The Mt. Sinai of Saudi Arabia with Rajeev Samaroo

[00:00:00] well thanks a lot for being here this evening uh my name is kevin conover you’re listening to educate for life radio we’re broadcasting down here in

[00:00:06] southern california on kpr z12 10am um that’s the local radio station and then

[00:00:12] of course we’re broadcast all over social media and we’ve had some fantastic shows recently had andrew

[00:00:17] pudua on the show last week and he is a a fantastic guy really loved uh talking

[00:00:23] to him about the importance of english and i i kept quoting jordan peterson last week

[00:00:29] because he was talking about how critical critical thinking is specifically developed through writing

[00:00:35] um and and i i just thought that whole show was incredible um really great stuff and then next week

[00:00:41] we are going to be uh interviewing an expert in microscopy and he is one of

[00:00:47] the uh gentlemen who found the largest iron i’m sorry largest triceratops horn ever found which had a non-fossilized

[00:00:55] bone uh if you can believe it that is going to be a really great and this week uh we have the privilege of having a

[00:01:01] gentleman rajiv on the program with us this evening rajeev samaru he’s the

[00:01:06] technical subject matter expert in the oil and gas industry he holds a b a

[00:01:12] bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering a masters of science degree in petroleum engineering and an mba

[00:01:18] he also serves in the church on church leadership in katy texas

[00:01:24] and he’s also involved with um a down syndrome organization yarastar

[00:01:29] foundation that’s yarastarfoundation.org um which um he’ll tell us a little bit more about that also

[00:01:35] and uh uh rajiv i just wanted to say thanks a lot for being on the program this evening oh thanks for having me really

[00:01:41] appreciate it yeah absolutely and now um we met at a homeschool convention

[00:01:46] um you are um you’re a homeschool parent is that right a brand new homeschool parent right when

[00:01:52] you when you met us we were just getting our feet just a little bit wet you know trying to understand what this

[00:01:58] whole homeschooling thing was about and yeah so we’ve started now it’s been about a week and a half and yeah still

[00:02:05] yeah you’re not you’re not you haven’t quit yet we haven’t given up yet okay that’s

[00:02:11] good i know it’s it can be a struggle at times um but the homeschool movement is

[00:02:16] growing it’s incredible um the growth um i believe i was just looking at the stats on it and ian i believe it’s just

[00:02:22] the past two years it’s grown by over a million we’re over three million homeschool kids in the us now um and for

[00:02:29] obvious reason i think but but uh you know you blew me away when i started talking to you at the homeschool

[00:02:35] convention and you started talking about how you lived in saudi arabia and um i have always been so interested

[00:02:42] from probably 20 or more years ago um you know apologetics uh for those of

[00:02:48] you listening or have been listening to my program i’m an apologetics teacher it’s that’s a defense of the christian faith and

[00:02:54] specifically what are the evidences that tell us that the bible is actually true and i’m always enthusiastic anytime i i

[00:03:00] find something new and about quite a while ago maybe uh 12

[00:03:06] years ago i stumbled on a dvd back when dvds were around um they’ve quickly uh

[00:03:12] diminished but i stumbled on a dvd called the search for the real mount sinai

[00:03:18] and when i i watched this movie i was just absolutely blown away um one of the main fellows in that movie is bob

[00:03:25] cornick who goes and actually i found this out also is following up

[00:03:31] from a guy named ron wyatt who um his his fall his name has fallen into

[00:03:37] disrepute among some because they say he’s not a very um

[00:03:42] uh credible source uh which is interesting but um he did talk about this stuff and bob

[00:03:50] ended up picking picking it up and did his own research and you know uh rajiv

[00:03:55] if you’ve ever been like me you hear something and you’re like wait a second this sounds too good to be true you know

[00:04:02] and you’re kind of like who do i know who’s actually been there that i can talk to and honestly you are

[00:04:08] the ver the first person i’ve ever talked to who actually can say i was there i saw it

[00:04:15] you know i went back i checked this all out and that’s what made me so excited to talk to you um but um so for those of

[00:04:22] you listening if you don’t know what the search for the real mount sinai is um they actually believe they found the

[00:04:28] real mount sinai the place where god met with moses and gave him the ten commandments um they’ve also found what

[00:04:35] are called the caves of moses they found um the split rock at horeb this is where all the water came out and

[00:04:42] gave water to what what looks like around two million israelites and um

[00:04:48] so so when i started talking to you rajiv i was like whoa this is incredible okay

[00:04:53] this is somebody who’s actually this is worth you know sharing with more people because it’s not just bob or ron saying this happened

[00:05:01] you you actually testify that hey i was there but before you tell us all about that and and um you know rajiv’s got

[00:05:08] some pictures that he’s going to share with us and it’s going to be pretty cool but before you we get into that can you

[00:05:13] tell us how you ended up in saudi arabia and and where you came from because that’s also a pretty cool story too um

[00:05:19] it was unusual to hear your story so well i mean working in the oil and gas industry as an expat i mean i work for a

