The Ice Age and Dinosaurs with Dr. Tim Clarey

[00:00:00] hey thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover you’re listening to educate for life we’re broadcasting locally down here in
[00:00:06] Southern California on FM 106.1 in North County and then also on K praise 1210 a.m. down here in San Diego
[00:00:13] uh Southern California and uh not too long ago I um I had a guest on the show
[00:00:20] Dr Tim Clary and we talked about some pretty amazing stuff uh Cutting Edge science demonstrating um that there was
[00:00:26] a worldwide flood a hard data um from all over the world through looking at
[00:00:31] geology and um oil wells and um the different strata within that they’ve
[00:00:37] they’ve uh pulled from um the oil dig the the digging that they’ve done uh
[00:00:42] drilling for oil and he received a master of science in geology in 1984
[00:00:48] from the University of Wyoming he’s got a master of science in hydrogeology in 1993 from Western Michigan University
[00:00:54] and a PhD in geology in 1996 from Western Michigan University uh he’s
[00:00:59] worked as a professor um and uh geosciences chair at Delta College in
[00:01:05] Michigan he was there for 17 years and today he studies the evidence for creation and the flood Dr Clary thanks
[00:01:12] for being on the show again oh it’s a pleasure to be here pleasure to be back yeah fantastic and so we tackled um you
[00:01:19] know a lot of that evidence for the flood last time and this evening we’re gonna we’re going to tackle the Ice Age
[00:01:25] and um dinosaurs and I think for most people um just the average Christian you
[00:01:31] know there’s not a real clear picture of how the Ice Age fits in with things you
[00:01:36] know we hear about it from a secular P perspective as far as I understand it um
[00:01:42] those on the secular side believe that there were three ice ages and uh they’ve
[00:01:47] got a completely different Paradigm for what what happened with the ice ages as
[00:01:52] opposed to when we look at uh creation and the historical record of the Bible and then also a lot of people are really
[00:01:58] confused about how dinosaurs is fit into the Bible uh and I think a lot of people they just go you know what I don’t know
[00:02:03] and they just kind of push it to the side um but why is it important that people are able to understand both you
[00:02:10] know the Ice Age and also dinosaurs as it pertains to the Bible and being a Christian well like it like it says in
[00:02:16] the Bible we should be able to give an answer when people ask us questions we should know enough about science that
[00:02:21] that we can answer questions and and that’s what we provide at icr we try to provide the answers to these questions
[00:02:26] that you know a lot of people have as Christians out there you know they struggle I’ve had students in my classes
[00:02:32] who some of them to the extreme they deny that dinosaurs even existed they think they’re just you know people are making that up all the way to people you
[00:02:38] know saying of course they 68 million years old or 100 million years old all that kind of stuff that’s that’s the
[00:02:44] normal conventional science stories that they’re millions of years old but we see that’s not really true there’s evidence
[00:02:49] to show that they’re really young and they do fit in the Bible that in the Book of Job reading job 40 and job 41
[00:02:56] they’re probably describing Beth and Leviathan are probably dinosaurs I was I was astonished U one time one of
[00:03:03] my students I’ve been teaching for 16 years now 12th grade uh Bible on apologetics and one of my students told
[00:03:10] me that his youth youth pastor told him that uh the devil put dinosaur bones in
[00:03:16] the ground to test our faith I I I I just was astonished have you heard that
[00:03:23] before I heard that I said once from a student a student whose parents were pastors had a church back in Michigan
[00:03:29] and and that was that was the common story back in like the 17th century people believed that fossils were just
[00:03:36] you know things the devil was there to trick us with and so but those are real living animals that were buried in the
[00:03:42] flood that’s part of the evidence of the flood worldwide and when it comes to being a
[00:03:47] like you like you said when it comes to being a witness for Christ and and a Workman that can show himself approved
[00:03:52] if you’re giving answers like this and you’re you’re at a university or somewhere people are going to lose respect really quickly uh for anything
[00:03:59] you have to say about the truth of Jesus Christ if your stories about dinosaurs
[00:04:07] are you know wildly off right yeah right you know to deny they existed you know
[00:04:12] and I told the stud said look I used I dug up some of these bones I can show you the pictures and and I some of the bone fragments I still have and so
[00:04:20] they’re real fossils they the real thing but there’s evidence in those fossils of
[00:04:25] course that we’ll talk a little bit about that they’re not that old you know there’s there’s proteins and things inside so they can’t be millions of years
[00:04:32] old so um so contrast the secular view of the Ice Age um break that down for us
[00:04:40] what is the secular view of how the ice ages fit into everything well as you mentioned they believe in what’s called
[00:04:46] uniformitarianism so they believe everything’s been uniform so there have been multiple ice ages they believe of
[00:04:52] course throughout geologic time there’s been several different major ones and then the most recent one they think
[00:04:57] there was a bunch of pulses and maybe as much as you know some people say as much as 40 or 50 of them in the last couple
[00:05:03] million years which really we just consider all really is one Ice Age the most recent one that’s the one you hear
[00:05:10] about that’s the one we find the fossils of like the mastadons and the mammoths all over the world particularly Northern
[00:05:16] latitudes of course we we see the evidence for that and I’ll talk a little bit about that but we believe there was
[00:05:21] one Ice Age that was caused by the flood so the flood Not only was a global changing catastrophic event that you
[00:05:28] wiped out all all the air breathing animals that weren on the ark along with
[00:05:33] you know the all the humans that weren’t on the ark but it also changed the faith of the earth dramatically and it set up
[00:05:39] conditions by heating the making a whole new seaf Flor it heated the ocean water considerably the ocean water got very
[00:05:46] very hot uh you know much hotter we don’t know exactly how hot people have estimated maybe 20 degrees Celsius
[00:05:52] hotter 30 degrees Celsius hotter you we talk scientific terms but you’re looking at water that might have been 70 80
[00:05:57] degrees and you know all over because all the whole seafloor was created new during the course of the flood putting
[00:06:04] all that heat into the water and water takes a long time to cool down and a long time to heat up so once it heated
[00:06:09] up it took a long time to cool down well all that time that the water was really really hot it was evaporating much more
[00:06:16] rapidly or more easily than it had been and so for hundreds of years while the water was cooling down you had a lot
[00:06:22] more rainfall and you had a lot of snow in the north particularly because the atmosphere was being cooled because of
[00:06:28] the volcanic activity from those subductions on volcanoes like M St Helens that were kind of really peing at
[00:06:35] the end of the flood and into the early centuries After the flood even Mount airat was erupting dramatically during
[00:06:40] the ice stage so all these explosive volcanoes not every volcano but the subduction on volcanoes that have a
[00:06:46] different chemistry they’re the explosive kind like we see in the Cascades in in the west coast those
[00:06:52] volcanoes were putting up aerosols into the atmosphere and every time they had erupt you know one here one here one
[00:06:57] here all the time it wasn’t just one every a couple of years it was quite frequently all over the world making the
[00:07:03] uian islands making the Caribbean islands all these islands were forming at about the same time and they were putting all that aerosols in the
[00:07:10] atmosphere cooling the Earth so you had a colder atmosphere you had lots of evaporation so in the equator you had
