Archaeological Biblical Tours at the British Museum with Jill Baker

[00:00:01] thanks a lot for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover and I’m your host on educate for Life radio we’re broadcasting down here in Southern

[00:00:08] California on kpra 1210 a.m. and we’re also on FM 106.1 in North County but of

[00:00:15] course we’re all over the world as well and that’s good news because uh my guest this evening is uh from across the pond

[00:00:23] uh as people say she’s in London and uh happened to bump into my website uh shot

[00:00:30] an email out and she is actually doing biblical tours in the British museum over in London and sharing all the

[00:00:38] evidence for the truth of the Bible from archaeology and history uh and it’s just

[00:00:44] phenomenal what she’s doing I I thought I was so excited to hear about what she’s doing that I asked if she would be willing to be a guest and uh Jill I just

[00:00:50] want to say thank you for being here oh no it’s absolutely my pleasure thank you for inviting me a so exciting um tell us

[00:00:58] how long have you been giving tours in the British museum um I started doing tours in

[00:01:05] 2019 um I had done a few smaller tours um just as I was practicing and then I

[00:01:12] started um as it were my own business really just to try and promote it to um

[00:01:21] see if I could get um people to come along to see the evidence and also in

[00:01:27] 2019 I had the wonderful opport Unity to go to Israel with um I don’t know if you

[00:01:34] know Joel Kramer yeah uhuh so I went on his tour

[00:01:40] because um you visit in Israel you visit a lot of the sites the archaeological

[00:01:46] sites that the artifacts that are on display in the British museum come from

[00:01:52] so it just gives an extra layer of evidence when you’ve actually been to

[00:01:57] the archaeological site itself yeah absolutely I know for me um hearing

[00:02:04] about the archaeology visiting places I it it just is incredibly uh just increases your

[00:02:10] confidence just a hundredfold yes it’s things like even

[00:02:16] the Topography is accurate so when you read through the narrative in the Bible

[00:02:23] you can see that it’s an eyewitness account because the description of the

[00:02:29] layout the land and where certain places and things are just lends to firsters

[00:02:36] eyewitness account which is amazing yeah that’s phenomenal now um

[00:02:42] You can you tell us a little bit about um your background before we hop into some of these evidences in the British museum um can you tell us a little bit

[00:02:48] about your background as far as were you brought up in a Christian family I know that um there has been a decrease in the

[00:02:55] amount of people that consider themselves Christians over in Britain um and I’m just curious about you know how

[00:03:02] you grew up and and came to know uh Christ um I grew up as an atheist as a

[00:03:09] very strong atheist and I love the theory of evolution um I had a an

[00:03:17] an issue in terms of um having my son

[00:03:23] christened which led me to a toddler group in a church a church church

[00:03:29] toddler group where um they they put on

[00:03:34] um discussions that that try to lead you

[00:03:39] to asking the the fundamental questions of about where does Grandma go when she

[00:03:45] dies those kind of questions and I went into one of these groups and they asked

[00:03:51] the question was Jesus Lord lunatic or a liar and we’ve been given these

[00:03:58] workbooks to work through and I just threw mine behind me because

[00:04:03] I said I’m done he couldn’t be a lunatic and he wasn’t a liar so he can only be

[00:04:10] the Lord wow and you you were so astonished that you threw your book yes because

[00:04:18] there were no other questions to ask wow that’s fantastic huh so that just really

[00:04:24] confronted your atheism right there and you just decided wow this is true

[00:04:31] um it was it was a little bit more of a journey because I still had to

[00:04:38] um meet my sins and accept that they were sins and I needed a savior and that

[00:04:45] Jesus Christ and what he had done for me on the cross meant that I could go free

[00:04:52] and have a full relationship with my heavenly father through the shed blood

[00:04:58] of Christ and and it also led me to change very

[00:05:03] dramatically wow which wasn’t necessarily liked by everybody because um you changed

[00:05:11] dramatically and one of the things that I first had to confront was my belief in

[00:05:19] evolution um and the Lord instantly led me to Answers in Genesis and I was blown

[00:05:25] away because no one ever tells you the amount of actual evidence there is that

[00:05:30] Darwin’s theory um just never stands up it doesn’t stand

[00:05:36] up and if you go to the Natural History Museum the Natural History Museum actually where I do creation tours um

[00:05:44] destroys the theory of evolution and Paul Charles Darwin has sat on the he

[00:05:50] sat on the stairs um bless him and he’s got nothing to say

[00:05:55] because the museum was created by it was built by to Richard Owen um to house the

[00:06:03] creations of God to showcase the creations of God and everything’s in its kind there there’s no galleries of

[00:06:09] intermediate fossils it’s um fabulous place I love it

[00:06:15] so you’re giving tours both in the British Museum and in the Natural History Museum yeah now are these are

[00:06:21] these tours endorsed by the actual museums themselves or is this something that you do and you invite people to

