The Age of the Earth part two with Dr. Russ Humphreys

[00:00:01] thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin con I’m your host on educate for Life radio we’re broadcasting down here in Southern

[00:00:07] California on kpra 1210 a.m. and also on FM 106.1 in North County and uh I have a

[00:00:14] guest this evening uh who was on my show back in November uh Dr Russ humph and he

[00:00:20] has a degree in physics from Duke University he has a PhD in physics on cosmic rays and ultra high energy

[00:00:26] nucleon nucleon interactions from LSU he’s worked in the high voltage

[00:00:31] laboratory of General Electric Company designing and inventing equipment and researching high voltage phenomena um he

[00:00:39] has all kinds of credentials uh he’s he has two US patents and uh he’s received

[00:00:45] awards from Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico in nuclear physics geophysics uh pulse powerered research

[00:00:53] and theoretical Atomic and nuclear physics and uh Dr humph thanks for coming on again uh my pleasure to be on

[00:01:00] absolutely one thing I’ve I uh wanted to ask you uh are some of your viewers uh

[00:01:06] only on audio uh can yes yes we we’re on podcast so some people are only on audio

[00:01:13] I know we have slides here to share but uh they’ll have to check us out on YouTube if they find it very uh if they

[00:01:19] want more details so uh could you remind them occasionally about the YouTube uh

[00:01:24] so that uh they won’t be completely in the dark because this is a very a very visual

[00:01:30] presentation so uh they can catch up on the visual on YouTube so absolutely I

[00:01:36] love it okay so um yeah for those of you listening we are on podcast I know a lot of people listen on podcast so um if you

[00:01:43] want the visuals it’s on YouTube and it’ll be up on my site as well educate forlife.org uh you can check it out uh

[00:01:50] Dr humph before we hop into the slides uh I know we’re picking up where we left off from the last time talking about

[00:01:56] evidence for a young world and um you know I did a little bit of research and it said uh the the one of the recent

[00:02:03] polls came out in 2019 said that about 40% of Americans actually believe in a

[00:02:09] Six-Day creation um and you know they they don’t believe in evolution um and

[00:02:14] they believe basically what the Bible says uh which you know that’s four out of 10 people and great I didn’t know it

[00:02:21] was that high it is it’s pretty high and uh and it goes on to explain that some

[00:02:26] people believe in evolution but they believe God used Evolution and then a smaller percent believe that it’s just

[00:02:31] Evolution on its own which is somewhere around between 20 and 30% but um one of

[00:02:36] the the stats that they were talking about was that uh people with higher education the more uh Advanced degrees

[00:02:44] they have the more likely they are to not believe in creation is what the the stats show and I was just wondering

[00:02:51] about your thoughts on that because you’re incredibly well educated um you have uh your background is is amazing um

[00:02:58] how would you respond to somebody who said hey look the majority of Americans uh who who believe in creation are less

[00:03:05] educated than those who who don’t um what would you say to somebody who said

[00:03:10] something like that well I guess uh first of all I’m a counter example and so are H several thousand other

[00:03:18] scientists who are quite well educated and they’re young Earth creationists uh but the other thing I

[00:03:24] would say is that uh uh even before I was a

[00:03:30] Christian I tended to uh question what uh what the establishment educational

[00:03:37] establishment was telling me uh there were some things that seemed kind of fishy uh and so I

[00:03:45] think um I would advise those uh educated uh old earthers to develop a

[00:03:52] more skeptical attitude and go back to what scripture says and compare what

[00:03:59] they are believing leaving with what scripture says but uh I think you’ll find actually if you examine the

[00:04:05] evidence of which I’m going to give some samples uh that you’ll find that the

[00:04:11] evidence is much more in favor of a young world than in a billions of years

[00:04:16] old world so it’s uh unfortunately education uh you

[00:04:23] developed the habit of pleasing your your professors and if your professors are um atheists and about half of them

[00:04:31] in the uh secular establishment are atheists you’re going to get their point

[00:04:37] of view on on life and so uh I urge such

[00:04:42] people who have uh gotten that kind of education to realize that uh the data

[00:04:50] and the truth uh may not be at all what uh what

[00:04:56] they learned so they just have to develop some skeptic ISM yeah one of the examples of that

[00:05:03] that I always uh I and I’ve I’ve heard several people who went through you know

[00:05:08] High School uh undergrad graduate and then on into becoming a professor before they finally became a skeptic and

[00:05:15] started saying whoa hold on uh these are assertions this is not evidence of this

[00:05:21] particular Paradigm and began to be a little upset because they said well why

[00:05:27] wasn’t this pointed out to me earlier on why I just now learning about the problems with this particular Paradigm

[00:05:33] The evolutionary worldview um the secular worldview and uh so so it’s

[00:05:39] worth taking taking the time to look into it and going okay um where is the real evidence here or are these just

[00:05:45] assumptions but uh let’s hop into your your research here and your um what you have to share with us we can pick up

[00:05:51] where we left off um and get into these the evidences that show that Earth is recently created not billions of years

[00:05:58] old okay so uh if we can switch to myh

[00:06:04] slides yep I’ve got it up right here in front of me here okay uh all right I’ll

[00:06:09] assume that uh everyone is seeing my slide then uh in part one last November

[00:06:15] I gave five simple evidences that the world is not billions of years old and

[00:06:21] I’ll review those a little later in this talk uh but here’s another simple piece

[00:06:26] of evidence that the world is Young so you should be seeing Uh Kevin uh this

[00:06:34] slide that says not enough Stone AG Graves do you see that slide yep it’s right up there now the Stone Age is when

[00:06:41] we were using stone tools not metal tools according to the evolutionist and

[00:06:48] it pretty well coincides with the Ice Age which according to Bible and science

[00:06:54] evidence occurred after The Genesis Flood for the next 700 to th 1,000 years

[00:07:02] but now here’s the evolutionist view of that time if you can see my cursor here

[00:07:07] um I’m running it along the bottom from from the right which is where where the cursor is

[00:07:14] now is about where we are today and then this dotted line here is about 5,000