[00:07:16] rain lots and lots of rain in Egypt and places around the Middle East you had lots and lots of rain uh it was wasn’t
[00:07:22] really a desert at all for maybe well over a thousand years after the flood and so Egypt didn’t really start in a
[00:07:28] desert civilization started in a well watered location the Sahara Desert was well watered even The evolutionary
[00:07:34] geologists look back in the Ice Age time and they see those Rivers running through the Sahara Desert and we don’t think it was that long ago you know just
[00:07:41] maybe 3500 4,000 years ago when the ice age when you say when you say they they see these Rivers running through the
[00:07:47] Sahara Desert you’re you’re talking about rivers that are no longer there right rivers that are no longer there but they can they can see the deposits
[00:07:54] and they can also see with some of the satellite imagery and things you can actually almost see the trails and some these cases with remote sensing
[00:08:01] techniques but a lot of it they they can see the fossil evidence they can see these things underneath the sand they
[00:08:06] get the sand away and they can find some of these with the sand blew away they see these Ice Age deposits that show
[00:08:12] evidence of you know a wet climate you know a lot of animals that lived in water or thereabouts and so you get you
[00:08:19] know when you when read the Bible and you read about you know the Israelites going out into the Wilderness that’s the
[00:08:25] proper pronunciation or the proper proper word to use it wasn’t really a desert like some Bibles interpret as a
[00:08:30] desert because it really wasn’t a desert back then it was probably still well watered even the time of Moses well that’s really interesting
[00:08:37] because what that means is that all the movies that we’ve been watching are getting it way wrong yeah you know people just assume it’s like it always
[00:08:43] is but you yeah I think was basally different we got to kind of change our mindset on that but there but bottom
[00:08:49] line with the Ice Age then so you have all hot water putting all this evaporation a lot of moisture a lot of rain and then in the north because the
[00:08:55] aerosols in the atmosphere blocking out enough sunlight continually it doesn’t just like you know like today we get one
[00:09:01] that’ll cool the Earth for a couple of years and it goes away but if you have a bunch of them going off you can cool the Earth for several hundred years and that
[00:09:07] that caused snow to come down in the north lots and lots of snow came down but didn’t melt from year to year and if you build up Snow from year to year it
[00:09:14] eventually gets thick enough to become ice So within maybe 200 years after the flood you had a full-blown Ice Age going
[00:09:20] on you know massive ice sheets built up across Northern North America northern
[00:09:26] Europe Northern Asia and how far down did those ice sheets how far down did those ice sheets
[00:09:31] come also well they also impacted the mountains so you had more more you know big huge ice ice sheets going through
[00:09:37] the mountains and the Rockies but they only came down to maybe Kansas Nebraska
[00:09:43] in the United States Wisconsin there was a couple different advances and and kind of melt backs a little bit you know they
[00:09:48] they consider those separate events almost but it’s all really one ice AG it’s really really only one Ice Age
[00:09:56] really only strong evidence for one ice age in the world that ever happened and all the other ones are all inferred based on some scratches on rocks and
[00:10:03] things which can also be from debris flows Al we know that debris flows fast
[00:10:08] moving debris and like landslides can make scratches right on rocks that mimic what Ice Age scratches look like but
[00:10:15] there’s so much more to the to the most recent Ice Age there’s all this lust that about 10% of the world is covered
[00:10:20] in this really fine silty material kind of you know small of than sand but and it stands up vertically so if you ever
[00:10:26] drive across the interstates Interstate 80 and across the United States across the Missouri River Valley you’ll see
[00:10:32] standing Bluffs they’re standing vertical that that lust that wind blown material from the Ice Age stands as a
[00:10:38] vertical angle of repose which most things of course sand drops 30 degrees or so but it’s really unusual but that
[00:10:44] covers 10% of the world and you don’t see that in the Rock record anywhere else as you go down into the Rocks where
[00:10:50] they claim there’s other ice ages so it appears it’s just one Ice Age it was all caused by the know the conditions at the
[00:10:56] flood but the key of the whole thing is is God had a plan and there the reason for the ice HED we’ll come to a little
[00:11:02] bit later what’s the explanation for that silty material from a from a a
[00:11:08] geological perspective and the the flood well this is my understanding and I
[00:11:13] could be wrong but I think that material is kind of a windblown material when when the rocks are kind of scraping and
[00:11:19] grinding on some of the exposed Bedrock especially especially up in Canada where you have trust at the surface uh you
[00:11:25] were kind of grinding this material making this finer material and then the sand gets kind of blown by the wind and sorted by the wind but I believe there’s
[00:11:31] some sorting by the water before the wind even it kind of blew that stuff around but a lot of it seems to be
[00:11:37] almost like the a wind that kind of material that built up after the you know as a consequence of the ice age or
[00:11:43] right in the front of the ice that sort of thing I’m not 100% certain I’ll admit what I don’t know and I don’t I don’t
[00:11:49] know for it is a very common deposit that seems to be tied to the Ice Age so
[00:11:54] um one of the questions I have about this is uh my understanding I was I was doing a little bit of reading on this
[00:11:59] and they said that there was some amount of um I believe it was
[00:12:05] three sounds almost too like too many but something like 300
[00:12:10] million um uh the the ice age uh like bison or um
[00:12:22] the giant elephants that were up in the north and that they tusks and things
[00:12:29] were like literally falling as the ice is melting into the ocean in Siberia and
[00:12:35] one of my questions is is were there dinosaurs if you have that many of these
[00:12:41] these what we consider Ice Age creatures because you know they group in uh things like saber-tooth tigers and others um
[00:12:48] why are they separating the saber-tooth tigers from say dinosaurs um are these creatures found
[00:12:54] together are they only found in the snow the areas where the snow was why is it
[00:13:01] that there there seems to be in their minds this idea that there’s a separation from evolution in in that
[00:13:07] regard well does that make sense what I’m asking yeah I think I think so well you don’t find any dinosaurs in the Ice
[00:13:13] Age sediments and it that may be because where you find the Ice Age fossils has to be a much cooler climate closer to
[00:13:20] the ice I mean you do find Mast or Mone in Texas which the ice was you know several States north of that but this
[00:13:27] the area near the ice you know I think it was conducive for mammoths and Masons these big animals but dinosaurs I
[00:13:34] believe they were cold blooded there there’s some pretty good evidence of that that I’ve talked about in some of my books that I’ve written and and it’s
[00:13:41] if they’re cold blood they have to stay near the equator especially if it’s a cooler climate all over the world and the world was you know cooled by the by
[00:13:48] the blocking out solar radiation that’s going to make them if a cold blood animal doesn’t stay warm of course
[00:13:54] they’re not active and so they’re gonna have to stay further south so I don’t believe they at least
[00:13:59] there hasn’t been any reports uh doesn’t mean they haven’t found something there hasn’t been any reports anything
[00:14:04] published showing where dinosaurs are mixed in the ice AG sediment so the dinosaur fossils we find are all seem to be from the flood they all disappear at
[00:14:11] a certain level on the flood you know that’s called the kpg or the Cretaceous paleogene boundary used to be the KT
[00:14:17] boundary that’s where most of the aners disappear little circular reasoning there because they Mark the boundary