[00:06:28] come and then you give the tour is this something that you’re doing independently or is this something you’re doing in with collaboration with

[00:06:34] the museum um the museums have a little bit of a problem um the British museum

[00:06:40] has an enormous amount of biblical artifacts probably in the most in any

[00:06:47] Museum in the world W and so have to write scriptures on the wall because

[00:06:53] they cannot describe what they’ve got and put it on display without referencing the Bible which actually

[00:06:59] makes my job easier they also they sell lots of books because they know um that

[00:07:06] Christians go there to see the evidence so they actually sell tour guides themselves from like Clive Anderson and

[00:07:12] Brian Edwards they sell day one um books on the Bible because there’s nothing

[00:07:18] they can do and actually even though it’s a secular Museum um oh they do preach the gospel

[00:07:26] really well because they there’s nothing can do with the evidence so so yeah go

[00:07:33] ahead I was just going to say the Natural History Museum it’s it’s very different and not many um Christians

[00:07:40] would even think of going through that but both of the museums are actually financed by our tax money so they can’t

[00:07:49] keep us out or they can’t keep me out and I’m quite polite they can’t keep me out and actually what’s really

[00:07:55] interesting is I use I use an iPad and I use videos and I often um get staff

[00:08:01] asking me what I’m doing and then especially the dog that turns into the whale they just say oh it’s a very old

[00:08:10] display and yet it’s actually supposed to be the best evidence for evolution oh

[00:08:15] goodness that’s trouble well um I love it I love what you’re doing so do you

[00:08:21] how do people respond um you know you’re giving these tours and um as you’re

[00:08:27] going through the evidence give us an example of some of the evidences that kind of uh for you get excited about

[00:08:34] sharing it um because you know that the people are going to react well to what they’re learning is there any that come

[00:08:40] to your mind that you are kind of your favorite displays to talk about um I approach doing a tour in the

[00:08:48] British museum very differently from other tour guides other other tour guides and other biblical tour guides

[00:08:55] like to talk about the history of the artifact where it was found um and a little bit of how it relates to

[00:09:01] the Bible whereas I actually like to Champion the word of God and so I introduce an item say um

[00:09:11] the Rosetta Stone which has three different languages on and the Egyptian

[00:09:16] hieroglyphs couldn’t be understood until um it was deciphered by using the three

[00:09:25] languages knowing the demotic um Egyptian and the Greek they could then work out the hieroglyphs and again I

[00:09:33] point straight to um the Tower of Babel dispersion because we we we follow

[00:09:39] through with um the ancient Chinese language did

[00:09:45] you so we do look at some of the I don’t know if you’ve seen this book yes yeah I’m familiar with this so

[00:09:54] again when we’re talking about the the the Bible from Genesis to Revelation is

[00:10:00] true and we should be finding all sorts of evidence in language in genetics in

[00:10:07] everything so we get to um the North American Gallery is quite an interesting

[00:10:13] one because of how the Europeans came over the bearing

[00:10:18] strapes and that was um through an ice Bridge during the Ice Age that followed

[00:10:24] Noah’s flood there was a thousand kilometer ice Bridge that um they could

[00:10:30] walk across to get into North America and then I use a video presentation from

[00:10:38] Dr Nathaniel Jansen on um why chromosome genetic um

[00:10:45] research that takes everyone or follows the male line through to Noah’s Three

[00:10:52] Sons just four and a half thousand years ago and he’s got peer-reviewed papers so

[00:10:57] we’re using genetics we’re using um the scripture and we’re matching everything

[00:11:03] up with the displays in the um in the museum as well so you talk about

[00:11:10] creation in the British museum you talk about um so share with our listeners um

[00:11:15] so you you referenced there the Chinese language I know that um you can find a

[00:11:21] lot of the information in Genesis within the Chinese uh language pictographs um

[00:11:27] especially from the from the ancient language moving forward is that actually in the British museum also no what I do

[00:11:34] is um because I use say um I I wear an

[00:11:40] iPad so I’ll just show you my other iPad I wear an iPad um as I go around and I

[00:11:46] have um the attendees have a Whisperer set so if I’m playing extra biblical evidence

[00:11:54] like videos from Israel or any extra stuff I display it at on um the iPad and

[00:12:02] then I can play it through um so only the people um can hear the audio but it

[00:12:09] adds to the extra the extra evidence so it’s

[00:12:14] extra biblical evidence as we go around as well gotcha okay and um

[00:12:22] so so if people want to get more information about what you do I I know

[00:12:28] um you sent me this beautiful PDF that you’ve outlined with so much of the evidence inside the British museum um

[00:12:35] and you have a website biblical tours. co.uk are people able to get a copy of

[00:12:40] that PDF um I’m happy to send it to anyone because

[00:12:45] um I’ve got also a YouTube um Channel which is just biblical tours one word

[00:12:52] it’s not money um it’s not Mone monetized um but it is all of the I feel

