The Demise of the Quran – Dr. Jay Smith

[00:00:00] welcome to educate for life i’m your host kevin conover my website’s educate4life.org and we’ve got all kinds of shows up

[00:00:06] there that you can check out uh we just had an interview with alan schliemann last week on

[00:00:12] uh ethics and uh biology and science and how to determine biblically from a biblical world view

[00:00:18] what’s appropriate in science and so forth my guest today is dr jay smith he’s been a christian evangelist apologist and

[00:00:25] polemicist since 1983 and he’s been working with muslims for over 33 years he travels to countries

[00:00:31] all over the world showing muslims why the quran is not actually the word of god he has two

[00:00:37] masters degrees in divinity and islamics he has a phd in apologetics and polemics and he’s debated over 90 dialogues and

[00:00:44] debates with muslim polemicists all over the world and uh uh dr

[00:00:49] dr smith thanks for being on the program today if people want to check out more about you where’s the best place for them to go on the

[00:00:55] internet well they need to go on youtube and they need to go to fanduel films spelled with a p-f-a-n-d-e-r-f-i element so fander

[00:01:03] films with pf it’s the german spelling named after a german scholar named dr carl fander uh that’s i put up videos

[00:01:10] about two to three videos a week and i’ve been doing this since 2006 so an awful long time

[00:01:16] so there are hundreds of videos up there they’re all on islam and i um they’re also not only are they

[00:01:21] doing apologetics so defending against the attacks against islam but i also go on the offense which is polemics so i do

[00:01:27] both apologetics and polemics uh there’s material up there even today i’ve just put up one yesterday you’ll see some more new stuff all the stuff

[00:01:33] that i’m introducing today in this broadcast is already up on fander films

[00:01:38] that’s fantastic you know i um the first time i got turned to you on i’m an apologist a teacher i teach 12th grade students at

[00:01:44] a christian high school and we cover islam and i was looking for stuff on islam and i ran across you

[00:01:50] outside of a mosque in london um debating with people and i thought whoa this guy

[00:01:55] is nuts he’s just he is he’s uh nothing’s holding him back he’s out there in front of everybody

[00:02:01] i mean you have kind of a unique ministry it’s not something that everybody goes out and does what caused you to decide to go

[00:02:07] out and get out in front of mosques in london and start um basically arguing with muslims about

[00:02:14] whether the quran was true or not okay that’s what you’re talking about i think is speaker’s corner am i correct

[00:02:19] yeah speaker’s corner yeah speaker’s corner is unique in the world the reason i was at speaker’s corner i lived in london for 25 years i went

[00:02:26] there in 1992 because of the growing radicalization of islam in britain and they needed help

[00:02:32] and i said listen i have a master’s degree i didn’t have my doctor at that time both in apologetics and another master’s

[00:02:37] degree in islamics i thought i knew all the answers to every question little did i know

[00:02:42] how little i knew and when i went there in 1992 i went i made a b-line for speaker’s corner for

[00:02:48] those of you who don’t know anything about it if you ever go to london make sure you’re there on a sunday go down to speaker’s corner it’s right

[00:02:54] there at hyde park and there are hundreds of muslims sometimes thousands of muslims uh they’re they dominate the corner

[00:03:00] right now and i would go down there and there would be about 10 different muslim speakers up on ladders these little kitchen ladders

[00:03:06] these a-frame ladders that you have in the kitchen just so they can get their head above the crowd and there would be sometimes 20 30 50

[00:03:13] talibas disciples all around them there were no christians on ladders at that time in the afternoon on sunday afternoons

[00:03:19] so i was one of the only christians down there and i would go and i make a beeline for these groups and i try to

[00:03:24] elbow my way and try to get into the center and then i just throw questions at the imams or the chefs or these marabous

[00:03:31] or whatever they whatever they call themselves and they it was in about two now 1994 i came

[00:03:37] across some brand new material some of which i’m going to introduce today so we’re talking over 25 years ago

[00:03:43] and i started introducing it in in 1995 so that’s 25 years ago at speaker’s corner

[00:03:48] and i just started asking some historical questions the same kind of questions we asked in our bible you know where is the earliest quran

[00:03:54] show me where these manuscripts are why is it you don’t have any original who is this man named muhammad when did he exist how could we can’t

[00:04:00] find anything written about him in the 7th century why is there no reference to people called muslims no reference to a

[00:04:06] religion called islam why is there no reference to any city called mecca and there’s no reference to a man named muhammad until 690 yet supposedly he

[00:04:13] died in 632 and why is it everything we know about islam comes from men like ibn hisham

[00:04:19] al-bukhari muslims who are these people these are the islamic traditions that don’t even appear to the 9th and 10th

[00:04:25] century 2 to 300 years later these are the kind of questions i was asking way back in 1995 and i got beat up i got

[00:04:33] knocked to the ground i had my glasses broken finally the police came to me and they said you’ve got to get on a ladder we’ve got to see you at all times

[00:04:39] for your own safety yeah so i started getting on the ladder back in ninth this is about this is the spring of 1995 i

[00:04:45] never got off because once you’re on the ladder you have a lot more control now kevin here’s the problem i don’t

[00:04:51] know if you’ve gone to seminary or if you’ve gone to bible school but they don’t treat you they don’t teach you in homiletics or certainly how to how to

[00:04:58] speak from a ladder with a hostile crowd in front of you no you’re tough when you’re taught homiletics we’re taught

[00:05:04] to give a three-point sermon to people who actually love you and actually still agree with you and usually nod their head

[00:05:09] and usually keep quiet while you’re speaking that’s not the case at speaker’s corner i went to biola i went to biola and i i

[00:05:16] have a master’s degree in apologetics and you’re right there was no class like that and i you know what i’m going to suggest

[00:05:22] to my professors that they start a class like that because uh that’s incredible i mean did you make headway there i mean was it

[00:05:28] just a constant shouting battle was there actually progress made or how do you when you reflect on what you’ve done for

[00:05:34] 25 years would you have done it differently or you believe this is the way this is what god has called me to do and i

[00:05:40] i did what i was supposed to do kevin i i don’t know how to answer that i say as far as headway yes absolutely if

[00:05:46] you go into the speaker’s corner now today my team is still there hatunta she is the one that legit she is a turkish lady

[00:05:52] she gets up and she just got beat up on sunday uh knocked unconscious i don’t know if you’ve heard about that but no

[00:05:58] she that’s just happened last sunday now she is putting up muhammad cartoons those

[00:06:03] charlie hebdo cartoons she’s been doing that for almost a month and a half and she’s also put up a crown with holes

[00:06:08] drilled through it that she’s drilled because of this discussion we’re going to talk about now very provocative but

[00:06:13] it’s the only place on earth you can do it that’s why we use speaker’s corner it’s the only place where you can say anything you want and