[00:14:22] where the where they disappear and so that’s that’s you know it’s one and the same but nonetheless that boundary is
[00:14:28] where is where dinosaur disappear and above that of course is the is the place to scene there’s a lot of rocks
[00:14:33] sometimes in between Santa zoic rocks which I believe are part of the receding phase there’s a lot of mammals in in the
[00:14:39] receding phase like the Badlands of South Dakota and other places that are on top of the dinosaurs but that’s those
[00:14:45] animals that were living at even higher elevation they got washed off and buried on top of the dinosaurs during the flood we talked about last time but I don’t
[00:14:52] see if there I don’t see there’s any or found any mixing of ice AG animals the Icee animals caught in Mud and sediments
[00:15:00] from the ice probably melting when ice melted it probably melted really quickly uh so maybe just in a matter of 50 years
[00:15:06] all the ice melted away except for where we have Greenland and Antarctica still today kind of as remnants of the Ice Age
[00:15:13] but it’s it’s it’s it’s there’s no good answer but they haven’t found any interaction between them well that’s a
[00:15:19] that’s a good answer that makes a lot of sense that the the warm-blooded animals um obviously are going to be in a
[00:15:25] different climate potentially than the than the Cold Blood animals so when they got off the ark and you have like
[00:15:31] mammoths getting off the ark and you have dinosaurs go getting off the ark they’re essentially going to um
[00:15:37] migrating to different locals essentially and then over yeah and then
[00:15:43] over a series of you know uh few hundred years or whatever the case the Ice Age
[00:15:49] so so we hear stories about fullon mammoths being buried in ice or snow
[00:15:55] they still have their flesh I’ve heard that some of them still have food in their their mouths and food in their stomachs that’s how quickly it happened
[00:16:01] can you explain like what happened there like so things we don’t know for sure I’m
[00:16:09] where I’m going with yeah I know where you’re going with it yep well we do find Frozen in in Alaska and Siberia they
[00:16:14] find Frozen you know animals baby mammoths and saber-tooth cats and adult
[00:16:20] ones and rumor has it that one time some of the European gists actually ate some of the flesh that wasn’t roted of some
[00:16:29] of these I think it was a woly bison or something like that it wasn’t a mammoth and they said you know Taste of really
[00:16:34] freezer burn but they could eat it because it hadn’t rotten most times animals die and they they’ll rot before they kind of freeze up but in this case
[00:16:41] it seem to really fast but Mike G I think has come up with the best you know Mike or a creation creationist for many
[00:16:48] years and he’s come up with the best explanation for that I think that has to do with the water that ocean water once
[00:16:54] that ocean water cooled down so the ocean water might have been 70 80 deg degrees for a while as it was cooling
[00:17:00] some of the ocean currents are going to be affected once you start changing temperatures of water it changes the density of the water so you can get
[00:17:06] rapid down willing and up Welling suddenly takes place once you cool the water at the surface it’s going to get
[00:17:12] heavier and it’s going to start sinking into the water that’s that’s you know colder water goes deeper because it’s
[00:17:17] more dense just a little bit more dense you know more saine as well and so that’s going to start causing these
[00:17:22] currents to change there might have been a dramatic shift my thinks along the Siberian area particularly along the Arctic Ocean
[00:17:29] in these ocean currents as the water reached a certain threshold and suddenly just like Lakes turn over suddenly in
[00:17:35] the spring and the fall all flipped and the water flipped and suddenly it got really really cold up until that point
[00:17:41] if you were near the coast and the water was warm you had a mild climate no matter how you know the northern Siberia on the coast would have been really mild
[00:17:48] and so a lot of mammoths and Masons were up there eating and doing their thing for maybe several hundred years and all
[00:17:54] of a sudden that water flipped and all of a sudden it got really cold and in stly they froze up I mean literally some
[00:18:01] of them froze almost instantly it might have been that quick that’s the best explanation I’ve seen for it it seems to
[00:18:07] make sense but I don’t know if that’s what happened but it seems to be the the best explanation I I blame Mike hord for
[00:18:13] that give him the credit that sounds good so yeah he is so
[00:18:20] so you know our view of the Ice Age to what are the practical ramifications you
[00:18:26] know we we there’s this whole movement with global warming and people are making laws about climate change and
[00:18:32] we’ve got uh you know it’s all over the world uh does our view of the ice age
[00:18:37] change our attitude towards um towards things like climate change and these
[00:18:43] sorts of things or is that is that not relevant to how we view those issues I think it is a little bit because that
[00:18:49] was the biggest climate change we’ve had was when the ice age ended and the volcano stopped erupting and stopped
[00:18:55] cooling the Earth that was the dramatic change that’s what caused sea level to rise over 300 feet and so during the Ice
[00:19:01] Age and if we get a chance I’ll get to that the reason for the ice age of course was the lower sea level almost like a sponge soaking up water all that
[00:19:08] snow built up built up built up all by God’s plan and timing and so he could open up land bridges all over the world
[00:19:14] so you could walk from the ark to anywhere in the world pretty much except for you know Australia there’s still a little little gap of water but for the
[00:19:21] most part you can walk anywhere you could walk from Asia across Siberia right into North America you that
[00:19:26] Bearing Sea was dry land and it was warm because near the ocean you know the ocean kept it warm at this
[00:19:33] for few hundred years as well so you could walk along the coast and stay in a kind of a moderate temperature even
[00:19:39] though you’re very very very far north the ice was further up and so like those mass mass they got trapped there was Ice
[00:19:45] probably below them but not along the coast until that currents changed I
[00:19:50] don’t know if I answered the question not maybe I went the wrong path did I answer the question all goodness no that’s great that’s great okay well I
[00:19:57] I’m as to like you know with with everybody’s so afraid of of climate
[00:20:02] change right now okay that’s what I was gonna say about the climate change yeah well well I you know I just talked about this in a college class I teach at a
[00:20:08] Christian School here in town at called the Kings University in South Lake Texas once a year I teach their class and we
[00:20:14] just talked about the climate change and if you go back even 2,000 years to the time of Christ they can see major
[00:20:20] fluctuations up and down about every 500 years is going up and down and so we see these periods in you know from about 13
[00:20:28] 50 ad to about 1850 ad we had What’s called the little Ice Age so for 500
[00:20:33] years the world’s temperatures were Cooling and the ice was expanding and people in Europe were all worried that
[00:20:39] the ice was going to come down the mountains and take their Village away well now it’s completely reversed so
[00:20:44] we’re going through a global warming cycle which we saw before the medieval warming period did the same thing for
[00:20:50] about 500 years so these kind of these fluctuations as the Earth climate is trying to equilibrate after the ice AG
[00:20:55] has been kind of doing this and riding a a little bit of a roller coaster and to blame it all on humans I think is wrong
[00:21:01] I think you maybe we’re contributing some of it but we’re not making that big of a difference because this was going
[00:21:06] on even felt the Industrial Revolution up and down up and down and so you know they always say oh it’s the coldest or
[00:21:11] it’s the warmest you know how long will we’ve been keeping records and they can go back and look at some of these
[00:21:17] sediments out in the saraso sea they call it out in the middle of the ocean and they can see these fluctuations I
