How Similar Are Chimpanzee & Human DNA with Helmut Welke

[00:00:00] thanks for being here today my name is Kevin Conover you’re listening to educate for Life radio and we’re broadcasting down here in Southern

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[00:00:27] creation and evolution as well as what’s happening with uh in politics and government all from a Christian

[00:00:33] perspective the goal is to have a Biblical world view I have a Christian apologetics class that I teach every

[00:00:41] year I’m a 12th grade Bible teacher apologetics teacher down here in Southern California at Christian High

[00:00:47] School and Shadow Mountain Community Church and there’s all kinds of resources on my website

[00:00:52] advocateforlife.org you can check those out our guest today is the president and founder of the Quad City creation

[00:00:58] science Association Mr helmet well he’s a retired engineering manager he’s

[00:01:03] worked in a variety of U.S and international assignments with a Fortune 100 company in 2006 he was elected to

[00:01:08] the Board of Trustees of an international Society serving the industrial and systems engineering profession he holds the U.S patent and

[00:01:16] uh he has a bachelor’s and master’s degree in industrial engineering from the University of Illinois at Urbana in

[00:01:23] 2012 he was elected a fellow of The Institute of industrial engineers and he’s a creation a member of the creation

[00:01:29] research society and an ambassador for Logos research Associates and we’re

[00:01:34] going to be talking today about specifically the claim that because

[00:01:39] there is a similarity between the chimp genome and the human genome uh there’s

[00:01:45] this claim that this means that we’re related that that we have the same

[00:01:50] Origins and so we just are going to talk in detail about that and uh Mr Welk

[00:01:56] thank you so much for being on the show today hey happy to be here Kevin nice to meet you yeah you too and uh and this is

[00:02:04] great because you’ve got a slideshow for us so that’s really um helps a lot I know I’m a really

[00:02:09] visual person right they say a picture’s worth a thousand words so um talk to us about this uh help us

[00:02:17] understand what is the claim from those who you know teach Evolution and and

[00:02:22] believe that evolution is reality what’s the claim in relation to human and chimp

[00:02:27] DNA well the belief has been for ever since Darwin for well over 100 years that we

[00:02:34] came from chimps because our basic anatomy is very similar we eat

[00:02:40] the same food they’re made of the same proteins that we evolved from ape since they kind of look like us and they do have two

[00:02:47] eyes and nose a mouth two legs two arms and so on uh and so you know we can teach them to

[00:02:53] do tricks where uh you know their various shows that I I have seen people

[00:02:59] just because they can do these tricks and then get a banana they uh they they can act like humans and so we must have

[00:03:06] evolved from them well there’s a lot of questions like that like why aren’t there any transitional forms even alive

[00:03:11] today and we’ll mention the fossils briefly but mostly we’re going to go into the claim that we’re our DNA is

[00:03:18] 98.8 percent the same and I think we’ve all heard that I know I’ve heard it for

[00:03:23] well over 30 years yeah it seems like uh this is just assumed and and I’ve always wondered

[00:03:30] about that because um you know the question I think comes immediately to mind is

[00:03:35] you know how are we similar and um are there other creatures that were

[00:03:40] also similar to so does this actually uh you know carry on into other

[00:03:46] relationships if we were to say for example that uh lizards evolved into

[00:03:51] Birds uh are is there similarities between lizard uh DNA and bird DNA and

[00:03:58] you know how far do you carry that is that actual science or is this just a a claim we uh I imagine there’s some

[00:04:05] claims but we got to remember but most animals we have not sequenced their DNA we don’t have it the human genome has

[00:04:13] been sequenced we have that pretty pretty well in hand now but that’s

[00:04:19] because there’s a lot of money paying scientists or funding their research to

[00:04:24] get into that because it could help with human diseases new drugs and various uh

[00:04:30] things and and helps with our diseases so there’s money there so people are

[00:04:35] willing to funded there isn’t nearly as much money funding mapping of the ape

[00:04:41] and chimpanzee genomes let alone all the other animals and that actually pays plays into this

[00:04:49] whole story so the chimp genome has not been completely mapped like the human genome not completely as of today even

[00:04:57] now some people will say they have it but let’s get into this question okay sure I think we can do that

[00:05:04] uh first you know I’d like to go back a little bit because the big claim was

[00:05:10] that we did come from apes it looked similar and that they were finding all kinds of transitional forms you know

[00:05:16] different types of Bones and they said well this is a transitional form between ape and human and you know this is a

