Learn to Effectively Share the Gospel with Kyle Peart & Flynn Huseby

[00:00:00] hey thanks for tuning in today my name is Kevin Conover I’m your host on educate for Life radio we’re broadcasting down here in Southern

[00:00:06] California on K praise 12 10 a.m and we’re also on FM 106.1 in North County

[00:00:14] um down here in Southern California and uh we did not have a hurricane people

[00:00:19] all over the country are like Oh California is having a hurricane it was definitely not a hurricane so I even got

[00:00:26] tornado warnings down here in East County San Diego and that was bizarre but no it was actually like a warm rain

[00:00:32] it was like really Pleasant so don’t worry about any of us down here in Southern California we were fine I

[00:00:39] wanted to read some quick stats we’re talking about evangelism today and um you know Barna the statistician uh the

[00:00:45] the company and and George Barna um came out with some interesting stats recently about the church and sharing

[00:00:52] the faith uh very interesting it says here uh just 12 percent of passengers

[00:00:57] say they are very effective in encouraging others encouraging Christians to share their faith only 12

[00:01:03] percent that’s pretty pretty low percentage there and it also said uh

[00:01:09] that Barna has been tracking pastors confidence dwindling over time between

[00:01:14] 2015 and 2022 there was a 24-point drop and the percentage of pastors who felt

[00:01:19] their church was at least somewhat effective at reaching out to the unchurched uh that’s not encouraging

[00:01:27] news the on the other hand most Christians the majority of Christians

[00:01:33] actually believe that it’s important to share their faith they believe this is incredibly important but it’s only a

[00:01:41] small percentage over half of Christians feel this way and so obviously that’s a

[00:01:47] huge deal and so today I have on my show my guests are Kyle Peart and Flynn Husby

[00:01:55] and they are of once-laws.com once lost Ministries and

[00:02:01] um we’re going to be talking a little bit today about the need to be able to share the gospel effectively and also

[00:02:06] how do you make that happen you know not not all of us feel comfortable doing that a lot of times we feel like

[00:02:12] if I want to but it doesn’t seem like the situation arises and it’s kind of awkward and uncomfortable maybe you’re

[00:02:19] scared a lot of people say Sharon the gospel is very scary to them and so um hopefully we can be encouraged today

[00:02:26] and give given some guidance uh by these two gentlemen and their heart for sharing the gospel uh thanks guys for

[00:02:32] being on the program today yeah thank you so much Kevin for having us I really appreciate it

[00:02:37] um we met you at that Homeschool Convention here in Arizona and and really looking forward to our discussion

[00:02:43] yeah yeah so um Kyle uh just a little bit of background

[00:02:48] um you know when you’re growing up even if you’re growing up in the church you you aren’t always there’s not always an

[00:02:54] emphasis in church placed on sharing the gospel on evangelism on reaching out and

[00:03:00] you can from that stat I read you can see a lot of pastors don’t feel like they’re doing a good job of of doing

[00:03:06] that um in your experience what is the reason for that why is it that people are so hesitant to reach out

[00:03:12] yeah um when you’re reading those stats it’s it’s really heartbreaking but it’s not surprising unfortunately this is

[00:03:18] something that um that really inspired the ministry um that me and Flynn have really been working through and just to

[00:03:24] make sure and give a quick shout out the you know me and Flynn we put our our ugly faces up on the camera and do these

[00:03:30] things but my wife is a major part of this so I really appreciate a lot of stuff that she does she just doesn’t

[00:03:35] jump on the camera um but um yeah so overall I would say that it’s a shame because when you

[00:03:43] when you evaluate this is kind of where our heart started when we I was ahead of evangelism at a Calvary Chapel here in

[00:03:49] Tucson and um what started out as like a really a big inspiration to encourage

[00:03:54] the church we ended up opening it up and we had about a hundred people that showed up for this training to encourage

[00:04:01] the Believers to go out and so it’s like oh wow there’s some really um good Outreach here for for a

[00:04:07] potential in Tucson and so when we went out we went two by twos and we set up tables at a local swap meet and ended up

[00:04:14] realizing real quick that there was a lot of people that had a Zeal but didn’t have an understanding of the core

[00:04:20] fundamental of the gospel and so then that really encouraged us to really prepare the feet that the gospel says

[00:04:27] with a reasonable defense in in um you know first Peter 3 15. and so we started

[00:04:33] an apologetics class and it really turned into this beautiful Unison like collaboration between evangelism

[00:04:41] um and apologetics where all ultimately it’s discipleship and I think that’s what’s lacking in the church there’s a

[00:04:48] lot of people that you’ll find in churches that that want to reach the lost but don’t have an understanding to

[00:04:54] or don’t have a fundamental breakdown of what the scriptures say you know a Christianity 101 type

[00:05:00] but then you have other people that have tons of information kind of like the Church of emphasis we see in Revelation

[00:05:06] um but no love to reach them and so there’s like this disconnect of what real the real Christian faith is is that

[00:05:14] it’s a collaboration between the two and a lot of people like to segregate those if that makes sense

[00:05:20] yeah you know that I totally hear what you’re saying there that uh I some

[00:05:26] people they have so much information and they’ve gotten almost into the mindset and for a long time it seems like apologetics in America got a bad rap

[00:05:32] because people were like all you’re trying to do is argue you’re just divisive everybody leaves the conversation feeling worse off you know

[00:05:40] uh even if you won the argument you you just created a bitter enemy and um you

[00:05:45] know you said that when you first started doing this a lot of the people that you would take out you recognized

[00:05:51] they didn’t have the tools they didn’t they weren’t equipped to be able to do this what are some of the big mistakes

[00:05:56] that people make in evangelism when they’re maybe they’re just getting started it they don’t know what they’re doing like they said they have Zeal but

[00:06:03] they don’t cut the rest of it what are some of the mistakes people make that actually maybe maybe even end up doing

[00:06:09] more harm than good yeah I would say the list is probably huge most of it has to

[00:06:15] do with us getting in the way um you know and some of it’s just a lack of understanding some of it’s a lack of

[00:06:21] of courage and faith in in the Lord I would say I’ll tell you I can speak for myself I can’t really speak for other

[00:06:27] people but you know when I went out I’ll tell you right now that I I did not like

[00:06:32] people before I knew Christ I was and I was a mean harsh rough guy my wife can