[00:05:26] company that basically moves us around to wherever you’re required wherever your expertise is required so

[00:05:33] so i started off in trinidad and tobago which is my home country um spent some

[00:05:38] years there then now tell people about that most people don’t know about trinidad and tobago okay so trinidad and

[00:05:45] tobago two small islands one country the very last country in the caribbean

[00:05:50] archipelago towards the south so we’re right next to venezuela okay we see venezuela

[00:05:56] yeah wow that’s crazy yeah now are you have you had the same uh struggles in uh trinidad as they’ve had in venezuela of

[00:06:03] late no we have not no okay yeah it’s completely night and day okay okay

[00:06:10] so then after trinidad moved to brazil where we lived for four years and then after

[00:06:15] moving out of brazil we went to saudi arabia where we spent six years and it’s you know during a christmas

[00:06:22] vacation back in 2017 when you know all of our friends were going to europe and

[00:06:27] going back to the states and so on for for christmas holiday i decided well let’s go to the northwest

[00:06:33] of saudi and people looked at me like what yeah even even saudis looked at me like what

[00:06:40] so that’s a question actually that i have that’s really interesting along those same lines is i mean do people are people generally

[00:06:47] aware that this this is out there among you know the

[00:06:52] people in saudi um is this like a common place that people visit or is this just

[00:06:58] obscure so so so where these sites are there are things around it that people would visit so if you do a search you

[00:07:04] will find like al ula which is a kind of uh nabatean era you know ruin like from

[00:07:12] from petra and jordan you know very similar to that um and and over the last

[00:07:17] two or three years saudi has really done a great job to fix it up and make it like a major tourist type site you know

[00:07:24] um when we went in 2017 it was not like that it was just um just open desert and you can just go

[00:07:31] wherever you want no signs no nothing everything is just untouched which made

[00:07:36] it you know an adventure so to speak now when you say you can go wherever you want i mean

[00:07:42] i mean this is uh you know you can also get lost right i mean is it pretty is it easy to get lost out there or is

[00:07:49] it it is definitely easy to get lost i mean once you go out into the desert you don’t have any cell phone signal so if

[00:07:56] you have a gps then you’re able to to to map out where you’re going i mean i didn’t have a gps i just used my phone

[00:08:02] and downloaded the maps on google and just went out looking at the map and looking at that little dot move and saying all

[00:08:09] right we’re getting closer to the point you know but did you go now did you go the first time you went out there did you go by yourself

[00:08:15] no so it was me my wife and my two daughters and i said there’s no way i’m going to drive 20 miles out into the

[00:08:22] desert sand you know but then i had a friend who called up and said he was coming to

[00:08:27] visit that area as well because he knew we were there and i told him i said all right dude you

[00:08:32] know go ahead and get a car the same as my own and let’s go out there and we did together and one of the pictures you’ll

[00:08:39] see when i start showing you’ll see these two little cars but they’re not little cars they’re actually like uh

[00:08:44] like chevrolet suburbans locked out in the desert with just the expanse is just

[00:08:50] incredible yeah so when you’re going out there is there any danger of you know for example running out of uh fuel or running out of

[00:08:58] water is that something you really have to be cautious about when you’re going out there you do have to be cautious of course and

[00:09:03] even tires right because there are rocks that you will be going over with the vehicles but

[00:09:09] i mean once you have enough water i mean we we kept bottles of water in the car we always made sure that the vehicle was

[00:09:15] filled up you know every gas station we passed even if we only use quarter tank we filled it up just because we didn’t

[00:09:20] know where there was going to be another gas station yeah um yeah but i mean it was only 20 miles

[00:09:26] maybe it’s not too bad maximum so it’s not too bad i mean it’s oh interesting still still just a marathon distance

[00:09:32] back and how and how hot is it okay so it depends if you go now it’s going to be

[00:09:39] 50 degrees celsius so that’s 120 celsius 120 degrees fahrenheit

[00:09:44] if you go in december when we went there it was you know uh i would say 50s in in

[00:09:51] fahrenheit kind of thing so pleasantly cool in fact i i was actually wearing a puffy jacket on one of the trips okay

[00:09:59] now um you know also um you said it’s changed a lot since your first trip there you said

[00:10:04] i think you said 2017 was your first trip 2017 december was my first trip yes okay

[00:10:10] and then so since then you know um kind of like you know when you go look you know at different archaeological places

[00:10:16] like maybe the pyramids or things like this they’ve become very very big tourist destinations is that what this is becoming or is it

[00:10:24] still there’s still not a lot of visitors there i do not believe that it is becoming

[00:10:30] quite as open just yet you know one of the things is these are christian sites in a

[00:10:37] predominantly islamic nation yeah so it’s not going to be promoted as much as

[00:10:43] something that is islamic so that’s one of the things one of the sites in particular like you mentioned earlier

[00:10:48] when you opened up moses’s caves or or jethro’s caves it’s in fact labeled as a