[00:07:21] years ago and then 195,000 years past that is uh this part

[00:07:29] of the graph so that’s time and then uh

[00:07:34] the vertical axis is number of people on the Earth the total number of people at any given time and then this is uh 1

[00:07:42] million and I’ll talk about what what why that’s there in a moment so the graph I’m going to show you is the

[00:07:49] evolutionary point of view uh so first they think the population Rose very rapidly

[00:07:57] and then it leveled off for for a reason I’m about to tell you uh it leveled off

[00:08:03] and they estimate between 1 million people and 10 million people I’m taking

[00:08:09] the lower estimate because that’s more favorable to their point of view as we’ll see in a moment quick question uh

[00:08:17] Dr humph um you’ve got the 195,000 years on here plus 5,000 years um is this the

[00:08:25] evolutionary claim of when people uh you know evolved in started as we are is that what we’re looking at here that is

[00:08:32] the latest claim or at least it was uh up to a few years ago and maybe it still

[00:08:37] is uh this is the pure Homo sapiens uh

[00:08:43] been dated the oldest Homo sapiens has been dated uh at about 200,000 years ago

[00:08:50] and prior to that it was some um less evolved creature according to evolutionary time frames yes but

[00:08:57] actually neander toall man uh is homo sapiens nealis so and then there’s archaic Homo

[00:09:05] sapiens or basically uh European looking Homo sapiens uh and so the uh oldest uh

[00:09:14] that I have seen in the literature is about 200,000 years ago according to

[00:09:19] several different radioactivity dating methods so that’s their picture of when

[00:09:25] Homo sapiens started so uh Rose rapidly and then leveled off and why did it

[00:09:32] level off uh it’s because of their alleged lifestyle uh they hunted and gathered

[00:09:39] they didn’t have Agriculture and so there’s only so many acres on the earth

[00:09:45] and that limits the population uh they estimate between 1 million and 10

[00:09:51] million people at any given time so it leveled off what that means is every

[00:09:57] generation as many people were were dying as were’re being born so every

[00:10:02] generation 1 million people dying what’s a generation it’s the

[00:10:08] length of time it takes a child to be born and then grow up uh to where he has

[00:10:14] children of his own so maybe 25 years or so um U we don’t know exactly what

[00:10:21] conditions would were supposed to be like then but life was supposed to be short and brutish so 25 years seems kind

[00:10:29] of reasonable for a generation now if uh we take the whole time of 200,000 years

[00:10:36] and divide by uh 25 years we get 8,000

[00:10:41] Generations uh roughly in that time so how many people would have died the

[00:10:48] answer oh by the way I’m showing you now uh five or 10,000 years ago The

[00:10:53] evolutionary view is that somebody discovered farming and uh long time yes

[00:11:00] that’s one very peculiar thing about it why do would it take Stone Age people

[00:11:05] were not stupid uh we have lots of evidence of that in fact it probably is

[00:11:12] harder for Modern Man to uh transport ourselves back to the Ice Age and and

[00:11:18] try to survive uh um maybe we wouldn’t think we were so smart yeah so anyhow

[00:11:26] after farming took the lid off then the we increased to the eight billion people

[00:11:31] we now have in less than 5,000 years so uh now uh so how many people

[00:11:40] would have died and the answer is uh8 billion Graves eight billion Stone Age

[00:11:47] Graves during that period roughly U yes so 8,000 times 1 million

[00:11:53] because right that’s how many generations so we should we should be seeing that many um

[00:11:59] you know whatever Graves or or bones or right something yeah we should and they

[00:12:05] buried their their stone tools in the graves too though so that if everything decayed there’d still be necklaces and

[00:12:12] uh and stone axes and spearheads and all all buried in the grave they they

[00:12:20] apparently like to to bury their dead so uh 8 billion that’s one grave for every

[00:12:27] person alive on this planet so we should be finding lots of stone aged Graves and how many do we really

[00:12:34] find only thousands uh and that sets a limit to how long the Stone Age could have been

[00:12:41] say at most 500 years in various places and uh uh and the population had to be

[00:12:49] lower than a million by quite a bit uh and so uh that fits the biblical picture

[00:12:56] the biblical picture is after After the flood and after Babel a scattering of

[00:13:02] people all over the Earth on the Move living uh in one place U only short

[00:13:08] times and not long enough to uh smelt some iron or copper and uh and make some

[00:13:15] metal tools so they use stone tools um and uh so uh so it would be roughly

[00:13:23] according to the biblical picture from 2500 BC when the flood was to the time

[00:13:29] of Abraham about 2,000 BC you know 500 years so in which they were in which

[00:13:36] they were um uh what living in caves or or what do

[00:13:41] you mean well when you’re on the move and uh not many trees have grown on the earth so you can’t chop down wood and

[00:13:48] make a make a home easily uh and you can’t stop to uh to make bricks or

[00:13:54] anything else you’re on them you know scattering all over the Earth a cave is a very handy place to live I found that

[00:14:01] out when I was camping uh uh when there was a heavy snow in Grand Canyon uh

[00:14:07] caves are just great um so so that’s so that’s really interesting um so are you

[00:14:14] saying um that the explanation from a Biblical you know a creationist perspective regarding because people

[00:14:19] will say well how do you explain the cavemen you know uh if people were smart like Noah and so forth why were they why

[00:14:26] were they living in caves so because it’s a smart thing to do in the Ice Age

[00:14:32] when the weather is not real good you know uh lots of lots of Storms and uh

[00:14:37] and lots of uh cold weather and bad weather and uh so as you’re on the move

[00:14:45] if there’s a cave handy use it you know you might have to uh have a little uh

[00:14:51] bit of a battle with the resident Cave Bear but so what uh so that’s just meat

[00:14:58] uh which they are given permission to eat by then so according to God so yes

[00:15:05] that’s the picture that’s great and um you know and what else is kind of strange about this whole thing is too is

[00:15:10] is that for 195,000 years there’s no writing or anything that’s right I’m I’m

[00:15:16] GNA talk about that with the next slide oh okay okay I won’t I won’t uh short circuit that then but uh that’s so

