The Age of the Earth with Dr. Russell Humphreys

[00:00:01] thanks for being here my name is Kevin con I’m your host on educate for Life radio down here in Southern California we’re broadcasting on K pra 1210 a as

[00:00:08] well as FM 106.1 in North County and we’ve got a great show show for you this

[00:00:14] evening my guest is Dr Russ humph let me tell you a little bit about him he has a Bachelor’s of Science degree in physics

[00:00:20] from Duke University a PhD in physics on Cosmic raay and ultra high energy

[00:00:26] nucleon nucleon interactions that’s a mouthful from Louis Louisiana State

[00:00:31] University he worked in the high voltage laboratory of General Electric designing

[00:00:36] and inventing equipment and researching high voltage phenomena he worked for Sandia National Laboratories in nuclear

[00:00:42] physics geophysics pulse powerered research and theoretical Atomic and

[00:00:48] nuclear physics whoa that is incredible uh Dr humph thanks for being with us

[00:00:53] this evening um my pleasure I’m glad to be here here Kevin yeah well I’m I’m

[00:00:59] super excited um one of the the discussions that I get into with my students and with others in

[00:01:06] the church is over the age of the Earth um and how what evidence do we have that

[00:01:12] the Earth is actually uh been recently created the universe has been recently created versus um is it billions of

[00:01:18] years old like many of the secularists claim uh you know I believe it’s

[00:01:24] 14.6 billion years old that people argue uh the Earth is is and a lot of people

[00:01:30] um say hey they discount recent creationists they they they lump them in

[00:01:35] with flat earthers and they say hey uh there’s no evidence for the Earth being

[00:01:41] young and and so you say otherwise um but you weren’t always you weren’t

[00:01:47] always a creationist either um can you just take us back briefly um to how you

[00:01:53] ended up deciding to become a Biblical creationist um well I was was wasn’t

[00:02:00] raised by a Christian family my father was a chemist and a a pretty hard

[00:02:06] atheist uh my mother was sort of a backsliding Baptist uh and I’m not sure

[00:02:13] if she was a saved person or not I’m hoping she was um but uh she was a

[00:02:19] science teacher and so we were a very science-minded family and

[00:02:25] uh I but we all believed and I was raised to

[00:02:31] believe that the earth and the universe are billions of years old and uh I can

[00:02:36] remember a time when I was pretty young my dad explained to me when I asked him

[00:02:41] he just said it’s billions of years old oh home you know and everyone just told

[00:02:47] me uh that the Earth was billions of years old so um very few of them are I

[00:02:53] don’t recall any of them offering any evidence that it was billions of years old

[00:03:00] uh at College at Duke uh remember my Nuclear Physics textbook had one line in

[00:03:06] it about radioactivity dating um uh making the Earth three billion years old

[00:03:12] that was the in 1955 when that book was printed uhh I think the age of the Earth was

[00:03:19] three billion and not 4.5 so it’s gotten a little older in few years uh but I was

[00:03:27] an atheist calling myself an atheist too uh all that time and then

[00:03:34] uh uh when I when I went to grad school at Louisiana State

[00:03:40] University they sent me and my young family out with me my wife and two

[00:03:45] little kids out to Colorado to the mountains of Colorado and uh help uh

[00:03:51] build a cosmic ray laboratory on a high mountain out there and U my wife who

[00:03:58] became a Christian before I did uh I promised her to go with her to any

[00:04:08] uh any church that she wanted to go to and I wouldn’t make a Nuance of myself

[00:04:14] so we went to a small independent Bible Church out there near Dyan Colorado uh that’s up in the up in the

[00:04:22] mountains uh where we lived and uh you know when the uh pastors of

[00:04:29] the church Church found out that I was an atheist they immediately offered to

[00:04:35] give me and my wife too a Bible study in our home uh so I took them up on that

[00:04:42] and uh uh it turned out to be a very good Bible study from what I know now uh

[00:04:48] it covered really a lot of basic teachings in scripture and uh among them

[00:04:54] was that when a person accepts Christ as his savior the Holy Spirit comes to

[00:05:00] dwell within him uh that’s important later so I finished this course um and

[00:05:07] it prompted me to uh ask God whom I had been denying existed and all along knew

[00:05:15] he did exist in deep down inside uh I asked him well if you have anything to

[00:05:22] do with this Bible and with Jesus Christ um I’ll read the what I think is the

[00:05:27] oldest Gospel gospel of Mark and uh you go ahead and please convince me of it

[00:05:35] and so I did and he did uh the U uh I don’t know how he did it but after about

[00:05:42] two weeks I was uh completely convinced that the gospel of Mark was true now I

[00:05:49] wasn’t a Christian I wasn’t a saved person then I had to

[00:05:54] agree um and ask him to save me and I delayed doing that for a few weeks

[00:06:01] knowing my condition that if I died I’d wind up in uh Hades first and then the

[00:06:07] Lake of Fire later uh and uh so I was not real happy about all that but one day out in the

[00:06:15] woods near Frisco Colorado where we live it’s near Lake Dylan um I was running I

[00:06:22] was doing my daily run and uh I just got a strong conviction that uh

[00:06:30] you know that if I uh didn’t accept Christ as my savior I was first of all

[00:06:37] in in deep trouble as to my future uh but if I didn’t also I was going to I

[00:06:43] had the feeling that I was going to miss out on something really good uh so

[00:06:49] halfway through the run I sat down and looked up into the sky and said okay come on

[00:06:55] in that’s awesome because I’d been told that the Holy Spirit would invade not

[00:07:01] invade maybe that’s not a good word uh would come and dwell in me and things

[00:07:07] started changing from that point on I went on being an evolutionist uh

[00:07:14] for about a year but I was reading the Bible and the Bible was not at all uh

[00:07:20] consistent with billions of years and evolution taking place if you take the

[00:07:26] Bible straightforwardly and that it take it that it means what it says uh nothing

[00:07:32] like Evolution or the Big Bang or uh billions of years ever took place so I