[00:10:54] tourist site jethro’s caves by saudi arabia there is even a welcome

[00:10:59] visitor center it’s not called jethro it’s called shui but schwab is who they refer to as jethro in the quran

[00:11:08] and um so so um yeah well let’s uh let’s check out these photos and everything that you

[00:11:14] that you’ve uh taken when you were out there so um you know when i if you watch the

[00:11:20] search for the real mount sinai they they the video is pretty funny in parts because they act

[00:11:27] actually say like they were having trouble even getting into saudi arabia because they had to um they had to put a

[00:11:33] reason why they were coming in i don’t know if that is just because they were american or if it was there was some

[00:11:39] other reason why um but do you have difficulty getting access to

[00:11:44] uh to this or is it or is it easier for you because you were a um you know you

[00:11:50] were somebody staying in saudi arabia yeah for us we were living there so we just went we just took a domestic flight

[00:11:56] and went but today as americans you can get a tourist visa very very easily to visit saudi arabia

[00:12:02] and is that you know a lot of people when you when you think of an islamic country

[00:12:07] i used to have a muslim exchange student who was living at my house and he told me there are certain places he won’t

[00:12:14] even go as a muslim he wasn’t talking about saudi arabia but he would i think he was talking specifically about iran

[00:12:20] um but is is tourism relatively safe would you say for an american there or is that

[00:12:26] something they have to be concerned about or does does it just depend on what’s hap happening in the um

[00:12:32] you know uh socio-political uh realm yeah i think that is sort of segmented

[00:12:38] just to the socio-political realm you know as as tourists there and we were with many americans we were with you

[00:12:44] know people of other nationalities whenever we did these these trips and we never felt really threatened per se i

[00:12:50] mean we did have some bedouins come up to us out in the desert and ask us what we were doing there and they were kind

[00:12:56] of rough about it but not to the point of being threatened you know yeah because

[00:13:01] bob cornick in his video he actually says okay first of all we had to fake car visas to get in second

[00:13:08] of all when we got there there were fences up with armed guards and uh you know i don’t know if if he

[00:13:14] was trying to make it more dramatic than it was or if this was really the case because he’s like we had to sneak in the

[00:13:20] fence we had to climb up the mountain at night all this stuff and so what what is your take on that

[00:13:26] the fences are still there the signs are all still there um but there are no armed security

[00:13:32] guards anymore they have far more pressing things to deal with and so uh you know i’ll tell you a story where

[00:13:39] when one of the pictures come up but you know for example the the the golden cafeter is completely surrounded by a

[00:13:45] fence with a gate with a chain on it on a padlock mount sinai or the mountain that i’ll

[00:13:51] show you has a fence completely around it you know this is a country that has fenced a

[00:13:57] mountain can you imagine they fenced the mountain and put up a sign telling you do not go beyond the

[00:14:02] sign but i mean i’ll admit when when i approached at that time the first time we went

[00:14:08] i i told my friend i said man there’s a fence around here and it goes well there’s no fence there

[00:14:14] yeah i guess i guess they’re okay with you walking in over here it’s just not here you can walk in

[00:14:21] well i mean the french just broke down you know we just yeah we just walked across but yeah i mean they fenced everything is so well preserved out

[00:14:27] there that you know in some cases we had to use a drone to get over to see

[00:14:33] really what’s behind this fence wow because you’re just driving in a desert and you see this huge chain-link

[00:14:38] fence yeah padlocks and an antiquities sign and i have a picture of what the

[00:14:43] signs look like so yeah that’s so cool so um if you’re just tuning in my guest today is raj rajeev somaru and

[00:14:50] we just happened to connect at a home school convention and um so he he’s been

[00:14:56] in he lived in saudi arabia he’s been to the the spot where um some people have

[00:15:02] now decided uh mount sinai is actually in a different place than the original location that people thought it was and

[00:15:08] they think they’ve found the real thing so what are we looking at here rajiv so believe it or not this is actually one of my favorite pictures

[00:15:14] from saudi arabia i just i just took this on the side of the road driving we just pulled over to

[00:15:20] the side took this picture and i was like i showed this to people and they’re like is this the grand canyon it’s like nope

[00:15:25] i showed this to saudis and they’re like utah it could be like utah or something you know exactly utah or something and

[00:15:31] when i told him i said this is northwest saudi arabia and they go my saudi arabia i say obviously not it’s my saudi arabia

[00:15:37] because you haven’t been there but yeah so um i mean the the landscape is incredible

[00:15:45] right and it’s not something that is promoted a lot and i i tell people that if you have the opportunity to go and spend a week just

[00:15:51] traveling this area it is apart from the sites that we’re going to talk about it is absolutely incredible and the people

[00:15:59] very you know open and welcoming i mean once they realize that you’re a foreigner they want to they don’t see

[00:16:05] those they don’t see foreigners in this area they want to welcome you they want to invite you to their home and and

[00:16:10] everything the hospitality is amazing that’s wonderful yeah so yeah let me start uh

[00:16:16] taking us through right yeah so um when you look at a map and you you do any sort of research on