[00:21:22] recorded but nobody talks about that because it doesn’t fit the narrative if it doesn’t fit the narrative you know the government funds scientific research
[00:21:29] in our country and in the world for the most part and so the government sets The Narrative and if you want to get funding
[00:21:35] you have to fit in the narrative you have to follow the consensus and so if they say we’re going to push global warming for whatever reason you better
[00:21:41] start finding that in your papers and your research if you cover things contrary to that you can lose your job
[00:21:47] there was a lady that discovered that there’s more um polar bears in the world now than
[00:21:54] there was was you know prob going extinct and apparent what I she you know she got let go you know she got in big
[00:22:00] trouble for for publishing that paper even though it was true and so there’s actually backlash to people you know you
[00:22:07] almost have to be a full tenured professor about to retire before you can start telling the truth and unfortunately and even even then you you
[00:22:14] gotta be careful yeah I know well go ahead I was talking to Dr Sanford about
[00:22:19] that I I was asking because he was at Cornell University for so long and I was just asking him you know what’s what’s
[00:22:24] it like when you and he was even concerned he said when he was writing his book he was concerned about how
[00:22:29] people were going to respond to it on genetic entropy and then there was that
[00:22:34] that movie that came out quite a while ago called um I believe it was expelled by with Ben Stein was hosting it and
[00:22:41] that had a lot of that that backlash that people were experiencing um and uh
[00:22:46] I’ve had several scientists on the show who who were either let go or were
[00:22:52] battling being let go because you know they didn’t fit the Paradigm you know when I you’re not old enough but when I
[00:22:58] was a kid we were going through Elementary School it was all about we’re going to go into another Ice Age because in the 70s and stuff everything was
[00:23:04] getting colder and colder and colder the GL about temperatures are ding the drop since about 1945 to about
[00:23:09] 1980 temperatures were Cooling and all of a sudden within one year it flipped it flipped oh we’re going to global warming we’re all gonna die from that
[00:23:16] and yes it’s just ridiculous I mean it’s just I’ve heard it all and so when you get older you look back and you realize
[00:23:22] maybe that’s that wisdom or maybe you’re just getting old and grumpy but you’ve seen enough of it silly this is
[00:23:28] absolutely Sil I think we ran around trying to fix the ozone hole that was always there and we didn’t fix anything
[00:23:34] but we paid ourselves in the back and spent billions of dollars got rid of all of our freeon gases all of our deodorant sprays all this kind of stuff to save
[00:23:41] the ozone hle I don’t think we did anything I New York are trying to take away
[00:23:47] people’s gas stoves now uh to try to save the environment
[00:23:53] it’s it’s insane and we don’t we’re not in California I was in Home Depot we’re not allowed to
[00:23:58] I think they got rid of all gas Lawn Equipment they they don’t have gas blowers or lawnmowers now it’s all
[00:24:05] electric which was just and you got to keep in mind electricity three4 of
[00:24:11] electrical power comes from fossil fuels you’re still burning coal you’re
[00:24:17] still burning natural gas or oil to make about three4 of our energy the energy we
[00:24:22] use most of it comes from fossil fuels and so you can plug in your electric car all you want but the coal plant down the
[00:24:28] street that’s what’s powered it you know you can I mean sure there’s some from solar and there’s and I’m all about diversifying I’m all about we can’t rely
[00:24:34] on one thing sure I believe there’s so much cheap energy out there oil and gas
[00:24:40] and coal that we could be using and if you burn it cleaner than they did maybe a hundred years ago you just put black
[00:24:45] soda everywhere you know it is a lot better I’m I’m worried about pollution more than I am about CO2 I just did a an
[00:24:52] article recently I saw a report that on our icr website about the release of CO2
[00:24:57] there’s all this CO2 being released by sedimentary Rock’s weathering and just the shales and they found out that they
[00:25:04] there’s more CO2 being released not all volcanoes in the world from the Shale
[00:25:09] rocks but the Rocks they did test were the carbonate rocks that are full of CO2 they actually are made that’s their main
[00:25:15] components their calcium carbonate they have CO3 in them so they had to use CO2
[00:25:20] to make those rocks during the flood here and now they’re exposed all over these mountains all over the world like the dolomites in Italy and All Over the
[00:25:26] Rockies this these big Lim Stone sheets those are oozing CO2 as they weather
[00:25:31] away but nobody’s Quantified that if they ever did theyd probably find out that you need a steady source for that
[00:25:38] steady increase and to me a steady Source comes from the rocks and things that are kind of breathing the CO2 back
[00:25:43] as they weather into the atmosphere if you follow the human you know curves of temperatures you do this it doesn’t
[00:25:49] match the curve of a nice straight line just because they’re both going up doesn’t mean they’re both from the same cause and effect but again I’m I don’t
[00:25:57] want to offend the environmentalist anymore I’m an environmentalist but I I worry more about water pollution air
[00:26:02] pollution you know chemicals were putting in the ground we’re spraying things on her plants and on her you know
[00:26:09] crops I used to hold beans as a kid and picking up rocks and picking up fossils that’s how I got into gey they don’t
[00:26:16] hold beans anymore they spray them and so there’s all these chemicals going into our waterways that you know some of
[00:26:21] those are hard to get out of the water and to me that worries me a lot more than CO2 CO2 plants love it it’s only
[00:26:29] 0.04% of our atmosphere even at it’s worst its worst day and there’s nothing wrong with that there’s more vegetation
[00:26:35] now in the world than ever According to some studies yeah but that and that’s a reflection of the the truth of the Bible
[00:26:41] is that if you get your history right and you get your science right well then you’re going to come to good good conclusions but if your Paradigm is
[00:26:48] completely false well you’re G to make all kinds of false false conclusions um
[00:26:54] so you have a bunch of slides on the Ice Age um are able to pull those up and I’ll try to share those really quick and
[00:27:00] go through a few things on the ice age I think they might some of your viewers and listeners might be interested in
[00:27:06] some of this let’s see how I can get the slideshow going my guest today if you’re uh listening just just tuning in is Dr
[00:27:12] Tim Clary and um he’s with icr.org now he’s a geologist and um he got has
[00:27:19] written several books and um is an expert on uh the
[00:27:25] geology of the world the flood and things like the ice age well yeah only
[00:27:30] because I I put a lot of work into it I mean I’ve probably seen more rocks around the world than anybody but it’s
[00:27:36] it’s just a pleasure I mean to show people the truth work here’s a little bit about the Ice Age here’s the Ice Age here’s what where it covered you know
[00:27:44] people wonder if there really was an ice age but I believe there was one ice age as we talked about and cover kind of covered this area you can see a lot of
[00:27:49] North America and there’s and there’s still a Remnant there in Greenland and Antarctica in the South there’s not much
[00:27:54] in the South because there’s not much land down there except Antartica Amica a little bit of these you know the continent is all thin down to almost
[00:28:01] nothing but it kind of curs the area and you can see the land forms from that here in my home state of Michigan this is called the Ellsworth drumlins over
[00:28:08] there in the Northwest part of the lower Peninsula you can see what looks like lines going across the topography there
[00:28:13] that’s actually these Hills these drumlins that form they believe under the ice and so that’s one of the landforms that we see to indicate there
[00:28:21] were glaciers that covered this area plus there was 10 and some feet of debris for the most part ground up rocks