[00:06:38] testify to that I didn’t like to look people in the eyes and so when I came to Christ you know I

[00:06:44] was like oh man I’m supposed to talk to people and I read the Bible and it said Jesus said go and I was like oh wow so

[00:06:51] this is a command from the Lord that I need to go and I’m actually not being obedient or faithful with his command to

[00:06:58] reach these people but ultimately it’s it really needed to Spur this love for

[00:07:04] them because it can start out with this you know this pointing finger this doing

[00:07:11] the the wag of like going out there and just telling everyone they’re wrong but I like the way D.L Moody puts it he said

[00:07:17] that Christians are just um one Baker telling another Baker where to find the bread

[00:07:23] um the sooner we realize that and I would say that was a major issue with my heart it really stemmed down to a heart

[00:07:29] issue when we realize these people are just as lost as us and that’s why we call it once lost the sooner we remember

[00:07:36] that um it becomes pretty easy to see how much necessary it is to love and pray

[00:07:42] for these people that need the gospel that’s awesome Flynn um what are your

[00:07:48] thoughts on that in in your experience in in doing this ministry together what are some of the things that you look at

[00:07:53] and you go hey this is an area we kind of need to focus on we need to really help people change that is it different

[00:07:58] from what uh Kyle said or is that is it along the same lines not different maybe in addition to one of the things I know

[00:08:06] when I first just really had a desire I got saved when I was about 20. and a few

[00:08:11] years after that really wanted to start sharing the gospel um and really it was a matter of opening

[00:08:17] my mouth I think the biggest mistake is playing the head game of I’m not going to have the right answer right because

[00:08:22] that’s I think where a lot of people are at what if somebody asks me a question I don’t know the answer to and I’m sure

[00:08:28] we’ll address some of that a little more detail later but I think that’s a mistake um you don’t know and often in Scripture

[00:08:34] it talks about like in Matthew 5 when it starts when Jesus starts talking at least in the King James version with the

[00:08:40] Beatitudes it says he opened his mouth and began to teach well that’s a bit redundant you know if it just said he

[00:08:46] began to teach yeah we understand he opened his mouth he wasn’t pantomiming right but it says he opened his mouth

[00:08:52] and I I think you know personally that’s just a reminder we need to open our mouth a few times the scripture talks

[00:08:58] about that that uh he he opened his mouth and began to speak or he opened his mouth and began to teach I think

[00:09:03] that’s just that reminder that we it’s okay to open our mouth and I remember the first time I shared really really

[00:09:10] shared as a baby believer I you know it was I didn’t know what to say I was so nervous my Palms were sweating and I was

[00:09:16] shaking because I don’t like talking to people I’m so nervous and and I was at a restaurant and there was nobody there

[00:09:21] and I asked the waitress I’m like Lord I know this is the person you want me to talk to and I finally just asked her what do you think about the Bible you

[00:09:27] know I just kind of blurted it out I thought oh I hit her head on I don’t know what’s going to happen you know yeah and and she kind of looked at me

[00:09:33] stunned and then she took my order and but when she came back I thought oh I just I just blew it Lord what did I do

[00:09:39] and uh you know because I was playing that mind game what’s the perfect entrance what’s the perfect way to get in what do I and and then she came back

[00:09:46] to me and she said you know I have been wondering for the last two weeks about the Bible I’m so glad you asked that

[00:09:52] question wow it was the perfect question it wasn’t me you know I didn’t even I thought I screwed up and the Lord used it so opening your mouth not being

[00:09:59] afraid to speak and one thing we’ll talk a lot about and we didn’t you know invent it but you know evangelism is a

[00:10:05] conversation not a presentation that’s the other mistake I think sometimes we make you watch someone on YouTube

[00:10:11] and you just see this slick presentation not to put it down at all there are plenty Ministries that have nice

[00:10:16] presentations and it’s important the Lord uses it but sometimes we’re like well I can’t be that polished I can’t

[00:10:21] have that presentation um and it doesn’t often go well it’s just a conversation like Kyle said it’s

[00:10:27] one beggar talking to another beggar it’s one human being I’m talking to another human being about the most

[00:10:32] important thing they’ll ever need to talk about you know that’s yeah that is fantastic you know I I I I I totally

[00:10:38] resonate with everything you just said there um that that’s the case and it’s you know what amazes me frequently and I

[00:10:44] feel like um that story you just shared you know with the waitress that’s the kind of story that needs to be shared more and more often simply because it

[00:10:52] just helps people to feel like okay I don’t have to be this big Pastor I don’t have to be some famous evangelist and

[00:10:57] you look at people like that you look at um you know the the movie that came out recently with uh Greg Laurie and Chuck

[00:11:04] Smith and you look at that and it’s cool how they showed a lot of the mistakes that happened along the way in there I thought that was really great the the

[00:11:11] The Human Side of that but you still feel like wow I’m just so far from that

[00:11:16] um and to hear those basic stories of this is what happened is really encouraging I remember for me I have a

[00:11:22] very similar story I was this was when I was in college I was um cutting tomatoes in the back of in and out and I felt

[00:11:29] like God was telling me invite your co-worker to church and I was like I can’t do this I never even talked to this person you know and I was just

[00:11:36] thinking they’re going to just think I’m an idiot you know what am I going to say and I just said hey do you want to go to church sometime and this co-worker

[00:11:44] immediately said yes I do and I was like so caught off guard you do and uh

[00:11:51] actually came to church the pastor gave an altar call went down accepted Christ I mean it just you know

[00:11:58] I think a lot of times like you said we’re so caught up in the head games that we don’t realize that people are

[00:12:04] looking for hope they’re looking for you know you know what they’re they’re afraid of what’s going to happen next

[00:12:09] right they have loved ones that are in pain and are dealing with with heartache and hardship and and we have to kind of

[00:12:15] get out of our own head and and realize that God is really reaching people like you said

[00:12:20] um which is just incredible so what a blessing amen yeah that’s that if I can

[00:12:25] add to that I mean that’s really the the sooner the Christian realizes that these are real people that we are

[00:12:32] not just like turned into this like robots and we got to go around and do this thing that that Jesus is forcing us

[00:12:38] to do like it really like we’ve had more conversations Flynn and I when we’re sitting at a table with that waitress

[00:12:45] they’ll come up and we just ask them hey is there anything we can pray for we’re Christians we’re going to eat a meal and