[00:05:23] real old this is in the middle this is something else so on this screen and I have a whole talk that goes through all

[00:05:29] these bones uh well we’ve had claims you know piltdown man was a fraud but it influenced

[00:05:36] scientists and the public for 50 years that this claim was true and then in the

[00:05:42] 1950s we found out it was complete fraud and people today will admit it and

[00:05:49] there’s some other crazy things that went hot went on in the first half of the 20th century that convinced

[00:05:55] generations of scientists generations of people yeah we came from apes

[00:06:04] man was was faked because there were some people who knew Darwin was looking for evidence that we came from apes and

[00:06:12] um in the early 1900s somebody dug up a couple of fossils together and one

[00:06:18] looked like the um the part of the a brain a bone from the

[00:06:24] skull that looked human and then there was also a jaw that looked monkey-like

[00:06:31] and they found it put it together and say hey look this is a transitional form well then they found out later that the

[00:06:37] teeth had been filed by an iron file 50 years later

[00:06:43] so did that mean tilt down man went to the pilt down dentist to have some dental work done I don’t

[00:06:49] think so but uh it was fraud they took a known monkey fossil or chop Jawbone

[00:06:56] filed it down a little bit put some acid on it maybe who knows what else to make it look old and then they dug up a 600

[00:07:04] year old grave in England took a piece of the human skull took those two things

[00:07:10] and went and buried them and then I don’t know the whole story but somebody said hey go look over here we might find

[00:07:15] some evidence for Darwin’s story and oh yeah here it is 50 years we thought it

[00:07:21] was proof and some of these other things everybody’s heard of Neanderthals for example or Heidelberg man those have

[00:07:27] been shown to be fully human and then we’ve got others like habilis the Lucy fossil uh spend a

[00:07:34] lot of time on that in this other talk sadiba and then also Artie and Ida they’re all been shown to be fully Apes

[00:07:41] nothing in between there never were any ape men especially about according to the bones they were

[00:07:48] either fully human and Neanderthals are fully human they were a tribe of humans lived during

[00:07:53] the Ice Age in caves and they intermarried with other human tribes

[00:07:59] but an apostle the fossil Ida actually was very recently actually I I remember

[00:08:04] Google even posted it on their home page as that was big yeah I was huge I had

[00:08:09] people look at the actual fossil I I yeah and it doesn’t look human in

[00:08:14] any sense oh no it’s uh it’s a beautiful fossil no doubt about it you could see the the fur on its outer skin you could

[00:08:22] see uh hands and feet that are and the feet have thumbs on their feet uh a long

[00:08:29] tail and it’s the same size and looks exactly like a lermer a lemur or however

[00:08:34] you want to pronounce it that you can find in zoos today yeah it’s just been squished down to the size of it

[00:08:40] thin very thin fossil so it never was it’s just a story that people have said

[00:08:45] but so the point here is this whole evolutionary tree at least from the bones has been in

[00:08:52] shambles now for decades I took this picture more than 10 years ago from in

[00:08:57] the Chicago Museum of Natural History their evolving Planet exhibit and it’s untouched they showed this picture with

[00:09:06] the red line through it and it says the hominid species did not evolve in a single direct progression from apes

[00:09:13] that’s an unedited photo from a major American Museum wow the public doesn’t

[00:09:19] always notice that oh yeah in fact a professor from the Max Planck

[00:09:26] Institute in Germany he said the once popular Fresco showing a single file of

[00:09:31] marching hominids becoming ever more vertical tall and hairless now appears to be fiction wow and that was a nature

[00:09:39] magazine a major scientific magazine and then a professor wood said

[00:09:47] this our progress from ape to human looks so smooth so tidy it’s such a

[00:09:52] beguiling image that even the experts are loved to Let It Go but it is an illusion

[00:09:58] it’s an illusion so if this is never true so so helmet if this is true that

[00:10:05] that they’re saying this is all an illusion what are they still holding on to from the fossil record that supports

[00:10:13] Evolution because that’s really the from from a fossil perspective that really is the foundation of the claims

[00:10:19] of evolution and the reason I think this is an important topic is that one of the

[00:10:25] top reasons that young people give for leaving the church because they think evolution is proven especially

[00:10:32] that we came from apes and if we came from apes that must mean the Bible is not true but it’s an illusion that we

[00:10:39] came from apes and in fact by the Year 2007 this was being recognized but it

[00:10:45] wasn’t really well known until they had something else and in this article you

[00:10:50] could see that they admit the fossils never resolved when a lineage is split

[00:10:55] but DNA might and then it says human DNA chimp DNA

[00:11:01] differ by no more than 1.2 percent and that’s what they’ve been hanging on at least the experts in the know who know

[00:11:08] the bones don’t do this now that’s been hoping DNA will that’s dated 2007.