[00:28:26] at the surface and so it’s hard to find and you get rocks like this they’re out of place and so I’m standing there next
[00:28:31] to this one big rock there in northern Michigan that’s a piece of granite it’s and the Rocks below there are shaes and
[00:28:37] sandstones and and limestones so that came from Canada so a lot of these rocks are transported great distances and when
[00:28:44] the ice melted they just dropped out and there you have these what’s called erratics they’re out of place rocks you
[00:28:50] know so this is this is really interesting because um I watched a special on this with Nova which you know
[00:28:57] it’s not a Christian organization or anything and they were they were studying the Missoula flood and uh what
[00:29:03] caused the scab lands and they were saying it was glacial Lake Missoula um
[00:29:08] so is that is this relevant to that because they mention erratics in that also well well it’s the same thing but
[00:29:15] in this case those might have been moved by water as the I as you know you filled up a big lake during the Ice Age from
[00:29:20] melting water and then the lake burst and so the lake Missoula burst and catastrophically you know poor all out
[00:29:28] the same sort of thing happened in Michigan uh the Great Lakes due to the ice melting back at the end of the ice
[00:29:35] AG they filled up and there different levels you can see different lake levels in Michigan there’s ridges that go around the the peninsulas and things
[00:29:41] which I don’t have to show here but the water dropped one time they found a new
[00:29:47] outlet they think maybe out the St Lawrence Seaway and it carved a big Gorge between the Upper Peninsula laowa
[00:29:52] Peninsula they had to put a big bridge because of a 200 foot deep Canyon down there they couldn’t just build a Causeway they had to build a suspension
[00:29:58] bridge like you see in San Francisco that spans that big deep gorge because it was carved out as the water
[00:30:05] catastrophically you know flowed from oh from one Lake to the next real quickly so that that kind of thing happens but
[00:30:11] we also see in the Bedrock like here’s Minnesota and Michigan you see scratches and grooves now what shows the bottom of
[00:30:17] the ice as it was moving I was scratching away with the Rocks built in the ice the Glaciers are really full of
[00:30:22] dirty debris they’re kind of moving ICE that built up snow but as thicken up of
[00:30:28] course they have the Flow Away to try to flatten out and so they’re constantly going from highest you know higher
[00:30:33] thicker ice to thinner ice so in most of places like Michigan and Wisconsin New York they were moving to the South uh
[00:30:41] they then they just melt back they don’t move back they melt back these are some of the hills they ski in Michigan called
[00:30:46] marines these big long ridges where glaciers dropped a lot of debris for maybe 20 30 50 years at a time love big
[00:30:53] piles of debris all over the place and and again so if you know we talked about this well how you get ice age you got to
[00:30:58] have snow that doesn’t melt for consecutive summer is heavy snowfall we get all that of course in the aerosols
[00:31:04] we talked about this the subduction zone volcanoes blocking out sunlight you know
[00:31:09] you have enough of them erupting continually all over the world you get a black it out for a while so mon Helens
[00:31:14] was actually pretty small but these are some eruptions from the 19th century Tambora in 186 is known as the year with
[00:31:22] h of Summer across Europe it never really warmed up because you know Indonesian volcano erupted in 1815 so
[00:31:29] the next summer it was really really cold globally you all the way to Europe craa did that in 1883 when it kind of
[00:31:35] blew up in Indonesia dro the global temperatures and the most recent one that really affected it not M St hens it
[00:31:41] was too small that was Mount penbo in the Philippines in 1991 and that dropped the temperatures I remember that one I
[00:31:47] was I got uh laid off in the oil company and went back to grad school in Kazo and
[00:31:52] in 1992 that winter we were seeing temperatures of 35 below and usually
[00:31:58] that part of Michigan never gets 35 below that’s that’s North Dakota weather you know the Lakes usually War the
[00:32:03] Europe up a little bit so it was really really cold that year I remember starting my car I didn’t have a garage
[00:32:08] every couple hours for a couple of nights try so it wouldn’t freeze up because it it’ll freeze up so whole
[00:32:14] thing so question about um Dr CLA what you showed us you know
[00:32:19] with those erratics and then with the scratches um and so forth is this agreed
[00:32:24] by both um you know creationist creation scientists and secularists or is there a
[00:32:30] discrepancy in no no they agree they agree this is all evidence for an nice age you know they just think there’s
[00:32:36] multiple ice ages they think even the most recent one we think is just one they try to make break it into a bunch
[00:32:42] of little smaller ones that lasted over two million years and we say no this all happened over maybe five to 700 years
[00:32:48] and so these are some of the big big eruptions that took place during the receding phase of the flood because a
[00:32:54] lot of these came out of yellow still as we see the same Ash layers all over the country these are massive eruptions then
[00:33:00] you see the little tiny Mount St Helens eruption there in red and so during the flood and the immediate post flood you
[00:33:05] have much bigger eruptions than you have today and so volcanism kind of did this this is a graph I think from Mike or
[00:33:11] where it kind of slowly at the end of the flood there kind of went down you know with time kind of up and down kind of Peaks kind of like our temperatures
[00:33:18] are doing as they warmed up after the Ice Age same sort of thing takes place it kind of a you know if the I if the
[00:33:25] volcanoes are stopping the global temperatures are going to do the opposite they’re going to do the reciprocal they’re going to start warming up and so these spikes know
[00:33:34] um so I had another question this is and it’s funny because um I I was speaking
[00:33:40] at an event and a Gentleman came up to me afterwards and he said I’m curious about your thoughts about the formation
[00:33:45] of Hawaii and uh I actually just saw a post that you did um right before our
[00:33:50] show um I saw a post about Hawaii he was arguing that um he was having trouble
[00:33:57] with understanding the the creationist Viewpoint of how Hawaii formed as opposed to I guess if you if for a
[00:34:05] secularist they say that these Islands formed over millions and millions of years um what is uh the view of a
[00:34:13] creationist in regards to how Hawaii formed well I I think it you know the idea of this hot spot whether it’s valid
[00:34:19] or not there was a lot of lava the if the plates are moving fast as the creationist we believe the plates are moving fast several yards per second
[00:34:27] which is what John bomb Garner model and it seems to be you there’s evidence to back it up with the cold slabs deep in
[00:34:33] the earth that sort of thing I think we talked about last time uh so there’s evidence for that not just a not just a
[00:34:38] computer model but you’re moving along pretty fast and and the plate the Pacific Plate was moving along pretty quick whether for some reason there was
[00:34:44] lava spewing up from The Mantel down below and it kind of left a trail of breadcrumbs behind so you see that that
[00:34:49] went on for you know almost the entire plate and it actually changed Direction once uh and it seemed like the plate
[00:34:55] might have shifted directions a little bit but nonetheless towards the end things start to slow down when the plates were
[00:35:01] running out of gravitational potential so to speak when they all the plates were finally
[00:35:06] made new and warm you had no more cold crust to subduct away and so was that
[00:35:12] density difference all this new hot crust everything just kind of came to a screeching halt and those last Islands
[00:35:18] we see starting with Kawaii is where you see the plates you know around there what’s called the pene that’s when
[00:35:23] things started slowing down so suddenly you see more is they weren’t just throwing bread crumbs out suddenly a
[00:35:29] pile of breadcrumbs built up made by Island they were still moving a little bit then the next Island the next Island but more massive amounts because you had