[00:12:50] can we can we pray to our God for you is there something going on in your life and I’ll tell you I mean when my wife

[00:12:56] and I go out to eat and we we’ve had so many conversations that start out with

[00:13:01] the fact that we actually care about these people and they respond like sometimes they’ll

[00:13:06] walk away and say that was weird and then they’ll come back you know what I was actually thinking about that and I do really need prayer with this yeah and

[00:13:14] then you know you can’t be a stingy Tipper you got to leave a good gospel track and a good tip and they I have

[00:13:19] seen more fruit with that and and not to say that other opportunities aren’t there but yeah it’s just loving these

[00:13:26] people and and realizing that they have a need and they’re paying attention I mean there’s a reason why in First Peter

[00:13:33] it says that they’re gonna ask you the hope that is in you we look different whether it’s offensive or or captivating

[00:13:39] we look different and we should look different because we’re Sanctified by Christ right amen that’s great yeah so

[00:13:46] this is kind of a question for both of you guys um because I think this is one of the areas that people really struggle with

[00:13:53] uh when I was uh I’m actually doing a bunch of research currently on evangelism in America and these sorts of

[00:13:59] things and what’s happening and um one of the big issues that people are dealing with is is how do I incorporate

[00:14:06] this into my everyday life and I liked what you said right there you said hey we just asked people can I pray for you

[00:14:11] and that is a great opener because it’s so um uh you know it’s not conflict oriented

[00:14:18] it’s not it’s just it’s it’s making an offer to somebody so when you give people guidance and you know you’re

[00:14:25] trying to train people up to be able to um share the gospel what are some things like that where

[00:14:31] let’s say this person is sitting at home they’re listening they’re at square one they’re not you know they’re not an evangelist by any means what are those

[00:14:38] steps to begin to incorporate this into their everyday life how does that how do

[00:14:44] they get that ball rolling what’s that practical First Step Second Step kind of a situation

[00:14:52] go ahead all right so you know I’m a teacher at a Christian School I’ve been

[00:14:58] taught for about 20 years so you’re when you start saying steps and breaking it down and everything you know that’s

[00:15:03] that’s my teacher mind how do I boil this down to the Simplicity of it all yeah and it starts

[00:15:10] um I think there’s two things all right there’s two sides to that coin one side is I think it’s important to have some

[00:15:16] tools I what I teach I teach fourth and fifth grade I call it my you know my backpack my toolbox whatever you want to

[00:15:22] call there are some tools that are helpful to have and there are Ministries out there that help you with those whether it’s Living Waters or other

[00:15:28] things that just talk about kind of some practical steps to be able to ask some people questions and kind of take it a

[00:15:34] certain way however um when you get into steps it’s important to have a few to get the door

[00:15:40] open like can I pray for you or what are your thoughts about things that are going on today seriously to me the first

[00:15:45] tool though before all of that is prayer and it’s easy for me as a Believer to

[00:15:51] focus on you know walking by sight Lord I’m failing in this area not doing this in this area I got to figure this out and that’s how I started I mean I

[00:15:57] remember starting Lord I wanted to share it I was a teacher at the time up in Green Bay Wisconsin I went out and bought some wood and wanted to do a sign

[00:16:04] and I wanted to make all this stuff and just sit out there and be like a signed guy and just sit on the corner and write John you know 14-6 and

[00:16:12] um and the Lord had something else totally different in mine so all that kind of just got set off to the side and he opened other doors and that’s fine

[00:16:18] you know I think two things prayer and take a step you know when Moses was at the burning bush it wasn’t until he

[00:16:24] turned when the Lord spoke to him so oftentimes it takes a little not to say we’re doing the work for God but God

[00:16:32] wants us involved and so taking that practical step and whether that means think of I think practically speaking

[00:16:38] think about where you go already the people you talked to like you said hey I’m cutting Tomatoes every day next

[00:16:44] to this guy Lord do you want me to speak to him do you want me to talk to the guy I see

[00:16:49] I’m not talking about friendship evangelism building a friendship for four years before you actually share the

[00:16:55] gospel I’m not talking about you know all of that that’s a whole other issue I’m just saying think about where the

[00:17:00] Lord already has you you know when Jesus said go and share the you know share the good news like I’m looking at Matthew at

[00:17:06] 28 and he says go ye therefore and teach all the nations uh the implications sometimes there is as you go so it’s not

[00:17:14] just go it’s as you go so the reality is we all have places we go and my kids are we’re on vacation over the summer I said

[00:17:20] you know what you’re going to go somewhere that you’ve never gone before a lot of them travel to other states I said sit down make a few gospel tracks

[00:17:27] with no cards and these are fourth or fifth graders and I build it into how they do our class we actually go share the gospel in little ways throughout the

[00:17:34] year because while I’m used to doing that at a young age but take a gospel track write it out I said if you go to

[00:17:39] the gas station with Mom and Dad why not hand them a gospel track and say go to a Christian School uh you know there’s

[00:17:44] nothing wrong with having a good gospel track there’s nothing wrong if you took time and wrote out a Bible verse or had

[00:17:50] them printed out um one thing I did for a while is I you can go on to these free website or make free websites I made a

[00:17:56] free website I think uh I forget the name of it right now um unity and the truth perhaps that’s

[00:18:02] one of them but anyway um and I made it for a while and I made little little cards and just when I went

[00:18:09] to the grocery store one of the excuse me what do they always ask you did you find everything okay

[00:18:14] and I thought you know what I want to ask them have you found everything you’re looking for and so then they’re the and you don’t have a lot of time so

[00:18:20] I give them a little card that talks about if you seek you’ll find when you search for me with all your heart so little ways then that’s one of those

[00:18:26] little ways that kept coming to mind says all right I’ll take that step and just a little website on there to share the guy they could click on it it would

[00:18:31] share the gospel um and then a contact if they wanted to reach out to me so what are those little ways I guess that’s what I would start

[00:18:37] with prayer and look for those little ways and then have a few things in your backpack and we can break that down a

[00:18:43] little bit more but that’s where I’d start with that’s great Kyle what do you what do you what about yourself

[00:18:48] yeah I I think it’s it’s fundamentally uh so important because I think that’s

[00:18:54] the major thing that people miss and the fact that that Flynn you know I it’s so clear that we read the same book and we

[00:19:00] all do because it really it is such an encouragement to to to pray and ask the

[00:19:06] Lord first to to soften our hearts and soften those that we’re going to be in touch with because God knows who we’re