[00:15:22] interesting and then um how do people respond to this you know when you talk to somebody and you share this kind of

[00:15:28] information um what is the do do evolutionists go well you know I don’t we don’t know why

[00:15:35] they’re not there but that it is what it is what what what does somebody say to that um well an

[00:15:41] evolutionary Anthropologist lady in the Grand Canyon I met uh her husband was a

[00:15:48] a creationist and a young earther but I don’t think she was and she had real

[00:15:53] problems with this you know says well maybe they weren’t uh you know maybe they were were buried offshore and and

[00:16:00] the and the the water came and covered them all up well uh there’s just too

[00:16:06] many of them to hide that way so yeah eight billion I mean that that’s incredible so I think she was just

[00:16:12] unable to face the facts yeah so but she was an anthropologist and I don’t think

[00:16:19] she was a young arther so that was the answer well somehow it

[00:16:25] happened yeah yeah some sort of rescuing di somehow uh just so I don’t have to deal with

[00:16:30] this I’ll just kind of push it away and consider it some sort of anomaly yeah

[00:16:36] okay now the next next item is right along the lines you were beginning to

[00:16:42] hit on Kevin um oh by the way um we need to x out that 195,000 years it’s just

[00:16:50] you know clearly wrong so now the next item is Kevin uh

[00:16:58] written history is too short uh you know writing is not that

[00:17:03] hard for people to do and Ice Age Man recorded phases of the moon on bone and

[00:17:10] he made beautiful cave paintings so why not why not uh use uh you know at least

[00:17:16] have pictographs uh like the hieroglyphics of Egypt uh why not use

[00:17:23] those skills to record history during that alleged 195,000 years so let’s just

[00:17:30] see I’m going to plot here a graph uh number of documents in the earth and

[00:17:36] it’s in the billions now it’s roughly proportional to the number of people so number of documents produced uh uh now

[00:17:45] is definitely in the billions uh and then when the population got smaller my

[00:17:51] arrows down there on the billion side of that axis and then thousands and

[00:17:56] eventually we get down to one and The Time Is Here on the right and

[00:18:03] the bottom is now and time of Christ time of Abraham and the time of Noah so

[00:18:10] I’m just going to start on the upper right uh with now and the billions so

[00:18:15] let’s just plot and we’ll work backwards to Noah for those of you who are just uh

[00:18:22] listening on podcast um we do have slides here that are very helpful to illustrate what he’s what uh Dr humph is

[00:18:29] is sharing with us so you can check that out on YouTube if you are if you’re uh just listening in on the podcast okay so

[00:18:38] uh yeah this it’s uh this is something I worried about actually when uh when I

[00:18:45] was a teenager and not saved uh I wondered about the shortness of History uh because as you were saying

[00:18:53] Kevin it’s not too hard to invent writing so during those alleged 95,000

[00:18:59] years we should have had a history recorded but history is much shorter than that and let me put the time scale

[00:19:06] in at the bottom here about 5,000 years now you could argue and say well it’s

[00:19:13] really 7,000 years yes but it’s not 195 to 200,000 years uh and so uh we get

[00:19:22] back work back to the time of Noah and we have uh his log book and his Library

[00:19:28] the ark uh you know ones or tens uh but in only U five Millennia or so uh we

[00:19:37] have uh all the books we now have in the world so written history is just just too short uh to include that’s really

[00:19:44] interesting that that’s actually something you thought about as a teenager um what what was it that

[00:19:50] prompted you to think to to be concerned about that well just reading history books and uh looking at how they all

[00:19:57] started and looking at the the time scale and uh I was raised in evolution and I knew the time scale for human

[00:20:04] beings should be much longer than that uh so uh where what were we doing all

[00:20:10] that time so what what did your where did your mind go with that did you just go

[00:20:16] did you look for answers or were you kind of like well well hopefully somebody has an answer to this no I uh I

[00:20:23] got as far as I could and so I said okay I don’t know and I tabled it so

[00:20:29] yeah uh we have um I have coming up in a couple radio shows uh Doug petrovich

[00:20:34] who’s going to be talking about the origin of languages and um his thoughts

[00:20:40] on you know what was the language that existed before the Tower of Babel do you have any thoughts on that oh I think it

[00:20:46] was pretty definitely according to scripture a language very much like Hebrew because the naming puns you know

[00:20:54] uh uh Adam and Eve named uh their son Seth which means

[00:21:01] appointed because God had appointed him and uh Adam named his his wife Eve or

[00:21:10] kava I believe it is in Hebrew uh which means uh life uh living uh and uh she

[00:21:20] was the mo because she was the mother of all living and uh Methuselah’s name

[00:21:25] means something interesting when he dies it shall be sent or something like that

[00:21:31] and he died in exactly the year of the flood and uh uh Noah was named by lamik

[00:21:39] uh uh he was named Noah because said lamik this one shall bring us rest or

[00:21:46] give us rest so uh a pun doesn’t work if you uh change the language uh you know

[00:21:54] the uh you don’t get the pun the the words don’t have the same sound so they

[00:22:02] were pretty clearly uh speaking something very much like Hebrew wow so interes and then we

[00:22:09] acquired all the other languages at Babel so so so um as far as the the you

[00:22:17] know you’ve got one on this chart here um you know if you go all the way back you get to to the first written uh piece

[00:22:23] of information or whatever that that is um do you happen to know what the oldest uh document is uh as far is there

[00:22:30] something older than the Bible that we have

[00:22:36] um it’s roughly the oldest document is roughly the same age as uh what a

[00:22:41] conservative would say the age of the Bible is uh uh in fact the oldest document is

[00:22:49] probably the one that God the account that God gave adam and uh it’s in

[00:22:56] Genesis 1 and then after that we have uh Adam’s account uh and that’s the next

[00:23:04] few chapters of Genesis and everywhere everywhere you f come to a these are the

[00:23:09] generations of probably put in by no by Moses as he’s recording some of these

[00:23:16] family documents so the oldest one really would be uh uh but we don’t have

[00:23:23] it unfortunately but uh we have a a copy of it Genesis chapter

[00:23:29] one now why do some people say that why do some people say that Mesopotamian caor is the oldest language I I was