[00:07:39] was I was really uh confused uh maybe you know just

[00:07:46] dissatisfied not not happy with uh uh what I didn’t understand uh and after

[00:07:53] about a year someone gave me a copy of Dr Henry Morris’s book um it’s it’s a

[00:07:59] one of one of his lesser known ones called biblical cosmology and modern

[00:08:05] science and in it he gave a lot of the evidence which I would like to show you know you a little bit of

[00:08:13] uh that the Earth is not billions of years old but as young as the Bible says

[00:08:19] it is uh and I immediately realize that uh this was it uh that I you know that

[00:08:28] evidence uh made me realize that I just been swallowing uh the idea of an old

[00:08:35] Earth all these years just because people said it was uh and I didn’t

[00:08:40] hadn’t ever asked them for evidence and here was Dr Morris uh giving me some

[00:08:45] rather simple evidence straightforward evidence uh that the Earth is Young so

[00:08:51] that’s when I started being a creationist and things just developed from there well I love that um and

[00:08:58] that’s actually what what I wanted to ask you about is that um you just said he gave you very simple evidence and I

[00:09:05] think for a lot of you know I teach high school students I I teach 12th grade seniors apologetics all year long and we

[00:09:11] this is part of what we cover and I’m looking for the evidences that are very straightforward they’re clear-cut

[00:09:18] there’s not a lot of um you know debate about the facts it’s the kind of stuff

[00:09:23] that it’s pretty well established science it’s not it’s not stuff that’s real theoretical or you know

[00:09:29] hypothetical or whatever the case um I’d love to hear some of those that that you feel are uh the ones that the average

[00:09:36] person can understand pretty simply and um and and are compelling sure um keep

[00:09:44] in mind though that no matter how simple and straightforward the evidence is and how how convincing it should be um uh a

[00:09:53] person who wants to believe in the billions of years will find ways around it but you can you can see after a while

[00:10:01] after you’ve given enough different pieces of evidence that they’re just stretching

[00:10:06] it yeah yeah so I I actually before we go on to this next thing I wanted to ask you that too you said that um you always

[00:10:14] knew that God existed um but it was something you didn’t

[00:10:19] acknowledge um when you when you say that uh because we know that in Romans 1

[00:10:25] that that’s what the Bible says it says that that everybody knows um what was going on inside you that you sayou know

[00:10:33] what I actually knew God existed even though I was kind of you know ignoring that well U first of all uh from ninth

[00:10:41] grade on I thought it was cool to be an atheist you know some of my best friends

[00:10:46] were atheists and you know and that that was the cool thing to be and so um I was

[00:10:52] saying uh with them that God didn’t exist uh and I didn’t really have too

[00:11:00] many doubts for a while but actually since I was a little kid I just had this

[00:11:05] Consciousness deep down inside that the uh this this world we in has a purpose

[00:11:13] and that there was somebody who made it uh I didn’t you know make that very conscious at all so I guess I was just

[00:11:21] pushing um pushing the knowledge of God way back into a corner and and don’t

[00:11:28] bother me with that okay so um and uh let’s see well when I got in trouble at

[00:11:35] a certain point in college though uh I found myself asking God to help me you

[00:11:43] know I was not saved but I was I was asking him to help me and um and so

[00:11:50] anyhow uh I did get out of that scrape and I think it’s because he had mercy on

[00:11:55] me uh so uh anyhow I went on like that

[00:12:00] uh but by the time of uh uh this time of the Bible study in

[00:12:06] Colorado and uh and running in the woods at that point uh I had I had no doubt

[00:12:14] that God existed you know that’s one of the things he did when he convinced me that the gospel of Mark was true uh had

[00:12:21] no no doubt about um any of that so but

[00:12:26] being intellectually convinced of the Truth uh was not enough I had to make an

[00:12:32] act of the will uh to uh ask him to save me and I did so that’s great so um so

[00:12:41] thanks for sharing that uh so so back to these uh more simple uh explanations for

[00:12:47] the age of the Earth uh share with those some of those that that uh Henry Morris

[00:12:52] outlined so why don’t I show a few I have them lined up here on my PowerPoint

[00:12:57] presentation I make um have made for to a number of churches and other places so I’ll see if

[00:13:06] my uh see if

[00:13:13] my or some reason uh the slides are not being

[00:13:19] Advanced I see them here oh

[00:13:25] okay it’s it’s just sharing the first screen before why isn’t my why aren’t my

[00:13:30] slides advancing I see a little arrow down at the bottom uh left that’s my

[00:13:35] arrow my cursor oh there we go okay there we go okay okay well we’ve already kind of talked about this a young world

[00:13:42] makes sense of both scripture and Science and uh uh so I’m reading out

[00:13:48] some of this for the benefit of the people who won’t have the video uh and

[00:13:54] by Young I mean thousands of years so uh here’s the fourth

[00:14:00] Commandment uh in scripture there I have two slides about the the biblical

[00:14:05] evidence and one is one of my favorite ones is Exodus 2011 for in six days the

[00:14:12] Lord made the heavens and the Earth and I won’t go through that slide I’ll just go on to the

[00:14:19] next U and uh one of my favorite New Testament verses is Jesus Christ in Mark

[00:14:26] 10:6 uh he said from the beginning of the creation God made them male and

[00:14:33] female uh and he wasn’t leaving any room uh for uh for the idea that uh the

[00:14:40] beginning of the universe was many billions of years ago and Mankind only came along recently uh he says from the

[00:14:48] beginning of the creation God made them male and female so he didn’t leave any room for long ages and then I have a

[00:14:56] slide that uh emphasizes that most of the ways you could date world this is a shocker to me uh

[00:15:04] most of the ways over 90% of them seemed to indicate that the world was less than

[00:15:11] billions of years old so this this is awesome did you did you put this

[00:15:17] together just gather these over time yes yes uh and this list that I’m going to

[00:15:23] uh give I’m going to give a a website later on uh uh not my own uh where you