[00:35:35] all this lava spewing out for whatever reason it eventually still is spewing out today but probably not as fast but
[00:35:42] you Finly see that buildup right at the end as the plates were starting to kind of stop I think that’s why Hawaii’s here
[00:35:47] now if Hawaii was really five million years old Kawai is supposed to be about 5 million years old if it’s really that
[00:35:53] old and there has many volcanic activity four five million years it’d be it wouldn’t be wouldn’t even exist it’d be
[00:35:58] eroded away the erosion rates in Hawaii I published some stuff on that are so rapid that there’d be nothing left for
[00:36:05] all the islands except for the big island which is still active maybe had Island would if three million years it’d
[00:36:10] be gone those islands are so small they’d be right down the sea level and so they should just be you know yeah
[00:36:16] because of the because you’re going to have a lot more erosion in the middle of the ocean than you are anywhere else
[00:36:21] right and if you stop erupting to keep those islands you know growing then they’re just going toot away in less a
[00:36:26] million years all the all those islands will be gone and so there should only be one Island that’s still there the rest of them should be flat top sea mounts as
[00:36:33] they’re called you know right below sea and you see that further out and would you argue that so would you argue that
[00:36:40] the volcanic activity that you’re describing in in the flood is uh also what caused the Hawaiian Islands yes I
[00:36:47] mean there was increased everything was increased you know a lot of things can happen under different conditions and
[00:36:53] you got to think during the floods there was not only volcanoes that were producing neols real rapidly towards the
[00:36:58] end of the flood and afterwards but there was a lot of volcanic activity making the whole new ocean floor so there’s a lot of disruption of The
[00:37:03] Mantel going on and that’s that caused a lot of things to happen suddenly over
[00:37:09] the next few hundred years even after the flood probably was lot bigger earthquakes than we have now within a
[00:37:14] few hundred years after the flood so it’s would have been kind of a a little bit more scary and dangerous time maybe
[00:37:19] to be alive right after the flood because things were so different and the climate was such a violent thing
[00:37:27] but basically we talked about this before you need enormous energy in the oceans you made a whole new seaf Flor
[00:37:33] you know we talked about this as part of the rapid plate tectonics so all that seaf Flor 70% of the Earth would have
[00:37:39] been made new out of lava 60 mile thick plate since all that energy Al was
[00:37:44] transferred to the oceans and made the oceans very hot for a long time but once that stopped of course the heat pump
[00:37:50] stopped and the ocean started to cool and so this is again I think Mike Ordon Larry bman worked on these temperature
[00:37:56] graphs estimating if the temperature of the ocean was 20 degrees Celsius hotter how long going it take to cool down and
[00:38:02] and we all kind of estimate maybe 500 years after the flood with the glacial maximum and then it kind of melted away
[00:38:07] within 700 years it would had probably all gone and so you can see the global temperatures for the first 2,000 years
[00:38:13] that’s quite a while after the flood you would had an effect on the climate because the oceans would have been warmer so Egypt and all these place in
[00:38:20] the Middle East for the first 2,000 years after the flood and the flood was about 2400 BC
[00:38:27] and so until about 400 BC you would have probably had a major effect of the world’s climate even the time of Jesus
[00:38:34] being on the earth you know Israel might not have been quite as dry as it is
[00:38:39] today you the bulk of the earth so the bulk of the Earth would
[00:38:45] have been a lot more tropical generally is what you’re saying well wetter would have been wetter okay maybe not tropical
[00:38:53] yeah you wouldn’t had these big deserts yet at 30 degrees north and south the latitude that we see you would had more
[00:38:59] rings to come down but you would had fluctuations and that’s why you read in the Bible about Joseph predicting seven
[00:39:05] years of you know famine and seven years of good that might have been some of those cycles that were doing some of this as the Earth was trying to
[00:39:11] equilibrate you might had seven years without much rain uh you starting to get the effects maybe at that point of this
[00:39:18] just so you can see this curve going up and down and so you so how long how long did it take for you know after the flood
[00:39:25] you said because of the Ice Age you you you had your maximum at at 500 and then
[00:39:31] you begin to see that melting and you said that it was about a 300 foot difference in Ocean levels so we’ll get
[00:39:37] to that a little bit here okay okay let me get to that and then we we’ll see if we can answer your question so here’s the 23 49 BC Abram or Abraham was maybe
[00:39:46] around 2,000 BC joob might have been about that same time people don’t know exactly job might have overlapped with
[00:39:53] Abraham in terms of the time you know when he was on the Earth but none of these you know it wasn’t that long after
[00:39:58] the flood maybe 150 years after the flood so they might have been in the middle of the Ice Age but the Middle
[00:40:04] East of course didn’t get covered with snow but it was a lot wetter and a lot more snow coming down and so if you read
[00:40:09] the book of Job and Henry Morris our founder pointed out there’s more references to snow and ice in the Book
[00:40:14] of Job than any other book of the Bible and so he you know it wasn’t like you know talks about the womb of the snow
[00:40:20] who brought the womb of the snow and different references that we have at our Discovery Center about that so there is
[00:40:26] you know much cooler climate talks about rain and cold and snow and in today you know in Iraq and in those areas you
[00:40:32] don’t really talk a lot about snow unless you’re up in the mountains but here’s kind of what you were getting to here’s kind of a global temperatures
[00:40:38] dropping on the graph the gray graph and then I kind of put in the the sea level
[00:40:43] rise and this is the years in the bottom down there are the evolutionary years so I don’t necessarily believe those but as
[00:40:49] things were cooling down up to the flood of course and the ice was melting you would have had a sudden increase in sea
[00:40:55] level actually you see that they just TR to say it was 20,000 years ago we just say it was more like you know 3,500
[00:41:01] years ago when this really happened so the difference in our timing but the effects are the same so sea level what
[00:41:07] have Rose if I move you out of the way I gota see where I’m at here if you look on the side over there those are in
[00:41:13] meters and so sea level Rose about 120 meters and so that’s well over 300 feet
[00:41:20] the sea level would have Rose so people should have been out protesting that you know sea level’s Rising
[00:41:26] feet we’re all going to die and they had to move and they found civilizations under the North Sea you know offshore
[00:41:33] England they found Ice Age civilizations you were people had buildings and and H and they were living there and they just
[00:41:39] had to move they had to move because that was all dry land during the Ice Age between Europe and England you could
[00:41:44] walk right over but there’s water there now how rapid how how r i see you have
[00:41:49] it here but how r i mean would it would that be within a person’s lifespan that they’re like hey the ocean is coming up
[00:41:55] here I think you I think you if you were near that Peak when it’s going up just like when the ice is melting you know I
[00:42:02] think the ice might have melted you know some people have estimated within a 100 years or maybe even less so you have you
[00:42:07] know here you have a mile of ice across a lot of the country it looks like there was that much ice because you have the land forms that are considerable and sea
[00:42:15] level rebounding you know areas of Michigan and Canada Rose hundreds of feet from the weight of the ice once the
[00:42:20] ice melted away it’s still rising in some places just a little bit so there is evidence of really thick ice that ice