[00:23:36] looking in uh you know doing a little research on that and it says that uh

[00:23:42] that’s the oldest language is that uh biblically accurate No U bibl biblically

[00:23:49] accurate the oldest language is Hebrew but I mean um in a written they ignored

[00:23:55] the Bible and they don’t want to believe that it’s true so then they invent their own theories so then so that’s why yeah

[00:24:03] do we but as far as a um document is there is the oldest document do that we

[00:24:10] have a Hebrew or is it some other language now that’s a good question it used to be there was some other language

[00:24:17] but in the recent years archaeological finds have uh found that Hebrew is much

[00:24:22] older uh than they thought uh so and they’ve been finding some writings uh uh

[00:24:30] in Israel uh that are pretty old uh the archaeologists have and they they’re in

[00:24:36] Hebrew U so interesting so I would say I would

[00:24:42] say uh I would be a little hesitant if I were them about making pronouncements

[00:24:49] like you just relayed yeah yep yeah so okay now let me just summ arize

[00:24:58] uh both part one and part two here uh uh most dating methods say the world is

[00:25:05] Young about 90% of all the methods you could use to uh estimate the age of the

[00:25:11] world uh 90% of them appear to say it’s much younger than billions of years so

[00:25:17] in the first uh part we talked about comets and their Short age sea salt a

[00:25:24] short age of salt in the ocean the sea Flor uh Short age for that relative to

[00:25:30] billions of years uh the Earth’s magnetic field is uh decaying rapidly and has done interesting things in the

[00:25:37] past uh but the energy in it has looks like it’s been steadily decaying at

[00:25:43] different rates U and then biologic decay all sorts of things uh set a limit

[00:25:50] on how how old life on Earth can be uh genetic evidence um mutational evidence

[00:25:57] and so uh then today we talked about Stone Age Graves and history being too

[00:26:04] short but uh keep in mind uh I mentioned this in the first part that there are

[00:26:10] lots of other methods so let’s just uh start listing a few but I won’t talk

[00:26:15] about all of them but fast decay of Saturn’s rings uh niagar Falls erosion

[00:26:21] uh fast coal formation natural gas pressure loss uh I’m just picking a few

[00:26:28] seafloor magnetic stripes uh point to a young Earth a lot uh so now uh you don’t need

[00:26:38] to be copying all these things uh because you can get a list online uh and it’s creation.com so note

[00:26:47] that down creation.com great website to go to and

[00:26:52] then there’s an there’s an article on it called 10 web 101 evidences for a young

[00:27:00] age of the Earth um and you can get the article just by taking that phrase 101

[00:27:08] evidences and putting it into the search engine uh so creation.com 101

[00:27:15] evidences um and uh there’s each of the items of evidence is has a short uh

[00:27:23] fairly understandable U description and then it gives you references that you

[00:27:28] can go to on the Internet or in the library and run these uh run this data

[00:27:35] down uh to where it’s recorded in the literature so uh that’s a great list to

[00:27:42] if you really want the evidence and you want to Chomp into it uh this is a great article to to go to so uh now that’s a

[00:27:51] summary of the 90% of the evidence that points to a young world

[00:27:58] uh but what about the other 10% and uh so what about carbon dating

[00:28:04] and all that stuff uh so let’s talk about two samples of of all that

[00:28:12] stuff so uh now evolutionists believe

[00:28:18] that fossils should have no carbon 14 in them now why is

[00:28:24] that well the carbon 14 halflife is short uh compared to other radioactive

[00:28:31] stuff um it’s only 5700 years now halflife means it’s how long it takes to go from

[00:28:39] say a pound of carbon 14 to a half a pound of carbon 14 5700 years and you

[00:28:46] weit another 5700 years and it goes from a half a pound to a quarter pound so

[00:28:51] that’s halflife and it’s relatively short and uh so uh with that Half-Life

[00:28:59] there should be no carbon 14 left after a 100 million years so you know half a

[00:29:06] million years right half a million years what did I say whatever I said you said

[00:29:12] 100 million sorry sorry oh definitely wrong too many numbers floating around in my head thank you for catching that

[00:29:19] yeah yeah no worries no carbon 14 atom not a single atom left in a typical fossil and for our for our uh you know

[00:29:27] if you’re listening to this the radio the radio carbon dating just to understand it c14 correct me if I’m

[00:29:34] wrong Dr humre but c-14 changes into n14 over time right is that right right and

[00:29:41] so but the thing is the thing the critical thing about carbon 14 is you

[00:29:46] get it uh if you’re an animal you get it by eating plants because plants are

[00:29:52] contaminated it and the plants get it by uh breathing carbon diox oxide and uh

[00:29:59] and there’s a process of cosmic rays and and you know a process that generates

[00:30:05] carbon 14 in the atmosphere so while an animal is alive he’s taking in carbon 14

[00:30:13] and it’s also decaying and uh he just uh has the same percentage of carbon 14 in

[00:30:19] his tissues uh that the air does but when he dies he stops taking in food or

[00:30:26] stops if he a tree he stops breathing carbon dioxide and the carbon 14 in its

[00:30:33] tissues just decays so that’s how the dating method works if you know how much

[00:30:38] it had to begin with uh then you can tell how long ago it died but now you

[00:30:45] you put on here that c14 only lasts 500,000 years I’ve heard it’s only 200,000 years is that where’s the

[00:30:52] discrepancy there in the what I’m hearing carbon 14 has a halflife of not

[00:30:59] quite 6,000 years 5700 years okay so

[00:31:04] somebody told me that it it gets so small there’s such a small amount that that um it can no longer actually be

[00:31:10] measured inside the bone or whatever it is and so even though there might be some left that that that it’s so

[00:31:17] difficult to even measure the quantity that really you can it get below the detection limit after several hundred

[00:31:22] thousand years okay okay U but uh if you carry it out to where there’s no atom

[00:31:30] left that’s about a half million gotcha okay so not a single carbon 14 atom left

[00:31:37] that’s well below what they can detect so okay that makes sense so now the