[00:15:30] can get 101 pieces of evidence for a young Earth but uh of all the

[00:15:37] evidences my guess is about 90% of those um show a young Earth so that that was a

[00:15:45] a shock to me to find that out you know I I thought like you said at the beginning a lot of people think that uh

[00:15:54] there’s very little evidence for a young world and and all the evidence is on the

[00:15:59] other side it’s just the reverse of that does that make sense yeah that’s

[00:16:04] incredible I I love it okay uh so let me get to the first item uh about comets

[00:16:11] and uh my headline is that they crumble too quickly and they’re supposed to be

[00:16:16] as old as the solar system five billion years old and for the folks without

[00:16:22] video I’m showing a picture of a a nice Comet um and uh the life time of comets

[00:16:29] in the solar system uh typically is less than 10,000 years some of them can go up

[00:16:35] to 100,000 years like Hal’s comet is supposed to uh have a maximum life of uh

[00:16:43] 990,000 years but uh every time they go around the Sun they lose some of that in

[00:16:49] that stuff that’s in their tail that’s particles from the Sun are sweeping

[00:16:55] particles from the comet backward uh and making the tail and uh and that’s

[00:17:01] material lost from these dirty snowballs as one astronomer called them U and uh

[00:17:08] it never comes back so every time a comet goes by the sun uh it loses uh

[00:17:14] maybe 10 five or 10% of its material as it swings around the Sun and goes back

[00:17:19] out to the distant solar system U and it can’t do that too often before it’s all

[00:17:26] gone and often the Comets will break up as they go around the Sun uh or around a

[00:17:34] a planet like a big planet like Jupiter U so anyhow comets don’t last uh

[00:17:41] billions of years and so there’s a there’s several theories out there that

[00:17:47] the conventional scientists have um but they don’t work very well and I won’t go

[00:17:54] into them right now uh but their theories can’t account for the number of

[00:18:00] comets that we see in the solar system so that’s one you know I think

[00:18:07] that’s kind of simple is it does that make sense or is it yeah yeah essentially that if if comets uh we

[00:18:13] still see comets and they only last approximately 10,000 years yeah the

[00:18:19] shorter period the ones that go around the Sun fairly fast fairly frequently um

[00:18:25] less than 10,000 years for those so we shouldn’t be if if they’re billions of years old and they only last 10,000

[00:18:31] years we shouldn’t be seeing any more of them anymore is what you’re saying yeah yeah well yes uh there’s a theory called

[00:18:37] the Kyper belt and the ort Cloud theory that says there’s uh lots of these dirty

[00:18:43] snowballs out there but the Kyper Belt doesn’t seem to have enough uh and it’s

[00:18:49] only big balls of ice and the or Cloud uh has not been seen and then if you

[00:18:57] allow the theory is to move around and fill these clouds with different numbers

[00:19:03] of comets and make them at different distances from the solar system uh no

[00:19:08] matter what you do you can’t get the present number of comets uh in the solar

[00:19:14] system so uh it you know the last I heard uh they hadn’t had any

[00:19:21] success so that’s a you know that’s maybe a good example of how these

[00:19:26] evidences work the the Face Value the obvious interpretation here is that the

[00:19:33] solar system is uh less than 10,000 years old and that’s why we still have

[00:19:38] comets uh but uh if you want to have them still be around after billions of

[00:19:44] years you have to start inventing theories and and uh working on it so U

[00:19:51] that’s a typical example yeah that’s great can we move on

[00:19:56] to the another let’s go on to another one well let’s get down to earth uh and

[00:20:02] in fact down to the seafloor uh uh my title of my biograph is seaf Flor mud

[00:20:10] accumulates too fast and I have a picture of the Sun a cross-section of the continent the O the ocean and uh and

[00:20:19] mud on the ocean floor and then a plate that’s subducting subducting means lead

[00:20:26] under but there’s these plates of Rock uh 100 kilometers thick and uh and they

[00:20:32] cover the whole earth and they’re under the ocean and they slide from the ocean

[00:20:38] under the continent and uh so the amount of mud you can tabulate this just from

[00:20:44] geoscience journals and books uh everyone agrees with this uh that the

[00:20:51] amount of mud entering the ocean from rivers and dust storms and you know

[00:20:56] things like that uh is about 20 billion tons of mud per year and if you spread

[00:21:04] that mud throughout the ocean um what’s accumulated on the ocean now is about uh

[00:21:12] 400 meters thick you know several football fields thick uh if you spread

[00:21:19] it uniformly from edge to edge and then these plates that are underneath the mud

[00:21:25] underneath the ocean floor uh are busy sliding under the continents very slowly

[00:21:31] at about one or two inches per year and if they carry all of that 400 meter

[00:21:38] thickness of mud underneath then you get rid of about 1 billion tons per year so

[00:21:44] you have 20 billion tons going in and only one billion tons or maybe two um

[00:21:52] leaving so you have a whole lot more mud entering than leaving so after a while

[00:22:00] U uh if that continues uh for 12 million

[00:22:05] years distinguish Millions from billions here yeah after only 12 million years uh

[00:22:13] it would take uh that we would get the present amount of mud at at the present rate that mud is dumped into the ocean

[00:22:20] now 12 million is a whole lot smaller than the age that the evolutionist and

[00:22:26] the person who believes in long ages wants they want a three billion you know

[00:22:33] B is in big boy yeah three billion years we would just have a a a purely mud

[00:22:40] ocean yeah it would just be choked with mud it would be dozens of kilometers

[00:22:46] thick instead of only half a kilometer and U so uh so obviously there’s

[00:22:54] something wrong with the three billion of of years now uh The Genesis Flood which everyone

[00:23:02] tends to leave out of their calculations uh could put the present amount of mud in the ocean in one year

[00:23:09] after uh the waterers washed off the continents toward the end of the flood

[00:23:15] so uh but if things just happen at today’s rate 12 million years is the

[00:23:22] maximum so not billions so uh the next item I have is

[00:23:28] also related to the ocean uh the sea is not salty enough so

[00:23:34] it’s salt in the ocean now and again from geoscience literature secular