[00:42:26] would have melted fast that may so you’re you’re that’s really interesting you’re saying that the the weight of the
[00:42:32] ice was so heavy that it was actually pushing the crust of the earth down that’s correct so what is under so what
[00:42:39] is under the crust of the earth that is creating the buoyancy that that uh allows for that up and down well if you
[00:42:44] go down below the crust and things you can even compress the crust a little bit rocks do compress a bit and so I think a lot of way just been compressing their
[00:42:51] rocks there might have been a little bit of movement down below the crust into the mantle and and some of some of that
[00:42:57] plate actually there’s that a cenosphere Zone down about 60 miles down and so it might have but I think a lot of it might
[00:43:03] have some of it well some places it’s over a th000 feet of rebound so you might have actually had some of the
[00:43:09] crust and plate might have actually depressed into this mushy Zone called the as sentosphere which is what the plates moved on and so that’s would give
[00:43:17] a little bit easier than than the crust above it it’s like a thick watery like spongy material or what is that kind of
[00:43:22] like that it’s still a solid technically but all the seismic waves slow down so there’s a little bit of melt in there so
[00:43:28] it’s kind of a yeah it’s almost like a sponge but you can push it down a little
[00:43:33] bit so it a little bit easier than than the solid rack above it gotcha so I mean
[00:43:39] the big fear that I hear from people today regarding global warming and everything is that the Glaciers are going to melt and the oceans are going
[00:43:45] to rise I mean that was a legitimate concern back then it already did for the most part to me already did you know you
[00:43:52] melt Antarctica you melt green L they rise like 100 feet or something like that is all you’re going to get if that
[00:43:58] I don’t think it’s even that much I I read I read somewhere online they
[00:44:03] said go ahead they said if all the glaciers melted today if all the glaciers melted and I don’t know how
[00:44:09] accurate this is I mean it could be completely wrong that the ocean levels would only rise two feet yeah if all the
[00:44:15] glaciers melt I’ve heard different numbers but it’s not as much as it already has most of it already has you can see how it’s flattened out uh even
[00:44:22] if you don’t you know I don’t believe the years at the bottom of that of course but the Curve is probably pretty accurate and so sea level did rise that
[00:44:29] much when you melted that much ice but we have a reason for this you know as as a creationist we can explain why there
[00:44:35] was an Ice Age we can explain why the Ice Age ended the evolutionary guys still can’t explain why the Ice Age
[00:44:42] started why it ended they have to throw this minkovich theory of stuff in there which doesn’t seem to work very well about the wobble of the earth and how
[00:44:49] far the Press pression of the earth and things like that and all these things are supposed to coincide and my colleague at icr Dr J ke studied all
[00:44:56] that you found out that they changed the some of the numbers and it would never went back and changed their curve and so the things don’t line up now like they
[00:45:03] say and so they really don’t have a good story for the ice age but because they have the microphone they get to say whatever they
[00:45:08] want but our story makes a lot more sense well that that’s what I was
[00:45:15] goingon to say it’s incredible how all the pieces fit together so perfectly I mean uh historically when we look at the
[00:45:21] the Bible we look at the flood we look at all that that that’s been put together by scientists like yourself and others
[00:45:26] um I mean the puzzle pieces just fall together you have your justification for why it happened why it ended everything
[00:45:33] it’s it’s amazing that more people don’t um recognize that yeah they they just
[00:45:39] they just like oh your creationist you’re not a scientist and they throw you out the door and don’t even listen to us they just like yeah yeah whatever
[00:45:44] but here in brown you know this shows on the ice with at its maximum how much would be land and I believe even on the
[00:45:51] coast it would be dry would would you know because it would have been warm enough this is an evolutionary diagram
[00:45:56] of course so they put ice right up to the edge but I believe the water was still so warm you didn’t have ice right
[00:46:01] to the edge and so it would have been mild R along the coast we actually see Barefoot human Footprints of near
[00:46:07] Vancouver Canada in ice AG mud so people are walking along doing the Ice Age barefoot in an area that should have
[00:46:13] been really really cold according to this map should have been in the snow and so but you can see you can walk on this anywhere and then the tower Babel
[00:46:20] timing came of course humans were disobeying they building this Tower and then God confounded their languages
[00:46:25] because they were going to miss the land bridges they were going to miss that window of opportunity which is only going to last for a few hundred years
[00:46:32] and so God had to go on there and confound the language and this is a secular map that I couldn’t have drawn any better except I changed the numbers
[00:46:39] I mean look at this is the dispersion of humans that’s awesome almost right from the Middle East right from Iraq yeah
[00:46:46] right below turkey down there everything comes out of that and just spreads all over the world and to me I couldn’t have drawn a better map if I was a
[00:46:52] creationist to me this explains is that is incredible everything they just have
[00:46:58] the year is wrong you know because they they they carbon 14 dates they use the carbon 14 dates and
[00:47:04] they they assumed the carbon 14 in the atmosphere was the same back then as it is today and it obviously wasn’t but to
[00:47:11] me there there’s there’s the story right there they know it they just want to believe it I mean I mean if they if they
[00:47:18] actually read their Bible they’d see that they’re drawing exactly what the Bible teaches and it might have taken a few hundred years to get across you know
[00:47:25] from the Middle East all the way across Asia but God knew that that land bridge would still be there so you could walk
[00:47:30] over North America if it wasn’t for that land bridge there wouldn’t be all these you know bears and deer and all these animals that walk all the way to North
[00:47:37] America you know to me that’s why you can’t Ed the flood until later either because you had to wait you couldn’t get
[00:47:43] the animals there to be all those animals After The Dinosaurs are buried then you have all these mammals buried
[00:47:48] on top how’ you get those animals there until the Ice Age you know they they can’t float across the
[00:47:53] ocean big animals aren’t going to float from months and months at Sea with no water and no food and so you had to wait
[00:47:59] for the ice age but that’s the beauty of is that God had it all figured out not
[00:48:04] only did he have this devastating Judgment of the flood but he had it all figured out that he would have a plan to
[00:48:09] repopulate the Earth and humans were trying to disobey and not following the plan so he made him follow the plan just
[00:48:15] like sometimes he corrects us like myself for my sinful ways God will reprimand me and say
[00:48:23] Direction that’s right we ask that’s why Hebrews chapter 12 says uh you know that
[00:48:29] God disciplines us as a loving father disciplines a child and uh no discipline seems Pleasant at the time but uh it
[00:48:37] produces a harvest of righteousness and peace right so but ultimately yeah that’s why I’m at icr I mean I’m doing
[00:48:42] finally I think I hit 52 I finally am doing I think what God had planned for me to do all along I needed these
[00:48:49] experiences of teaching at College I need the experience of the oil company to do the research I’m doing you like it
[00:48:54] says in Isaiah 55 for in the heavens are higher than I can’t see the the verses there but nonetheless you know God’s
[00:49:01] thoughts are much higher than our thoughts he knows what’s going on we just try to see this much of his wisdom
[00:49:07] as we go along you but God his love toward us he had a plan for us too he had a plan that he would come and die on