[00:31:44] thing is that that’s uh too short for fossils because most of the fossils are

[00:31:49] below the ice age uh and uh they range from two million years old to 560

[00:31:58] million years old according to Conventional geology so for a long time when you say

[00:32:04] when you say below the Ice Age you mean that the strata that it’s in is yes

[00:32:10] right low enough that okay yes so you have the Ice Age gravels and other things on top and the Ice Age caves on

[00:32:18] near the surface and then you go down into the actual fossil strata and those

[00:32:23] are older than two two million years to 5 60 million

[00:32:28] years so uh uh that’s for a while a long time

[00:32:37] actually uh the experts in carbon 14 thought uh that um they would have a

[00:32:45] good fossil a good source of uh carbon 14 free material to test their machines

[00:32:51] with and they thought this up to about 1980 when their detection methods turned

[00:32:57] up started improving and they started uh being able to look at uh at fossils they

[00:33:04] thought the fossils would be carbon 14 dead and it turned out they’re carbon 14

[00:33:10] alive uh they still have much more than the detection limit uh amount of carbon

[00:33:17] 14 in them and uh so U that’s the problem so question is no carbon 14 in

[00:33:26] the fossils really and no the answer is that all fossils

[00:33:31] all fossils all the ones we’ve checked uh We’ve checked and they’ve checked all

[00:33:37] of them contain carbon 14 well well above the detection limits so this is uh uh from carbon

[00:33:45] dating journals and also the rate project and I’ll talk more about the radioisotopes in the age of the Earth

[00:33:52] project uh but uh coal and wood and shells and bone and marble and natural

[00:33:58] gas and carbon dioxide gas in the ground and calite that’s calcium carbonate

[00:34:04] crystals and oil and lots of other things uh they all contain carbon 14

[00:34:10] they’re all uh uh mildly radioactive so uh not as much as people

[00:34:18] have in them today uh but they’re still quite you know it’s far above zero so

[00:34:25] there’s something wrong with the time scale so the the age of the fossils in

[00:34:31] years the conventional age is millions to hundreds of millions that’s just from

[00:34:38] conventional geology but if you take uh what’s in the

[00:34:43] fossils and use the standard dating Carbon 14 dating method you get roughly

[00:34:50] 50,000 years and uh you know say from 30,000 to 70,000 years uh is the way you

[00:34:59] would date it but the average throughout the world and at every depth the average

[00:35:05] is about 50,000 years now uh if you apply a correction

[00:35:11] which I won’t explain here uh uh that we know about and have EV evidence for uh

[00:35:19] that that 50,000 years drops to about 5,000 years so carbon 14 is saying something

[00:35:27] very interesting and saying no matter where we go in the world and to what depth in the fossil layers we go we all

[00:35:34] get about the same date and uh they’re all in layers laid down by water

[00:35:40] sedimentary rocks mostly and uh and so uh the carbon 14 is saying there was

[00:35:48] some event roughly 5,000 years ago that buried creatures all over the world and

[00:35:57] uh and made them into fossils because they all contain the amount of c14 that points to a 5,000

[00:36:05] year time frame right yep that’s it I gotta ask I gotta ask what the what

[00:36:12] knocked off that um you know took it from 50,000 to 5,000 what is that too

[00:36:18] what too complex to discuss uh no uh I guess we’ve got time too don’t we what

[00:36:23] time is what time are we supposed to be over with uh technically around 615 but

[00:36:29] give or take okay uh so all right uh

[00:36:35] there’s evidence that the carbon 14 increased After the flood quite

[00:36:41] drastically from about half a percent of today’s ratio of carbon 14 today’s ratio

[00:36:49] that is in our tissues while we’re alive is about one out of every trillion carbon atoms is

[00:36:55] radioactive carbon 14 now the fossils have at the time U at

[00:37:03] the time uh roughly 5,000 years ago they had about half a percent of that one

[00:37:10] trillion one out of a trillion ratio so uh the fossils had uh the carbon 14 was

[00:37:18] low uh during the flood when the fossils were laid down and of course just right

[00:37:23] after the flood so but uh uh is this saying that that the world

[00:37:31] was that that plants and animals were taking in more c14 prior to the flood than they were After the

[00:37:37] flood a yes during the Ice Age the uh amount of c14 in the atmosphere

[00:37:46] increased bringing uh that ratio from half a percent up to about

[00:37:52] 90% by the time of Moses by about a thousand years Years After the flood so

[00:37:58] from 2500 BC to 500 BC it the amount of carbon 14 Rose

[00:38:05] drastically and why is that what what what is the theory on that the bottom bottom line is uh that when God speeded

[00:38:14] up radioactive decay which I’ll talk about in a moment uh uh of slow halflife

[00:38:21] things he also accelerated nuclear fusion in the Sun and said in and I have

[00:38:28] a whole article about this and it is pretty technical um but it’s uh in the

[00:38:34] latest International Conference on creationism uh proceedings which is out

[00:38:40] so if you look up uh on Google uh just International Conference on

[00:38:45] creationism and get the latest proceedings you’ll find an article by me on on uh just what I think the sequence

[00:38:52] of events was but if you account for this dra drastic increase of carbon 14

[00:38:59] uh during the Ice Age uh then you shorten the ages W that’s

[00:39:06] interesting um and and you know um it seems like a an irrefutable fact that uh

[00:39:14] the c14 should be all gone in the fossil record if these time frames that

[00:39:19] Evolution claims are the case is this changing the Paradigm for you know some

[00:39:25] evolutionary scientists are they is it just physicists that are aware of this or do because it seems to me that radio

[00:39:31] isotope dating is the is the fundamental tool that they always refer to whenever trying to argue for their their time

[00:39:37] frames some of them are painfully aware of it and they’re trying to find all

[00:39:43] sorts of excuses they’re wiggling and squirming and uh uh they’re not going to

[00:39:50] give up their Paradigm easily and uh I don’t know uh if some have given up their

[00:39:58] Paradigm they aren’t talking because their evolutionary brothers would castigate them yes yeah they’d be they’d