[00:23:40] literature things everyone agrees upon the amount of sodium going in from uh

[00:23:46] mostly from Rivers uh is about 450 million tons per

[00:23:52] year and as far as anyone knows only about a third of that manages to to get

[00:23:58] out of the ocean later on 120 million tons so 450 million going in 120 million

[00:24:05] going out and again it’s going to build up so so this one’s interesting because

[00:24:11] I actually I did a post on this I I posted this on uh social media um because I feel like it’s very compelling

[00:24:18] and I was doing some research on this and people were saying that uh the and

[00:24:24] and I’m just curious what your thoughts are on this but somebody was saying that the this they’re trying to figure out

[00:24:29] they’re trying to give an explanation for how it’s possible that uh the ocean is not saltier than it currently is and

[00:24:37] they said something about ions balancing or something or other uh I felt like it

[00:24:43] was just the rescuing device they were just trying to figure out some way to argue that you know some someone uh

[00:24:49] tried to apply a technical sounding word yeah exactly but basically what they’re

[00:24:56] saying is that they assume that there’s as much sodium going out as there is

[00:25:02] going in Dr Steve Austin and I did a technical paper uh that won a prize at

[00:25:09] the 1990 International Conference on creationism and in that paper we

[00:25:15] challenged geochemists um there some old earthers who were reviewing our paper uh for the

[00:25:23] for it and we challenged them uh to produce data that was against the data

[00:25:29] that we had uh and they didn’t they just flung words at us yeah and also uh at

[00:25:37] San die National Laboratories where I worked for many years in Albuquerque New Mexico um I uh uh went into the office

[00:25:47] of a young geochemist and and gave him the same stuff and said do you know of

[00:25:53] any way to get enough sodium out and we went round and around for at least half

[00:25:59] an hour and finally admitted that uh that that

[00:26:06] uh that he knew of no way to get rid of that sodium

[00:26:12] so uh but he said since we know the oceans are three billion years old there

[00:26:19] must be such a way you see what I’m doing what he’s doing circular reasoning

[00:26:26] so yeah it response was interesting and I went ahead with it and I said well would you like to see some evidence uh

[00:26:33] from other fields that the ocean and uh the Earth are much younger just like the

[00:26:40] evidence I gave you about the other stuff uh and he said no no I don’t want

[00:26:47] to read that until uh someone I trust tells me it’s okay and I said well who

[00:26:53] do you trust and uh he said Steph J goo and uh at that time Gould was a leading

[00:27:02] evolutionist but he was a paleontologist uh and uh completely outside this young man’s field of

[00:27:10] geochemistry but he was trusting Gould to tell him that it was okay for him to

[00:27:16] read creationist evidence you you so I was just amazed he

[00:27:22] had just subjected his mind um to he was subjecting his mind to to Scientific

[00:27:30] Authority and it didn’t seem to matter to him what was true yeah instead he he

[00:27:38] wanted to get brownie points and salary and uh other approval uh from um the uh

[00:27:46] science establishment it was sort of a game he played and so that just gives

[00:27:52] you a little clue as to how um how the science establishment works there’s a

[00:27:57] lot of people like that young man unfortunately uh and they just uh they

[00:28:03] believe the Earth is old simply because they believe that most other scientists believe the Earth is old and they never

[00:28:10] investigate y so I I’ve bumped into that quite a bit yeah good all right you

[00:28:17] ready for the next item yeah let’s do it let’s see what it maximum age 62 million

[00:28:24] years and The Genesis Flood again could uh could put most of the sodium or salt

[00:28:31] in the ocean uh if the pre- flood ocean was fresh water uh Mo uh you could

[00:28:38] calculate that most of the salt in the ocean um would come from The Genesis

[00:28:44] Flood so so The Genesis Flood would make it much younger so okay next

[00:28:50] item now I don’t know if you consider this a simple item the Earth’s magnetic field is losing energy too

[00:28:58] fast yeah I think it’s pretty simple because um I I like this one I I had this once somebody compared it to um you

[00:29:05] know the magnets falling off your refrigerator and I thought that was a great I thought that’s a good idea yeah

[00:29:11] I like that a great example if the Earth was a magnet it would fall off God’s refrigerator yeah there you

[00:29:18] go so yeah the magnetic fields what makes compasses turn north or south uh

[00:29:25] it’s not the Earth’s gravitation field at all so don’t people who are not real

[00:29:32] scientific might make that mistake but the uh Earth’s magnetic field comes from

[00:29:39] a a large electric current in the core of the earth it’s going from East uh to

[00:29:45] West and it’s about six billion ampi right now but it’s going through the

[00:29:50] Earth’s core which is a metal um and liquid metal but it’s not uh uh it’s not

[00:29:57] a perfect conductor by any means it’s got electrical resistance so it wears

[00:30:03] down this current as it’s circulating and you might think of it as of the

[00:30:09] electrons uh in the current as being sort of a fly wheel that’s turning and

[00:30:15] uh the flywheel is experiencing friction so it’s slowing down in the same way uh

[00:30:20] the electric current would decrease um and it turns out that it’s losing it from measurements at right now

[00:30:29] the rate that is losing energy is about it would lose half its energy every 1400

[00:30:36] years so if you go back in time pardon me I was gonna say this seems um this

[00:30:42] evidence seems so compelling to me um because as far as I understand it it’s

[00:30:48] not difficult to measure the magnetic field it’s actually pretty easy to measure is that is that correct it’s uh

[00:30:55] easy uh but it has to be it’s complicated in shape um so it has to be

[00:31:01] measured uh all over the world uh but it’s they’ve been measuring it all over

[00:31:06] the world since uh the 1800s mid 1800s I think about

[00:31:13] 1830 um so uh and so since that time the

[00:31:19] overall the main part of the Earth’s magnetic field has been obviously

[00:31:24] decaying now uh the the re the other the other side has

[00:31:30] some outs that um uh that seem like they’re important and that is

[00:31:37] if you go back more than a thousand years the earth field uh back then and

