Escaping the Public Schools – with Michelle John, Dr. Chapin Marsh and Nancy Whitson

[00:00:00] thanks for being here today this is kevin connor i’m your host here on educate for life radio we’re broadcasting down in southern california

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[00:00:19] and uh there is all kinds of shows that deal with all kinds of subjects that we have to deal

[00:00:26] with as christians so from a biblical perspective whether that has to do with science issues whether it’s social

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[00:00:37] of subjects we cover we’ve got up over a hundred different shows there with experts from all over

[00:00:42] the place and today we have a fantastic opportunity to talk about something that is really exciting to me because if you

[00:00:48] know anything about my heart i am very passionate about education i believe that

[00:00:54] it all starts when kids are in elementary junior high high school that is uh where we need to

[00:01:01] be salt and light and be reaching kids with a biblical world view and i i

[00:01:07] fundamentally believe that a lot of the things that we’re complaining about in our country today can be tied back to

[00:01:13] the changes that have taken place in the education system starting all the way back in in uh you know really it goes back to

[00:01:20] the beginning of of the early 1900s but if you look at things like what happened in 1962 and 63 where they took the bible

[00:01:29] and prayer out of schools and then in 1968 they mandated the teaching of evolution

[00:01:34] and then we can just see the the domino effect that has happened no fault divorce was legalized in 1970

[00:01:41] uh in 1973 uh roe versus wade took place and then progressively we can see the

[00:01:47] changes taking place in the culture as um as that foundation that that biblical

[00:01:53] foundation and that god fearing foundation was removed in the in the public education system and

[00:01:59] so um what’s really exciting to me is uh what um michelle john uh what god

[00:02:06] has put on her heart is to start a christian school that uh is

[00:02:12] affordable for families who can’t necessarily send their children to the typical

[00:02:17] private christian school so my guests today are michelle john who is the school administrator of new gateway

[00:02:23] christian academy uh dr chapin marsh he’s the president of youth development international and also a

[00:02:30] somebody who knows a lot about education and starting christian schools and also nancy whitson who is the president of

[00:02:37] new gateways non-profit board so um i just want to thank you so much for being on the program today

[00:02:43] thank you for having us absolutely absolutely and um full you know full disclaimer here i have a personal

[00:02:50] friendship with chapin and i’ve known michelle for quite a while back at horizon christian academy so um

[00:02:57] long time relationships there and a big blessing so um michelle why don’t you start off by just telling us um you know

[00:03:04] how did this get started where did this come from you know it’s not everybody who just

[00:03:09] decides hey i want to start a school that’s a pretty big undertaking so tell us the background here how did this

[00:03:15] happen so well for the last uh seven years uh we ran

[00:03:20] a non-profit i was the executive director of a non-profit organization that was um their whole mission

[00:03:28] and their heart was to help those who could not make ends meet financially to be become self-sufficient either

[00:03:35] through starting a job uh getting a better job or starting starting a business

[00:03:41] and so as uh the situation in the in the schools um it’s it’s very interesting

[00:03:47] that our board is um made up of committed christians

[00:03:53] but about three of us with education backgrounds and so it was

[00:03:59] um very concerning to us that christian parents

[00:04:05] were feeling locked into the situation in the public schools

[00:04:11] where children are being taught values that do not align with

[00:04:18] the bible and it’s becoming worse than it ever was before and so we started

[00:04:23] getting quite concerned about that and um out of that concern

[00:04:30] and the concern was more for those people who could not afford

[00:04:35] private education private christian education um and felt that they had no

[00:04:42] choice but to continue keeping their children in public schools and so what we were trying to do and

[00:04:49] what was birthed out of that concern was a system where

[00:04:55] people who could not uh afford or or at least people who could um

[00:05:01] be be have the option of having a christian school that would would not

[00:05:07] um be outside of their budget so what we’re going to what we’re trying to do with

[00:05:14] this school is um make it affordable according to each person’s budget each household’s budget

[00:05:22] absolutely you know it’s funny because uh when i was when i was in high school i i desperately wanted to go to um

[00:05:28] actually horizon is where i wanted to go to school i had friends that were going to go there and i was like dad i want to

[00:05:34] go to this school you know i was going to i was actually going to point loma high school at the time and my my dad

[00:05:40] was like kevin we can’t afford that we just we can’t do that and and so you know um this has been an issue for a