[00:11:13] that’s not that long ago when did they first come up with the idea that human

[00:11:19] and chimp DNA were 98 the same when did that first start coming out I think in

[00:11:24] the late 90s but there was a study done that they were this close from uh let’s

[00:11:31] see I don’t I didn’t keep that slide but the I think in the early 2000s they started

[00:11:38] they published the first try at a mapping of the chimp genome

[00:11:44] and they did a little sample they basically cherry-picked portion of

[00:11:50] chimp DNA and a portion of human DNA that they already knew were similar that

[00:11:55] coded for proteins that we both need because we eat the same types of foods

[00:12:01] and then they said voila there’s that number let me show you uh

[00:12:07] there’s such a big driver in the back of evolutionist Minds that they know we

[00:12:12] came from apes okay the we don’t have the proof yet from the bone in fact it’s been getting worse and worse

[00:12:19] but the DNA and that’s where they tongue on this number and they needed to be small difference because you even with

[00:12:27] natural with the mutations and natural selection you’re never going to be able to account for much more than two

[00:12:33] percent maximum over six million years or so to change

[00:12:39] our DNA and change it and get it established in the population that’s what you need not just a few mutations

[00:12:46] but it’s got to be established in the majority population and that takes a lot of time so so I just want to um just

[00:12:54] re-emphasize the point you just made you’re saying that you can’t have too much differences between human and chimp

[00:13:01] DNA because the time required to make those changes

[00:13:07] um is so great that if it were any more than two percent you literally wouldn’t have the time to be able to to get it

[00:13:14] done is that what you’re saying yes and I’ll show you a study that proves that

[00:13:20] so here’s here’s with my early point they were starting the the human genome wasn’t even mapped until 2001 was in

[00:13:27] 2005 in the following years that they said they had the chimp genome mapped but they really didn’t what they did is

[00:13:34] they because they believed they went on the Assumption and as an engineer he always look at somebody’s assumptions

[00:13:41] when they’re writing a report and then you decide okay how good are these assumptions or not well they began with

[00:13:47] the assumption that we do come from apes therefore the human genome must be similar and they used it as a scaffold

[00:13:54] to start mapping the chimp and that’s where you get into big trouble plus the labs that they were

[00:14:01] doing the chimp sequencing it’s just hard to do this and not have human DNA

[00:14:06] contamination because who’s running the lab humans who’s handling the samples humans

[00:14:12] and the chip DNA is still incomplete we don’t have all their chromosomes mapped some are further along than others

[00:14:19] and those who have are very different from the human interesting how much of the human of the

[00:14:27] chimp DNA is mapped so far I don’t have a number for you but I would guess it’s

[00:14:32] less than 50 percent the rest of it they just assume is the same as human and use that as an as a filler

[00:14:39] until they actually get some sequencing from the chimp wow a couple chromosomes

[00:14:45] including the the male Y chromosome have been mapped and the differences are

[00:14:51] astoundingly great so just to back this point up the little

[00:14:57] known fact of of this uh chimp DNA sequencing was accomplished by taking small Snippets of DNA produced after

[00:15:04] sequencing but then lining them up on the human genome the human genome because of the

[00:15:10] Assumption guided researchers throughout the gym genome assembly process and that

[00:15:16] contamination issue is still very big in most of the chromosomes so they’re basically begging the question it’s

[00:15:22] circular reasoning they’re actually using the human genome to try to manufacture what they think the chimp

[00:15:28] genome is and so of course it’s going to end up looking similar if you’re trying to base the chimp genome off of the

[00:15:35] human genome is that what you’re saying yeah yeah good point so back in even 2006 you know Time

[00:15:43] Magazine had this undercover chimps and Newman’s share almost 99 percent

[00:15:48] and in 2012 there were still articles out there that said ever since we

[00:15:54] sequenced a chip genome in 2005 no we really didn’t but then it says they have known humans

[00:16:01] share about 99 of DNA with chimpanzees again like you said that was circular