[00:06:19] you can confront muhammad and you can confront the quran and you can confront their god you can’t do that anywhere else on any university

[00:06:26] campus not in britain at least but you can at speaker’s corner so that’s why it was my laboratory it was the place

[00:06:31] where i field tested all my newest material and heard the best and the brightest coming from them so i would say yes i

[00:06:37] would always if anybody if those of you at biology i would say spend a team there

[00:06:42] send a team down on summer times go to speaker’s corner and challenge them to see if they can get on a ladder and last

[00:06:48] 45 minutes because what we have found now remember when i said i started in 1992. there

[00:06:53] were about maybe 10 or 12 different muslim speakers there now if you go to speaker’s corner there is not

[00:06:59] even one speaker we’ve shut down all the speakers we did pull them down physically we just completely shut them down because of all

[00:07:05] this newest material all this news material where we’re now confronting them at their foundations

[00:07:10] this kind of material historical criticism redacted criticism source criticism

[00:07:16] literary criticism textual criticism these were all done in the bible we’re now applying those very same criticisms

[00:07:21] on the quran and that’s why today 2020 is a benchmark year probably for me this is what i’m going to

[00:07:27] remember about this year you’re going to remember it for the pandemic you’re going to remember for the elections coming up next week i’m going to

[00:07:32] remember because we have finally where in my lifetime was finally destroying the quran and all we’re doing is using textual

[00:07:39] criticism that’s amazing and uh so so when you say we shut all those speakers down what

[00:07:45] you’re saying is they have no response to the arguments you’re putting up against the quran is that what is that what you’re saying

[00:07:50] yeah these speakers who really had a ready crowd and no one ever confronted them no one ever critiqued them had never heard

[00:07:56] this kind of material now i’m not going to take singularity credit for the fact that they all left the fact is that they could not stand on

[00:08:02] the on the ladder and take kind of questions that we were giving them because they had no answer see islam has

[00:08:07] never done what we’ve done to our bible they’ve never done that to the koran islam has never done to their prophet what we’ve done to jesus christ

[00:08:13] they have not ever asked the most important questions and that is is there a man named muhammad who lived

[00:08:19] in the seventh century who lived in a place called mecca who received the book called the quran that’s a simple question to ask that’s a

[00:08:25] historical question now and every muslim should have an answer to that and what i the question i always ask them is

[00:08:31] don’t just give me what is the ninth and tenth century traditions are telling you i want you to give me something from the seventh

[00:08:36] century that proves that that man existed in the seventh century that proves that he lived in a place called mecca that proves that he received a book

[00:08:42] called the quran just any quran i would love to give me to any quran from the 7th century that’s all i’m asking

[00:08:48] isn’t that a pretty simple question to ask isn’t that pretty important question to ask absolutely and it’s something that we’ve

[00:08:53] been dealing with with the bible forever we’ve been constantly been attacked on okay where are the earliest manuscripts how many

[00:08:59] manuscripts do you have where are the manuscripts you know all this sort of stuff and so um that’s amazing that you’ve taken that

[00:09:04] position and so when you say i mean we we titled this show um you know the demise of the

[00:09:09] quran the fall of the quran and when you say that what exactly do you mean from a practical standpoint what are you

[00:09:15] saying and here we go yeah let me just go ahead and get you up to speed because there’s an awful lot of your listeners won’t know what i’m talking about

[00:09:21] and to understand what i’m going to say next you need to go and see what the muslims claim here is the quran right here this is

[00:09:26] this is the quran that they use all over the world this is called the huffs quran you’ll see why it’s called the huff’s

[00:09:31] quran it’s h-a-f-s very small i keep it small because i want to make sure it’s always smaller than my bible

[00:09:36] but this is the authoritative correct now according to every muslim whether they are radical whether they

[00:09:42] are not possibly not not the liberals but the nominals and the radicals so you’re talking about 99.9

[00:09:48] of all muslims will say that this book is eternal we don’t say that about the bible they

[00:09:54] will say that this book has always existed it’s uncreated it’s coexisted with allah has always been up there in heaven they will say

[00:10:00] that it was sent down over a 22-year period between 610 and 632 to a man named muhammad first in mecca

[00:10:07] and then medina so two different cities two different sections of the quran basically split it in half the first section is

[00:10:13] medina the second hex section would be meccan so it kind of goes backwards but nonetheless they would say that that happened and

[00:10:19] then it was then finalized written down in its final form in 652 under the

[00:10:24] auspices or authority of the third caliph name uthman yeah so mid 7th century basically just for 20 years after muhammad died it was

[00:10:31] written down in its final form and that that book has never changed not one word not one letter has changed

[00:10:38] since it was written down not one word not one letter every muslim knows now the quran makes these claims

[00:10:45] it’s in the quran this is internal to the quran eternality that’s in chapter 85 verse 22. as far as it not been changing not one

[00:10:52] word not letter being changed that’s in chapter 15 verse 9. that’s in chapter 10

[00:10:57] verse 15 and that’s in chapter 18 verse 27. so those are uh 10 verse 15 and 18 27

[00:11:05] say nobody can change the word of god therefore it has it is not open to human changing there are no deletions no

[00:11:11] corrections no uh creations can happen it cannot be corrupted that’s the claim it makes there god will

[00:11:16] say allah will sustain it allah will sustain it therefore he protect no that comes in chapter 15

[00:11:22] verse nine okay that’s in chapter 15 verse nine where allah the reason why it can’t be changed is because allah will

[00:11:27] guard it allah will guard it so that’s why the quran has made that claim muslims have no other choice but to then

[00:11:34] appropriate that claim and that’s why every muslim says that if it is uh and basically what it’s

[00:11:39] saying is this book is almost magical it has always existed

[00:11:44] if this is the case there’s no room for any man or woman to make one letter change one

[00:11:50] word change and that’s why they all make this claim they all make this claim and that’s been their undoing because we

[00:11:57] would never make those claims about the bible it turned out latino the bible we know who wrote the bible we know when they

[00:12:03] wrote the bible many of the books of the bible are we put the names of the author’s name on it written by men inspired by god but written by men as

[00:12:10] far as uh saying that it was written out we know that where the original we know with the times the dates we don’t have any of the

[00:12:17] original battery monographs we don’t have any of the original autographs we don’t we know that we make that we we are we admit that from the get-go

[00:12:24] yeah as far as changing we know there have been changes we know that when it’s overwritten by

[00:12:29] men and copies of copies of copies of copies anytime you start making copies of copies you can get all kinds of changes that will

[00:12:34] that will accrete in and that’s why we know that mark chapter 16 verse 9 to 20 it’s not in the original i’m sorry

[00:12:40] in the earliest greek manuscripts it could be part of the originals and that’s a big debate that’s ongoing john chapter 7 verse 53 john 8 verse 11