[00:19:11] going to talk to today and the fact that we’re not relying on the Lord in that aspect and and you know we’re not

[00:19:17] perfect we wake up and we forget to reach out to the Lord and start our day um but the sooner we do that the the

[00:19:23] bigger our eyes become to see the reality of of people coming in front of

[00:19:29] us and we’re not talking about complex situations we’re talking about you got to hurry up and stop at the gas station to get fuel and the person sitting next

[00:19:36] to you you know that awkward moment where you’re putting fuel into your into your car and you’re sitting there

[00:19:41] staring at the numbers clicking and there’s another person staring right there and you’re trying to avoid making eye contact and then all of a sudden but

[00:19:49] in uh you guys look and you’re like uh I don’t know what to say how’s it going like

[00:19:54] these gospel tracks and it’s not like Flynn said you can make your own we put them out for free we’ll literally ship

[00:20:01] them to you we don’t ask for any cost there’s tons of Ministries out there that Supply

[00:20:06] um gospel tracks but just saying hey can I give you this and the fact that you

[00:20:11] ask it as a question instead of you need to take this or hey I’ve got something for you but making it clear as as

[00:20:18] something that they that you have to offer to ask them and invite them to take it you get a lot of resistance when

[00:20:25] you say hey you need to take this but it’s it’s such a beautiful opportunity

[00:20:30] when you see the Simplicity of people around you everywhere and um just giving

[00:20:36] them a quick hey I care about you um you may not have a minute to sit and talk for 20 minutes you know for a long

[00:20:43] time but here give this a read when you’re at home and people take it man they they do yeah yeah the responses of

[00:20:49] people is overwhelmingly in my experience is overwhelmingly positive and uh if you’re just tuning in my guest

[00:20:55] today are Kyle Peart and Flynn Husby of once lost Ministries we’re talking about how do we get comfortable sharing our

[00:21:02] faith how do we get comfortable reaching out it’s interesting because um I keep going back to these statistics by Barna

[00:21:09] um and they actually asked non-believers uh how the conver how the conversations

[00:21:15] with Christians go so they actually asked people who don’t know Christ hey have you engaged in a conversation with

[00:21:22] somebody who’s a Believer a Christian and how did that that uh conversation go and about half of the people said

[00:21:31] um I did not feel like I was even heard and half said I did feel like I was heard and I felt like well that’s really

[00:21:38] interesting because um it’s actually uh according to the the research they did this is one of the

[00:21:44] most significant things that a non-believer is looking for is I have a

[00:21:50] burden on my heart and I need to share it and we’re all weighted down with burdens but to be in a place where you

[00:21:57] don’t know the Lord and to have all the burdens that are in our culture today um is a heavy place and so people are

[00:22:03] always looking for a listening ear and so it seems like that’s one of the areas that we need to uh focus on and

[00:22:11] continually grow in and Kyle I really like what you were saying that you know these are people that

[00:22:17] um we just need to love and God God loves them and uh they are where we once

[00:22:23] were and so if we can really realize that this is not about me and I can get

[00:22:28] my focus off myself onto them it really changed the Dynamics that’s what I that’s what I’ve learned over time by

[00:22:35] sharing is that if I can authentically care about this person and really get my

[00:22:40] focus on them and like prayer that’s what prayer does prayer helps you to focus on them not yourself

[00:22:47] um then it takes away some of the pain the the scariness of it I guess and also

[00:22:53] um actually is incredibly effective because they because anybody can tell when a person is just going through the

[00:22:59] motions versus they actually care and have a uh they’re having a legitimate

[00:23:05] conversation with me um and they can tell you they can tell you really care so um is that something

[00:23:12] that you talk about when you when you help people begin to prepare is

[00:23:18] um but I know you’ve already talked about this but is uh how do I spend time listening to a

[00:23:26] person versus quote preaching at them yeah so that was something so like I

[00:23:32] mentioned earlier when we started the Apologetics class um based on

[00:23:38] um us wanting to encourage the church to be equipped um and to go out and and you know

[00:23:43] Evangelical to go out and reach out to people um what I realized actually this is a

[00:23:51] funny test and this was totally a personal test that I did this isn’t out there in statistics world and out there but because

[00:23:57] um the church was so large I mean we’re talking 10 000 people in that church that we no longer attend there but the

[00:24:02] Lord did a lot of work there um uh what I found was there was a lot of leaders that did not have a

[00:24:09] fundamental understanding of the Gospel okay so I would go through the front doors and because it’s so large I was

[00:24:14] like a lay Pastor I wasn’t like on staff so a lot of people didn’t know who I was which worked to my benefit I didn’t wear

[00:24:20] my name tag that day and I would walk up and I’d say hey I’m a new person in town and I want to know who Jesus is and they

[00:24:27] had little greeter badges so I’d go to them and and they’d say let me go find a pastor for you and I’d say well I don’t

[00:24:32] want to talk to a pastor that’s weird I just want to know what you believe and and can I know the truth and you’d be

[00:24:38] surprised how many people did not feel comfortable explaining who Jesus was why

[00:24:44] he came and and why they were Christians wow and so um that’s really ultimately and it’s not

[00:24:51] and I don’t bring that up to charge the church or to to condemn them I bring it up as an inspiration of wife Flynn and I

[00:24:58] do what we do it’s because when we read the scriptures the really like the base of once lost Ministries is growing and

[00:25:06] going the more you grow in the Lord you will naturally go and I think there

[00:25:11] there needs to be more emphasis on equipping the Saints on for the work of

[00:25:17] the ministry and that really comes down to understanding who Christ is you cannot do the work of the ministry

[00:25:22] without understanding him and people are not doing that in the Pulpit today they’re doing a lot of 20-minute

[00:25:28] messages doing hoorahs and and you know that’s a whole nother conversation that we could go down but you’d be surprised

[00:25:35] I’ve traveled with my wife around um around the world we went on several different mission trips and whether it

[00:25:41] was India Ireland um UK Africa you would be surprised how

[00:25:46] many Christians do not know the that in the Bible you can go to First Corinthians 15 and the Bible explains

[00:25:52] the gospel for you you don’t even have to have like this deep theological understanding of Genesis to Revelation

[00:26:00] literally you can say look the gospel is right here I delivered unto you what I

[00:26:05] once uh believe myself in accordance with the scriptures Jesus died and he rose again and