[00:40:06] beun but we did present this we presented this at a uh geoscience

[00:40:13] conference uh in uh San Diego uh let’s see it was about

[00:40:20] 1994 and the December uh conference out there and uh we had a post on it along

[00:40:27] with a poster about what I’m going to try and talk about next if we’ve got time but I don’t know if we got the time

[00:40:34] yeah let’s let’s talk about it okay and this covers the this is a sample of the

[00:40:39] billion years dating methods I’m going to show you uh it has to do with uranium

[00:40:45] decaying to lead uh for example that’s one of the methods of the billions of

[00:40:52] years oh so carbon 14 now the carbon the creationist friend

[00:40:57] uh helium leakage from radioactive minerals def deflates the idea of

[00:41:03] billions of years so in 1974 near Los Alamos about 20 miles west

[00:41:10] of the Los Alamos National Labs in the mountains of New Mexico uh Los Alamos U

[00:41:18] drilled a g a hole three miles deep and this is the actual drill rig that they

[00:41:24] used and that uh whose core we are using

[00:41:30] they extracted core from three miles deep and most that’s incredible most of

[00:41:35] it was a granitic kind of rock and if you’ve looked at Granite there’s a a

[00:41:40] black Micah mic U this flaky mineral which is usually white and transparent but

[00:41:48] there’s a black Micah also called biotite and in uh the biotite are

[00:41:54] embedded tiny little little crystals of zirconium silicate uh and we call that ziron uh

[00:42:03] zircons and uh it’s not cubic zironia which is z z zirconium

[00:42:09] oxide um and I think the the biblical jcon um is the same mineral so anyhow uh

[00:42:20] so they got extracted we extracted them uh they extracted the Bor we took some

[00:42:26] of the samples and processed them and here are some crystals uh microscopic

[00:42:32] Zircon crystals uh they are 60 millions of a meter long on the average and uh

[00:42:40] that’s about uh 60 germ lengths a germ is about one micron in diameter well

[00:42:47] that’s small but you can see them just barely um uh they’re really tiny tiny

[00:42:53] tiny uh so uh anyhow uh zircons are

[00:43:00] radioactive so they contain uranium now how is that happen well in a molten rock

[00:43:07] that’s cooling down if it’s melted um zircons are the first things that form

[00:43:13] because they have the highest melting point so in melting in cooling rock you

[00:43:19] have Zer the lattice of zirconium crystals ziron crystals uh starting to

[00:43:25] form and as a uranium atom goes by um ziron

[00:43:30] really likes uh the uranium atoms uh they’re just the right size to stuff

[00:43:36] into their lattice where a ziron would nor zirconium would normally go uh so

[00:43:41] they grab uh the forming lattice grabs uranium but at the same time there are

[00:43:47] lead atoms going by and it rejects the lead atoms and we know this from

[00:43:53] experiment uh we’ve done it in the last and so when zircons form uh they have

[00:44:00] lots of uranium and very little lead so that’ll be important so take a

[00:44:08] close look now radioactivity in a ziron uranium Decay makes helium and Lead now

[00:44:16] this is a ziron and here’s uh the uranium atom over on the left and uh

[00:44:23] it’s going to Decay down to lead to 6 uh and I’m going to show the steps and

[00:44:30] at every step it emits an alpha particle and an alpha particle is the nucleus of

[00:44:35] a helium atom it’s two protons and two neutrons and when uh when the uh alpha

[00:44:43] particle stops wherever it stops IT grabs two electrons and becomes a full-fledged helium atom and a lot of

[00:44:51] these stop within the crystal so

[00:44:56] you see eight helium atoms being formed to get down to lead

[00:45:02] 206 so in nature uh we find that the the zircons that started with only

[00:45:09] uranium and no lead now they have a significant amount of lead in them so uh

[00:45:17] it’s very hard for Uranium to get into or out of the zuran and the same for

[00:45:22] lead so we know from the lead uh that uh

[00:45:27] a certain amount of uranium decayed and for every lead 206 atom there is there

[00:45:34] were eight helium at atoms deposited somewhere and for this size crystal

[00:45:39] about half of them were deposited uh within the Crystal and so we can tell

[00:45:44] just from how much lead is there how many helium atoms were deposited so now helium is a slippery

[00:45:52] kind of atom uh and it can wiggle out of most minerals so the question now uh is how much

[00:46:00] helium was still left in these zerons well by the way this is important

[00:46:07] too if you just look at the uranium and the lead and you assume today’s slow

[00:46:14] rate of uranium Decay then you get an age of one and a

[00:46:19] half billion years for these particular zircons and Los Alamos calculated about

[00:46:24] that age and so did we uh so they’re supposed to be 1 and a half billion

[00:46:30] years old but uh question is how much helium is still in them and the answer is much

[00:46:38] helium is still in the zircons so here’s a plot U showing the depth of the B hole

[00:46:45] half a mile all the way down to 2 and a half miles and the temperature about

[00:46:50] 200° fah all the way up to 530 down at the bottom of the bore hole

[00:46:57] 530 Fahrenheit is about as hot as your oven can get so I’m going to show that’s

[00:47:03] how hot it is that deep down huh yeah yeah so I’m going to show you how much what

[00:47:10] percentage of helium of the original helium that was deposited is still in the zircons at each depth here so at the

[00:47:19] top 80% and it’s working its way down and at the bottom two and a half miles

[00:47:25] deep 0.1% so helium has left crystals faster

[00:47:33] the deeper and hotter U their surroundings were so that’s

[00:47:38] characteristic of a process uh that we call defusion which is just a fancy way

[00:47:44] for saying spreading out or leakage uh but it happens faster at high

[00:47:51] temperatures now I’m going to show a graph for the teas you do have some te people people watch uh yes okay and and

[00:47:59] just so I understand the heat the heat actually is because the molecules it’s causing the molecules to move faster and that’s what’s causing them to slip out

[00:48:05] faster yes the uh the different atoms in the crystal are bouncing around faster and faster and they’re bumping the

[00:48:11] helium and they’re shoving it from one uh Crystal cell into the next and So the