[00:12:58] filmed the tour that I did with Joel he gave me permission and I just filmed him with my my

[00:13:05] phone and we go sort of all the places you’re not allowed to go you know the West Bank and go on heps and and

[00:13:12] everywhere and lovely places like sheum so you can actually also see on um my

[00:13:19] YouTube channel and I’m happy to send the biblical evidence to the British museum guide is very large because I was

[00:13:27] asked to put the references in um a searchable reference in by a gentleman

[00:13:34] who recently K monitor um which I did which makes it about two over 200 pages

[00:13:40] long simply because you can click on the reference it takes you straight to the biblical passage because people

[00:13:46] generally don’t know um not generally but a lot of people are not very

[00:13:52] well-versed especially with the Old Testament and um so it’s nice for them

[00:13:59] to be able to go and see um the story of Noah you you know

[00:14:04] read the chapters of Noah so that you understand that it was a global flood

[00:14:10] that has to have left evidence which we find in the Natural History Museum um

[00:14:16] and also Jonah we have in the in the British museum we have the most fabulous evidence for Jonah um I was going to ask

[00:14:24] you about that because you you mentioned in the in the email um you said that

[00:14:30] your youngest son was 10 and he saw the Nineveh Gallery in the British Museum

[00:14:36] and that um basically gave him unshakable confidence in Biblical

[00:14:42] history in the Bible um tell us a little bit about that what happened there

[00:14:47] um do you know a um a fabulous gentleman called Dr Jay Smith yes yeah I know him

[00:14:54] from his um work work with uh Muslims yes he

[00:14:59] um he did tours when he was um speaking at Speaker’s Corner which he did 25

[00:15:06] years he would also do tours in trying to take the Muslims especially the

[00:15:11] Iranians into the British museum to show them the evidence for the Bible and I

[00:15:17] was um I went on a couple of his tours and then I would advertise people to

[00:15:24] come on a J Smith tour and absolutely loved it and my son when he was my

[00:15:29] youngest son when he was 10 um in the Nineveh Gallery there’s a

[00:15:35] Nineveh gallery and um the reliefs that are on the wall now if you imagine it’s

[00:15:41] the wallpaper that sinak had in his Palace so it’s horrendous scenes of

[00:15:49] beheading and um soldiers being paid for the heads that they collect because it’s

[00:15:55] supposed to terrify you on your way to meet the king oh wow now this has been blackened by

[00:16:02] the fire that in the three chapters of the Prophet naam he actually predicts

[00:16:09] that there will be it will be burnt by fire and then flooded out so upstairs in

[00:16:14] the Mesopotamian Gallery we’ve got the chronicles of Babylon that describe how

[00:16:20] the um the river was was moved so that it would go in and actually flood the

[00:16:26] palace but also that it would be set fir to and it’s it’s very black it it’s very

[00:16:33] evident that it was set on fire and for my 10-year-old son he said um I won’t be

[00:16:40] able to remember everything I’ve seen but nothing can shake my faith now

[00:16:46] and he’s he’s now 21 and he’s um

[00:16:52] evangelizing and loves the Lord along with my other two sons and really it was

[00:16:58] when when I came to Faith and had to um find the evidence for

[00:17:05] myself creation evidence archaeological evidence because I was about 35 so I was

[00:17:12] quite old when I came to Faith um I took my three sons they went to lectures by

[00:17:19] Stuart Burgess sort of they went to all sorts of places that would be um Godly

[00:17:27] men teaching them as three sons um that the Bible is true from Genesis to

[00:17:34] Revelation and that has led all of them to a firm foundation in trusting not

[00:17:41] only in Jesus as their lord and savior but that his word is trustworthy and and

[00:17:49] true From First to Last Word because we’ve got so much evidence that just

[00:17:55] just backs it up yeah that’s Fant fantastic it’s incredible um and so so how many tours

[00:18:04] do you give you know in a day in a week uh in a month how how often do you do this um it’s quite difficult actually in

[00:18:12] the UK um

[00:18:17] because quite a lot of people don’t see the relevance in the especially the Old

[00:18:24] Testament being true or trustworthy so it’s especially a lot of the churches so

[00:18:30] it’s quite difficult to actually find people who want to to take a tour um so

[00:18:37] I actually work as a care assistant as my like bread and butter

[00:18:43] money as it were and then I do tours when I’m asked to do tours um now when I

[00:18:49] am showing people that the you can trust the Bible in all

[00:18:55] areas sometimes people have actually cherry picked their Bible and only like it a certain

[00:19:01] way so they might not actually appreciate their um way of viewing the

[00:19:09] Bible that it can be challenged by actual physical evidence that might go

[00:19:15] away go against what they have been taught and what they think themselves so

[00:19:21] it’s very Niche I’m teaching that the Bible is true yes that’s fantastic we need more

[00:19:27] people doing that um well um tell us about you know something that’s interesting on on your