[00:26:12] um and revealed himself to over 500 Witnesses that’s I just shared the gospel in in 10

[00:26:19] seconds and so I would say that that really needs to be for anyone listening

[00:26:25] if they’re a Christian um you know really focus on who Christ is what the gospel is why it’s good news

[00:26:33] and and start from there you don’t have to like flinson you don’t have to go down a checklist you just have to know

[00:26:39] Christ and it naturally comes out you know you will share it because you understand him

[00:26:45] that’s awesome so um what are some of the uh questions that people have or what are some of the

[00:26:51] most common questions that people have when you’re sharing and and or or roadblocks people have to accepting

[00:26:58] Christ um how does that go for you guys Flynn and your experience what are some of the things that pop up that would be good

[00:27:05] preparation for people to be able to answer particular questions that come up right well one of the things that I

[00:27:12] think I run into the most and I don’t know if other people might say the same thing I think it just depends on the community you’re dealing with and who

[00:27:18] you’re talking with the most but like I Uber on the side a little bit just to help pay the bills and so it creates

[00:27:24] tons of good opportunities to talk to people and so when people say oh what do you do out you know full-time I always

[00:27:29] say well I’m a teacher at a Christian School okay well what do you teach I said well fourth and fifth grade or what subjects do you teach and I always say

[00:27:35] it the same way I teach Bible and Science and History and English and all the rest and I always put science in the

[00:27:41] Bible together and I’m sure you know why because eventually it opens that natural opportunity of wait a second how does

[00:27:48] that work and you know I have it it’s happened at least twice in the last year

[00:27:53] where someone said wait a second science in the Bible and it opened a huge doors so that I think um and I and we see the

[00:28:01] same statistics you know the churches that wish they could maybe do more evangelism but you’ve also got the

[00:28:06] churches that really do not teach the word of God from cover to cover uh carefully and again Kyle said that’s a

[00:28:13] different topic but it’s all the same topic obviously not one for today but it all ties together you know if you don’t

[00:28:20] really trust the word of God for Genesis 1 1 and I know I know that you would say

[00:28:26] the same thing if you don’t trust in Genesis one one I know then then how do you talk to people about the gospel I

[00:28:33] could easily say to you well if you don’t believe the beginning why do you believe the middle and you have no leg to stand on as a

[00:28:39] Christian all you have left is an experience that’s it so I think the biggest hurdle is personal I think the

[00:28:46] biggest hurdle is why do you trust why do you believe what you believe that’s why for us the apologetic section comes

[00:28:52] in so handy so ultimately I think Evolution’s a huge one being able to lovingly because some people are like oh

[00:28:59] it’s so stupid and even I’ll tell my kids you know what about this Ah that’s so dumb I said but you have to remember people are lost you know they’re they’re

[00:29:07] God they’re they’re lost in their sins so to them it makes sense excuse me and

[00:29:12] you know that’s something that I remember as a non-believer hearing really dumb things and going and you know I apologize if someone’s listening

[00:29:19] and thinking I’m putting them down I’m not but things that just didn’t make sense logically but it did make sense because I had a dark and foolish art so

[00:29:27] uh approaching it from yeah they’re in a dark place I need to bring them some light try to show them the

[00:29:32] inconsistencies of their beliefs and there’s a lot of good Ministries that do that so I think Evolution’s a big one and then then just the concept of sin we

[00:29:39] live in a world now that’s so it’s post-post modern so anything goes except for the truth so

[00:29:46] um trying to deal with this culture today on what sin is that you can’t you know following your feelings and I think

[00:29:52] every generation has certain areas you know we talk Paul talks about we’re not ignorant of Satan’s devices so our

[00:29:58] generation has avenues that Satan has used and evolution is a big one

[00:30:04] witchcraft is a really big one um and magic and those kind of things are really big for people whether we

[00:30:10] want to believe it or not the conversations a lot of people believe in the mysticism of the world and it’s getting more with the metaphysical and

[00:30:16] and the alien thing like you just had that conversation with Gary beats and all of that that’s all kind of Blended

[00:30:22] together so understanding people are starting from a very Amalgamated View and it’s often evolutionary it’s often

[00:30:29] mystical it’s often emotion centered so how do you get them from that point to understanding what absolute truth is and

[00:30:36] I think that helps because then once you can get there then we can talk about the Bible because you know God’s word does

[00:30:41] what it does God’s word will work you know you can share God’s word absolutely but but a lot of people are wondering

[00:30:47] why do I believe this book over any other right that’s I mean ultimately that’s what they’re going to ask you so

[00:30:52] you have to be able to at some level I believe explain to them God’s word is true and then the next question will

[00:30:57] always be if they’re if they’re you know uh logical or consistent they’re going to say well why why is it true yeah so

[00:31:04] being able to answer why do I believe the Bible is true and how do I address that in in a very in a variety of

[00:31:11] situations I think is important uh yeah I really appreciate that uh another one of the things that has come

[00:31:18] up in the research that I’ve done is that in the 1970s I believe it was just

[00:31:24] over 90 percent of Americans claim to be Christian doesn’t mean that they necessarily were but that was the claim

[00:31:29] we’re actually down to somewhere around 65 currently that claim to be Christian

[00:31:35] we’ve had a rise of What’s called the nuns and that’s approaching 30 people

[00:31:41] that claim I I am not affiliated with any particular religion they’re not they’re not moving to Islam they’re not

[00:31:47] moving to Buddhism they’re moving to I’m just I’m I’m not affiliated with anything what’s really really

[00:31:53] interesting about the research that’s been done and I think this makes complete sense is that

[00:31:59] any of the denominations which does not emphasize that the Bible is true from Genesis 1 1 all the way into Revelation

[00:32:06] anyone that deviates is deviating from the scriptures they’re actually seeing a dramatic decline in their numbers and

[00:32:13] interestingly enough those that adhere to a full Biblical viewpoint they are

[00:32:19] not actually seeing any declines in the the number of people and I think people can tell that it’s hypocritical they can

[00:32:25] tell that hey you you say you believe this but then this part right here you don’t agree with and so people recognize

[00:32:32] that and they go you know this is this is baloney you know I’m whether they’re leaving and

[00:32:38] just leaving um Christianity altogether or whether they’re just going no I need a

[00:32:44] bible-believing church and so I think the encouraging thing for pastors is is