[00:16:07] reasoning we began with human DNA started putting in some of the difference and this is not easy you know just to be fair it’s not easy to

[00:16:13] sequence DNA it’s it’s really based on a whole series of chemical tests and

[00:16:19] watching the reactions and seeing what happens that we can begin to do it basically you know small piece of a gene

[00:16:26] by Gene and a little bit more you never can get it’s not like sitting down and reading a computer program

[00:16:33] it’s totally totally uh multiple steps involved

[00:16:39] it’s interesting but here’s the other thing when they publish that number

[00:16:44] they looked at only 97 genes they cherry-picked 97 genes from the

[00:16:50] chimp 97 from the human and then you know made some assumptions and then

[00:16:56] calculated a quick percent difference out of how many genes well the current

[00:17:01] count is 20 000 genes at code for proteins and at least that many of what

[00:17:07] we call non-coding genes but play a very important role they’re controlling genes

[00:17:12] that control other genes so that’s very obviously going to be important so it’s a tiny sample they basically ignored 96

[00:17:19] of the genome when they came up with that 98.8 number wow that is so uh

[00:17:25] dishonest that’s unbelievable well what happens is you know the researchers you

[00:17:30] know they published their findings as good as they can at that point in time and in their findings they may say

[00:17:37] things like 98.8 percent of the same was the uh the same in this sample that the

[00:17:43] newspapers and the reporters even science reporters look at the headline

[00:17:48] and then just go with it 98.8 the same

[00:17:54] even though they ignored 96 percent of the Juno plus it’s very difficult to calculate a percent difference there’s

[00:18:01] something called insertions and deletions in other words a piece that’s in one but that’s not in

[00:18:07] the other one has a deleted and then like you have a whole series of codes of these letters

[00:18:13] and then suddenly there’s a in The Human Side for example there’s a whole bunch of extra letters

[00:18:19] that aren’t in the chimp side so it’s an insertion for the human or a deletion by the chimp they ignore that

[00:18:27] that’s like having a long sentence one sentence has the word not in it not and

[00:18:33] the other one is doesn’t but it’s the very same so you think they might mean totally different

[00:18:40] things with just three exactly yeah

[00:18:45] the next point is the structure of our chromosomes and chimp chromosomes is

[00:18:51] totally different so it’s very difficult you cannot just calculate a percentage difference when when the way things are

[00:18:58] put together and designed and and written out in the in the genome

[00:19:03] you cannot just calculate a percent difference because they’re they don’t line up nicely

[00:19:09] and here’s the big one chimps Apes gorillas all monkeys

[00:19:14] have 24 pairs of chromosomes humans have 23 pairs

[00:19:21] so there’s a big hint the structure is different and it’s difficult to calculate

[00:19:27] a percent difference when the structure and the sequencing in most of the genome

[00:19:32] is very different here’s what they ignored with a simple

[00:19:38] substitution like G substituted by a and the surrounding letters are the same that okay you can calculate that that

[00:19:45] was counted but here you have a g between two T’s and here you have nothing it’s deleted

[00:19:52] here that’s called an indel insertion deletion they ignored it

[00:19:58] and that makes a huge difference there is a differences that’s what’s not

[00:20:05] counted and some of these insertions between chimp and human have up to 300 base

[00:20:12] pairs 300 letters difference

[00:20:17] yeah do totally different things doesn’t it yeah and and so we have um according

[00:20:24] to my understanding we have about three what is it three billion letters in our in the human genome in our total genome

[00:20:29] yeah and and what about do chimps have the same or is that a different number I

[00:20:35] think they actually have a little bit more um but the the chromosomes are quite different requirement chromosomes are

[00:20:42] aligned differently and there’s some that are similar some that are different um so

[00:20:49] the point is the structure of the of the genome is different especially with 24 pairs versus 23.