[00:49:13] the cross take on human form and redeem the Earth for their wickedness that started way back in the Garden of Eden
[00:49:19] and ultimately got so wicked of course he had to destroy the the Earth again and start over with with the animals on
[00:49:25] the AR but he you know he loves us that much that you know even while we were yet sinners he died for us he because he is
[00:49:32] that loving father he wants you know he calls us all to him we know much more it
[00:49:37] says then being now justified by his blood we shall be saved from wrath through him so they’ll be another judgment coming just like the flood was
[00:49:43] a judgment that we can be saved from that wrath because we’re one of his children you know we believe that God
[00:49:49] did we did then my colleague Jak kebert wrote this book it’s at icr.org the I Ag
[00:49:55] and cl climate change he’s got a lot of the milankovich analysis in there showing how it doesn’t work then I’ve
[00:50:00] got a chapter in my book carbon Stone which has a whole chapter on the Ice Age which explains it maybe a little less
[00:50:06] mathematically but explains the ideas of the Ice Age and a lot of the things we talked about tonight so that’s kind of
[00:50:13] that’s the end that’s fantastic yeah but well I can stop that share get back to
[00:50:18] bigger yeah well I I love it I mean that’s amazing stuff um and and um you
[00:50:24] know if um somebody wants to find out more information they can go to icr.org right
[00:50:30] that’s the the website.org that’ss yeah you can search on our
[00:50:35] website there’s a little CU you know the little question thing up there we have hundreds and hundreds of Articles a lot
[00:50:41] of them on the Ice Age and and different things as well thousand thousands of articles I I asked uh I was talking to
[00:50:47] Brian Thomas I think he does a lot of the writing he he said that there’s something like 10,000 articles you guys
[00:50:53] have on your your website that blue my mind I was like whoa I just I just deleted one last week because it was it
[00:50:59] from an article that we wrote an article about but then they they retracted the article you know the scientific people
[00:51:05] realized they were completely wrong and so they yanked the article and we kind of you know kind of said this seems
[00:51:11] really weird in our news article but we pull it down because it it’s not relevant anymore so occasionally we try
[00:51:17] to clean up our articles but it’s hard to do yeah yeah
[00:51:22] so I’ve used it uh so much and it’s been so helpful in answering questions you
[00:51:28] think that there’s going to be a question you have that nobody’s going to have the answer to you type it into you guys’s search engine and all of a sudden
[00:51:34] it pops up you’re like whoa Fant you’re really stumped yeah you can go to IC go to the our website and go to the contact
[00:51:40] and you can get contact and say you know send this to that Yahoo geologist on your staff or if you have a question
[00:51:45] about something else you can just and the guy that monitors that of course he tries to to answer it himself if he can
[00:51:51] but he’ll send it to us if you’re persistent kind of like God tells us to be persistent with our prayers if you’re persistent it’ll eventually get through
[00:51:58] there you go you know so they don’t we don’t like to give emails out to everybody or I get so many emails that I lose so many emails and people get mad
[00:52:04] at me and yeah emails go down down it’s like wow and so we love to answer you
[00:52:09] know questions we love to do that but we just there’s only five of us that are on our science staff and we can only do so
[00:52:16] many at a time but if you’re persistent we can we can usually get a hold of you but that’s fantastic well thanks a lot
[00:52:21] Dr Clary for being on the program this evening and uh you got the dinosur did we we didn’t get to the dinosaurs but
[00:52:27] hey we do another one sometime we can there you go exactly so that gives us something else to talk about talk about
[00:52:32] dinosaurs and how I don’t think they have any feathers I’m working out a book earli I’m working out a book right now that should come out by the end of the
[00:52:39] year 10 reasons why dinosaurs are not birds and one of the main reasons is I don’t believe the evidence shows that
[00:52:45] they had feathers what they what animals that have feathers are today that they’re Sayer dinosaurs are actually
[00:52:51] Birds little bonytail birds but the when you look at the back hill hips and the legs and how they walked and the things
[00:52:57] that they’re missing that dinosaurs have there’s way too many pieces missing when you look at the details it’s all about
[00:53:04] the details and there’s a lot of big differences between dinosaurs and birds even these extinct bony tail birds like
[00:53:11] micro Raptor and archaeopteris have these really thin bony Tails but see dinosaurs tails are thick because the
[00:53:17] muscles in the tails are attached to the femur the thigh bone so they walked they balanced on their hips whereas Birds
[00:53:23] balance on their knees and so they walk completely differently and these extinct birds we find in the fossil record with
[00:53:28] the feathers they all walk like birds and they don’t walk like dinosaurs at all but the evolutionists are changing
[00:53:34] the definition to make it work they need an ancestor to you know birds so they
[00:53:40] say dinosaurs and ancestor Birds because there are some similarities and there’s no doubt about it but there’s even
[00:53:46] bigger differences that this book points out so that’ll be coming out hopefully by the end of the year through ice yeah
[00:53:52] that sounds fantastic and I’d love to I’d love to do a show on that so when we get closer to publication I’d love to
[00:53:57] I’d love to have you on to talk about that because I I I have a lot of questions about that too with Arch and
[00:54:04] yeah my good friends lot good friends in the creation Community they’re you know they’re they’re they’re saying these are
[00:54:09] no to these are dinosaurs and they’re feather dinosaurs I’m like you know and in the book I went
[00:54:15] through I learned a lot of stuff about anatomy of Bones and hip structure and you really can see the truth is in the
[00:54:23] details just like studying yeah and the Rocks all over the world you know there’s all that data that I
[00:54:28] collected but it’s powerful because it shows what’s really there and what’s really there still shows the evidence of
[00:54:34] a flock but just like in the Ice Age God had a plan you know he his timing is
[00:54:39] perfect he had a plan to repopulate the and it’s it’s just amazing he has a plan
[00:54:45] for our life too that’s the best part about it that’s one of my favorite in Jeremiah 291 you know God has a plan for
[00:54:51] everything you know plans for the birds and he plans for but you know like he says in Luke even more so I will take
[00:54:56] care of you you know you’re my own children just like a father takes care of his children you Jesus is there he’s
[00:55:03] you know we got to answer that call he calls us to him and we just have to answer that call amen amen if you’re a
[00:55:09] scientist out there and you’re a creationist um you know plug into icr um
[00:55:15] whether you are or not if you’re a Layman scientist and you’re just a science buff we appreciate you plug my
[00:55:20] book if you guys want to get dinosaurs marvels of God’s design I know I know it’s backwards but but the this is the
[00:55:27] the book I wrote about 10 eight nine years ago now and I’ve updated a few things but the new book will be smaller
[00:55:33] and just address the issue dinosaurs and birds and are really there are really really really AR big differences but the
[00:55:40] evolutionary Community needs an ancestor the ironic thing I point out in the book because they don’t even know where
[00:55:45] dinosaurs came from they no ancestor dinosaurs that they agree upon so it’s kind of funny to worried about where the
[00:55:51] dinosaur turned into Birds they say but they don’t know where dinosaurs even came from to me the flood explains at
[00:55:57] all I’ll let you take it from here Jason all right well thank you so much Dr Clary we have a great night and uh yeah
[00:56:04] we look forward to having you on the show very soon all right God bless you amen when you need tires or service
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