[00:12:48] we know there that that there that story of the woman called him adultery is not in the early discrete manuscripts

[00:12:53] so we know that these are open to changes but they were talking about only 40 verses 40 verses

[00:12:59] in the entire new testament that are even suspect and the reason we keep those verses in there is because there’s

[00:13:04] no there they don’t say anything different there’s no new doctrine that has already spoken so we would never make those four claims

[00:13:11] about the bible that they make about the quran now if that’s the case kevin then can you see here’s the

[00:13:17] problem if muslims start from the position that this book has eternality it is

[00:13:23] it can never be touched by human human hands anywhere in the last 1400 years

[00:13:29] then all we need to ask is okay let’s just ask some very simple questions and here’s the first question that we’ve been asking and that i’ve

[00:13:34] been asking since uh for the last 25 years i i s my first debate that i had was in 1995 at cambridge university with dr

[00:13:41] jamal badawi the world leading scholar authority in the english language on the quran and so he and i debated for two hours

[00:13:47] at trinity college at cambridge university and i gave 10 historical challenge amongst them was

[00:13:52] this challenge where is your original manuscript where is the original man did you claim that this is from uthman where is the

[00:13:58] uthmanic text you claim it i don’t claim it you claim it and of course he couldn’t answer because nobody can answer now the we have an

[00:14:05] answer that was 1995. there was some studies done on the 10 they well let’s put the six major

[00:14:12] manuscripts that muslims claim are the earliest spanish scripts the topkapa which is in

[00:14:17] istanbul uh the samarkand uh the or the sana man i’m sorry that’s samarkand manuscript which is in

[00:14:23] uzbekistan uzbekistan the manuscript which is the british library in london uh the metropolitan manuscript which is

[00:14:30] in the bibliotheque nationale in paris the husseini manuscript which is there in cairo in egypt

[00:14:35] and the most important one the sanaa manuscript which is in sana in yemen those are the six major manuscripts and this these two scholars both of

[00:14:42] turkish they’re both muslim alta college and it is they both

[00:14:47] studied these six manuscripts for five years came up with the results of their study in 2009

[00:14:53] and it was printed in english in 2014 2013

[00:14:58] i have it right here somewhere here it is right here this is just the introduction to that i’ve got actually

[00:15:05] the entire manuscript right over there if i should bring it up it’s called the this is the whole

[00:15:10] english translation of what their findings were i was given this in 2014 and i was goffs

[00:15:16] back by what they were saying what they were saying and this is the only study that’s been done all these manuscripts is that not one of these manuscripts

[00:15:22] from the seventh century not one wow muhammad died in 632 well

[00:15:27] they start to appear in 705. that’s the metropolis manuscript probably the oldest one in the sanaa manuscript

[00:15:33] probably 705. now there’s an under layer there’s a it’s a polymes so there’s another layer underneath it

[00:15:39] which is actually probably from the last two decades of the seventh century the time above the malik but it does not agree with the upper

[00:15:45] layer they now at that time when i first heard this i didn’t know that no one had studied it yet that has now just been studied and the

[00:15:50] study has now come out in print in 2017. so we’re just talking about three years ago we now have found that the two bat the

[00:15:58] two layers of the mountain don’t agree with each other this is the lower layer it has about 70 verses

[00:16:03] with sorry 63 verses with 70 different variants that means words and phrases

[00:16:08] that are different than the upper layer and that is even different from the quran i have in my hand today what’s more it’s not much of the quran

[00:16:16] isn’t it if with only 63 verses there’s over 6 000 verses in the quran what’s more than that when you look at

[00:16:21] the other manuscripts like the petropolis or the smaller or the samarkand none of these are complete the topkapi

[00:16:26] is the best one amongst them the top copy the one that’s in istanbul we have now just been told that that is datejust 740 it’s about 740 to 750

[00:16:34] mid 8th century that’s a whole hundred years after muhammad it has 2270 manuscript variants

[00:16:41] that means words and phrases that are different in that manner skipped in the quran we have in our hand today in fact we cannot find one manuscript

[00:16:47] that is complete in the 7th century or in the 8th century or the 9th century we can’t even find a complete manuscript

[00:16:53] by the 10th century so where is this notion that the quran is complete and unchanged not one word not one letter has been

[00:16:59] changed but then then then this is what really got damaging one of my colleagues her name would like to mention her name earlier hathuntosh

[00:17:07] she was in morocco i don’t give her the name of the country she was in a country in northern africa uh you already could get from what i

[00:17:13] just said and she was teaching down there and she wanted to go into a bookstore to get an arabic quran because she will want that for her students

[00:17:20] so she walked into a bookstore and she asked the man there at the counter can you give me an arabic quran and he says what what quran

[00:17:27] which one are you talking about she said hold on a minute now see hatuntas is turkish and she used to be a muslim her father is a

[00:17:33] well-known imam in turkey so she has grown up her whole life living in imam’s family so she knew good and well that

[00:17:38] there’s only one quran yeah you don’t ask that question you certainly don’t say which quran there has ever only ever been one quran

[00:17:46] and that’s the uthmanic quran that was created in 652 by uthman who was written down by zaidibin

[00:17:51] the secretary of muhammad who received it from muhammad before he died so when he said which quran she almost

[00:17:57] did a double take she what do you mean which quran he says well we have kaloon we have wash we have half

[00:18:03] we have even katie we have it even amir and she said what wait wait wait just give me all of them

[00:18:09] so he just they only cost about a dollar to two dollars there in that north african town so she said

[00:18:14] so she came back with about six of these back to london and she showed me to them she said jay what are these

[00:18:20] and i started laughing because i’d heard about this these are called kidnaps these are called different readings

[00:18:26] different readings they’re all arabic but they are read differently depending on where you

[00:18:32] put the dots in the vowels now i had heard about this when i was in seminary when i was under dr dudley

[00:18:37] woodbury he remember hearing about it but i didn’t know there were any kid arts today existing today i thought these had all been dumped into

[00:18:43] the nile in 1924 when they finally came up with this one this is the huffs

[00:18:48] quran this is the canonical quran this is the final quran 96 years ago they chose this one as the

[00:18:54] final text 946 years ago can you see a problem right there yeah it’s huge and i was under the

[00:19:03] i was under the impression that um quick question real uh you know i i’ve studied a little not

[00:19:09] nearly as much as you but i was under the impression that uthman i heard this from a um a book i read a long time ago in which

[00:19:16] he said that uh all the variants were wiped out by uthman and then he consolidated into one and this was a big

[00:19:23] problem was that uh these had been what these other variants had been wiped out and that showed that

[00:19:28] there was a problem that’s everybody volume six uh book number 61 heidi’s number 509