[00:20:55] okay so just to give you uh the recognition that this is beginning to

[00:21:01] see in 2012 a leading primate evolutionist Dr Price said it is now

[00:21:07] clear that the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees is far more extensive than previously thought

[00:21:13] their genomes are not 98 or 99 difficult identical

[00:21:19] so it’s starting to get out there but the general public hasn’t heard this so that’s why I’m so excited to be on

[00:21:25] your show Kevin yeah you know I it’s it’s so important that this information gets out there I was talking to a

[00:21:31] student of mine that graduated a while back she’s at Baylor University and in

[00:21:36] her science class she told me they’re still teaching that the Miller Yuri experiment actually generated

[00:21:44] um was giving evidence that life could come from non-life and that’s been debunked uh you know ages ago and yet

[00:21:53] that’s still being taught in a university classroom by a science teacher at Baylor University I I was

[00:21:58] stunned by that and yet and and this is the same situation you have people continuing to to teach these things that

[00:22:05] are deceiving people and yet they’re they’re blatantly untrue for well over a hundred years The

[00:22:12] evolutionary theory has lived from deception half truths and nice drawings

[00:22:20] drawings that do not reflect reality yeah so a lot of what we’re doing is just getting the information out there because you know uh it’s it there’s not

[00:22:28] a lot of avenues to get it out there unless you know we’re doing stuff like this and sharing that truth so yeah that’s awesome and it is available but

[00:22:34] you really got to dig for it here’s another one a English from

[00:22:40] England uh professor at Oxford he actually did a little study a little further and just recently in 2018 and he

[00:22:47] calculated the percentage of nucleotides in the human genome that had a one-to-one exact match in the chimpanzee

[00:22:53] genome was 84.4 percent that is now a 15 difference and that is

[00:23:01] big when you compare that to three billion base pairs oh that’s huge well some others have

[00:23:08] calculated a little more like closer to 90 percent but you get away from two percent

[00:23:13] difference and The evolutionary story is over yes and can you explain why that is

[00:23:19] because that that’s huge I think a lot of people don’t connect those dots that it’s not just about the fact because

[00:23:25] somebody might say oh well 84 is still good I mean uh well you know I still

[00:23:30] feel good about that it’s still far beyond 50 percent but why is it the evolutionary story over once you get

[00:23:36] away from that two percent okay let me um other than the quick 15 times 3 billion

[00:23:42] that’s a lot of letters that have to be changed and changed very precisely yeah and uh I’ll get into that just a little

[00:23:49] bit at the end here but about the same time uh Dr Tompkins who is a Christian

[00:23:55] but he was head of the uh the genome Laboratories at Clemson University where

[00:24:01] he got his PhD and he did a separate study about the

[00:24:07] same size and he came up with close to the same number 84.4 percent identical and that’s where you can sequence it and

[00:24:15] then I talked about the structure he went on to say the 84.4 nucleotide identity of the

[00:24:22] alignments is not an indicator of overall genome similarity because it does not include the regions of the

[00:24:28] context which is continuous sections of genes that are so different they’re not

[00:24:35] alignable in other words and you get so many differences with insertions and deletions

[00:24:40] it’s very difficult to come up with an arithmetic percent difference and that

[00:24:45] 84 percent is not saying that the entire chimp genome and the entire Human Genome

[00:24:52] are 84 similar it’s saying only these very small portions of the chimp genome

[00:24:58] that we’ve tried to make you know comparisons to the human DNA

[00:25:04] are 84 percent similar is that right well we can calculate a difference yes

[00:25:10] sir he goes on and it and says the same thing a 15 DNA difference between humans

[00:25:16] and shims is a discrepancy that can’t be ignored when no more than about a one

[00:25:21] percent difference is required to make human evolution even plausible

[00:25:28] and I’ll get into that yeah that is a huge that is a gigantic uh fact right

[00:25:34] there I mean that’s that is like you said it just shuts down even the

[00:25:40] possibility yeah so remember the original number 98.8 percent those

[00:25:45] things were based on cherry-picked sections of DNA that were known to be similar they came up with that number

[00:25:53] the scientists documented where it came from but the public was never told and

[00:25:58] the reporters just went wild with the 98.8 number and that’s why it’s in our lexicon and of course even the first

[00:26:05] chimp DNA models were biased based on shortcuts believing that we are related

[00:26:11] that’s what a 98 number should come from nobody should use that number at all

[00:26:18] anymore it’s at least 10 to 15 percent plus the structural differences

[00:26:25] okay got attention to 24 sets of chromosomes humans have 23.

