonna be with us on May 15th is that yeah yeah I’m super excited man if I had met you sooner I might’ve how

[00:53:54] do you be a speaker so uh you thanks so much for being here and if you’re

[00:54:00] listening and you want to know more about this CEA i.org if you want to know more about the Union CEA I

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