[00:48:17] faster the bumping the faster the helium gets

[00:48:22] out so uh let’s see here here’s the here’s the graph for the techies and uh

[00:48:28] if you’re not a techie uh just close your eyes yawn go get a drink of water

[00:48:34] for uh about a half a half a minute uh while I explain this and then we’ll get

[00:48:39] back to uh something the bottom line which is much simpler than the graph so

[00:48:45] the question is how fast did the helium leak so we measured this we had it

[00:48:50] measured by an expert uh our our Zur cons and and helium leaked surprisingly

[00:48:57] fast at lower temperatures now on the left is diffusivity or you could say you

[00:49:03] could imagine that as a leak rate uh and here’s temperature at the bottom on the

[00:49:10] left 500 degrees C and on the right 0 degrees C so it’s cooler on the right

[00:49:16] and hotter on the left and at the high temperatures the diffusivity the the

[00:49:22] leakage rate was high and it dropped as we lowered the temperature in the lab

[00:49:29] and then about 300 degre C the the curve bent over it stopped going down as fast

[00:49:37] as it was and it uh lagged over this is something unique no other group other

[00:49:44] than rate the radioisotopes in the age of the Earth group um has measured uh

[00:49:50] zoron leakage helium leakage in zoron as far as I know uh down at this low

[00:49:56] temperature below 300 it’s uh and I don’t know why they haven’t measured it

[00:50:03] uh it’s one reason is that it takes a lot more crystals to go down to the low

[00:50:09] temperatures and uh that makes it more expensive so so the uh the experts uh in

[00:50:17] helium leakage uh ignore this Bend and they extrapolate down on the on the

[00:50:22] straight line down uh but anyhow we well it’s a high

[00:50:28] leakage rate and here’s the bottom line of how fast it leaks um helium leaks out

[00:50:35] so fast that the zircons must be very young now we know how much at each depth

[00:50:42] we know how much helium was in each Crystal U and so we know how much uh left it so we took the measured losses

[00:50:51] and divided by the laboratory measured leak rates uh the actual math is more complicated

[00:50:58] but this is the sort of the bottom line of the math um and we got a date uh for

[00:51:04] each depth and the depth uh the age was the

[00:51:09] average of at each depth was 6,000 years give or take 2,000 years we didn’t nail

[00:51:17] down a lot of the things we knil nail needed to nail down better but uh this

[00:51:23] is still very young 6,000 years and it’s a

[00:51:29] measurement so U so it’s a very remarkable result we yeah I mean that’s

[00:51:36] right right in line with the Bible yeah so we had one and a half billion years

[00:51:42] worth of nuclear Decay occurring within the last 6,000

[00:51:47] years so uh we think the only explanation for this we can come up with

[00:51:53] is that God speeded up nuclear Decay for long long Half-Life nuclei slow decaying

[00:52:00] nuclei he speeded it up during the year of The Genesis Flood and uh probably at

[00:52:07] another during another episode earlier he speeded up the Decay uh so and he

[00:52:14] speeded it up quite drastically so could it be that something could it be that something during the flood something

[00:52:20] about the physics of the flood would speed up the process of helium um helium

[00:52:26] leakage no a lot of creationists have looked at that but uh we have evidence that this happened all through the solar

[00:52:33] system and the flood didn’t occur everywhere in the solar system and it occurred at various depths in the earth

[00:52:40] which were never reached By the Waters now it’s more like what I think happened

[00:52:46] is God wanted to accomplish uh to start up The Genesis Flood and to accomplish

[00:52:53] certain geologic things he speeded up Decay so he reached out and grabbed the

[00:52:59] dial on his control board and that said Decay rate and he gave it a big twist

[00:53:05] and uh and uh and uh I think what he did was weaken the strength of the force

[00:53:11] that holds the nucleus together it’s called the strong nuclear force but anyhow that you know that

[00:53:18] rapid decay releases a lot of heat and there’s a way he would he could get get

[00:53:24] rid of a lot of heat too uh I have a second theory that uh not many people

[00:53:30] know about that seems to do a nice biblical job of explaining how I got rid of the heat so anyhow uh so but if you

[00:53:39] speed up radioactive decay uh you’re going to collapse the nuclear uh

[00:53:46] Decay uh dating methods you’re going to collapse the dates uh from millions of

[00:53:53] years down to months so uh so we think we’ve got the

[00:54:00] answer that’s very interesting um so we’re we’re coming up

[00:54:06] on our time here but but um Dr humph you know in all these different I mean you

[00:54:12] know about there’s there’s a lot more dating methods too that you’re that you’re um able to explain be beyond what

[00:54:18] you’ve just explained in the past two shows right yeah right so um do you have

[00:54:25] one that is your particular favorite that that is you feel is the most compelling or like it’s so it’s this one

[00:54:33] right here it is okay but I’m biased because uh I am uh I was the leader of

[00:54:38] that particular project for rate uh there were three other guys that worked with me on it U four actually and uh and

[00:54:47] uh so I’ve mentioned rate let me say here’s the technical book that documents

[00:54:52] those results uh radio Isotopes in the age of the Earth volume two um and r a t

[00:55:00] is the acronym radioisotopes and the age of the

[00:55:05] Earth and uh you can find that great that’s a great acronym yeah Larry Larry

[00:55:11] ban thought of that icr.org rate you can get this book

[00:55:19] online for free but be aware it is extremely technical

[00:55:25] okay so you can use it to impress your friends but if you actually read it it’s

[00:55:31] going to be hard work uh even for uh for scientists now have you been able to get

[00:55:37] this have you been able to get this out to you know physicists at universities and other research physicists to take a

[00:55:43] look at this uh yes uh we have uh in fact we got a lot quite a lot of uh uh

[00:55:50] peer review as we were publishing the book so it went out to uh uh experts uh

[00:55:57] who peer-reviewed uh this but also it’s going out by Word of Mouth uh the the

[00:56:03] average uh creationist lay person knows a professor and ask him have you read

[00:56:09] the rate book no what’s the rate book oh well I just happen to have a copy right

[00:56:14] here for you there you go so uh it’s going out in at the Grassroots level but