[00:16:22] where mount sinai might be of course you’ll come up with a traditional two possible sites in egypt

[00:16:28] right so the one that i visited was the one that’s located in saudi arabia and this area here of saudi is actually

[00:16:34] called midian right in the bible it speaks of the mountain of god being in media so that’s the first clue

[00:16:41] right driving through this area you’re going to see like the median gas processing plant by saudi aramco you’re

[00:16:47] going to see things that are labeled midian so you know so it’s that that’s what it’s called

[00:16:52] so midian as in uh midianites yes exactly yeah uh yeah so so that’s very interesting

[00:17:00] because um the one down there at the very bottom um yeah yeah that’s the one that they talk

[00:17:06] about in the search for real mount sinai and they say there’s no reason to believe this is actually the place um

[00:17:12] and they talk about they talk about the red sea crossing um that

[00:17:18] uh anyway we’re not going to get into too many of those details because that’s a lot to cover but um did you get a chance to look at the

[00:17:25] place where uh in the search for the remote sinai they claim that this is where they believe

[00:17:30] the israelites uh where moses parted the the sea and the israelites walked across

[00:17:36] yeah they said there’s actually a land bridge that comes up did you get to see that at all yeah i will i will show you

[00:17:41] what those areas look like that for me there are two potential locations and i will show you exactly those two that i

[00:17:48] think are possible and why i think they are possible right yeah so so this is the mountain here right and i call this

[00:17:54] the mount the mount sinai of saudi arabia and maybe perhaps it is the real mount sinai

[00:18:00] but what i like to do first is i want to show you the mountain this is

[00:18:06] what it looks like and then i’ll support it with the scripture so you’ll see the scripture on the top

[00:18:12] but in order you know like you mentioned you you want to look for things that

[00:18:18] that justify the the reality of the bible the truth of the bible yeah so we want to look for

[00:18:24] evidence around the mountain yeah so what it can be any mountain but what are the things that happened around this

[00:18:30] month and we know that many things happen around this mountain so first of all you look at this mountain and we see

[00:18:35] here in exodus 19 18 it says that it was covered with smoke because the lord descended on it with fire

[00:18:42] i mean when i spoke to our church here in texas about this you know all the barbecue

[00:18:48] professionals i’m like yeah you put any smoke on anything find anything it’s gonna get burnt right yeah yeah so so i

[00:18:55] mean you have the the top of a mountain that is darker than color okay maybe we can have a geological explanation for

[00:19:01] this i didn’t test anything i didn’t test the rocks or anything to to to understand this but just going purely

[00:19:07] from a from a visual sense this is an odd mountain that has the top of it the top one third of it that’s blackened

[00:19:14] so there are no other mountains in the area that have a similar feature it it continues across a small ridge but

[00:19:22] that’s it right um so let’s look at some of the other

[00:19:27] things that happened around this mountain yeah so the first thing is

[00:19:32] when they finally arrived when the the israelites finally arrived at the mountain right moses god called moses up

[00:19:40] to the mountain and then gave him some instructions he came back down and he told them look i’m going to go back up to this mountain

[00:19:46] but you know you all cannot come right so here’s where he put here god told him

[00:19:52] put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them be careful that you do not approach the mountain or

[00:19:57] touch the foot of it whoever touches the mountain is to be put to death they are to be stoned or shot with arrows

[00:20:04] just on the foot of this mountain we find this petroglyph with men carved with arrows on it i mean i can’t

[00:20:11] make out quite what these are doing here but that isn’t a bow and arrow that is a bow and arrow that is definitely a bow

[00:20:17] and arrow on the foot of this mountain right i i saw one site my friend told me two

[00:20:24] sites that’s not even in um the search for the real mount sinai they don’t they don’t mention that so that’s that’s something

[00:20:31] um have you ever heard anybody else reference that or is that something that you no i haven’t heard anyone reference this

[00:20:37] but it’s it’s somewhere because i mean we were walking around the mountain and happened to stumble upon these things

[00:20:43] wow but i mean here it is i mean this is you know a very hard piece of evidence

[00:20:48] yeah so so what else happened around the mountain right we know that

[00:20:54] goto when when uh on the western side of the mountain just

[00:21:01] you know just before you start to ascend the mountain when you look on google maps you see

[00:21:06] these two lanes right here okay you can see that there so if we zoom in or if we

[00:21:12] take a picture of it so i’m standing now on the foot of the mountain and looking down at this

[00:21:18] kind of arrow-shaped thing and then if we if we look at this point here i’m standing on a rock looking at

[00:21:25] these two lanes you can see the lanes here right this is at the very foot of the mountain

[00:21:30] so again behind the fence which we walked across got all moses in exodus 20 24 make an

[00:21:37] altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings your sheep and goats and your

[00:21:43] cattle so we see two two uh two rows one is a little bit larger than the

[00:21:49] other so you could imagine cheapen growth in one cattle in the other and then