[00:19:35] n510 so that’s exactly where you got it from that’s part of the tradition that’s what al buhari wrote

[00:19:40] in 870. look at the date 870 when muhammad died 632 how many years between 240 years

[00:19:48] later al-buhari says that there were these muslims who were up in

[00:19:54] azerbaijan they were fighting with other muslims from syria and iraq and these guys were from medina

[00:19:59] they’re in the hijabs in central arabia and after the end of the fight they went to the mosque and they started reciting the quran

[00:20:05] and suddenly these medians said hold on and they start they heard a completely different quran not the quran that they had memorized

[00:20:10] not the quran that they knew and they started fighting with them fisticuffs and hudaifah the head of that

[00:20:16] came back down to medina he was absolutely angry he went to utman the caliph at that time and says what are we

[00:20:21] going to do we must not do what the christians have done and have many different qurans like they have different bibles we must have just have

[00:20:27] one quran and so therefore he demanded that uthman rewrite the quran in 652 in the quraishi

[00:20:33] dialect that’s the dialect of the people in medina and in mecca in central arabia and

[00:20:38] utman did it that’s why uthman did this then he went and got all those other quran so hold on a minute didn’t

[00:20:44] even know the quran was written that early nonetheless he got all those other qurans in syria and iraq those were they were from syria

[00:20:50] damascus kufa which is today just south uh west of baghdad and basar which is their

[00:20:56] uh their uh they’re in both them in iraq so two in iraq one in syria and he took all those qurans and

[00:21:02] he burned them and that’s in buhari volume six book number 61 hadith

[00:21:08] number five ten five one zero so that all happened in 652 right but he didn’t just stop there

[00:21:13] he then took that qurayshi quran that zaidim tabit had made for him written in the quraishi dialect

[00:21:18] and he sent it out to five cities one copy to five cities one in medina one in mecca over to basra

[00:21:25] up to ba akufa and then way up to damascus so five cities that’s all they had were these

[00:21:30] kodeshi dialects this kodeshikai so it was just one quran right all the others have been destroyed so

[00:21:36] we’re told right yeah then what are these right here

[00:21:41] i have no idea each one of these is a different quran here you have wash here you have kaloon

[00:21:47] here you have ibm here you have immigration here you have el kasai here you have here we have shoba i just bought these

[00:21:52] you can buy these online in august two months ago every one of these is in arabic every

[00:21:58] one of these is from somebody in the eighth to ninth century every one of these is different not two of them are the same yet those are

[00:22:05] all arabic qurans so is this that’s yeah that’s crazy so is this um is this new information or

[00:22:12] i mean you said that hey the fall of the quran is in 2020 what’s going on here um okay hold on

[00:22:18] yeah is this new information this is the earliest of these this is what we know as

[00:22:23] these are different qurans written in arabic there’s the arabic they all have dots they all have vowels every one of

[00:22:29] them is arabic none of these are translations they all have 114 surahs they all have

[00:22:34] 6623 verses but they all have different words and different letters

[00:22:40] and why is that well this one was written in 736 muhammad died in 632 right

[00:22:48] so this is over 100 years later and this is the earliest this is the first one to be written this is the very first one to be written

[00:22:55] then you have here ibn kathir 738 two years later

[00:23:02] 805. hello 8 44. kaloon 835 wash eight so now you’re into the

[00:23:07] 9th century these qurans start to get written in 736 in the 8th century

[00:23:13] and they continue to be written right through the 8th century up until the 9th century finally by the 10th century 936 a guy

[00:23:20] named ibn mujahid realizes there’s a problem there’s just too many qurans so he chooses seven he chooses seven

[00:23:28] and this is what i was going to use these are the seven right here that he chooses

[00:23:36] those are the seven that he chooses right this you can get in wikipedia this is nothing new just go for it

[00:23:41] in wikipedia and you’ll see the same list here now that was in that was in 936 and those are known as

[00:23:47] the seven holy qurans but they don’t even get written down until 7 36 and they go and continue

[00:23:53] all the way up until 805 so that’s the that’s the 9th century

[00:23:58] however there were many more than that oh there were tens oh hundreds more than that were

[00:24:04] being written and the reason why is that when arabic existed in the seventh century when supposedly

[00:24:11] the quran was first written it only had 16 letters and there are so many different ways to read it that no

[00:24:16] one knew what they were reading so they had to quickly start introducing dots five dots and three vowels the dhamma

[00:24:24] the kasra and the fatta dharma is the u sound the kassara is the e sound the fatta is the

[00:24:30] uh those are the three vowels that they had to introduce those were introduced in the 8th century

[00:24:36] that’s why you then have these guys starting to write the quran because if you have five dots and three vowels

[00:24:41] you can have such a variety of different words if you just take three letters with just

[00:24:47] a a bowl shape after three letters which most of the letters in arabic are bold shaped

[00:24:52] and you put one dot above that one that’s enough two dots above the next one is a top three bots above the next one is a

[00:24:57] thought one dot below is above two dots is a yeah yeah you can get five different letters depending on where you put the dots with

[00:25:04] every one of those letters on top of that you can put different vowels down my costume and fourth and every one of them and as a result you

[00:25:09] can have such a variety that just with three letters next to each other you can have 33 different words

[00:25:15] wow so now multiply that times sentences multiply that time sentences where you have maybe 10

[00:25:22] 20 30 words and you can see variation after very there were thousands of variations

[00:25:27] so they had to they had oh according to the latest statistics and see we’re just learning this as we go because we’re getting this all from

[00:25:33] history but it’s over a thousand year old history we they had as many as 700 different qurans by the time

[00:25:39] finally that a guy named a guy named al jazidi in 1429 sorry

[00:25:46] sorry yeah 1429 decided to bring it down to just 30. and these are the 30 right here you have

[00:25:53] 10 official readers and each one of them has two transmitters or students who then

[00:25:58] are known as the reward these are that’s the arabic word these are the the students that come

[00:26:04] from the readers these are the ten official readers and every one of these are students but not one of the students agrees with

[00:26:09] the readers not one of them not one of them agrees in fact we’ve just looked at 23 of these 30 and we’ve

[00:26:16] already found 93 000 differences 93 000 different words 93

[00:26:23] different letters 93 000 different ways of reading it that changed the theology that changed the practice

[00:26:29] that changed the doctrine over and over and over again now can you see now stop right there kevin you have been told all your life that

[00:26:36] this book is eternal you’ve been told all your life that there’s only one quran you’ve been told all your life that that’s what we

[00:26:42] have in our hand today has never been changed for 1400 years not one word not one letter is changed

[00:26:47] right you’ve been told that and everybody has heard that now we when hutton started discovering this she

[00:26:54] started looking for many others and she started going all over the place and she came up with 26 of them here they all here these are 26