[00:19:34] list of things is King King hezekiah’s mural um I know about uh you know

[00:19:39] hezekiah’s tunnel and I even know about the sarab prism tell us what is King Hezekiah mural um the one found in the

[00:19:47] palace at Nineveh oh um we have got um I’ve just got to go

[00:19:54] down onto my notes so there’s a mural what we have is they found these like

[00:20:00] giant human headed um Bull type creatures that were protecting um

[00:20:06] Nineveh and in between underneath their stomach there is uniform writing and one

[00:20:14] of them has um according to this mural srib um it describes how um King

[00:20:23] Hezekiah paid um a tribute to tribute money PID to try

[00:20:29] to pay sakri off um with a donation um and then sakb um goes away

[00:20:39] because um his ninev is being attacked by um the kushite king tahaka and then

[00:20:48] when he comes back um well what the actual mural it doesn’t

[00:20:55] say anything other than he came and he went now sakb had conquered 46 other

[00:21:03] cities of the Plains and in the previous room with there’s a very large gallery

[00:21:09] for um the city called Lees which was like a protective City

[00:21:17] before you get to um Jerusalem it should be the one that holds everyone back

[00:21:23] before you get there and that was what um Lees was what sakb actually had

[00:21:30] to make a depiction of and and we’ve got the British museum has these um reliefs

[00:21:39] in great detail really he wanted Jerusalem and so when he returns and

[00:21:44] doesn’t and doesn’t take Jerusalem um that’s always been a mystery to historians because it doesn’t

[00:21:51] make any sense why after you’ve taken 46 other cities why don’t you get Jerusalem

[00:21:59] you’ve told them you’re coming you’ve written on sb’s um he’s got um the thing

[00:22:06] called the tayor prism where he has actually written out um what he’s what

[00:22:12] he’s what he’s doing and he says he has got King Hezekiah trapped like a bird in a

[00:22:17] cage which is pretty convincing that you going to take Jerusalem as easy as

[00:22:23] you’ve done the other 46 cities yeah now it’s only the Bible that tells us what

[00:22:30] actually happened so the reference in the Bible is

[00:22:35] um that um 2 Kings 1930 uh 2 Kings 19 2 Kings

[00:22:43] 35-36 according to the Bible in the middle of the night the angel of the Lord came down and destroyed

[00:22:50] 185,000 of sakib’s men therefore he had no choice but to return to Assyria and

[00:22:57] embarrassed and unable to explain what happened but these facts aren’t find on

[00:23:02] the mural as the murals are are like bragging accounts um now the historians they have

[00:23:09] a dilemma and um so what they said and one of them actually the explanations

[00:23:16] they give is one of them was actually by the historian Herodotus is that um mice

[00:23:22] ate the weapons one had one explan was that

[00:23:28] there was a very local plague and on doing the research there was no plague rats at that time in in Israel and that

[00:23:39] the other only other explanation would that mice would be eating because they were using slings and bows and arrows

[00:23:45] but that didn’t account for the swords The Siege engines and the everything else but the um secular historians just

[00:23:54] don’t know what to make of it we only find the truth and as recorded in the Bible and when we know how um the angel

[00:24:02] of the Lord or the um um when Egypt just before you know Egypt was um sorry

[00:24:09] Israelites were coming out of Egypt and the final judgment was going to be the

[00:24:15] death of the plague was going to be the death of the first sons of firstborn Sons we again see

[00:24:23] um uh the similar scenario of God using the same type of

[00:24:29] actions twice in the Bible yeah it’s incredible

[00:24:35] um I think it’s so amazing that more people don’t know about these things and that like you said you know for your son

[00:24:42] that’s all he needed to see and he was like whoa this is true right and um I I

[00:24:48] run into this all the time because I speak quite a bit on the archaeology um that confirms the Bible also and uh it’s

[00:24:56] just astonishing um so one another one that I thought was really interesting is number 44 you have

[00:25:02] on here where you talk about um the ancient Levant gallery and the

[00:25:08] archaeological evidence from Jericho in Israel um you know the story of Jericho where the walls fall out and they that

[00:25:14] it’s such a famous Bible Story and there’s actual evidence uh that you know

[00:25:20] this is a real event that actually happened can you share a little bit with us about that from um the evidence in

[00:25:27] the British British museum for um Jericho um again I’m using things as

[00:25:34] kind of like signposts so the section on Jericho it has a um a

[00:25:42] grave cave if that makes sense um that Kathleen

[00:25:47] Kenyan um who is an archaeologist who actually dug at Jericho um she also

[00:25:55] excavated this um this cave that is used there so I just

[00:26:00] used that to springboard and show the evidence because I visited Jericho um

[00:26:06] with Joel with Joel Kramer and so um we’ve got pictures from Kenyan um

[00:26:13] northern B and trench one we’ve got photographs of or I show photographs