[00:05:45] long time for a lot of parents and a lot of families it’s it’s absolutely something and um

[00:05:50] and you know it’s interesting to me that you know when you brought this up and we had that phone conversation uh my

[00:05:56] thought process was well why hasn’t this been done before and um so i guess along those lines uh you know with what you’re

[00:06:04] trying to do what are some of the obstacles that it that you’re facing when you’re trying to

[00:06:10] start a school like this i mean this is harder than it’s hard enough to start a private school but to start a school in

[00:06:15] which you’re actually subsidizing families because you’re not getting money from the state right

[00:06:22] you’re not getting free money from the state and so yet these teachers have to be paid right that the staff’s got to be

[00:06:27] paid the administrators got to be paid um you know they’re not financially independent where there all

[00:06:33] these people are like just doing all this for free um help us help our listeners understand

[00:06:39] some of the obstacles that you’re dealing with in doing this and some of the things that you want to do to or or your needs so that you can

[00:06:46] overcome and get this get this rolling first of all i want to say that that

[00:06:51] this whole project is being covered with prayer we are praying

[00:06:56] for the parents whose hearts are broken over what their children are having to uh

[00:07:03] to learn at school um and i know that these parents are crying out to the lord

[00:07:08] for for an alternative and so um we are hoping that we would be that

[00:07:14] alternative and therefore i i would i would um

[00:07:19] preface everything by the fact that this is going to be and i know all

[00:07:25] christian schools are god’s work but this is something where it’s going to be um

[00:07:31] really dependent on god moving in the hearts of people god is establishing this school because of

[00:07:38] the need for this day this season and so that’s what’s going to um

[00:07:45] i want to preface everything that that that we’re seeing that’s different um with that

[00:07:52] um we we uh there are many obstacles

[00:07:58] [Music] having a place uh having finding the right

[00:08:05] teachers this is a mission that we’re on so finding teachers that have that same heart and that same mission i think if

[00:08:13] we we would all work together as god sends people to us i think we would have

[00:08:18] overcome some of the um obstacles and then of course it would

[00:08:23] need the the the um the cooperation of the whole

[00:08:29] christian community everyone whose hearts are stirred that there needs to be a solution to

[00:08:35] this problem will um i believe god will will bring them alongside to help so this is not

[00:08:42] going to it’s not going to be that even like the way that we conduct school cannot be the way that it’s done

[00:08:49] traditionally we’re probably going to have more of a hybrid we’re probably going to include a lot of the

[00:08:54] homeschooling and individualized learning um some of the digital um

[00:09:04] training teachers we may have to use some of the online um teaching

[00:09:10] methods as well but we are to take everything that’s out there that some technology offers and try to see how we

[00:09:17] can make something that will solve this problem for those parents that really

[00:09:24] need an alternative and all the while not limiting

[00:09:29] um excellence academic excellence and everything must be within a biblical

[00:09:36] worldview well i also feel that a lot of people

[00:09:42] are very concerned about what they’re seeing in school i see a movement

[00:09:48] locally and across the country of people who are extremely frustrated by either

[00:09:54] what they’re hearing what they’re learning some of the new things that are coming out in our schools or even those

[00:09:59] who maybe were home through coved and seeing some of the things their kids are learning and

[00:10:06] there’s this pent-up frustration of they don’t know really how to change things how to help and we’re hoping that some

[00:10:12] of those people that are passionate about changing our schools will come alongside us and this could be an outlet

[00:10:18] for them to partner with a school that provides a biblical foundation and

[00:10:24] teaches american values absolutely i you know i think this is just a matter of getting the word out honestly i think

[00:10:30] there are so many people that are interested in that will be interested in what you’re doing and will support it um

[00:10:36] just with you know getting the word out i i have to tell you i was um in a conversation with somebody recently and

[00:10:41] a teacher over in the grossmont union school district here in um san diego i

[00:10:47] found out that uh they’re actually they i guess they’re going through some teacher training they’re teaching that there are 17 genders and kids has to

[00:10:54] are being told they have to specify out of these 17 choices what gender they are i mean it’s just outrageous uh the the

[00:11:01] stuff that’s going on in the public schools and then of course california is now mandating masks um again and which

[00:11:09] is outrageous for a lot of parents for a lot of reasons um because you’re you’re

[00:11:14] you know people are a lot of people are vaccinated and now you’re saying hey they need mass again and it’s just like this ridiculous uh quote anti-science