[00:21:54] over here it says if you make an altar of stones for me do not build it with dress stones for you will defile it now

[00:22:01] one could argue that some of these stones look flat on one side but then if you look on the back side here on this

[00:22:07] fence on this wall behind you those stones are all flat-faced right and all the stones that are rubble down in that

[00:22:13] little ditch are all flat-faced as well and then it says here do not go up to

[00:22:18] the altar on steps or your private parts may be exposed this altar you notice i’m looking down

[00:22:26] at it yeah on in this picture and all around here you look down at it so it’s

[00:22:32] it’s at the foot of the mountain just before you start to ascend you’re looking down at it and it’s made of

[00:22:39] lanes supposedly for animals and you know it’s again you’re it’s not high

[00:22:45] up where you have to look up at it and what’s interesting about this is that there’s not any other archaeological

[00:22:52] like remains in this area it’s not as if there was some sort of a civilization that actually lived here no um and built

[00:22:58] buildings or did anything else no but let me show you something that’s even more interesting here now

[00:23:05] when moses actually got up the next morning and built the altar moses wrote down everything that the lord said he

[00:23:11] got up early the next morning and built another at the foot of the mountain and set up 12 stone pillars representing the

[00:23:17] 12 tribes of egypt you see those lanes right here yeah look at these these cuts these rock

[00:23:23] cuts right here you know pieces of pillars just strewn out in the desert

[00:23:29] at the foot of the mountain next to this wow that’s unbelievable i mean there’s

[00:23:36] got to be an explanation there and that seems like pretty straightforward it’s incredible though i mean because that

[00:23:41] what happened there with moses that’s literally about 3 500 years ago that

[00:23:47] this took place and yet it’s still there as a testament to what happened yep so i mean and this is

[00:23:54] the only white rock so wherever this right wherever they brought this white rock from they brought it specifically

[00:24:01] for doing or they they got special rock brought out you know just for this because it’s only the white rock that

[00:24:08] are shaped in this cylindrical form wow that’s amazing um now has anybody ever

[00:24:15] said something to you like well there has anybody come up with some sort of an excuse why this wouldn’t be

[00:24:22] um the evidence from uh what the bible is talking about you know after

[00:24:28] after people see these these pieces of evidence the arrows now they see this and then they see some of the other

[00:24:34] things that i’ll show you they they become convinced so i always start off saying that hey look i’m not

[00:24:40] going to tell you that this is the mountain let me just show you some things and then you decide after that i had a i had one of the first talks i did

[00:24:48] to a small group and there was this one guy flipping through the bible as i was talking just flipping through flipping

[00:24:53] through looking flipping through and at the end he just looked at me and said i am 100 convinced

[00:25:00] i mean it’s really compelling it’s like right wow okay this this happened right

[00:25:05] exactly exactly now the biggest story that most of us remember is what happened at the golden calf

[00:25:12] ultra right yeah where god gave moses the commandments as long as as well as all

[00:25:18] these other laws and moses is coming down now from the mountain and then

[00:25:23] there’s this big festival or celebration ongoing right yeah um

[00:25:29] so so here we see in exodus 32 he said you know he took what they handed him

[00:25:35] and this is the gold right because the israelites asked the egyptians for gold when they were leaving israel i’m

[00:25:41] leaving egypt sorry hannah made it into an idol cast it into the shape of a calf fashioning it with a

[00:25:48] tool then he said these are your gods now that was one of the things that kind of struck me these are your gods because

[00:25:54] when you look around this big pile of rock which you see is properly fenced

[00:25:59] yeah yeah and you see the mountain in the background yeah so you can tell from a proximity point of view we’re not far

[00:26:05] away that’s incredible these are amazing photos you’ve taken moses could have been walking right down here and then he

[00:26:10] saw what’s going on right down here yeah yeah yeah and i mean when i climbed up here many times i turned around and

[00:26:17] looked back to see if i can see this and you can’t wow right so imagine it lit in the night with fire oh and

[00:26:24] then moses is outraged he’s like freaking out like oh my god exactly

[00:26:29] the frustration that moses felt like you can just figure it out of the pages of the bible you know so so here are two

[00:26:35] examples of what those calves or the cattle you know carvings look like and they’re carved

[00:26:41] all around this this uh big uh pile of rock which is you know you you see it all

[00:26:47] there so even you know i speculated that maybe this is where they actually placed the golden calf and then they had those

[00:26:53] other carvings there they placed it on top there and they had the carvings around but the thing is is all the text

[00:26:58] says these right it’s it’s not singular it’s actually plural right these are your

[00:27:04] gods yeah right so yeah so this is what the sign in front of that pile of rock

[00:27:10] looks like so everywhere we went we saw signs like these on the fences just telling you you’re not to trespass so i

[00:27:17] didn’t dare go through this when you see it’s fence for chain link barbed wire there’s a gate with

[00:27:22] you know a padlock on it kind of thing that’s in it that’s something else that you know um

[00:27:29] as as more and more people uh have the opportunity to see this it it’s you’re afraid of you know uh