[00:26:18] that I’ve actually taken of the the burn destruction layer that you find it

[00:26:24] wherever Joshua went if he fired a city go down and you find the burn

[00:26:29] destruction left by Joshua and the archaeologists know that when they go down like Lees has got one um but again

[00:26:38] everything that so um the evidence from kenyon’s um own work shows that the um

[00:26:47] the retaining wall that had on it um a another wall that held the the city in a

[00:26:55] red brick wall that they actually fell to the outside and made a ramp so just

[00:27:00] as it says in um Joshua they then went up the ramp into the City and that’s

[00:27:07] exactly what they found um one of the problems is again is

[00:27:13] um if it’s date sensitive so when Kathleen Kenyan was was actually digging

[00:27:20] there you had to actually get permission to dig probably from the um less favorable people that would want you to

[00:27:28] find sort of biblical attesting evidence but um the

[00:27:35] description that um the um the people of Jericho they they

[00:27:41] brought in their grain um because the Israelites were were having um Passover

[00:27:50] means that we’ve actually got pictures of the burnt grain and because God told

[00:27:56] them not to take any anything um out of there um apart from so um the Lord

[00:28:03] called the city a cursed so only the silver gold vessels of brass and iron were to be consecrated to the Lord and

[00:28:10] they burnt the city and all that was therein if it was someone else that was

[00:28:15] destroying Jericho they would have taken the Grain and they certainly wouldn’t have let them um bring in their Harvest

[00:28:22] because if you’re trying to starve people out you you come in the spring you you come to Siege um a city when

[00:28:30] they’re just about to run out of food yeah wow and so I can show the

[00:28:36] actual evidence of having been there myself and seen it for myself that’s amazing so um for those of

[00:28:45] you listening my guest today is Jill Baker and she is a tour guide in the British museum in London as well as a

[00:28:52] tour guide in the natural uh uh Natural History Museum there um in uh Britain so

[00:28:59] so she’s giving these tours and showing all the evidence for uh Biblical history

[00:29:04] this is biblical tours. co.uk um you can check that out she also has a a huge PDF she can send to you

[00:29:12] that has photos and descriptions and shows where in the Bible this is this is a fantastic uh resource if you want to

[00:29:20] lead a small group or a bible study on this or you even want to speak at a church about it all kinds of incredible

[00:29:26] um evidence here for the truth of the Bible um another one here this is I know we’re hopping all over the place here

[00:29:32] but I think this is interesting the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar’s inscribed a brick um showing the

[00:29:39] evidence that Babylon the the dates that Daniel describes or that represent

[00:29:45] Daniel’s time in Babylon um this is evidence that this really did happen also can you speak a little bit about

[00:29:52] that yes so it’s um there are a couple of galleries downstairs there’s the

[00:29:58] enlightenment Gallery which is um set in

[00:30:03] the style of when it was first built as a Victorian Museum and they’ve got a little bit of everything in there and so

[00:30:10] they have got um several of Nebuchadnezzar’s bricks because being a very proud man he wrote his name on all

[00:30:18] the bricks so he didn’t he get in trouble for that by God he got a he had to go

[00:30:25] crawling around for a while uh I remember he did and then he writes chapter three doesn’t he bless him um

[00:30:32] yes it is it is and then upstairs in the Mesopotamian Gallery uh which is one of

[00:30:38] the most extraordinary galleries because um another thing that we can do with the

[00:30:43] evidence in the museum is actually look at the evidence for particular books so

[00:30:49] Nebuchadnezzar’s forgotten dream you can follow um sort of the head

[00:30:55] of gold which was Nebuchadnezzar then you’ve got the shoulders of um silver

[00:31:01] um um and chest of Silvera which is the mes and persans which is Cyrus Darius

[00:31:07] the me and Cyrus the Great and then we’ve also got Alexander the Great following on and then the Romans and yet

[00:31:15] it’s um some particular evidence that was found um in the ziggurat of er that

[00:31:21] proves that Daniel was written at in the sixth Century not um at a different time

[00:31:29] writing back which is which is what a um some people try and suggest because

[00:31:36] they do not like prophecy that Daniel would be able to be speaking hundreds of years in

[00:31:42] advance so we can actually show just like we were talking about King Hezekiah

[00:31:50] so at the time that King Hezekiah was in Jerusalem we have Isaiah there and I

[00:31:56] show evidence of the Isaiah bullah and the Hezekiah bullah that have been found

[00:32:01] by archaeologists close to each other in the city of David so we we we know that

[00:32:08] um these two people are at the same time and yet we also when we get up to um the

[00:32:15] Persian gallery and we see the fabulous Cyrus cylinder and then we see that um why did

[00:32:23] Cyrus let the Jewish people the Israelites gave them permission to

[00:32:28] anyone to go home um and to um rebuild

[00:32:34] the Temple and the city walls and take all of the temple Goods that had been stolen or by Nebuchadnezzar and we read