[00:31:43] earlier was complicated it went up and down uh but around the time of Christ it

[00:31:50] went into a great big slow curve and started going down and a thousand years

[00:31:56] ago it settled down to a nice steady Decay curve um but uh early on not long after

[00:32:04] the the flood during the Ice Age the Earth’s magnetic field was bouncing up and down and then during The Genesis

[00:32:12] Flood the Earth’s magnetic field was actually reversing Direction uh about

[00:32:18] once every few days or every few weeks U and uh so the North Pole and the South

[00:32:25] Pole of the magnet would change places now the Earth itself didn’t turn over

[00:32:30] just the direction of that electric current changed but what kind of impact

[00:32:36] would that have on the world or is that is that uh that seems kind of

[00:32:41] incredible well um uh no it wouldn’t have much impact on

[00:32:48] the world at all um electric current in the in the walls of our house in your

[00:32:55] studio is reversing it itself 60 times a second so here we’re talking about the

[00:33:01] current direction reversing itself uh once every two or three years uh I mean

[00:33:07] once every two or three days and uh but all this time when it

[00:33:12] was reversing or when the field was bouncing up and down uh the overall

[00:33:18] current was losing energy and so uh uh

[00:33:23] it’s uh so the field has been comp in the past but uh but it’s overall it’s

[00:33:31] been losing energy all this time since creation it lost it faster during the reversals in

[00:33:38] The Genesis Flood than it now is so but you can just take that 14400 years uh uh

[00:33:47] the Earth’s field has always lost its energy at least that fast and sometimes

[00:33:53] faster so that sets a a limit on how old the field could be uh of about 20,000

[00:33:59] years so I know is some of this a little um not clear no no it’s very

[00:34:08] clear um I think I think you know again back to the magnet falling off the fridge that’s essentially what you’re

[00:34:14] saying is that the Earth’s uh magnetic uh you know north south is

[00:34:20] essentially decreasing over time so just hypothetically you know if we were to

[00:34:26] scrap late this out into the future would that just mean that the that that

[00:34:32] you could no longer use a compass or or or if the field went away entirely yeah

[00:34:37] yeah but uh aside from some birds and bacteria that navigate that way uh we

[00:34:44] wouldn’t notice much else uh we wouldn’t get those nice auroras that we see at

[00:34:50] the poles because the magnetic sheet field sort of funnels particles from the

[00:34:56] Sun then from outside the solar system uh down into the poles and it’s those

[00:35:02] particles charge particles coming down uh that make the Aurora these curtains

[00:35:08] those vertical curtains yeah yeah and so we would we wouldn’t get to see that but

[00:35:14] the Earth’s atmosphere would uh is our main defense against the particles from outside the Earth uh uh and the magnetic

[00:35:22] field is not contrary to what a lot of people have thought the magnetic field

[00:35:28] really doesn’t matter too much uh so I guess other than losing a a navigational

[00:35:35] uh tool and losing um the pretty auroras uh I don’t think if the field went away

[00:35:42] uh we’d miss it much so I think it’s yeah go ahead what is it that causes the

[00:35:49] magnetic field specifically like from a physics perspective um what is it that’s

[00:35:54] gener how is that being generated oh it’s uh well it doesn’t have to be

[00:36:00] generated once it’s started uh once you start the current in the

[00:36:06] core uh it’s sort of a it’s electromagnetic inertia will keep it spinning just like that flywheel I

[00:36:12] talked you about U and it will slowly run down but uh for uh conductors as

[00:36:20] large as the Earth’s core uh the the running the running down time is

[00:36:25] thousands of years okay so that the magnetic field is not

[00:36:30] generated by the Spin of the Earth or anything like that nope nope it is okay

[00:36:37] interesting it’s just a coincidence that it it’s the axis of the magnetic field

[00:36:44] is within about 11 degrees of the um poles the spin poles so uh but it’s not

[00:36:53] equal to the SK uh to you know it’s not aligned with the spin poles and so when

[00:36:59] a when a secularist looks at something like this you know somebody who’s talking about the Earth being billions

[00:37:05] of years old and this kind of evidence is there um do they just think to

[00:37:10] themselves oh that’s just an anomaly we don’t we don’t you know that’s an outlier and we’re not GNA try to figure

[00:37:18] that out it’s not that big of a deal we we we’ve got other evidences that we feel are more compelling for the age of

[00:37:23] the Earth than the magnetic field is that what a person is thinking generally um I guess uh the problem is that uh

[00:37:32] they have a theory too for how the Earth’s magnetic field is generated uh it’s called a dynamo theory but

[00:37:39] basically it’s like U the the liquid

[00:37:44] metal in the core molten metal moves around in very complicated patterns and

[00:37:49] somehow works like a an electric generator uh to make the current uh but

[00:37:57] they’ve been trying for a hundred years to make that theory work and so far it’s

[00:38:02] uh not very far beyond the hand waving stage uh and so

[00:38:08] um uh and then the other thing they well there’s a lot of problems but anyhow

[00:38:13] they have a theory we have a theory and uh our Theory uh says how um uh it looks

[00:38:21] like God started up the Earth’s magnetic field and uh if you apply that same

[00:38:26] Theory to other planets and and objects in the solar system it works for them too so it’s not just the Earth um that

[00:38:36] we can explain we uh in fact I uh predicted what space probes would

[00:38:42] discover on as yet unvisited planets back in the 80s U and when the Voyager 2

[00:38:51] visited those planets it measured uh the fields the amount of

[00:38:56] fields that I had predicted uh which was better than the other side had done they uh they

[00:39:04] flopped uh so they didn’t do very well at at predicting what Voyager would find

[00:39:10] so we’ve got a field and um the thing about this theory is it

[00:39:16] wouldn’t work on a on an old solar system it could only work if the solar

[00:39:21] system was less than about 10,000 years old uh so um is so it’s not just the

[00:39:28] Earth it’s the whole solar system magnetic fields at different planets and