[00:27:36] vandals people who who either steal uh some of these evidences or they damage it or

[00:27:42] whatever you know um has that been an issue at all as far as you know i haven’t seen any sort of graffiti marks

[00:27:50] um in the area actually the last time i went to split rock i saw some graffiti

[00:27:56] someone wrote their name across a rock that was just away from it you know but um i don’t think

[00:28:03] in this area no because very close to where this is located there’s a small village out in

[00:28:08] the desert so i think because of that those people kind of look on what’s going on here yeah like they were

[00:28:14] checking on you too yeah yeah exactly exactly so you know just overlooking

[00:28:20] this this area here we found this rock where you can see um you know some other carvings of of uh

[00:28:26] cattle and so on so you know just speculating it could have been people just looking down and carving what they

[00:28:32] saw kind of thing you know something like that so so moses came down from the mountain

[00:28:38] right he saw what’s going on he broke the tablets he then took the calf he ground it into powder he scattered it

[00:28:45] in the water and then he made the people drink it and then what did he do right he called on them and he said

[00:28:52] who is for the lord and who came to him the levites came to him

[00:28:57] right and he told the levites that they you know go out and basically he commanded them that day

[00:29:04] to go out and kill your brother you know whoever was not for the lord and here we see in exodus 32 28 the

[00:29:13] levites did as moses commanded and that day about 3 000 people died wow about

[00:29:19] one and a half miles from this golden calf location so all of this would have happened at golden calf about one and a

[00:29:26] half miles away from it heading north there’s a a huge fenced off area

[00:29:32] and we couldn’t figure out what was behind it so when we had the opportunity to use a drone to get in there

[00:29:39] we saw these things what look like tombstones you know you can see the the the markings and you can see

[00:29:46] many of them standing side by side like this you know this is not a natural formation where

[00:29:52] you have rocks pile behind it and rocks in a line on the side so we saw these graveyards we saw this

[00:29:58] graveyard and we thought well you know maybe this is where they brought all these people and had them buried here because

[00:30:04] you won’t want to keep 3 000 dead bodies close to your camp yeah yeah yeah and it’s only a mile and a half you know

[00:30:11] that’s you know that’s nothing for them they’ve been walking for all this time anyway they’ve already been walking for

[00:30:16] almost three months by this time yep yeah that’s amazing yeah that’s another thing that’s not

[00:30:22] mentioned in the in the uh the search for the real mouse sinai you wouldn’t believe we were just driving in the

[00:30:28] desert and you saw the fence and then you said oh offense that must be something important let’s go and check it out and we were

[00:30:35] just walking around the fence and looking and couldn’t see so what’s interesting here is that um

[00:30:41] somebody uh within the saudi government or somewhere somebody knows their bible

[00:30:46] right somebody knows and of course muslims muslims believe in in uh moses i mean he’s one of their

[00:30:52] prophets and so um you know they have they have reverence for these events also um

[00:31:00] and so they’re there somebody’s been out here and looked at all this stuff and come to

[00:31:05] the conclusion that hey this is this is where it happened uh which is really interesting um have

[00:31:12] you ever heard anything from the saudi government as far as like you know has there ever been any kind of official proclamation um about because

[00:31:19] you know when we go and we explore places like the grand canyon or you go you know all the different sites

[00:31:24] throughout america the national parks there are signs always posted explaining here’s what this is this is what

[00:31:30] happened is there anything but they designate it as antiquities but is there any kind of description about

[00:31:36] what these things are there there are no descriptions as far as i am aware um i know that the saudi government is

[00:31:42] promoting the area for tourism but i don’t believe they’re using these sites as the tour as the marketing

[00:31:50] pictures right they’re using the other sites as such as alula and then they’re building the you know what is supposedly

[00:31:56] the most modern city on the planet and nyom up in that area as well oh they are

[00:32:02] they’re that that the i’ve heard lots of talk about this the giant city that’s like a wall that’s like a

[00:32:07] big destruction that is one but but there is another one that they started building many years ago called neon

[00:32:13] which is supposed to be like some kind of fancy resort it’s it’s supposed to be 10 times better than

[00:32:19] dubai basically it’s what they’re trying to do right and what is alola

[00:32:26] it’s a nabataean site navatian era site that is in the taboo province which is this not western province um

[00:32:34] that basically like the way petra is is really marketed

[00:32:40] as a tourist site yeah has not traditionally been marketed as a tourist site it’s it’s

[00:32:46] has the same sort of architecture as as petra just they were just sitting out in the desert with a little gravel road

[00:32:53] leading to it and that was it but now they’re actually starting to to put the infrastructure in place to attract

[00:32:59] tourists to come there interesting yeah yeah so so until this time i i kind of

[00:33:06] looked at some of the pieces of evidence that surrounds the mountain moving forward chronologically you know they

[00:33:12] arrive to the mountain and then these things happen but there’s some things that happen leading up to the mountains

[00:33:17] so one of those things of course was where they crossed you know when they crossed the red sea now when they