[00:27:00] she came with just 26 in 2016. four years ago she found 26

[00:27:06] of them she went to yemen to jordan to morocco countries like that we went down to

[00:27:12] speaker’s corner and held them up and you can go up on founder films you can see what happened this is just a picture from that holding

[00:27:18] them up we just held them up for everybody to see in june of 2016 so we’re talking about

[00:27:24] four years ago we held them all up and muslims were absolutely incensed

[00:27:29] in the crowd was a very tall man named muhammad hijab this is his picture right here he’s this guy right here this guy i don’t know if

[00:27:35] you can see him the guy that’s muhammad job he is very big on the internet right now he has a

[00:27:41] youtube following i think of around 370 000 huge so he’s a big name on the internet he

[00:27:47] was in the crowd and he was there trying to confront us and he saw us hold up these qurans

[00:27:52] he immediately left the crowd and he started yelling all the muslims to leave come away come away don’t don’t go there

[00:27:59] come here come to me come to me he was saying they all came to him

[00:28:04] he says don’t look at what they’re showing you and don’t listen to what they were saying now that’s the first time he had seen

[00:28:11] another quran he had been told all his life there’s only one crime that happened four years ago

[00:28:16] let’s now jump to june 8th 2020. now we come to this year june 8 2020 you could see he went

[00:28:23] through a crisis of faith back there in 2016. i would go through a crisis faith you would go through a crisis of faith

[00:28:29] sure this man here this is thai man is doctor yasudi he is one of the considered to one of

[00:28:34] the most authoritative clerics in islam in the uh probably in islam today

[00:28:40] he is from houston texas he is an american he comes from pakistani background he has an american accent he got his phd

[00:28:47] at yale university on the quran 25 years ago he heard the same thing

[00:28:53] that muhammad hijab heard there at speaker’s corner he heard it at yale university

[00:28:58] he went through a crisis of faith so muhammad hid job now comes to him on june 8 on youtube

[00:29:03] they both have their own channels yasakandi has 370 000 subscribers on his channel

[00:29:11] and so here you have two different muslims from two different areas of islam one is muhammad hijab over here he is

[00:29:18] from what i would call the populist part of islam the radical form of islam this is about 99

[00:29:23] of all muslims around the world this is the orthodox islam this is the the the ortho islam that exists

[00:29:29] primarily outside the united states and outside the west and he represents that islam yes over on

[00:29:35] this side he is from the west he is an academic he got his phd at yale university

[00:29:41] so he is highly respected he lives in academia he lives in america and he should have the answers because

[00:29:48] why because he got his phd in this area so you have two different muslims representing two different spheres of

[00:29:54] islam popular academic right eastern western and he’s asked he asked them in

[00:30:01] this interview now this interview is about an hour and 45 minutes but about an hour and 16 minutes into

[00:30:06] the interview muhammad hijab asks him this he says what about these kid kirats

[00:30:13] means readings what are we going to do about these readings immediately yasakari recoils

[00:30:20] just do not ask me this question we do not talk about this in public do

[00:30:26] not fill me with this question please do not fill me this is not a question we should ask

[00:30:32] muhammad hijab says hold on a minute this should be an easy answer which which one of the 30. i only have

[00:30:38] 10 here which one of the 30 exists in heaven which one of these qurans was revealed

[00:30:43] to muhammad which one was actually written by uthman in 652 which is the quran that is eternal which

[00:30:50] is the quran that is the same all last fourteen hundred years which is it jessica

[00:30:55] says this is something we don’t talk about in public don’t ask me this now take my class take

[00:31:02] my class and we will do a deep dive and then you can ask me this question

[00:31:08] muhammad hijab was not satisfied with that he said this should be an easy easy question and then he held out his

[00:31:14] hands and says i’m gonna give you a black sheet here what are you going to write on it will

[00:31:19] it be wash will it would it be hafs which one which one of these 30 this is the official

[00:31:24] thirty which one are you gonna write yasaka would not answer he says i will not answer that he says

[00:31:29] and then muhammad says is this what caused you a crisis of faith back at yale university 25 years ago in 1995

[00:31:37] just got no no no he said no no no this did not cause me a crisis of faith it was a crisis of

[00:31:42] knowledge do you love the distinction there not faith but knowledge he says i am absolutely

[00:31:49] sure that the quran is the word of god i am absolutely sure that it is guarded i am absolutely sure

[00:31:55] that it is preserved i am absolutely really sure that the tawa terrier is absolutely authoritative that i do

[00:32:00] not have one doubt that the quran that we have on our hand today is the quran that is in heaven and he just went into this mantra

[00:32:06] this is the mantra this is the call i call this the islamic dance he went into this dance where he just started dancing the same thing that he

[00:32:13] has been told since he was jay high to a grasshopper and they don’t want and they they do this dance any time you ask this question

[00:32:19] and then he said we have a respect for the koran we muslims and we have a line

[00:32:26] a red line beyond which we don’t go we only go so far we don’t ask any questions after that

[00:32:33] but when i was at yale university there is no red line you can ask any question you want that’s

[00:32:40] what it’s like here in the west he said here in the west they have become they have come leaps and bounds they

[00:32:45] know a lot more than they did a hundred years ago and now we can no longer get away with

[00:32:50] that and then he turned to muhammad hijab and he says islam has

[00:32:56] holes in its narrative there are holes in the narrative that

[00:33:01] you’re talking about these holes and the western world is looking at us like the emperor with no clothes i

[00:33:07] couldn’t have written it better if i had written that script yasakadi was finally admitting to

[00:33:14] muhammad hijab on camera that the quran has holds in it that the holes are and these holes kevin

[00:33:21] go all the way back to the eighth century this is over a thousand years they’ve had these qurans for over a thousand years they’ve

[00:33:28] not known which how to deal with this because which one of these quran is the official quran

[00:33:34] which one can you see what’s happening yeah so so what happened was what

[00:33:40] happened was this and this is how we ended it finally after 25 minutes of insisting he finally

[00:33:45] felt asked the second time i’m going to hold a blank sheet of paper which one of these get outs which one of

[00:33:50] these are you going to write in here which one joseph kady finally said at the very end

[00:33:56] of the interview they are all the quran oh man

[00:34:02] they are all the koran all 93 000 differences are the crop just look at these two right here these

[00:34:08] are the two most popular ones in the world today these are the two most popular this is

[00:34:13] the huffs that i have in my right hand this is the wash that i have in my left hand the huffs

[00:34:18] is now the official quran that has been dictated that has been chosen in 1934 in cairo in egypt was then chosen for

[00:34:25] all of egypt in 1936 and was chosen for the whole world by king fod in saudi arabia

[00:34:30] in 1985. we’re talking only 35 years ago this became the official quran that’s only 35 years old

[00:34:37] this quran is still being used all over north africa they won’t use this one they only use this one