[00:11:22] situation and um you know uh dr marsh you have your pulse

[00:11:27] on a lot of what’s going on among youth with youth development uh international and so forth and um

[00:11:34] before we before we get to that new gateway california.org newgatewayca.org

[00:11:40] is the website if you’re listening and you want to hop in here you want to get involved this is um something that kind

[00:11:46] of stirs your heart stirs your your soul then um newgatewayca.org is the website you can

[00:11:52] also reach michelle at six zero 619-272-601 seven she’s extension seven zero four

[00:11:58] we’ll repeat that throughout the show and we’ll also post that in the notes uh for those of you listening but

[00:12:04] uh dr marsh um what’s your feeling on what’s happening with education and what are the big issues that

[00:12:10] that we’ve already mentioned some of them what other issues are there that you feel that parents are very concerned about with

[00:12:16] what’s being taught in the public schools thank you kevin great radio program love

[00:12:22] you michelle nancy thank you guys for having me on here so when is enough

[00:12:29] enough friends when is enough enough there are a myriad of issues that are

[00:12:35] both philosophical spiritual educational uh cultural that are just

[00:12:41] being completely avalanched on our kids it’s been going on for a very long time for example in

[00:12:48] the mid eighteen hundreds uh horace mann and then followed by john dewey’s philosophy of education was this

[00:12:54] we are going to make american public schools citadels

[00:12:59] of secularism wow that’s why i can now drive here in claremont

[00:13:07] or solana beach or wherever and the public schools look almost identical when they’re built

[00:13:14] right they’re just really gorgeous amazing facilities top of the line stuff

[00:13:20] and even in the poorest communities because the idea is to inculcate and indoctrinate the kids in the ways of the

[00:13:26] world so the question is when is enough enough as christian parents because we’re basically speaking to christian parents

[00:13:32] the fundamental question that we have to answer is this are we doing the great commission and

[00:13:39] the great commandment are we making disciples of jesus christ and then are we sending our kids out appropriately

[00:13:44] discipled and so in a christian school typically christian schools and a new

[00:13:51] gateway uh approach for certain with michelle and the rest of the leadership team it’s all about jesus christ first

[00:13:57] and preeminent the word of god singular sound doctrine and the word

[00:14:02] the holy spirit and and the love of jesus flowing through people not at the expense of solid academics but in

[00:14:08] addition to and one of the things that michelle and her team are going to be able to do that’s going to be absolutely outstanding is at calvary chapel

[00:14:15] university we’re wanting to partner with them we’re fully accredited 100 online so she can

[00:14:22] have at new gateway high school kids as early as ninth grade instead of taking ap and honors classes which we don’t

[00:14:28] need anymore because everybody’s doing dual enrollment these kids will be able to get 50 off their first class 25 off

[00:14:34] the balance of their degree the entire time they’re at new gateway and then beyond that so michelle literally has

[00:14:41] this beautiful plum where any any high school kids come to the new gateway are going to be able to get a fully

[00:14:47] accredited college degree concurrent with whatever it is she and her team are doing and it’s just a beautiful uh

[00:14:55] marriage of mission vision and value so kevin the bottom line to me is as parents and i’m a parent all my kids

[00:15:02] went to christian schools or and or were homeschooled like michelle said in a hybrid because we do what we can as

[00:15:07] parents pray about new gateway pray about not just sending your kids there but pray

[00:15:14] about praying about another [Music]

[00:15:19] nancy’s heart new gateway and watch what god does when a mom and a dad or a child

[00:15:25] says i don’t want to go to my school anymore mom well what do we want to do let’s ask jesus david constantly

[00:15:31] inquired of the lord should i attack here yes should i go over here no no not this time wait for the rushing sound in

[00:15:38] the trees and then go attack every kid’s going to be different every family’s going to be different but there’s going to be this migration of families into

[00:15:45] new gateway and it’s going to be magnificent it’s going to be spirit-led

[00:15:50] and it’s going to be fruitful beyond anything we can imagine amen amen i love it and uh with that

[00:15:57] passion uh absolutely right so uh you know that the fact of the matter is is that there used

[00:16:02] to be this this excuse that was like hey um you know we need to reach kids in

[00:16:08] the public schools uh people would say we can’t just take all the christian kids out of the public schools because we need to reach kids in the public

[00:16:13] schools and or they would say things like um you know what we we can’t just abandon