[00:33:22] crossed the red sea one of the things that they they

[00:33:28] encountered was elim which is you have mara and you have ellipse you have the bitter waters of mara and then you have

[00:33:34] elim i personally have not tasted any of the waters on any of the flowing streams

[00:33:39] so i cannot tell you whether they were bitter or not but i can tell you that leading directly from the coast so where

[00:33:45] this picture on the left was taken i’m standing on the shore of the red sea with egypt behind me

[00:33:51] and there’s this rock formation now here’s a dumpster and here’s a full-size pickup truck for your

[00:33:57] reference to give you this the size of the scale of this this uh this this

[00:34:02] gorge going in here in speaking with the locals they will tell you that

[00:34:08] when musa or moses crossed the red sea not only did the red sea split but the rock

[00:34:15] split for the people to enter this is what the locals will tell you interesting huh and they refer to this

[00:34:22] they actually call this place in their local language the eye of moses

[00:34:28] right yeah that’s pretty amazing so these people and these people have passed down an

[00:34:34] oral history is that what it is exactly this is typically how they pass down their stuff the bedouin culture is you

[00:34:39] yeah by storytelling so there so i mean that story has to originate from somewhere so i mean it

[00:34:46] just seems very intuitive that uh this is obviously where this all happened because

[00:34:52] why would these people be talking about it like this if it hadn’t so they call this place the eye of moses

[00:34:58] as i say this is on the show of the red sea so i’m standing on the shore just looking into it when you drive into this

[00:35:03] gorge or go into this gorge you see you know areas that look like this with lots of palms you see some areas that get

[00:35:09] narrow where you know you actually need to get people come out the car and help direct you how you can navigate through

[00:35:15] the rocks and so on but then you get to a huge opening where there are lots of palms but not only are there a lot of

[00:35:22] palms but they are well so of course these wells have been now concreted but they

[00:35:27] are wells i personally counted nine wells right just looking through but you know maybe

[00:35:34] some have not been discovered or just covered up and or i couldn’t find them but around that area would also find

[00:35:40] like these um like mounds of uh of rock use maybe as some kind of

[00:35:47] collection site for something right so yeah so here here is that site i was telling you about where you saw that

[00:35:53] gorge and this is that gorge going in it goes in about three miles until you reach that

[00:35:59] and it’s just a direct road you know there are no no exits it’s just one road all the way

[00:36:05] to this so just you know the only way you could go yeah the israelites came here they got here and then it was like

[00:36:10] oh well i guess we need to go here and just just have to walk and then they came here so somewhere in here might be

[00:36:16] the bitter waters of mara right like i was showing on this previous one well maybe you don’t see it

[00:36:22] well you can see like some wet streams right here so you found little streams all over while you were driving in but

[00:36:28] um or hiking in but yeah i mean i didn’t taste these waters or anything

[00:36:34] who who put the concrete in there with the rebar it could it could have been um you know like bedouins who were living

[00:36:40] out there for some time they found the springs and they decided to just you know make it more official but i mean

[00:36:47] there’s no no other infrastructure out there right now so in fact you would not see any houses in there

[00:36:52] you would not see you know any remnants of anything just this concrete rebar yeah

[00:36:58] right that’s amazing right now again the other big thing after they left this

[00:37:04] place right they went out into the desert of sin which is where they actually

[00:37:10] came upon the split rock so so this is me standing to give you the

[00:37:15] the idea of the size of that split um you know it’s probably a 38 35 foot

[00:37:21] high rock okay um here is a picture of it looking from a distance away

[00:37:28] and you can see how significant that is so here here are two people just walking right there but

[00:37:34] you know it’s something you cannot miss yeah the first time we were driving looking for this thing

[00:37:40] my wife was like you know how are we going to find this i mean where where is this rock i mean look at how many rocks there are here yeah as we

[00:37:47] drove in front this one she goes oh is that wrong yeah it’s pretty obvious yeah

[00:37:54] so yeah there’s a split rocket which the bible references and where where the

[00:37:59] israelites got all the water they needed yeah exactly exactly so so i mean this

[00:38:04] one is about 25 miles from the oasis of helium elim so really you can see that these these are

[00:38:12] all walkable distances right over a day or two you can more than walk this

[00:38:17] right so if you stood at the split rock and you looked out now into the other direction looked out towards the uh east

[00:38:24] this is what you see so this is that picture is telling you about with the two cars just out in the middle of

[00:38:29] the desert and you know there’s just nothing around beautiful that’s a real desert right there that’s a real desert that is a proper desert yeah

[00:38:36] but you know one of the things that’s interesting here is you look at this big expanse and you imagine that here would have

[00:38:42] been filled with israelites and then you continue looking towards this direction and you see this kind of little hill

[00:38:49] right here yeah and i don’t know if you can see clearly but there’s like a black line on top

[00:38:54] that hill i see it yeah yeah yeah that line actually shows up like this on

[00:39:02] on on on your maps on your google maps right so you can see you have that huge