[00:34:42] it’s called the quran because it comes from cairo in egypt look at these two qurans and there are 5

[00:34:48] 000 differences just between these two qurans 5 000 differences different are they

[00:34:54] significant differences because some you know in christianity we have different manuscripts and all and we say

[00:34:59] hey you know these aren’t significant differences stop talking like a christian remember

[00:35:05] can you even ask that question as a muslim no you can’t because it’s supposed to be

[00:35:10] yeah it’s supposed to be eternal it’s supposed to be word for word absolutely you’re not supposed to ask that question what do you mean

[00:35:16] are they significant the fact that they have even different words and different and different letters

[00:35:22] destroys everything the quran says about itself and everything muslims have been saying for 1400 years but

[00:35:28] to answer your question absolutely but who has looked at those differences show me one muslims that’s done a

[00:35:34] comparative because how were these kidnaps chosen now how do you choose a bible today how

[00:35:39] do you choose a manuscript that comes plopped in your lap and suddenly you see an old manuscript that is probably coming from the second

[00:35:46] or third or four let’s say let’s say you receive the city atticus what’s the first thing you do with the sinaiticus when it comes to your house

[00:35:52] or it comes to your museum or comes to your school you open it up right yeah sure and then

[00:35:57] what do you do next well you begin to get somebody who’s going to be able to interpret it and

[00:36:02] read it and okay hold on so somebody has to know the language and what does that person know like what do they do next well

[00:36:10] there going to be criticism no no no you do a textual analysis of

[00:36:16] the text before you do any translation you’ve got to see whether or not that really is the

[00:36:21] bible and how do you do that you compare that text with a earlier text or the uh what we now know

[00:36:28] is the texas receptus you go with that which is authorized by the church as the final text because we don’t have

[00:36:34] the original so you go to the earliest one that’s why when the latin vulgate when they when in 1800 when tischendorf and sleeper like

[00:36:41] him discovered the sinaiticus and they discovered the alexandrinus and they discovered the vaticanus these three

[00:36:46] petrol in the manuscript they’re all written in greek the first thing they did is to compare them with the latin vulcan and they

[00:36:51] found that there were differences these 40 verses were indifferent that’s why they realized that these were much earlier these were from

[00:36:57] the fourth and fifth century a.d therefore they became then big they became the texas receptors or you might

[00:37:03] say they became the the the codices that were then used as for to compare all the other ones

[00:37:09] that came later and that’s exactly what you’re supposed to do with these right these all come later am i correct

[00:37:14] yeah well so if you have a reader and you have a student should the first thing you do is open up

[00:37:20] what the students saying and compare it with what the reader is saying okay okay or shouldn’t you go to an

[00:37:27] earlier manuscript should you go to the earliest manuscript like the top copy or the samarkand or the mail or the housing

[00:37:32] because they’re all a century earlier sorry they’re all 40 to 50 years earlier

[00:37:37] shouldn’t you go to the earliest manuscript and do a comparison with them okay yeah so and so they one page was

[00:37:45] opened not one letter was read not one word was read not one sentence was read so how did

[00:37:51] they choose these different different get outs this is just 10 of 30. i don’t know what do they do this is

[00:37:58] brand new for you kevin this is what no one’s ever heard in fact i didn’t even know this prior to june this part that i’m telling you

[00:38:04] has all come out from a scholar named dr shadi nassar out of harvard university who is finally writing this up and he’s

[00:38:10] going back to all the he’s going back to the eighth ninth 10th 11th century and he’s actually exposing

[00:38:16] he’s a muslim himself he’s exposing exactly what happened every one of these was chosen not by

[00:38:21] textual uh credibility not by textual authority they didn’t even open a page to look at it they didn’t even know that there were

[00:38:28] differences they were chosen because of how many students they had they were chosen by popularity or in

[00:38:35] some cases like this guy here was he was chosen because he came from from uh

[00:38:40] cairo in egypt because they needed somebody from kyrie in egypt so they chose his text

[00:38:47] equal i mean what is what is this doing to um i mean you just said that there’s a muslim scholar that’s

[00:38:53] studying this that’s exposing this he’s a muslim himself but isn’t this undermining his own faith

[00:38:59] i i mean what’s happening to these these muslims if okay you know they’re coming this is what happened kevin

[00:39:04] that was on june 8th right that that happened within a week they put them up they put that interview

[00:39:09] up on both their channel both of their channels i immediately heard about it the very that very same day

[00:39:15] so did david wood who has a he has a subscription of over 500 000 he has the largest in the christian world and so did alfa

[00:39:22] so did hatuntas the four of us who were working on on the quran we all heard about it we

[00:39:27] islamic islam critique calling from islamic critique was the first he told he said hey guys have you seen this

[00:39:33] interview you’ve got to look at this interview grab it so i grabbed it and i immediately put up a half hour

[00:39:39] unpacking of everything they’re saying and that’s still up there you can go see tens of thousands i don’t know how many 50 000 people have watched that already

[00:39:46] since june 8. now what that happened was muslims started hearing about it because we were starting to tell over the world

[00:39:52] world have you seen this they’re finally admitting that there is not one quran they’re finally admitting that all third

[00:39:57] thirty qurans are the quran they’re finally admitting that all ninety three thousand differences are all of the quran

[00:40:02] they’re finding remitting that these qurans only begin to appear in the eighth century not one of them is from the seventh century not one of them

[00:40:08] agrees with each other not one of them agrees with the quran we have today that they’re all different and this was all done in that interview

[00:40:14] by within a week they had to start all the comments yeah this is jonathan

[00:40:19] this is within a week of june 8 with so just a week after june 8 both muhammad hijab

[00:40:24] and yasakari had to shut down all the comments because they were getting thousands of comments from muslims who

[00:40:31] were absolutely livid with them saying you are going to be dependent on my salvation or your if the blood is on

[00:40:36] your shoulders for me leaving islam i’m leaving islam because of this because we have never heard a man of your stature saying that there

[00:40:43] is not one quran that there are many qurans and not not one of them is the same that you’re not to ask this question

[00:40:48] that you must ask me ask me in private don’t ask me this question and that for a thousand years this has

[00:40:53] been a problem and you have still not solved it and you he that that happened to him that crisis happened to him back in 1995

[00:40:59] we’re out in 2020 and he still could not answer it until he finally says they’re all the koran every one of them all 30 of them the

[00:41:05] quran so by the time by one month within two months i’m sorry within two months

[00:41:10] so we’re talking about uh july august by the beginning of august both muhammad hijab and yasadi had to

[00:41:17] delete that interview from their youtube sites now is that still accessible or is that is that is that

[00:41:24] still accessible or is that not is it gone you’ve got it what do you think why do you think we grab these immediately

[00:41:30] we’ve got all that i’ve got all the the entire 25 minutes i’ve got and we’re going to just