[00:32:42] this in Nehemiah um and in Ezra 1 because Ezra one is is written U by King

[00:32:48] Cyrus and if we read Isaiah 45 and

[00:32:53] 46 Isaiah writes to Cyrus by name

[00:32:58] I think it’s I think it’s around 124 years beforehand so we can show the prophecy

[00:33:07] written by Isaiah who we can see is downstairs with King Hezekiah in like 701 BC and then we’re upstairs with um

[00:33:15] King Cyrus who’s also fulfilling the um order of Nebuchadnezzar’s forgotten

[00:33:22] dream and we can see how Isaiah and Daniel work

[00:33:28] together perfectly in how God brings about um just the Majesty of his word

[00:33:37] just it’s just um wonderful to see uh it it gives me boo Goosebumps when you see

[00:33:45] that just hidden under the ground or we have these wonderful bits of evidence

[00:33:52] that um prove the Bible is it’s authentically written by the

[00:33:59] eyewitnesses at the time which were the prophets the Kings the enemies of God um

[00:34:06] just confirm it true from Genesis to Revelation it’s it’s the most fantastic place of I I just think that God has

[00:34:16] purposely um saved everything in the British museum it’s like his treasure

[00:34:22] Storehouse and it’s free for people to to go and see for themselves

[00:34:27] if they want to to go themselves I love it um so do they I know a lot of M

[00:34:35] museums rotate um you know different displays and these sorts of things does

[00:34:41] the British museum you know have like a basement that they keep stuff in and then they bring out stuff that hasn’t

[00:34:46] been out for a while how does that all work um generally I mean the basement must be

[00:34:53] a most fantastic place because it’s got so much stuff that never sees the light of day yeah they generally because of

[00:35:01] the way the museum is set up everything stays in place unless there is an

[00:35:06] exhibition going on somewhere sometimes there’ll be an exhibition in the museum

[00:35:11] itself um which are always fabulous because they bring the artifacts from museums across the world and put them on

[00:35:19] display for you to go and to go and see but generally um they do close the

[00:35:26] gallery is randomly sometimes they might not have enough

[00:35:31] staff um to to be or sometimes if it’s been heavily raining the roof leaks oh no

[00:35:41] building um so we have the ability to change route um on a tour just in case a

[00:35:48] certain Gallery uh is closed um though generally the stuff is is

[00:35:56] always way where it is generally I was taking a class um on archaeology in the

[00:36:02] Bible and I asked the professor at the time I said because he was talking about all these discoveries that have been

[00:36:07] found and how much stuff has been found and dug up and I said uh how how much is

[00:36:12] there that you know isn’t either read like people don’t read it or what because he was saying you know there’s not a lot of people that can read for

[00:36:19] example CA form and and different old languages and and he said um he said we

[00:36:24] have warehouses full of stuff that nobody has ever been able to really look

[00:36:30] into and uh that just uh kind of made me sad I was like what else is out there

[00:36:36] that confirms the truth of the Bible because um we keep finding stuff again and again again that shows that for

[00:36:42] example like you said Isaiah is a real historical figure um King David is a real historical figure and and uh so I

[00:36:49] just think it’s so encouraging to hear what you’re what you’re sharing and um

[00:36:54] and just like it affected your faith and affected my faith and your your kids faith I just feel like um if more people

[00:36:59] knew about this you know they would give the Bible a second thought and say wait a second maybe I need to look into this

[00:37:05] a little further um and it is it’s quite

[00:37:10] confronting because people have preconceived ideas or they have been

[00:37:15] told that oh this is an allegory or this is a story but the people who are saying

[00:37:21] it’s an allegory or story need to understand that when there’s evidence

[00:37:27] that disprove them then they’re not being faithful and

[00:37:32] they will have to give an account so you really need to have searched everywhere to make sure that there is no evidence

[00:37:40] that disproves the word of God before you say that something is an

[00:37:47] allegory you know and I I think with the with the Jonah evidence which um I found

[00:37:54] quite amazing and I just love love taking taking that is that

[00:37:59] um there um are a certain a massive type of carp

[00:38:07] that I’ve only seen referenced in the British museum a giant carp that was in

[00:38:12] The Tigress River and there were these wise men these aulo Who would wear the

[00:38:20] fish skinned cloaks so the head of the fish is they hair wear like a might like

[00:38:27] Deon and the fish the back of the fish goes down as a cloak and in the actual

[00:38:34] um Museum it gives a description of these and it says how um I’m just trying

[00:38:41] to find my reference I’ve got it yeah I’ve got it here on number

[00:38:46] 24 on page 16 oh is it is it I thought it was on a

[00:38:51] bit further hang on a sec I’m up in the Mesopotamian have I got got the um hang

[00:38:57] on a second sorry about this um it’s okay does say that um yeah I have gone too

[00:39:05] far you’re probably right um it does say that wisdom would come from God through