[00:26:31] here’s what they how they explained that because they know that’s a big problem that you know even that most average

[00:26:37] people can understand quickly what do you mean 24 and 23 that’s that’s a big difference so they came up with a story

[00:26:45] that the two of the Chimp in which are in blue chromosomes are relatively short

[00:26:51] and they said well look it matches those two can match up to the human chromosome

[00:26:57] number two in the box and somehow they merged

[00:27:03] in our evolutionary past now why only humans have that no other

[00:27:08] chimps gorillas or something in between but even then think about if you know

[00:27:14] anything about reproduction and the requirements to have our chromosomes

[00:27:19] line up at reproduction if you suddenly have a couple of them fusing

[00:27:24] that is nuts when trying to think of hereditary and getting not getting birth

[00:27:30] defects like crazy instead of a higher more complex human

[00:27:36] type but they say two gym chromosomes must have fused together into one human

[00:27:42] chromosome at some point in our history and there they are the longer human chromosome two chimp chromosomes 2A and

[00:27:49] 2B as they’ve been conveniently named this is the story The the first two blue

[00:27:55] lines are chromosomes 2A 2B somehow there has to be a fusion point where the

[00:28:01] ends of these two chromosomes come together but then there’s something else what’s called a centromere there should

[00:28:08] have been two of them if there were two chromosomes before is the other one in human chromosome two

[00:28:15] a valid question so yeah at the end of every chromosome

[00:28:21] there’s something called telomeres those are the ends they’re kind of like a con a repeating signal that goes on by the

[00:28:27] thousands to saying here’s the end coming up to the end you know it’s like the end of an escalator at the big airports

[00:28:33] moving walkway is coming to an end okay chromosome is coming to an end you know just to give a crude example but they

[00:28:41] say that somehow these telomeres at the end of chromosomes they can get tangled very rarely

[00:28:47] but somehow chimp 2A and to be Tangled and became one chromosome which is a big

[00:28:54] trick but then you gotta account for the centimeters when when the Amon Papa halves of every

[00:29:02] 23 chromosomes come together they know how to line up based on What’s called the centimeter

[00:29:08] it’s this kind of a thin point in every chromosome and each chromosome is a little different so they you know the

[00:29:14] right ones find the right ones and then they match up well we should have what’s now called

[00:29:21] two centimeters from these monkey chromosomes and then there’s one that stays dominant

[00:29:29] in human chromosome two but somehow there should be a sign that

[00:29:34] we have a cryptic or unused centromere and human chromosome too get the idea

[00:29:40] yeah well that’s the unused centimeter

[00:29:46] well the fusion site’s been studied it they actually have a proposal because they think there’s some telomere like uh

[00:29:53] letters in this chromosome two but it’s been looked at and the first

[00:29:59] big point is that is in the middle of an expressed Gene in other words it’s in

[00:30:05] the middle of a gene that’s being used that Gene had to be there from the beginning it couldn’t be the result of

[00:30:10] fusion at best it would be two genes and then should have this big telomere

[00:30:16] in the middle but the telomeres sections small sections of what looks like a

[00:30:21] telomere show up throughout our chromosomes and if it’s really telomeres from the

[00:30:26] end of chromosomes it should be huge 10 to 20 000 letters long because that’s

[00:30:32] how long telomeres can be so this thing is expressed in other words it’s necessary for you to become

[00:30:39] you hmm yeah it’s not it’s not like it’s quote uh vestigial or leftover junk DNA

[00:30:46] or something like that right exactly it’s necessary can’t be just a a a

[00:30:52] fusion site with all these telomeres that really don’t do anything it is necessary and second there’s no sign of

[00:30:59] a of long telomeres in the fusion site and also there’s 24 million base pairs

[00:31:06] missing if you put chimp DNA 2A and 2B which are so totally chromosomes and then yes a

[00:31:14] little shorter than most but if they fuse together through the ends at telomeres well then human

[00:31:22] chromosome 2 is 24 million base pairs too short

[00:31:28] so so so the question would be where did they go if during The evolutionary process

[00:31:34] you’re missing that much this is important stuff in heredity and in your

[00:31:39] development we know that all the genes are being used there’s no such thing as junk DNA you’d

[00:31:46] kill your organism if you if you all of a sudden lost 24 million base pairs the organism would die and these kinds of

[00:31:53] changes are not feasible and then the fourth point is there’s no unused second centromere site in human

[00:32:00] chromosome 2. so this whole story was a fictionalized story to try to explain

[00:32:05] the difference between humans which all have 23 pairs normally and then all apes

[00:32:12] and chimps and gorillas have 24 pairs no Fusion site it’s not scientifically

[00:32:18] possible humans could only have 23 pairs all apes and chimps has still have 24

[00:32:23] pairs okay so if anybody tells you oh that’s the reason they’re different there’s a

[00:32:28] fusion site it’s been looked at and debunked what I think a lot of people just don’t