[00:16:19] public education but i think a lot of parents now are to the point where they’ve decided you know what the the public schools are actually not

[00:16:24] redeemable um and this is in in my opinion and i’m sure to a large

[00:16:29] extent you agree that the foundation is wrong and the problem is is that you’re not going to get the results that you’re

[00:16:34] looking for when the foundation is all cracked and and shattered and so um i know for myself in public education i

[00:16:41] came from a strong christian family but it was very very difficult for me in a public school

[00:16:47] to live the christian life to learn the christian life to know what it was all about and everything um by god’s grace

[00:16:54] and because of a good church and a good youth pastor i was able to uh come out and survive and and ultimately have a

[00:17:02] strong faith in the lord but um i saw a lot of my friends that that was not the same situation and i’ve heard those

[00:17:07] stories over and over and over again from parents and we know the stats the stats are seven to eight of every 10

[00:17:14] christian kids who go to public schools will walk away from their faith and so

[00:17:20] parents who are listening when you hear these sorts of things i i hope you check out new gateway

[00:17:27] christian academy because the fact of the matter is is this is an

[00:17:32] opportunity that there’s actually no more excuses because you you can get uh the education at a cost that is viable

[00:17:39] that you can you can do do with and um these are our kids minds that we’re

[00:17:46] talking about here uh it’s worth it’s worthwhile so again the website is newgatewayca.org newgatewayca.org

[00:17:53] my guests today are michelle john she’s a school administrator new gateway christian academy nancy whitson who is

[00:18:00] the president of new gateways nonprofit board and dr chapin marsh who’s an expert on youth and education and

[00:18:06] starting schools and so forth so um my website’s educate4life.org all kinds of useful information on there including

[00:18:12] curriculum too for your kids but um nancy i wanted to ask you

[00:18:18] uh from your perspective you know as the president of the non-profit uh board tell us about that so what what how does

[00:18:25] a school like this run differently from the typical school well obviously it’s much different than

[00:18:30] a public school but even from the from the typical private school what is the process of say a parent

[00:18:38] joining the school and if there’s somebody out there who says i’d like to get involved in help what are their what

[00:18:43] are their opportunities for getting involved well thank you um right now we have a a lot of

[00:18:49] opportunities for getting involved if you have a child that you think would benefit from this type of education the

[00:18:56] application forms are currently on the website um so we’re starting to take

[00:19:01] applications already for this fall year if you are a teacher a retired teacher

[00:19:08] or if you’re active say in the public school system and this type of thing appeals to you maybe you don’t like

[00:19:14] what’s going on we’d love to hear from you we’d love to see how how you could fit into what we’re doing here

[00:19:20] um if you are a parent a grandparent an aunt an uncle

[00:19:26] um and you have a passion for what’s going on in our public school systems and

[00:19:32] you’d like to see this type of an alternative get launched we would love to have you

[00:19:38] come alongside and partner with us there’s opportunities to give and we invite you to join us as a partner in

[00:19:45] giving we’re also looking for things such as desks school supplies

[00:19:51] things like that as well so if you have any uh passion if you’d like to to join us please reach out to

[00:19:58] michelle there’s an opportunity for us to use your skills and what you bring to the

[00:20:03] table and we would love to invite you to be a part of what we’re doing here so along those same lines what what um

[00:20:09] let’s say there’s a teacher out there and you know i actually i’m thinking of somebody very specifically they they

[00:20:14] actually they left the public education system because they were tired of what’s happening they were like there’s no way i i can support this i have to leave

[00:20:22] what kind of credentials and so forth are you looking for for a teacher that comes in and and i’m sure a lot of

[00:20:28] people are thinking you know do you get paid if you teach here or is this purely voluntary you know that’s

[00:20:33] probably something that’s run through people’s minds uh michelle can you uh provide some answers for that that question

[00:20:39] um our heart is to pay every teacher um i can’t i can’t tell you exactly how

[00:20:45] it’s all gonna work here this was because um you know there is a certain amount of faith involved in in all of

[00:20:51] this and we know that god is going to supply all our needs um uh

[00:20:56] but as far as the credentialing is concerned um we

[00:21:01] will take anyone who has uh experience in teaching a particular subject who

[00:21:07] meets all of our requirements we are members of acsi and we can get

[00:21:13] them acsi accredited or at least not accredited but certified

[00:21:19] so so that it would be easy for anyone

[00:21:24] we’re thinking of even homeschooling retired home school parents

[00:21:30] and pastors who would like to teach bible can all come they can all join our