[00:39:13] uh people wearing or or from what appears to be like um people

[00:39:20] in from a fish now what happened was was when the um assy when they were

[00:39:27] conquering um different people groups they would take the people back with

[00:39:33] them and the people would bring their own Gods with them so um yes so the fish

[00:39:39] cloak sages in order to protect a house hold Figures were buried beneath the

[00:39:44] floor in groups of seven these examples represent Appo or wise men dressed in

[00:39:50] fish skin cloak sent by the god EA to impart knowledge to humans for cultic

[00:39:56] purposes priests wore such cloaks made from a giant species of carp living in

[00:40:02] the river Tigress now if you go into the Natural History Museum um in one of the

[00:40:08] galleries upstairs they have a massive fish and the description for the fish is

[00:40:15] that in one of the fishes fossil fishes that they’ve got um it has a four foot

[00:40:21] fish in it that must have been swallowed whole so um if you had local knowledge

[00:40:29] of the day of Nineveh of the day you would see that God had primed Nineveh

[00:40:36] perfectly so when a very angry Jonah was thrown up onto the shores of The Tigress

[00:40:43] River and he was angry and he walked across Nineveh going in 40 days you are

[00:40:51] getting judged they everyone repented they put sackcloth on the cow

[00:40:57] and if you see how the sovereignty of God has preprimed

[00:41:03] for us it makes no no sense at all in in today we just don’t understand it today

[00:41:08] but in that time you can understand why um um they were so Keen to repent God

[00:41:16] absolutely that that that’s that’s so and context is everything there’s so many things like that in the Bible

[00:41:22] people have questions about it why would they do this why would they do that you know all these things but once you dig

[00:41:27] into it and you start looking into the context of what was happening at the time all of a sudden all the puzzle

[00:41:32] pieces just come together I can only imagine you know he Jonah gets you know thrown up on the beach by this fish

[00:41:38] maybe there were some people actually fishing there saw this happen and were like we saw him come out of a fish and

[00:41:45] they’re like following him right and you have a bunch of ninevites following him through through the city as he’s telling

[00:41:51] this and they’re like yeah we saw him you know and so uh like you said that’s God’s sovereignty and that that’s his

[00:41:58] care for people too because he knows where people are at and um I always find that story of Jonah so funny where where

[00:42:05] he’s like God I knew you were a merciful god that’s why I didn’t want to tell him

[00:42:10] you I knew you would forgive him and and he’s like I wanted you to you know strike them down and God’s like are you

[00:42:16] kidding there’s over you know what did he say 200,000 people who who don’t know

[00:42:21] their left hand from their right uh and and animals too he even says and and should I not care about them and uh

[00:42:28] that’s just the heart of God you know so that’s so wonderful and if you think that Jonah I mean Jesus references Jonah

[00:42:36] you know when he’s describing his own um death and Resurrection it’s on the basis

[00:42:42] that the only sign you’re going to get is Jonah and if you imagine that Jonah

[00:42:47] because it does describe that he dies or the description that he gives when he’s

[00:42:52] been in a fish for three days do you not not think that stomach acid has bleached

[00:42:58] him white he stinks he looks like he’s being in a fish the smell itself which

[00:43:05] and he’s he’s happy he yeah he must have been a sight

[00:43:10] man that must have been been a rough uh rough ride there but I I’d love to meet

[00:43:16] him and and again this is one of the things that I always think when people

[00:43:23] um are not paying enough attention to the Old Testament and they are born again

[00:43:30] Believers they’re going to meet these people and they need to recognize them they need to know who they are yeah the

[00:43:38] oldest the Old Testament is critical it’s absolutely critical um you can’t really understand the New Testament

[00:43:44] without the Old Testament because these guys are constantly referencing the Old Testament and otherwise you’re like what

[00:43:50] in the world is this guy talking about why why does he saying these random things but if you really study the Old

[00:43:55] Testament you know know that there’s so much that’s predicted which validates what happens in the New Testament

[00:44:01] because it was predicted in the Old Testament and these guys knew that and that’s what they’re referencing and so all of a sudden everything makes sense

[00:44:07] when when you really take the Bible at its word rather than saying oh it’s just you know it’s just a self-help book you

[00:44:12] know to to you know help us out of a tough time or whatever no it’s it you

[00:44:18] know it does help us and does encourage us but reality is it’s real history it’s it’s truly exciting when you when you

[00:44:26] see um I had the privilege of of going to um King ahab’s Ivory Palace which

[00:44:33] which again according to Micah would be destroyed and has been destroyed but it

[00:44:39] is just incredible when you’re standing there and you read about Jezebel looking out of the window as um judgment is

[00:44:47] heading her way and they can recognize King juu by his terrible

[00:44:54] driving and and the topography when you stand at the edge of the palace and

[00:45:00] you’ve got everything falls away and You Can See For Miles omry chose that site because it