[00:32:35] realize is they just don’t realize um how much of these claims are are not

[00:32:41] based on actual observable repeatable measurable science but they’re just like

[00:32:46] you said somebody telling a story to try to make sense of something and so a lot of people just go along with it and go

[00:32:52] oh okay that must be the case they don’t realize these are just assumptions and assertions and speculation it’s not

[00:32:59] actually real and that’s what it takes just and it doesn’t do a require a lot you just

[00:33:06] start digging a little and you start asking okay what are the assumptions here uh you know maybe they’re good

[00:33:11] assumptions but we should be told what the assumptions are because we don’t have like you said repeatable

[00:33:17] experimental uh proof they’re just kind of helping the idea

[00:33:23] along and if they would tell us that that would be so much helpful and more scientific

[00:33:30] and and the quickly the third problem is I kind of alluded to this earlier and that’s the What’s called the wait time

[00:33:38] in other words how you need to have at least 75 million letters to switched and

[00:33:45] that’s based on a five percent difference between ape and human genomes

[00:33:50] how long would Evolution take to do this if it was totally based on random

[00:33:56] mutations and natural selection picks the good ones so nowadays we can actually calculate

[00:34:03] this and this was done based on excuse me only a two and a half percent difference gives you the 75 million

[00:34:08] letters but they started small now remember what’s key

[00:34:14] is that the it’s not just a single mutation happening and then say oh yeah that’s a

[00:34:20] good one let’s pick it it’s got to become established in the population so evolutionists have this story that

[00:34:27] there was once a population of ten thousand chimp-like creatures that were

[00:34:33] becoming human and that we all evolved from them uh and so you have to have this change

[00:34:40] all of these changes become a modern human in in a large population otherwise if it

[00:34:47] did happen it could die out very quickly and that’s probably what did happen if this story was true it would die out

[00:34:52] come back die out well then suddenly two people have it oh finally a male has it and a female has it

[00:35:00] and a match and they find each other say hey you there I like your jeans yeah

[00:35:08] so so what so so just for our people who aren’t don’t know a lot about genetics

[00:35:14] just correct me if I’m wrong here but basically within that that approximately three billion letters in your genome

[00:35:22] that’s in every cell of the body there would have to be 75 million

[00:35:27] letters that were changed from that 10 000 ape-like population

[00:35:33] within that population yep within a certain time frame just to get to a

[00:35:39] normal human that we have today you’d have to have 70. that was based on a two and a half percent difference and now we

[00:35:45] know it should be been high but they had to start small and so they looked at it and finally

[00:35:52] said okay we’re gonna look at what does it take to do two letter changes that becomes established

[00:35:58] in the population and then five letter changes okay not Millions

[00:36:03] and the time it is is rigged to establish a string of 20 nucleotides

[00:36:09] that are right the right ones not just random and established in the population took an

[00:36:16] average of 84 million years to get five in a row remember they gotta

[00:36:23] be in the right sequence in the right place and established that took Bill two billion years simulation time oh my

[00:36:29] goodness and they have guessed that we Lucy you type to human took three was three to three and a half million years

[00:36:36] ago that’s what why it’s called the wait time problem

[00:36:42] this is this is crazy I mean um wait so again I just want to make

[00:36:47] sure I’m understanding you correctly so you’re we just established that if there

[00:36:53] was a two and a half percent difference between the chimp-like ancestor and a human

[00:36:58] that would be 75 million nucleotide changes letter changes in the genome and

[00:37:05] they came up that to establish just a change of five it would take two billion

[00:37:10] years yep and the program it’s a very complicated simulation

[00:37:17] program that code was given to secular Believers that we

[00:37:24] came from apes and let them examine it and they questioned this and they questioned that

[00:37:31] and then they finally had no more questions they just don’t answer because they don’t like the answer

[00:37:39] wow the most generable and they use very feasible but generous parameter settings

[00:37:45] and the wait time was consistently prohibitive to do this really in a real

[00:37:52] uh to go from really from some chimp like to become human-like would take billions it’d be all take longer than

[00:37:59] the universe is supposed to be old way more way more longer that’s five to

[00:38:06] two billion years the universe is supposedly 14 billion year or what is it yeah 14 or so billion years old so you’d

[00:38:15] get to what 35 nucleotide changes in the time the universe has existed so there’s

[00:38:21] just yeah you can’t do it wow that’s really amazing and you can Google it this is