[00:32:50] stick with the word of God don’t don’t try to appease people by softening the

[00:32:55] word of God um it’s it’s good you know God God got it right and we don’t have to change it

[00:33:01] to fit people’s quote needs and we’re actually doing them a disservice not a service in the world the world honestly

[00:33:08] doesn’t want the same thing they have we’ve gone to a worldly way of worship but also a worldly way of evangelizing

[00:33:15] often you know with all I got to reach out and befriend them and bring them to a game and stuff first and wait for you

[00:33:21] know two years to talk to him about Jesus or whatever you want to say um why don’t you share the gospel you

[00:33:26] know it’s okay to be a friend of and help them and everything else that’s all important but it’s the same at church you know the world doesn’t want more of

[00:33:33] the world they know what the world is they want something different so the world is not impressed with trying to do

[00:33:39] an Amalgamated view or a mixture between the world I mean that’s the clay in the and the iron that we kind of see that a

[00:33:46] lot of the church is trying to do it just doesn’t stand yeah Kyle yeah go

[00:33:51] ahead sorry we went through that whole Seeker sensitive movement you know everyone saw that where the church growth the church growth was going

[00:33:58] through this whole idea of if we put um you know candy canes and lollipops and

[00:34:03] and fog machines there was like this big movement right that encouraged people and and I think

[00:34:09] uh what most of those churches uh realized were when you stop using those

[00:34:14] things people disappear it’s because that’s why they came and so you do see this these people that are drawing this

[00:34:21] line today that do want to stand on the word of God and maybe their their faith was in you know they were ultimately

[00:34:28] trying to please men and and there’s good intentions you know the that some of these churches I wouldn’t say all of

[00:34:33] them because I can think a couple in my head in Southern California that we’re doing it for all the wrong reasons but

[00:34:38] there are churches out there that you know realized hey this was a compromise we shouldn’t do this but Paul said it so

[00:34:45] many times we don’t seek we’ve been entrusted with the gospel and we don’t seek to please men we seek to please God

[00:34:51] and so we are just called to give the full counsel of God and and when men and

[00:34:57] women see the the necessity for truth because that’s really what it is today right everyone’s attacking the truth

[00:35:03] they don’t want to believe in an objective reality morality and all these things every things open to

[00:35:10] interpretation when you show them that there is substance there is there is understanding there is reason they it

[00:35:16] Pricks the conscience and they go ah there is truth out there wow and that and that’s what people are drawn to you

[00:35:23] can really see that today so stop compromising I think like you said agreed just stick to the word let the word do itself

[00:35:29] yeah amen I I think that’s so true I think a lot of people have been tricked into this idea that you can’t know truth

[00:35:37] um and I think that’s a lie from the devil that he uses in order to just shut down conversation I’ve had so many

[00:35:42] strange conversations with with uh uh non-believers just in weird places I can

[00:35:48] think of I had a conversation with two people camping where they just happened to be sitting next to us at a lake and

[00:35:56] we got into this really funny conversation and the lady ended by they were from Germany and the lady ended by

[00:36:02] saying um well I said why aren’t you Christians because she was saying how she liked

[00:36:08] Christians because they were so nice and I thought okay this is weird oh I said why aren’t you a Christian and she said

[00:36:14] well I have to have science you know I believe in science and we got in this long conversation her her final

[00:36:21] statement to me was well we really can’t know what’s true right and I was like

[00:36:26] what come on this is crazy where don’t really believe in science exactly right

[00:36:32] really so that’s that’s really the what you just said is really the heart of it all though when we’re evangelizing and

[00:36:39] sharing there’s really just it’s really simple man desires men whether it’s in in evolution or science or whether it’s

[00:36:46] in other men philosophically or in yourself it’s all a desire to want to know what you know that you cannot that

[00:36:52] you can decide for yourself what reality is right and um you know to know what your truth is

[00:36:58] that whole that whole saying you know your truth is your truth which is not true but the the our desire to know men

[00:37:04] and Jesus and you know and John had talked about he knew what was in man he didn’t commit himself to men in other

[00:37:10] words he didn’t clamor after him for their likes he didn’t clamor after him to be YouTube popular he didn’t run

[00:37:15] after him to you know have a fan base he came to share the kingdom of God through the word of God and the gospel of God to

[00:37:22] point people to the freedom they could have at Christ not to some Pastor not to some church not to some book and I think

[00:37:29] there’s danger on all sides whether you are you know in the secret sensitive movement where you’re just trying to

[00:37:34] adopt the world and then go out and be the world to the world and try to win them back to a church that looks like

[00:37:40] the world or I think there’s another side too and we don’t talk about this too often but there’s another side of

[00:37:46] the church that’s very philosophical and very into church fathers writings and

[00:37:51] they’ll be very into very um sit around and just have these very intellectual conversations and then oftentimes

[00:37:58] they’re not out sharing but the ones who are you know I can’t judge their heart if they’re sharing the gospel they’re sharing the gospel but sometimes they’re

[00:38:05] not pointing people to Christ they’re pointing people to a religious man or a religious idea so whether you’re

[00:38:10] religious in your ideas are philosophical or emotional or whatever metaphysical the goal is put all that

[00:38:17] aside we just want Jesus you know it’s Jesus plus nothing equals everything and the only way you can do that and I talk

[00:38:23] to the kids about this this week because there are very clear lies that we have to address in this generation and one of

[00:38:30] the things I told the kids that I had to write it down and I wanted them to go share it with their parents and I had their parents sign off because I want

[00:38:35] them used to sharing things with others and I it was if you want to know God’s love you need to know God’s word I said

[00:38:41] because love is redefined and we know and Satan you know Satan is a lover he’s

[00:38:48] he’s you know the book of Satan isn’t a book of hey it’s a book of love because you know it’s all about but it’s loving

[00:38:53] yourself and so we looked up first John and we looked up in 316 God is love or

[00:38:59] 416 one of those two 416 are thinking you know God is love so I said you know that’s one of Satan’s biggest lies and

[00:39:04] the kids all looked at me went what I said but you see Satan redefine who God is we’re all gods and you redefine what

[00:39:11] love is it’s self-love and so much of the church has adopted so many views of emotion and there’s no truth that’s

[00:39:18] absolute that they’re ill-equipped right now to even be able to go out and share

[00:39:23] the gospel and then when they are going to share the gospel unfortunately they’re told uh well just look share