[00:45:08] would be impenetrable you could see from a long distance and it’s just it’s you

[00:45:14] read the scriptures and you see and then the ivories from the ivory Palace we

[00:45:19] have in a lot of the museums around the world we’ve got them in the in the the British museum itself so the smallest

[00:45:27] details are just um just quite amazing to see and

[00:45:34] we’re not scratching the surface it’s only about 1% of Israel that has actually been um dug up because it’s so

[00:45:41] difficult get Hermits and especially the Israel Jerusalem itself that is very

[00:45:49] difficult but what an ex the Bible the best most exciting Adventure you can do

[00:45:55] is is to study from the first word to the last word and then check out for yourselves in your local museums it’s

[00:46:03] not just the British museum it’s the Natural History Museum we can prove um

[00:46:09] that God um Jesus said everything was created by Him and for him and without

[00:46:14] him nothing was made that was made and it’s a delight to prove him right again

[00:46:20] and again and again oh well that’s so wonderful uh Jill I really appreciate

[00:46:26] your ministry and what you’re doing and and um you know if you’re listening and this strikes a chord with you and you

[00:46:32] want to support her and what she’s doing um you know this is really missionary work you know a lot of times we we think

[00:46:38] of missionary work as you know being out in a country you know that’s more uh

[00:46:44] primitive or whatever the the case maybe a third world country whatever the case but uh Mission work is happening all

[00:46:50] over the world um and this is a Jill is really a missionary so if you would like

[00:46:56] to support her and get in touch with her and uh uh encourage her biblical tours.

[00:47:02] co.uk that’s biblical tours. co.uk um she’s also a part of the International Association for creation

[00:47:09] and um and look her up and if you’re in London and you want to get a tour of the

[00:47:14] museum this is a a fantastic person to connect with um just her wealth of

[00:47:20] knowledge and everything she’s doing so Jill thank you so much for being with us today it’s a real pleasure and I know

[00:47:26] you’re you’re what is it almost 2 a.m. now over in London uh yeah 10 to two um

[00:47:33] can I say that you can take photographs

[00:47:38] of the evidence and then use the same evidence for street preaching because

[00:47:44] you take the biblical evidence from the museums you take it into the street and

[00:47:49] people will stop and stare and they will take photographs because they don’t hear this in the churches and they and when

[00:47:56] you take evidence to people who say but there is no evidence and you just need an easel some photographs and some

[00:48:03] magnets and an amplifier and you can um

[00:48:09] really reach out to the lost with the gospel with proof I love that I’m gonna do that did you um do you actually do

[00:48:17] that yes in Windor wow and people really respond well huh

[00:48:24] um the men and I hate to pick on the men but the men are very much they want

[00:48:31] scientific evidence so when you start talking about like the James web telescope that is finding galaxies where

[00:48:38] they’re not allowed to be because it destroys the Big Bang Yeah or you give evidence for the um fossil evidence for

[00:48:47] Lucy and you show um that a power tool was CH used to change a chimpanzee hip

[00:48:54] to be in the shape of a human hip and that’s the only evidence they’ve got men often stand and are in disbelief

[00:49:01] especially as I shouldn’t know anything well you know a ton that’s for

[00:49:08] sure so um Jill thank you again um this is a huge pleasure and uh hopefully I

[00:49:14] can make it over there sometime and and get a tour from you that’d be a big blessing I would love that Kevin thank

[00:49:19] you so much thank you absolutely I hope you enjoyed the show this evening uh we

[00:49:25] do have some fantastic shows coming up we have Russ humph Dr Russ humph we’re going to be talking about how do they

[00:49:31] actually date the age of the Earth um with him uh he’s he’s got all kinds of

[00:49:36] incredible scientific evidence that uh shows that the Bible is accurate when it

[00:49:42] talks about the age of the Earth we also have coming up um Don blly with at the well Ministries who does who visits

[00:49:49] college campuses and shares the gospel and helps people um change their minds

[00:49:55] about the issue of abortion uh he’s been doing this for a long time and has had

[00:50:00] incredible um success and um all kinds of Amazing Stories and then we have Dr

[00:50:06] Tim Clary who’s going to be with us talking about the progression of the flood so how did it start and what

[00:50:13] happened all the way through up to to to and including the Ice Age so that’s going to be really incredible also he’s

[00:50:19] with the institute for creation research so some great shows and uh I look forward to being with you next time time

[00:50:26] um remember what the Bible says in Philippians whatever is good whatever is pure whatever is Holy think on these

[00:50:31] things you know it’s easy to get discouraged when we look around us and sometimes things look Bleak but God is

[00:50:37] never out of control he’s not the god of Doom and Gloom he’s the god of Hope Redemption restoration and he does it

[00:50:43] all day long every day so I uh encourage you just to keep your focus on God despite what’s going on on around us or

[00:50:50] maybe the trials that are happening in your life thank you again for being with us and we’ll see you again next week

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