[00:21:38] teaching team one other thing i wanted to mention is

[00:21:43] that at the moment our school building is

[00:21:49] is relatively small and so

[00:21:54] it would mean that if a lot of people

[00:22:00] one appearance really want this option we really need and we are praying for a building a

[00:22:08] school building um so if you are an evangelical church and you have a space

[00:22:14] for a school we also would love to talk to you okay great and then we can accept more

[00:22:21] people yeah absolutely so uh what area are you looking for a building in is there a particular area

[00:22:27] in san diego county you know what at this point in time i think anywhere in san diego county that

[00:22:33] will be easily accessible to parents would be good for us

[00:22:38] okay and then um what kind of grades are are you are you is this going k through 12 is this uh purely high school what

[00:22:45] what is the uh grades uh you’re looking at here we are uh wanting to start

[00:22:51] with seventh to 12th and eventually expand to the smaller grades because i

[00:22:57] believe that the teenagers need the help right now more than anything else we need to get

[00:23:03] our teenagers out of the public school as quickly as possible and so we decided to start with the bigger grades

[00:23:10] and then as families have the need for the smaller grades we will add those in

[00:23:15] okay that’s fantastic and um so so um

[00:23:22] how many teachers do you think you need in order to start how many students are you i mean you’re you’re hopping in on

[00:23:27] this uh right school’s right around the corner you’re about to start here so um what do you anticipate your needs for

[00:23:34] the amount of teachers the amount of students the amount of desks what kind of uh do you have any numbers on those sorts

[00:23:40] of things or what are your thoughts there um i

[00:23:45] i have um a minimum of six teachers um but we do have a backup plan if we

[00:23:51] don’t get that because we have already uh started speaking with an online

[00:23:56] uh academy where we can have actual um teacher

[00:24:02] interaction um live so there there is that alternative for

[00:24:08] us but if we uh um we really would like to have our teachers on on on um

[00:24:15] on the ground in the classroom yeah um

[00:24:20] so yeah that that’s that’s what we’re hoping to do um

[00:24:26] so that’s the minimum uh as far as when we are hoping to start on the 13th of

[00:24:33] september as our start date the desks right now in the place that we

[00:24:39] are at we don’t um immediately need the desks and the chairs we do need things like um

[00:24:49] white boards that type of thing maybe very little we we need very little

[00:24:54] right now because our room is very small our building is very small but um

[00:25:01] the minute that god provides a building from one of those churches i was just

[00:25:07] talking about that he’s going to stir up is the minute that we will need all the rest of the

[00:25:12] supplies like smart boards and you know um [Music]

[00:25:17] all the desks and the chairs and and everything else that um

[00:25:22] that we would need to to give the children all that all the assistance that they need yeah

[00:25:30] absolutely okay their website again is newgatewayca.org newgatewayca.org

[00:25:36] you can also email school newgateway.org to get a hold of michelle uh and her

[00:25:42] phone number is 619-272-6017 um you know and of course the big issue

[00:25:49] right now one of the big issues in the public schools is the whole thing with crt uh this is a a huge problem uh

[00:25:55] critical race theory i’ve had multiple guests on the program discussing this and where it came from and what’s going

[00:26:01] on in the in the divisiveness it’s causing and uh it’s completely anti-biblical um

[00:26:07] and so a lot of a lot of people don’t know it um public schools in california are now offering

[00:26:13] uh free meals uh indefinitely which to me seems

[00:26:19] very manipulative uh in order to try to keep kids in the public schools the whole thing that’s happening with

[00:26:24] gavin newsom and and i found out recently that larry elder is running on a platform of school

[00:26:32] choice which is fantastic because he’s his position is is that we need full

[00:26:37] school choice which would mean private school choice and do your efforts uh coincide at all with

[00:26:44] the the school choice movement with because potentially your school would actually be able to get funding

[00:26:51] from from the government because well not directly from the government but to parents which then choose the school um

[00:26:58] do you have any thoughts on that uh michelle as far as the the school choice movement or anything

[00:27:04] we are praying that that larry elder will be elected and school choice would be an option for us that is is something

[00:27:11] that would really make a big difference for this particular type of school

[00:27:17] so um uh dr marsh you’re you’re in arizona now i believe is that correct

[00:27:23] yep and arizona actually has pretty friendly um pretty friendly laws regarding private