[00:39:29] your testimony and again that can be a good tool for the right person but you know there Our

[00:39:36] Testimony we you know this this the test the spirit of Prophecy in Revelation it says is the testimony of Jesus Christ so

[00:39:43] yeah we can share our testimony but we need to swing them to the gospel we need to swing them away from just an

[00:39:48] experience if we’re going to go that route and again I I don’t often share my testimony personally because my personal

[00:39:55] testimony um is pretty interesting but I don’t want people focused on me I try to share

[00:40:00] who Jesus is because that’s the ultimate question you know a Buddhist can have a great testimony a Mormon can have a

[00:40:05] great testimony then we’re just battling testimonies but which one is true and

[00:40:11] that’s I think where that’s where we try to settle because if you’re on testimonies you know it gives people an opportunity and the Lord can use that

[00:40:18] I’m not doubting that but ultimately speaking um I don’t want somebody following Jesus

[00:40:23] because God did something in my life that leaves the door a little bit open for well God can make my life better too

[00:40:28] I want them to know that their father Jesus because of the truth Jesus said if

[00:40:33] you stay in my word my disciples you’ll be and you’ll know the truth and the truth will set you free so that’s what we want to point people to

[00:40:39] that’s great I really like that that’s a good that’s important um because if it’s all about like you

[00:40:45] said if it’s all about battling feelings uh which is what the Mormon church does the LDS church is very specifically

[00:40:51] about um if you feel good then that’s the test that that testifies to the truth of what

[00:40:56] we’re saying and uh no we’re not battling who can make people feel the best um we’re what we’re looking at is what

[00:41:03] is true so um Kyle along those same lines from an apologetic standpoint

[00:41:09] um what do you feel if somebody says well I am very interested in this I know I need to grow I need to be discipled

[00:41:16] um what is an area of an apologetics that you think a person should focus on most immediately uh is that different

[00:41:23] for each person depending on their circumstance um or is that is is there some general

[00:41:29] apologetics that a person should learn and for those of you who don’t know what apologetics is it comes from a Greek

[00:41:34] word apologia which means to defend it’s just an area of focus and Christianity that is really answering people’s tough

[00:41:40] questions about God in the Bible what do you think Kyle yeah

[00:41:45] um you know I I know that a lot of apologists would give you a ton of different answers and tell you all their

[00:41:50] opinions on the stuff that they focus on and I’m not saying that that stuff is wrong I just know that like from from

[00:41:56] experience and from Reading those scriptures um the more you know the truth it’ll be

[00:42:01] pretty easy to to address anything that comes your way I’ve got a ton of books we’ve we’ve all Flynn’s got a bunch

[00:42:08] behind him and we we read a lot and I’m not discrediting reading and and knowing like I’ve read the bhagavad-gita I’ve

[00:42:14] read the you know the pearl of great price and the the Quran I I’ve read those and and I wanted to know the truth

[00:42:21] and that was really like a younger me wanting to understand the truth and that’s what led me to the scriptures but

[00:42:28] um uh it’s a terrible movie but I always reference it because it really helps me Zone in is um the movie Catch Me If You

[00:42:34] Can with Leonardo DiCaprio it was based on a true story and the guy’s name was you brought that up because I literally

[00:42:41] I’m a teacher too I this is what I was talking to my students about today that’s nice that is funny yes

[00:42:49] that was weird it’s based on the um the true story of Frank Abagnale and Frank Abagnale was a

[00:42:57] guy that was really good at at replicating checks and and um became really Wealthy on it I mean he was

[00:43:03] stealing millions of dollars in the in the FBI was chasing him for years and

[00:43:08] basically what happened at the end is when he got caught they as a as a you know as a part of his parole not really

[00:43:15] a parole but part of his sentence he got to help out the FBI and instead of

[00:43:20] always studying the incorrect items he studied the real checks and he was so

[00:43:26] good at at finding the the errors the lies um the you know the fake checks was

[00:43:32] because he knew the truth and he got to a point where it was so clear when he

[00:43:37] felt the check in his hand he knew whether it was real or not and that’s how his we as Christians should be is

[00:43:43] um you know Flynn tells it a lot uh and my with our kids we call it spot the LIE always being able to to detect the lies

[00:43:51] Flynn calls it to truth radar when you know the truth and you hear something that’s contrary to the scriptures it’s

[00:43:58] it sounds off and you can go oh that doesn’t match the word of God and then it becomes really easy you don’t have to

[00:44:04] be a theologian of the Quran to be able to talk to a Muslim all you can when they say you know God didn’t become a

[00:44:11] man and has no son oh okay well why well I can show you the scriptures because Jesus very very clearly claimed to be

[00:44:19] God he said before Abraham was I am so that’s becomes very personal because the

[00:44:26] the Muslims will say you know the good Muslims have to read the in jail they have to understand the New Testament the

[00:44:31] gospel and so you say hey well the gospel says that you need to know Jesus he’s the only way the truth and the life

[00:44:37] and and it says that he is before Abraham so we need to know who Jesus is and it makes it easy because you’re

[00:44:44] reading the scriptures you know what I mean yeah that’s right yeah that’s really that’s really apologetics

[00:44:51] yeah is no one the scriptures and then being able to you know go and and honestly what I found is that

[00:44:58] most of the time it is not an intellectual issue most of the time it

[00:45:03] is a it is an issue of do I actually want to follow Christ or do I not do I

[00:45:10] want to live my life my own way irregardless of God or do I not or maybe

[00:45:15] the person doesn’t actually understand um the good news of the gospel I’ve

[00:45:20] found a lot of people whenever I I go down to the beach and share the gospel with people and we pass

[00:45:26] out hot dogs and water and invitation to church and we pray for people and and um it’s very common for after I explain the

[00:45:34] gospel for somebody to say wow that makes a lot of sense I’ve never heard it that way and uh so that’s a big part of

[00:45:41] it is just getting to the point where you’re very comfortable in actually sharing the gospel in a way that people

[00:45:47] can actually understand and like you said a lot of people just they just don’t know how to share the gospel which

[00:45:52] so that’s a fantastic place to start that’s wonderful well um for those of you listening my my

[00:45:59] guest today are Kyle Pierre and Flynn Husby of once lost Ministries if you

[00:46:04] need to reach out to them once-loss.com is their website if you want help with resources they’ve got a

[00:46:11] ton of videos up too on apologetics issues and those sorts of things and um