[00:41:36] keep reminding muslims we’re going to keep reminding muslims that you’ve got a hole in your narrative

[00:41:41] that’s now that’s now the the signature piece holds a narrative is that is that discussion that happened

[00:41:47] between these two gentlemen right here they finally admitted on that now let’s now jump into what’s happened

[00:41:54] in london what’s now happening all over the world because hatuntas who is the one that really introduced this problem

[00:42:00] back in 2016 she and i were the ones that introduced it all around the world which caused an enormous amount of

[00:42:06] backlash against her uh she has now been beaten up a few times in london outside

[00:42:12] of london and then just on sunday she finally got knocked unconscious uh and they’re gonna the police i’ve

[00:42:18] already told her that they can no longer protect her it’s getting too dangerous for her well she’s she’s doing two things

[00:42:24] simultaneously she’s not only holding up the qurans she’s also trolling up the charlie hebdo cartoons simultaneously

[00:42:30] she’s been doing this for about six weeks and uh you can see we’ve made it yeah we need to carry her yeah

[00:42:37] that’s amazing that she hasn’t uh that that she’s still alive honestly uh seems incredible

[00:42:43] to me why is it that at that corner you’re able to have that dialogue but nowhere else in the world you’re able to have

[00:42:49] that what what why do they allow why do muslims allow that those conversations to take place oh

[00:42:55] muslims would love to shut that down that’s why they’re beating her up that’s why we’ve been beaten up i’ve gone beaten up many times down the corner

[00:43:01] in the 1990s especially but the speaker’s corner is a bastion of freedom of speech it’s been around for 150 years

[00:43:07] it is the only place on earth where you can ask these kinds of questions we can’t do it on university campuses i

[00:43:13] can’t do it on the streets i can’t even i can do it on youtube or doing it right now this is this in some ways

[00:43:18] is like speaker’s corner on the internet but yeah this corner is where you’re physically there and she’s physically there every sunday she gets up on the ladder

[00:43:25] now during covert they don’t allow her to get on ladders because they get too big a crowd so therefore she has to stay on the ground which makes her a lot more

[00:43:31] vulnerable that’s what she’s getting so so what does this mean for islam in the long run i mean when you say hey

[00:43:36] 2020 marks the year the fall of the quran what does that mean practically speaking as far as

[00:43:41] you know uh the mosque here in southern california down here in san diego and these people that are the muslims going here is this going to

[00:43:47] trickle down into the into the knowledge of the the average uh you know lay person in the

[00:43:53] in the mosque the average muslim uh or is this just something that as a christian church we need to be able to get out there and be able to communicate

[00:43:59] this about i’m going to ask you both both answer both of those simultaneously back in 1800s there in germany in two

[00:44:07] begin men like wellhausen and others in germany asked the same question of the bible

[00:44:13] now that was in the 1800s where they started they brought together the documentary hypothesis they talked about textual criticism of

[00:44:19] the bible they’re saying that we cannot trust the first 11 chapters of genesis we don’t know who abraham was we don’t even know if moses existed these are

[00:44:25] nothing more than folklore certainly the first the 12 days of creation we know that that is nothing more than

[00:44:30] hyperbole or metaphor it’s it’s nothing more and you’re still hearing echoes of that

[00:44:36] today and they said we don’t have any of the original manuscripts therefore we cannot trust any of them because it

[00:44:41] could be this these are just borrowed much much later tens of tens hundreds of years later and redacted back to

[00:44:47] men like moses or men like abraham they’re in genesis now that filtered down into the

[00:44:52] seminaries and that filtered down into the churches down onto the pews so that by 1905 historical criticism

[00:44:59] along with darwinianism decimated the church in europe and the church has never

[00:45:05] recovered from those two criticism historical criticism and darwinianism now we started to get

[00:45:12] our put our act together and we started looking around and started saying hold on a man we need to answer these questions these are good at questions

[00:45:17] the bible is the only the only book that has been asked these questions and so we started going back and we

[00:45:23] found the maori tablets the newsie tablets we found the amarna tablets we found the ebla tablets these are templates

[00:45:28] that are from 2300 bc 1900 bc 1600 bc from before the time of moses and they tell

[00:45:33] about sodom and gomorrah we now find out the names of sodom gomorrah we now found all the customs that surround

[00:45:38] abraham’s life they’re exactly the same customs that existed up until 1600 bc they would not existed

[00:45:44] when moses was writing in 1400 bc and yet we’ve got the right man at the right place doing the right thing at the right time proving that the bible is more accurate

[00:45:51] than any other piece of ancient history so we started doing our uh we were able to then uh answer the

[00:45:57] documentary hypothesis we found 50 different archaeological artifacts that now support 50 different

[00:46:02] into people that we have the right man at the right place and in every case so much so that now by by the 21st

[00:46:08] century we pretty well know that there’s not one artifact there’s not one stellar there’s not one obelisk there’s not one

[00:46:16] one piece of evidence that we can come across that controversy properly understood biblical statement that’s how

[00:46:21] accurate our bible is when it comes to historical credibility but that was all done to the bible and

[00:46:27] that’s why we have done our homework those same criticisms remember redacted criticism really wouldn’t exist today

[00:46:33] without the bible it was not created with the bible but it was the bible where redacted criticism was forced

[00:46:38] but really was mature the same thing with source criticism the same thing with textual criticism textual criticism you have to give

[00:46:44] thanks to the bible because more textual criticism more uh academic text criticism has been

[00:46:50] applied to the bible than any other so now what we’re doing we’re now taking those same criticism

[00:46:55] source criticism redacted criticism we’re now looking and we’re asking a question i just did a three hour marathon without doom last night

[00:47:01] where i went through question after question where we’re looking and trying to find muhammad in the seventh century we can’t find any reference to muhammad

[00:47:07] at all in the century he lived from his area we can’t find any reference to mecca until

[00:47:13] 741 that’s the mid-8th century that city is not on any map we can’t find it in any artifact it’s not on any inscription

[00:47:20] we can’t find any quranic arabic the arabic that we see in the quran with the talmud

[00:47:26] the the the what we know is the definite article this does not exist in any arabic that

[00:47:32] is that is anywhere in the hijab or from the central part of arabia at all where the crime was supposedly created the

[00:47:38] arabic that we find in the quran is all nabataean aramaic which is 600 miles further north

[00:47:43] we’re looking at all the rock inscriptions we can’t find any rock inscriptions prior to 690 that means 60 years after

[00:47:49] muhammad’s death we can’t find one rock inscription with the name of muhammad on it with the name of islam on it with the

[00:47:55] name of muslim on it with the name of mecca on it or anything to do with the quran no chronic material on it

[00:48:01] until 6 90. and then 690 they start to proliferate we’ve looked at all the coins this just came out this year looking all the coins