[00:27:30] schools and private school choice and uh what’s your feeling about that and the future of education as it

[00:27:36] pertains to new gateway and um the opportunities that are coming up yeah so i would just talk to parents

[00:27:44] quickly and just um every christian family is gonna they have the free will to make any decision they want and

[00:27:50] oftentimes parents feel like hey my child going to a public school is going to strengthen my child

[00:27:56] and we always want to give people that freedom for sure christian faculty staff

[00:28:01] administration if you’re called into public school go because that is a radical mission field in the bible

[00:28:07] really the only time we ever see children in a sense if you will sacrifices to molech when you see god

[00:28:13] wanting to build a vision he wants to build the vision of the law he built it through a

[00:28:19] baby moses and satan pharaoh as a type of satan is going around killing all the baby boys because

[00:28:25] satan is not omniscient i’m the present

[00:28:30] so he just shotguns everything will kill all the baby boys but god but god saves

[00:28:36] baby moses births the law because without the law there’s no law giver which means there’s no sovereign

[00:28:43] god over everything so the law is critical but the law will never get us to heaven so fast forward

[00:28:49] god ends up birthing baby jesus the carrier of grace herod just like pharaoh a type of satan

[00:28:56] is killing all the baby boys doesn’t know which one it’s killing all the baby boys so he can destroy the vision for

[00:29:02] grace but god allows jesus obviously to fulfill his mission and so there’s this constant

[00:29:09] radical warfare 62 kevin you know the number better than i do million babies

[00:29:15] aborted just in the u.s since roe v wade in 73 so how much vision that’s an entire

[00:29:21] nation of spain for example your kids my kids our grandkids the

[00:29:28] little ones that are itty bitty and into preschool in kindergarten we how much more would we

[00:29:35] want to inculcate and fill them with the word of god which will never come back void in an environment that is far from

[00:29:42] perfect we always tell people we’re sinners teaching spinners whose parents are sinners in a christian school

[00:29:48] but god and you have this it’s generally safer it’s generally

[00:29:53] better educationally it’s general it’s definitely better

[00:30:02] oh we cut out a little bit there

[00:30:09] shaping you there well you know um uh until we get to philosophy of

[00:30:15] education that’s coming out so new gateway is the answer to me amen you cut out a little

[00:30:21] bit there chapin but that’s okay uh we enjoyed uh your the pose there it was awesome just like that right

[00:30:27] [Laughter] anyway um you know when you were when

[00:30:33] you were talking there um you know it’s interesting i i’ve taught now in christian schools for 14 years

[00:30:40] and i i’m always blown away by the difference between the public school

[00:30:46] that i went to in high school compared to the the schools that now that i’ve taught in um literally in 14 years i’ve

[00:30:53] seen probably two fights two fights in school in christian schools and they weren’t really in fights it was more

[00:30:59] like one kid hit a kid and it was done and um when i was in public school at point loma high school i literally saw

[00:31:05] violent fights once a week it was very very common and the the

[00:31:11] contrast is just so dramatic and so great and that contrast is getting greater i’ve my kids now are nine

[00:31:20] uh 12 and 14 and they have some friends that the little

[00:31:25] kids go to public school and the little kids are coming home saying um i can be a boy or a girl right there

[00:31:32] my daughter’s little girlfriend says i can be a girl or a boy and my my daughter says no you can’t

[00:31:39] no you you can’t do that and you know it’s very clear i now have to have these bizarre conversations with my kids about

[00:31:46] um she’s like why does she say that and i’m like okay here’s what’s going on it’s super weird but

[00:31:52] you know and and you get into moral relativism which it started to be moral relativism which was all morals

[00:31:58] are subjective all morals are just opinions but now it’s all facts are opinions which is crazy right which is

[00:32:04] purely the devil because um jesus christ says i am the way the truth and the life and what the devil says is no no what

[00:32:11] we’ve got to do is say there’s no truth right jesus says i am the truth and the devil says if if i can make the case

[00:32:18] that there’s no truth then we don’t even have to have this discussion and you if you can’t know

[00:32:23] truth then the discussion goes away and that’s what we’re dealing with so for the parents out there that are listening i i cannot overstate how

[00:32:30] important it is for your child to get a christian education and um i know everybody everybody is dealing with

[00:32:38] financial hardship a lot of families have struggled through what’s happened with covid and the shutdown of businesses i know people who have lost