[00:39:33] on the sun and the former field that the moon used to have and Mars used to have

[00:39:39] a a strong magnetic field and all of that fits our Theory pretty well uh but

[00:39:46] it doesn’t so um maybe I should mention a book

[00:39:52] uh uh there’s a book uh that uh fellow creation aist

[00:39:57] engineer electrical engineer and I wrote his name is Mark

[00:40:03] despain U and he’s a good science writer so he took a lot of the technical papers

[00:40:08] I’ve written about all this and condensed them down to a book and threw away all my nice equations and and uh

[00:40:17] and filled it with color uh color pictures uh it’s very nice book so it’s

[00:40:22] called Earth’s mysterious magnetism and and where can they get that if

[00:40:28] somebody wants to look into that go to Creation research.org okay creation research.org Now is that

[00:40:35] your personal website no that’s the creation research Society I’m a I’m a member of it um and they uh they

[00:40:43] published and print this book U so it’s creation research all onew

[00:40:50] word.org and then go to their bookstore and look for just magnetic field or

[00:40:56] mysterious magnetism or yeah and for those and for those of you listening um if you’re interested in more of uh Dr

[00:41:03] humph has written numerous articles that are accessible online um whether it’s

[00:41:08] icr.org or Answers in Genesis or creation.com there’s numerous articles

[00:41:14] that he’s written on many many different subjects related to physics and these sorts of things so if that’s your if

[00:41:20] that’s your uh you know the kind of stuff you like to look into uh there’s a wealth of information there

[00:41:27] thank you that’s uh that helps people I think to to know that so yeah absolutely

[00:41:34] okay what do we got we got another one sure uh let’s see oh here’s the the

[00:41:41] picture of the book uh Earth’s mysterious magnetism and that of other

[00:41:47] Celestial orbs uh and so that was came out in

[00:41:52] 2015 so you can get um um an an ebook

[00:41:58] and on amazon.com ebook version of it and I

[00:42:03] think it’s on creation.com too that’s um so anyhow biological material this is a

[00:42:12] new field and it’s we’re getting more data that’s uh pretty good every day U

[00:42:19] bi biological material mutates or decays too

[00:42:25] fast so you know what DNA is most everybody has heard of DNA the sure the

[00:42:30] blueprint that’s in every one of our cells uh what you may not know is that

[00:42:36] if you um uh if you take DNA out of a body um and put it in a you know nice

[00:42:45] safe place like a refrigerator that’s dry and there’s no no germs to eat it um

[00:42:51] and no chemicals to work on it uh the DNA itself is kind of fragile it tends

[00:42:57] to fall apart uh and after 10,000 years there would be very little of it left so

[00:43:04] that sets a kind of a limit on things um and I’m going to go through a few U

[00:43:09] items here uh one is mitochondrial eve that happened back in

[00:43:16] 1998 uh where uh they set a limit on the

[00:43:22] little mitochondria those are the little energy globules in each cell they have

[00:43:27] their own DNA and it mutates and it mutates too fast and it sets a limit on

[00:43:33] how how long human mitochondria could have had DNA U and you know that just

[00:43:42] there would be too many mutations after a certain length of time and just to

[00:43:47] just to ask you a question about that drre so when you say mutates my understanding of that is that within

[00:43:53] within the um DNA you have about three three billion letters right uh tcga you

[00:43:59] have the three billion letters and a mutation a point mutation is where one of those letters is malformed I guess or

[00:44:07] yeah or a new letter is put in is that what you mean when you say it if you have if you can see the video uh these

[00:44:14] little links between the two uh ends of the Spiral uh would get broken uh and

[00:44:22] they wouldn’t link up next time uh DNA got reassembled after after each cell

[00:44:27] divided and you’d get you’d get a mistake in the in the information that’s

[00:44:34] in the DNA and then when the protein is made by the cell from that information

[00:44:41] it would get the it would have the information wrong so the protein wouldn’t work right U that’s a mutation

[00:44:49] and the cosmic rays and chemicals and uh radiation just natural radiation

[00:44:56] um lots of lots of things can disrupt U the DNA so so and when you say when you

[00:45:04] say it mutates too fast um are you saying that well you have it right there

[00:45:09] on the slide there it says DNA has gone after 10,000 years you mean that that that there have been so many mutations

[00:45:16] that essentially it becomes useless uh after time and that’s what the

[00:45:22] mitochondrial eve secular scientists uh uh they said uh they could trace from

[00:45:28] the mitochondria back through the mother line the female part of a

[00:45:35] person’s genetics it could trace it back to a single woman who lived uh uh to get

[00:45:42] the present amount of mutations that we see in mitochondria uh after uh and then they

[00:45:50] used a theoretical number at the for the rate of mutation and they said well mitochondrial Eve would be about 200,000

[00:45:57] years ago but um when they actually started measuring how fast the rates really are

[00:46:06] uh they revised that figure downward and the lower limit of that figure was 6,000

[00:46:12] years and the journal science actually reported this in the in January 2nd

[00:46:18] 1998 uh they said uh Mito Eve could be as low as 6,000 years old and and they

[00:46:26] said hahaa but we know the Earth is older than that of course right so uh that’s very interesting so

[00:46:35] um So based on that I mean that’s lines up exactly with what the Bible teaches

[00:46:41] from the chronologies yeah it does and uh and there’s lots of other things in U

[00:46:47] in the mutations of the body I’m just giving a a small selection of them uh

[00:46:54] DNA and Amber uh uh you know they haven’t got Dino DNA from the mosquito

[00:47:01] in the Amber like you know Jurassic Park did remember that but they have got the

[00:47:08] DNA of the inet in the Ember U and some of one one of them articles had the DNA

[00:47:17] being 135 million years old but even under the ideal conditions in Amber uh

[00:47:24] the DNA would only last uh U about 10,000 years maybe 20,000 but not 135

[00:47:33] million so I I have another question about this um you know not too long ago

[00:47:39] Mary schwitzer I know you’re you’re probably a very familiar with this whole thing that happened with the T-Rex yes