[00:46:16] I just really encourage you as a Christian who’s listening um it is such a blessing to share the

[00:46:24] good news of Jesus Christ if it’s something you haven’t done it’s really what God has called us to do and he

[00:46:31] works through us and then just to know that God is using you to pray for somebody to minister to them and that

[00:46:39] you’re a part of what God is doing uh there’s really honestly nothing more fulfilling than that and and that is the

[00:46:45] greatest need is to be a part of God’s family and doing what God has called us to do so

[00:46:50] um guys I want to thank you so much for being on the program today it’s a huge blessing and I love what you’re doing

[00:46:56] no thank you so much I really appreciate it yeah thank you very much hey the one thing I would say really quick yeah

[00:47:02] excuse me is to a lot of the research although it’s you know research could be

[00:47:07] helpful but it’s not always perfect but the you know the research often shows too that families that share the gospel

[00:47:14] often the kids are blessed by that they often and I think it’s mainly because a

[00:47:19] family that goes and shares the gospel is is growing in their walk in every area so if you’re a you know a family

[00:47:26] out there and you’re praying about how do I do this as a family you know as

[00:47:32] simple as like you said uh you have neighbors make them a little bit of something and have your kid make them a

[00:47:38] really cool picture I have my kids off and do this make little tracks or pictures take it home and and give it to

[00:47:43] somebody over the holidays you have Grandma’s grandpas uncles no somebody’s going to come over the holidays right

[00:47:49] and not be a Christian who’s going to want to turn down a smiley face handing him a color picture saying Jesus you

[00:47:54] know sharing the gospel and then you as a family as you as a grown-up you then you you say hey well let’s go home and

[00:48:00] pray for that person and then your kids get to see or that that layer of it’s

[00:48:06] not just me trying to make make ends meet and go to the game on Sunday and and you know do my work during the week

[00:48:13] it’s that we actually care about people we want to see people come to Jesus and that’s a blessing to every everybody it

[00:48:19] enriches the family in a way that you miss out on I really think it it’s a piece that’s missing in a lot of

[00:48:25] families uh and and that’s again maybe a different discussion but just an encouragement

[00:48:30] um out there and we have a couple articles what I

[00:48:35] wrote dealing around uh Resurrection time about some opportunities families can have to use to bless even their own

[00:48:41] family and teaching the gospel teaching how to teach prophecy to their kids and make it fun and engaging I mean we even

[00:48:47] did it like I teach my fourth and fifth graders to go help The Kindergartners and so what we do every year is we we

[00:48:53] take Bible verses put them in little Easter eggs because we don’t do egg hunts but I say okay we’ve got these

[00:48:59] Easter eggs they’re empty put them in there we hide that and we do a Bible verse hunt you know seek and fight you

[00:49:04] know if you seek me you’ll find me when you search for me with all your heart so the kids by kids I’ll hide them the then

[00:49:09] The Kindergartners go out and find them and I’ve heard from several of the kids they save those things those little Bible verses for years because they were

[00:49:17] so excited to find God’s word and I’m like well how much better than finding a chocolate Easter egg that like how does

[00:49:22] a bunny lay an egg anyway so I’d rather give him God’s word and you know there’s so many different opportunities I think

[00:49:28] really just take a step forward and pray about it and and just literally do something and learn the gospel if you’re

[00:49:35] not used to sharing the gospel practice with somebody in your family practice in front you know literally just practice

[00:49:41] sharing the gospel did you know Jesus said and uh like Kyle said go through the word there are some great scriptures

[00:49:48] that just share the gospel my dad got saved later in life and he came across Romans 10 you know in in Romans 10 8 9

[00:49:54] and 10. he came across that and he said him he’s an older guy he says I can’t believe he said I had to pull over I was in tears this is the gospel and he was

[00:50:02] so excited you know and then that excitement led to him sharing the gospel with somebody which he loved too so you

[00:50:07] know it’s good to know a few scriptures and it’s good to know maybe a little bit about some of the you know the things that are going on in the world so you

[00:50:13] can talk to people and then just go out there and pray and share yeah I love it

[00:50:19] I love it and if I could add one more thing because I don’t want to miss this because you did ask me and I don’t know

[00:50:24] if I really answered it correctly because you said for people out there that want to know kind of what to ask

[00:50:29] and I can wrap this up pretty fast um the the easiest way for us I know I

[00:50:34] love Ray Comfort I love his heart we’re not all Ray Comforts not Ray Comfort is a man of his own like he he is his own

[00:50:41] man and I’ve served with him he’s an awesome dude but um for us what we found really easy for the Christian that

[00:50:48] really does understand the gospel but wants to know how to to Really bridge that Gap the the number one question for

[00:50:53] me is when you ask someone if you were to die today and stood before God and he said why should I let you in

[00:50:59] what would you say and it reveals the heart right away they say you know I followed the rules it kind of brings

[00:51:05] that Young Rich ruler out of you you know where you you say well I’ve done all the Commandments and I’ve done all

[00:51:10] these things um and so from there it becomes really easy in a conversation to engage and say

[00:51:17] okay well have you ever done anything wrong because the Bible says you know we we we’re given the law as a school

[00:51:22] Master it says that in Galatians so when we prick the conscience the reason why we have good news the reason why it’s

[00:51:29] called Good News you angelian is because there’s bad news so when we lead them through understanding the sin like like

[00:51:37] Flynn talked about earlier a lot of people don’t want to talk about Sin when you bring out that we all have fallen

[00:51:42] short you show them Christ and it’s good news and it satisfies the soul you know

[00:51:48] so that’s that’s a kind of an answer that yeah that’s that’s absolutely right I I and and uh that helped me

[00:51:54] tremendously just understanding that the the law is a teacher and it helps you to

[00:52:00] see that no you you are not you cannot justify yourself so uh that’s wonderful

[00:52:06] uh again uh for those of you listening Kyle up here and Flynn Husby once lost Ministries and uh just encouraging and

[00:52:13] supporting people as they’re um taking those baby steps to share their faith and uh do that that’s absolutely

[00:52:19] fantastic we’ll be back again next week uh for those of you listening we’ve got some great guests coming up just had

[00:52:25] Gary Bates on last week and uh really interesting about the whole alien phenomenon

[00:52:30] um but uh thanks for being with us hope you enjoyed it and I look forward to seeing you and being with you next time God bless you have a great night when

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