[00:32:44] their businesses but um you know what i think that the outpouring here of

[00:32:51] god’s grace to christian families is astonishing honestly i think that the

[00:32:56] opportunity to do something here to move in a different direction to move our our city to move our county to move our

[00:33:03] state to our country in a different education i believe god is using what the devil intended for evil kovid um

[00:33:11] for good uh by breaking up the education monopoly and um showing it for what it

[00:33:16] is uh showing it for the the false education that it is and so um along

[00:33:22] these same lines uh michael alexander who was on my radio program just a little while ago he’s

[00:33:28] actually spearheading a private school choice bill um they’re looking for a million signatures by the end of 2022

[00:33:35] in california and it will then go on the ballot and if if they get that so

[00:33:41] we need to spread the word about that too because um your school new gateway as well as many other schools

[00:33:48] where they’re honoring the lord um parents will have that freedom to be able to go to those schools and uh and i

[00:33:54] asked him he said he’s been fighting this fight for 30 years and i i said well what makes this different he says oh parents are in an uh they are just

[00:34:01] outraged um he said this is our chance right here um to get those signatures

[00:34:06] people see the reason why it’s important now their eyes are being opened and uh we need to make this happen so so

[00:34:13] very exciting um what you’re doing um michelle and nancy and chapin here and again if you’re just

[00:34:20] tuning in our our guests today are michelle john who is the school administrator of a new school new

[00:34:26] gateway christian academy which is unique uh in fact i’ve never heard it done before um in that

[00:34:32] they’re accommodating whatever financial um situation a christian family is in

[00:34:38] that wants their kid in a christian school they’re making a way for them to get in the school regardless it doesn’t matter

[00:34:43] and then um nancy witness whitson is the president of new gateways non-profit board and then chapin marsh president of youth

[00:34:50] development international so um their their website is newgatewayca.org

[00:34:56] and michelle’s phone number is extension 619-272-6017

[00:35:03] if you want to get involved and that’s if you’re a teacher if you’re you want to get involved in a christian school and you’re a teacher if you want to

[00:35:10] put your kids in the school as a christian family if you want to become an administrator in the school if you

[00:35:16] want to become a donor and a supporter in the school um i can honestly i can’t think of a better way to invest your

[00:35:22] time and money and energy than into something like this uh you’re you’re literally talking about the souls of

[00:35:27] kids um and the direction of their their whole life so um it’s fantastic

[00:35:33] um something to that absolutely please so some parents are thinking

[00:35:40] that well i can i can navigate around the sexualization and the crt by by opting

[00:35:48] out um but i want my my my children to have a good uh the

[00:35:54] rest of the education that’s available in public school but i want to say that um they have to

[00:36:00] be very careful because uh all of these in ideologies are in in

[00:36:06] integrated into every single subject you know whether it be english literature

[00:36:12] math um today i read an article about uh um

[00:36:18] a book that was for the young children that covered masturbation that were in

[00:36:24] the public school school libraries so even if they don’t hear it in the

[00:36:30] classroom it’s also in the libraries so parents have to be very discerning very

[00:36:36] careful about what what they do with regard to this decision

[00:36:42] of where the child goes to school plus the the students their peers you

[00:36:48] know the friends that they’ll make at school that also might be a factor when they’re

[00:36:54] considering where they want their students to learn right absolutely absolutely uh show me your

[00:37:01] friends and i’ll show you your future all right that’s biblical so um

[00:37:06] chapin i’ll give you a last word here

[00:37:13] he might be frozen you there chapin i’m right here okay good

[00:37:20] uh uh i i wanted to give you a chance to have a final word if you if you’d like

[00:37:29] i i love you guys i think i’m freezing out okay maybe that’s what it is okay

[00:37:34] well um thank you so much for being on the program today uh michelle nancy chapin it’s a huge blessing um and what

[00:37:41] you’re doing is an even bigger blessing and uh so uh anything i can do to continue to support you i i wanna do it

[00:37:48] and uh we’ll shoot this out all over social media and and uh to our our followers our christian followers who

[00:37:54] who i am sure there are plenty of people that are going to want to support this so thank you so much for being here

[00:38:00] thank you kevin absolutely okay uh for those of you listening uh we will see you next week i

[00:38:06] hope you enjoyed the program and uh get involved if you can and uh we’ll be back with more great information great guests

[00:38:13] and uh great biblical world view next time talk to you later bye-bye