[00:47:45] let me get down to on here it five I’ll let you pick dinosaur dinosaur blood cells yeah about

[00:47:53] 70 million years is that what you were going to ask about yeah and I was going to ask about um one

[00:47:58] of the uh counterpoints that people have brought up about the iron supposedly

[00:48:04] being able to preserve the soft tissue for some reason and I just wanted to I was curious about your thoughts about

[00:48:11] that but don’t let me force you to hop ahead if you if you want to cover these other well we don’t need to get all of these U the others were a lot like the

[00:48:18] first but the dino blood cells really is dramatic and U so uh this theory that

[00:48:26] the iron inhibits uh uh decay of those cells

[00:48:31] because they’re they’re red by the way you know they didn’t they didn’t turn brown or black as they normally would

[00:48:40] um um the theory is that somehow the iron in the blood cells uh preserve them

[00:48:48] but uh they haven’t been able to make that theory work

[00:48:53] experimentally they uh so it’s just a nice theory that doesn’t work so uh but

[00:49:01] uh on the face of it it’s pretty ridiculous I heard one secular

[00:49:07] researcher said this you know dinos have been compared to big

[00:49:12] turkeys U and he said would you eat a turkey sandwich that was 70 million

[00:49:18] years old so that’d be pretty gross so so uh

[00:49:25] so and that that seems incredibly unrealistic um you know they’re trying

[00:49:30] to find a way to prop this up and and hold it together when you’ve got evidence that’s right in front of your face that there’s just no way yeah um

[00:49:39] yeah it you the thing to understand is how strong this desire to have the long

[00:49:48] ages is U if if they abandon that they throw away huge pieces of their world

[00:49:56] view so Mary schwitzer for example uh was a u uh an old Earth Christian uh is

[00:50:06] I think she still is um and but she vehemently denied that she was a young

[00:50:11] Earth creationist when her fellow researchers were accusing her of being a young Earth so but she was the first one

[00:50:19] to find this and uh she uh I think she was the one that invented the uh the IR

[00:50:26] uh but it’s a sort of a desperation Theory and U until they can really

[00:50:32] verify it in the lab uh uh it just doesn’t seem credible to have uh things

[00:50:39] and and it’s not only the blood cells with the iron in them that did what uh did uh you know somehow survive 70

[00:50:47] million years according to them but uh my top picture is of a blood vessel

[00:50:54] found in the same bone um uh which after they uh Stripped Away

[00:50:59] the minerals from around it U it was as flexible as rubber so uh and there wasn’t much iron

[00:51:09] uh in uh in those so yeah so I mean I

[00:51:15] heard there’s other there’s other U uh soft tissue found in and they’re finding

[00:51:22] more and more of it in the dino bones and other fossils um and soft tissue um

[00:51:29] doesn’t survive millions of years either it’s been measured in the lab how fast

[00:51:36] it decays and so U this is a a matter of experimental science you can you know

[00:51:43] you can speed up how fast things Decay by raising the temperatur just a little bit um so you can you can study it in

[00:51:50] the lab how fast it decays and so far um uh all this stuff the soft tissue the

[00:51:56] red blood cells and other things U uh

[00:52:02] Decay rather rapidly and way too fast to have the millions of years so that’s a

[00:52:10] that’s a lot of incredible evidence um we’re we’re actually almost out of time here and uh I feel like we barely

[00:52:15] scratched the surface but but um I’d love to have a I’d love to have a part two with you sometime if you’re open to

[00:52:22] it okay yes uh that’ work out fine uh there’s places people can go to

[00:52:29] get the uh in uh dino blood cells and uh there’s a special issue of the creation

[00:52:36] research Society quarterly uh in 2015 spring of

[00:52:41] 2015 so you go uh it has lots of good things soft tissue and fossils Half-Life

[00:52:48] measured at thousands of years before the soft tissue goes away uh carbon 14

[00:52:55] in fossils also and uh so you just go to creation research.org

[00:53:02] and uh you go to the tab about um periodicals or Publications and you look

[00:53:08] up the journal and go uh to the spring 2015 issue it’s a whole issue devoted to

[00:53:15] uh to this kind of stuff uh including the lab uh experiments so that’s

[00:53:23] fantastic you know um I had before we before we uh close down here I I want to ask you one other thing which is

[00:53:29] um do you in your um assessment of you know what you seeing happen in the

[00:53:35] culture at large uh is this information because I feel like a lot of what we’re dealing with is just a lack of

[00:53:40] information a lot people just are completely unaware that this is even the case um do you do you feel like this

[00:53:47] information is getting out more and more to people that people are becoming more aware of these uh evidences and these

[00:53:53] they’re science-based evidences um it’s I think it’s getting out at the Grassroots level but it’s not getting

[00:54:00] out at the big media level uh so uh it’s usually uh one one person will have

[00:54:08] encountered evidence like this collected a little bit of it and talk to

[00:54:14] a a professor friend for example and present him with that and uh

[00:54:20] you know sometimes a professor gets convinced uh so been a lot who have

[00:54:26] become creationists that way so uh but it’s just uh person to person yeah it’s

[00:54:35] not uh it’s not mass media you know um this this would really be terrific to

[00:54:41] have this presentation uh on the mass media but yeah we gotta we gotta get you

[00:54:47] on uh we gotta get you on Joe Rogan’s show um one more question uh Dr Humphrey

[00:54:55] um you know um what do what do you think from a creation you know as a scientist

[00:55:02] and a creationist what do you think are some of the Cutting Edge issues that uh

[00:55:08] would really um you know besides this because this is incredibly powerful but besides

[00:55:14] this what are some of the areas where you think if the research is done if the

[00:55:20] answers are found that you think creationists really need to spend some time on in order to um you know really really add some

[00:55:30] persuasive scientific evidence to the case for creation what what would you uh

[00:55:36] say is a important Focus um well this that we’ve just been talking about the

[00:55:42] biological um uh rates of Decay uh is a wide open field and uh it’s powerful uh