[00:56:20] we also um got a hold of a lot of uh

[00:56:25] of people at that geoscience conference in 19 uh 994 also so but there’s a lay

[00:56:33] person’s book uh explains the r results it’s thousands dot dot dot not billions

[00:56:41] uh challenging an icon of evolution questioning the age of the Earth and it’s written by Dr Don the young and he

[00:56:47] was a physicist on the rate group and Larry picked him to translate all the technical stuff into good uh readable

[00:56:55] stuff uh so because Don is a very good science Popular Science writer and so uh

[00:57:03] it’s highly readable but it’s uh it’s written by a physicist and has many

[00:57:08] details thousands not billions you you can get that and where can people get that creation research.org creation

[00:57:15] research.org um or icr oh no no this one’s creation

[00:57:22] research.org and you can get an ebook form of it on amazon.com and you may be

[00:57:29] able to get it at creation.com I don’t know so the bottom

[00:57:34] line of what I’m saying is that it’s a young world after all so the data for

[00:57:39] youth heavily out weighs the data for age um and carbon uh rate data explains

[00:57:46] nuclear dating ages including carbon 14 and uh the old uh other methods uh and

[00:57:54] uh so I want you to be able to trust the Bible folks um here’s my favorite verse

[00:58:01] for what the Bible says for in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the Earth

[00:58:07] Exodus 2011 that’s in the Ten Commandments not in Genesis and the context is ordinary days of the week so

[00:58:15] in six ordinary weekday the Lord made the whole universe and uh so uh hope this uh is

[00:58:24] ful for people and here again are some of those websites uh that’s about all I

[00:58:30] had to say Kevin so but oh I love it I love it and exodus 2011 right you can’t

[00:58:37] you can’t say it’s uh it’s poetry or something right it’s not in Genesis 1 1- 11 so uh there you go um the Bible says

[00:58:44] it and uh yeah go ahead it’s in the 10 suggestions the one

[00:58:50] about telling telling uh the Israelites to uh honor the Sabbath day uh but but

[00:58:57] he he said the justification is uh he for in six of those type of days he made

[00:59:03] the whole universe so that’s right that’s right you know and I I always

[00:59:08] have people that say to me um if you’re listening you know I I frequently have will have people say oh why make a big deal out of the age of the Earth or why

[00:59:15] why even argue about this you know and the the reality is is that this is a fantastic first of all the Bible says it

[00:59:22] um and so it’s the reading of the text it’s the straightforward reading of the text if you have good hermeneutics

[00:59:29] you’re going to come to the conclusion that it’s a six day creation and uh it’s only about a 6,000 year old creation and

[00:59:36] so and the other thing is is that when you once you dismantle this whole you

[00:59:41] know deep time evolutionary time frame um evolution is gone you know it’s it’s

[00:59:46] it’s not an obstacle anymore there’s no more uh trying to justify you know the possibility that we we somehow exist

[00:59:53] without God and so it’s a fantastic tool to be able to uh minister to people and

[00:59:59] to witness to People by giving the evidence for um a recent creation and so

[01:00:05] uh don’t shy away from it I say embrace it and then go I I love just going out and talking to people about it because a

[01:00:11] lot of people have just never heard this stuff and when they hear it they’re just like what and uh and you’ll see light

[01:00:16] bulbs go on in their eyes and and a lot of people get excited so it makes sense

[01:00:22] of both the Bible and science you know the Bible wouldn’t make any sense

[01:00:28] doesn’t really there’s no way you can jam billions of years into it without doing violence to a number of

[01:00:34] scriptures uh but uh if you take it at face value uh you get uh a good

[01:00:41] explanation of the science facts so uh yeah it’s just that uh the old billions

[01:00:49] of years is uh it’s an Origins myth that has grip the entire world uh and uh uh

[01:00:59] people are really hard if people find it hard to let go of their Origins myth

[01:01:07] so yeah well you’re you’re doing incredible work and you are making a difference um along with so many other

[01:01:13] scientists like yourself like I said um the most recent poll in in 2019 says that 40% of Americans U believe in a

[01:01:20] recent creation just like the Bible says so uh that should be inspiring to everybody you can make a difference and

[01:01:26] the arguments are sound and the evidence is there so um that’s wonderful thank

[01:01:31] you Dr humph oh my privilege and thank you for telling me that by the way the 40% is something I didn’t know about so

[01:01:39] yeah yeah I was talking to Dr John Sanford a little while ago and he was discouraged saying uh and another guy I

[01:01:46] was talking to were a little discouraged and um you know what we just uh we just keep moving forward and uh I

[01:01:54] I know know that it’s it’s having an impact so I see it in my kids my students lives I I teach 12th grade

[01:01:59] seniors in Christian High School and um I see it happening with them right it’s making a difference in their life so

[01:02:05] that’s awesome yeah it does so okay well um we’re probably uh ask

[01:02:11] you to join us again in in the future Dr humph um just because you’re a wealth of information and uh and uh there’s so

[01:02:17] much stuff I’d like to ask you about so um we’ll probably connect with you in a couple months okay um let’s do that okay

[01:02:27] great thanks a lot for those of you who have uh tuned in again this was if you’re listening on podcast you missed

[01:02:32] out a lot on a lot of the slides a lot of really good stuff on here so check it out on YouTube um you’ll get more

[01:02:38] information you’ll be able to see all the the uh details of what Dr Humphrey’s talked about and uh he’s got articles

[01:02:44] all over the place if you want to check them out if you want to check out my website educate forlife.org I’ve got all

[01:02:50] kinds of useful Educational Tools up there for a uh helping your kids grow up

[01:02:55] to have a Biblical worldview building confident Christians that’s educate forlife.org you can check that out and

[01:03:02] all my past radio shows are up there too and we’ve got like I said archaeologist Douglas Petrovic coming up um not too um

[01:03:11] not too far away we’re going to be talking about the original language before the Tower of Babel which uh as Dr

[01:03:16] Humphrey said looks like it was a form of Hebrew so um that should be really exciting too uh I hope you have a great

[01:03:23] night tonight and um continue to trust the Bible God bless you and have a great night when

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