[00:48:07] we now have coins from 630 640 650 up until in 660. we have people these

[00:48:12] are all arabic coins these are all the rulers who are there in what is today syria and jordan and also arabia

[00:48:19] and these coins are supposedly by muslims there’s not one reference to muhammad not one reference to abu bakr

[00:48:25] or uma or uthman or ali these are the first four caliphs these are what do you do with coins as soon as you become a ruler you put your

[00:48:31] name on it you put your face on it and then you put your religious distinction every one of these coins have crosses on them

[00:48:37] they are christian coins these coins are not at all islamic all the way up to who finally puts his

[00:48:43] name and his and his uh uh also his image on it he puts that in 661 and 663 up until 680

[00:48:50] every one of his coins if they’re in the west they are all christian if they’re in the east they’re all zarastran nothing islamic about it at

[00:48:58] all so can you see this is all stuff that’s come out this year in 2020. so what is that i just told you well

[00:49:04] everything i’ve told you kevin have you noticed i’m using artifacts from the 7th century up until the 8th century i’m not using

[00:49:09] anything from the 9th and 10th century everything the muslims are going to tell you about who muhammad was where he lived what he did how he

[00:49:16] how he received the quran all of that comes from the ninth and tenth century that means it’s two to three hundred years too late therefore

[00:49:22] everything they’re going to tell you about islam is based on silence these are arguments from silence whereas

[00:49:28] everything i’m telling you is based on hard artifacts these are coins these are rock inscriptions these are buildings

[00:49:35] these are letters supposedly written by muhammad we know who they are this is called the things like the doctrine the iakobi the ashtanami letter

[00:49:41] we now have these in our position we’re looking at them and not one of them is for muhammad they are all from the 16th century some of them

[00:49:47] are from the 12th century there are hundreds of years later and hundreds of miles away so we’re just exploring islam and

[00:49:53] everything that i’ve just said in the last five minutes where i’m putting it all together and i’m just stirring about half of the stuff we’ve had

[00:49:58] we have looked at all the mosques we’re looking at all the mosques from the 7th century up until the 8th century every mosque

[00:50:04] from as far away as china from india from chattan we’re looking at in all the mosque in syria looking at

[00:50:09] jordan all the mosques have qiblas they have qiblas that are facing supposedly mecca not one of them is facing mecca they’re

[00:50:15] all facing petra up until 706 muhammad died in 632 up until 706 every mosque is facing

[00:50:21] petra that’s in jordan that’s 600 miles away that’s where the quran was came from that’s where the arabic comes from

[00:50:27] that’s in the quran and when we look at it everything we now know about islam today was introduced by the abbasids who come

[00:50:34] to power in 749. they are the ones that introduce muhammad they are the ones that introduce mecca they are the ones that

[00:50:40] introduce the sanctuary they are the ones that introduce all the five uh stages of the of

[00:50:45] the hajj all of which pre-existed in petra every one of those five stages you can find in petra now why is it that we’re

[00:50:52] only learning about it now the reason why is for the first time we’re forgetting about the 19th century

[00:50:57] and we’re now focusing on the seventh and eighth century and isn’t that what we’re supposed to do as historians

[00:51:03] wow that’s incredible i i just i’m blown away by that i mean basically there’s not heard any of this

[00:51:08] have you this oh yeah i mean it’s all coming together in 2020 and we’re getting hundreds of

[00:51:14] muslims that are leaving islam because of this wow praise god well that’s absolutely incredible i i’m just

[00:51:20] completely kind of blown away right now i i have to redo my entire curriculum on islam now

[00:51:26] so uh for those of you listening uh this is dr j smith and you can check him out on

[00:51:31] youtube fander films that’s p-f-a-n-d-e-r films and uh i can’t i can’t encourage

[00:51:38] you enough to just spread this out to everybody you know um i mean it’s just uh honestly

[00:51:43] like you said this is kind of uh the fall of the quran that’s incredible uh who knows what god is gonna do

[00:51:49] through this it’s just amazing so we’re about out of time uh dr smith and i just want to thank you so much for

[00:51:54] coming on the program and i really uh have a tremendous respect for you and your passion and what you’re doing uh with david wood

[00:52:01] too i’ve had him on the program too and uh boy god has put together quite a team so thank you so much for all you’re doing

[00:52:08] kevin let me just say one thing have you noticed that everything i’ve done in this last hour is not from a christian perspective this

[00:52:15] is not a christian polemic this is not hate preaching i’m not an islamophobe there’s nothing hateful

[00:52:20] about what i’ve said i’m asking it from a totally neutral perspective i’m saying is it true that’s all i’m asking i’m not

[00:52:27] looking as a christian confronting the traditions i’m not confronting muhammad i’m saying hold on a minute

[00:52:33] i’m asking the same question that have been asked of us therefore this is as neutral as you can get anybody

[00:52:39] in fact everybody should be asking this question you don’t have to be a christian to ask what i’ve asked in this last hour

[00:52:44] you don’t have to be a christian or a you can be an atheist you can be a humanist you can be a hindu and you can be a muslim and so the

[00:52:50] muslims who are listening i’m saying this has now been asked of you you’ve had it easy until now we’re going to show you that you’ve got

[00:52:57] to now find answers to these questions no longer can you just say don’t ask us you know

[00:53:02] we don’t keep on telling so you have a line beyond which we can’t go folks where there is no red line here in the

[00:53:08] west there is no red line here in the united states there’s no red line we have can ask any question we want we’re not being hateful

[00:53:14] we’re not being islamophobic we absolutely love you because we know that we have a better book a bigger book i have this

[00:53:22] book right here and that’s why i say forget about the quran this this little book here come on back to the bigger the

[00:53:27] better but forget about allah of this book we now can show you who yahweh is forget about issa he’s not the right

[00:53:33] jesus we can bring you back to yourself come on home that’s all we’re saying come on home come on home to jesus christ

[00:53:38] amen i i for those of you listening i hope you enjoyed the program it’ll also be up on youtube and all over

[00:53:43] social media and uh i’m just very excited to put this out there so uh thanks again dr smith and

[00:53:50] uh i’ll be following you and just uh seeing how this develops because that’s gonna be incredible to see what happens

[00:53:55] in 2021 uh maybe it’s the next fall uh we’ll see so thank you so much god bless you for

[00:54:02] everybody here uh thanks for being here and i hope you have a great week great weekend and share this with your

[00:54:08] friends i’ve got somebody on here krista is in germany right now wanting to share it and uh wants a

[00:54:13] breakdown from you dr smith she wants a uh abbreviated version she can share with her muslim friends

[00:54:18] so it’s right up there on founder films everything’s right there okay okay fantastic okay have a good night god

[00:54:23] bless you thank you so much

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