[00:55:50] and have you know we keep building up that evidence uh

[00:55:55] so that’s especially if somebody is um interested in fossils or interested in biology and genetics and learns a lot

[00:56:03] about it uh uh there’s a lot of good things they could do another is uh um

[00:56:12] uh carbon 14 and uh and there are some holes that we are presently starting to

[00:56:19] patch up on that but uh there are people who uh who uh

[00:56:25] uh do carbon 14 for a living they’re professionals uh and if one of those

[00:56:31] gets a hold of a lab uh uh and U and starts uh doing good work uh on all of

[00:56:39] these fossils uh were showing that they’re pretty young uh and you know all

[00:56:47] the evidence that we do have from the fossils is that they are pretty young according to carbon 14 uh but it would

[00:56:54] be nice to have that really sewed up and in the professional literature and uh done with

[00:57:02] uh a good lab so when you say um when you say get a hold of a lab you mean um

[00:57:09] have the money to actually you know get get everything together to have a full

[00:57:14] uh professional uh radio radio isotope dating lab is what you’re talking about yes or uh or if or they wouldn’t need to

[00:57:23] own the lab if they had um full access to it and uh and the person who ran

[00:57:31] owned the lab didn’t mind if they said oh by the way I’m a creationist and and here’s evidence that the Earth is Young

[00:57:38] if uh if the the the owner of the lab uh would not mind that U then that would

[00:57:46] open up another door um what uh how much how much does a lab like that cost we

[00:57:52] gota we gota find a donor for that uh well it’s millions of dollars

[00:57:57] unfortunately the U you need a a special kind of

[00:58:03] accelerator U to be able to U uh take

[00:58:08] very small amounts of carbon 14 and uh and determine uh how much of that you

[00:58:15] have in your sample uh it takes a big accelerator to do that so it’s not so

[00:58:21] when you say when you say millions of dollars what are you talking about like 5 million 10 million 20 million what do

[00:58:27] you I really don’t know uh I do know that uh the labs I’ve seen uh uh are

[00:58:34] pretty classy and pretty well equipped and and you I know you would take

[00:58:40] U numerous millions of dollars to make the lab another thing uh we if we had as

[00:58:48] long as we’re having our wishes about lab I I would like to see a lab it’s

[00:58:54] almost Christmas time some someone would who would be able to continue our work

[00:58:59] on helium in zircons and other minerals um further uh we had to uh fool an

[00:59:08] evolutionist lab into getting our first item of data we just didn’t bother to

[00:59:14] tell them that we were creationists and uh so we got one of the world’s best uh

[00:59:21] evolutionist uh experts in measuring how how fast helium leaks out of

[00:59:28] zircons these radioactive little minerals in Granite U uh anyhow we have

[00:59:35] a we we got a really good piece of evidence from that that I haven’t talked

[00:59:40] here about yet but uh we’d like to follow that up and so what we need is a

[00:59:46] lab that is willing to do that uh willing to take it on the chin from uh

[00:59:52] from uh their colleague who are not creationists so uh you know so that’s

[01:00:01] another wish list I love it well I I think uh I think that those are things

[01:00:06] are real possibilities so I’m G to be praying about that and spread the word because I think it’s uh incredibly

[01:00:12] valuable what you’ve been doing and are continuing to do so um thank you so much

[01:00:17] um I really appreciate your time well thank you Kevin for this opportunity I

[01:00:22] like to get this information out or will’ll do some good so well I’m going

[01:00:27] to I’m going to follow up and ask you to have a part two because uh I feel like there’s so much more to cover so I’ll

[01:00:33] look forward to that yeah we’re only uh you know about halfway through the

[01:00:38] evidences so yeah well that list you showed me was like 50 50 different uh

[01:00:45] items on there so yeah let me tell people uh where they can get the full list of yeah 101 evidences for a young

[01:00:54] Earth and it’s on the uh the creation Ministries International website the uh

[01:01:01] let’s see it’s creation. org I believe and uh you go to creation. org

[01:01:08] and put into the search window uh 101 evidences

[01:01:13] 101 just spell out uh 101 evidences in the search window and

[01:01:20] you’ll come up with this uh article that has a lot of uh documentation attached

[01:01:26] to it um uh for 101 items of evidence

[01:01:31] pointing to a young Earth so I love that okay well for those of you listening I

[01:01:37] hope you enjoyed the program this evening huge blessing um again that’s Dr Russ Humphrey’s you can just Google his

[01:01:43] name look at it go to creation.com answers and Genesis icr.org numerous articles that are very technical

[01:01:50] professional um it’s the kind of stuff that you can put in front of a professor and say say hey tell me what you think

[01:01:55] this is written by a uh physicist PhD scientist here with tons of credentials

[01:02:01] and just a great opportunity to share the truth with those around us whether you’re at a university a college or

[01:02:07] wherever you are um and uh we’ll have Dr Humphrey’s on the show again in the future I hope you can join us we do next

[01:02:13] next uh week we have Don blly who goes on to college campuses um in order to

[01:02:19] persuade people that abortion is wrong he’s with Atwell Ministries we also have

[01:02:25] the progression of the global flood coming up with Dr Tim Clary from the icr

[01:02:30] uh we have the story of a d transitioner coming up um somebody who was led to

[01:02:36] believe that they were born into the wrong body and ended up doing I guess

[01:02:42] that’s not funny yeah yeah ended up becoming a trans person and then and has

[01:02:48] since then reversed that decision what a horrible tragedy and um that something

[01:02:54] that we’re also going to be sharing with um our guests so uh thanks for being

[01:02:59] here this evening you guys and uh thank you again Dr humph for being with us thank you blessing and we will um we

[01:03:07] guys we’ll see you guys next week I hope you have a great week keep fixing your eyes on the Lord and um like Paul says

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[01:03:21] like the world’s falling down but um you know with Christ with us uh we we

[01:03:27] despite the turmoil around us we can have peace in the midst of the storm so we just keep our eyes fixed on Christ

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