[00:38:27] known in scientific circles who the geneticists of all kinds that do look at this it just simply called the wait time

[00:38:34] problem weight being w-a-i-t or waiting yeah yeah you just can’t get Evolution to

[00:38:41] happen quick enough in order for it to be justified along with so many other

[00:38:47] problems as well right right too many changes not enough time

[00:38:53] not even close that’s amazing um well for those of you

[00:38:59] um who have maybe just tuned in or recently tuned in my guest today is helmet Welk and um he has taken a

[00:39:06] tremendous amount of time to study these issues regarding the similarities the claims of evolutionary similarity

[00:39:12] between human and chimp DNA and whether that’s justification for believing that we originated from some chimp-like

[00:39:19] ancestor and it falls completely flat um Mr Welk if somebody wants to check

[00:39:26] out more about this information where can they go to get more information uh from this kind of stuff that you’ve

[00:39:32] you’ve been presenting but if um you want to find out more about it from me

[00:39:38] but I would ask you first this question if you start to learn a little about this what are you going to trust God’s

[00:39:44] word or man’s word which is continually changing

[00:39:49] and I do have this thumb drive I mentioned it early apparently you know just contact me at that website info or

[00:39:58] that email info at five letters q c c s a DOT o-r-g

[00:40:06] info at qccsa.org qccsa.org is our website and we’ve got a

[00:40:13] few things on there we’re a local creation group but uh I’m the founder and president and I’ve been doing a lot

[00:40:19] of speaking in the last 15 years on this so you can contact me for that thumb

[00:40:25] drive I can send you a credit card invoice by email and email and then send

[00:40:31] you the the thumb drive and you’ll get seven topics including this one a long

[00:40:36] version of the chimp DNA talk but more about Apen and the bones dinosaurs genetics origin of life and carbon 14.

[00:40:43] so that’s fantastic there we go something else you know that’s interesting that I was

[00:40:49] um I I just read this uh in an article published by creation Ministries and um

[00:40:57] it says here that the evolutionary biologists uh I’m sorry

[00:41:03] um no Dr John Alquist the scientist who first proposed that our DNA is 98

[00:41:10] similar in the 1980s retreated from this idea and even became a creationist which I

[00:41:19] thought was pretty uh interesting maybe he was so on The Cutting Edge that he was one of the first to to conclude that

[00:41:25] no this isn’t going to work and ultimately became a creationist yeah in

[00:41:30] the 1980s he probably thought he was on to something evolutionary wise but fortunately and he kept with it he kept

[00:41:38] up with the science because you know 1980s it was still very early in

[00:41:43] in in their genetic research and now we know so much more and it’s just become much more more

[00:41:51] impossible uh well um Mr Welk thank you so much for being

[00:41:56] on the program today and and uh I think I love what you’re doing and really

[00:42:02] appreciate it and uh we just have to get more people to hear this because uh when the bottom line is is there is just no

[00:42:09] way Evolution could work it’s just not going to happen Evolution has been debunked and yet

[00:42:15] science students are being taught oh it’s proven it’s proven and they may get a little snippet

[00:42:21] here and there or something that what we call microevolution or natural selection which could be real there is variation

[00:42:28] built into the genome and it does Express itself over time but

[00:42:34] all you get is species and subspecies the created kinds is probably at the

[00:42:39] family level of biological classifications and that explains why dogs foxes wolves are all related

[00:42:47] but they never turn into Eagles exactly exactly well uh thanks again for being

[00:42:55] on the program today and um uh helmet whelk you guys if you want to

[00:43:00] check out his resources you can visit Quad City creation science Association

[00:43:05] that’s qccsa is the website and Dot org and get

[00:43:11] the resources there so please check that out and spread the word because uh it’s

[00:43:17] really important um next week I’m going to be having on uh Dr Gary Bates we’re going to be

[00:43:22] talking about this whole uh Alien phenomenon that they’re they’re actually having these sessions in Congress

[00:43:28] discussing the evidence and we’re hearing from all these uh experts who are saying yes you know we we actually

[00:43:35] have seen them we’ve dialogued with aliens we have you know all this stuff

[00:43:40] so it’s pretty wild and uh he’s actually written a book called alien intrusion which discusses this phenomenon uh in

[00:43:48] great detail and there’s been a ton of research that’s been done on it I think you’ll really enjoy it so hopefully you

[00:43:53] can join us next week and uh thanks for being here we will see you next time God bless you have a great week when you

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