[00:39:08] expanse you have that huge expanse down here as well and we know here that that is where the battle of the amalekites

[00:39:14] happened when moses when he raised his hands up that’s when they were winning and when he had his hands down they were not yeah

[00:39:21] so you can imagine that maybe wherever the amalekites attacked from moses went up on a hill i don’t know if it could

[00:39:27] have been this hill or this hill but let me show you a close-up of what that hill looks like now

[00:39:33] this is that hill and that is that black seam of rock that you see right there

[00:39:39] yeah yeah so you we you know i was just standing here and just picturing like okay you have the levites coming from

[00:39:45] this way you have the amalekites coming from this way and you know maybe this is where he stood

[00:39:50] could be yeah but what’s more interesting about this pile of rock right here

[00:39:55] as we started to kind of walk around those rocks you saw footprints carved into those rocks

[00:40:03] right oh interesting right and we we’ve seen deuteronomy 11 every place where you set your foot will

[00:40:10] be yours your territory will extend from the desert to lebanon and from the euphrates river to the mediterranean sea

[00:40:16] and what better way to put your footprints than carving it on a rock than stamping it in the desert sun right

[00:40:23] they weren’t going to take they weren’t going to take any chances hey god that was our footprint right there

[00:40:29] they took him out his word yeah that’s awesome so throughout that pile of rock you see

[00:40:34] these footprints now this is the only place that i’ve seen these footprints yeah their footprints elsewhere but this

[00:40:40] was the only place where they were so visible right right here in front of the rock in referendum

[00:40:46] wow yeah that’s it that is so cool man you’re gonna have to make your own movie man

[00:40:52] [Laughter] right so so now you know we we see in

[00:40:57] the text as well we know that jethro moses’s father-in-law lived

[00:41:03] fairly close by because jethro sent word to moses that he was going to come out and meet him he sent

[00:41:08] word to moses when moses was at referendum and then jethro went out somewhere next to the mountain so we

[00:41:15] know referendum and the mountain are close by because jethro went to meet moses close to the base of the mountain

[00:41:22] this these are the sites that i told you about that saudi arabia has labeled as the dwellings of jethro right of course

[00:41:29] i like i told you they call him schweib right they’re navitian era so you can see the steps just like you would see in

[00:41:36] petra in jordan right and there are many of them on the hillside when you look at the hillside

[00:41:42] there are many of them right so there’s a this place is fenced off

[00:41:47] there’s a visitor center you can drive in you can walk into the caves but the view from the cave when you turn

[00:41:53] the other direction is the mountain wow the view is the mountain so you know

[00:42:00] it’s not far away it’s not this is not the back side of the mountain the previous view you saw of the mountain

[00:42:05] was the front side wow so so wait so this what do you mean when

[00:42:11] you say this is the back side of the mountain are you talking to the back side of mount sinai yes so the view i

[00:42:16] showed you with the golden calf oh i got it okay yeah that is looking at the mountain from the east

[00:42:23] okay right and this view is looking at the mountain from the west ah so the western side of the mountain

[00:42:31] so so this is really interesting um so is the belief that when moses left

[00:42:38] egypt when he fled egypt that this is where he lived well i don’t know if

[00:42:45] well okay he he did meet zapporo yeah because he he lives out in the desert for a long time

[00:42:51] so so it could be that he lived here maybe he did yeah well that’s so interesting so because

[00:42:58] because he goes out he he flees egypt he’s um he’s on the run because he

[00:43:03] killed a man and he’s out there in the desert he sees the the bush that won’t burn up and god

[00:43:09] tells them go back to egypt and then the whole all the plagues happen and then

[00:43:14] he says let my people go they all leave and they actually come back out towards

[00:43:20] where maybe he was staying maybe he had previously stayed yeah

[00:43:26] exactly exactly wow that’s amazing right so so inside these caves you know sort of look like

[00:43:32] this so you know they probably had some small rooms in there they had places to to put

[00:43:38] grain or food storage or something like that but again you know this is all in view of the mountain

[00:43:43] and nobody’s around these areas nobody’s around this here ah no this there is a

[00:43:49] small town right where this is there’s a small town called al bad

[00:43:55] that is just this this site is in this town okay and like i say it’s fenced around and

[00:44:01] there’s a tourist visitor center and everything but they all say these are the caves of moses and

[00:44:07] jethro the exactly that’s what the signs say oh wow

[00:44:12] that’s incredible yeah no no these are the the texts from exodus right but there are a few more texts

[00:44:18] that we need to look at in order to continue to support this mountain as having the claim of being mount sinai

[00:44:25] right one of them is in first kings we see when the prophet elijah was fleeing from

[00:44:32] jezebel right the angel of the lord came back a second time and touched him and said get

[00:44:37] up and eat for the journey is too much for you so he got up he ate he drank strengthened by that food he traveled 40

[00:44:44] days and 40 nights until he reached horeb the mountain of god there he went into a cave and spent the

[00:44:50] night so first kings the account of elijah tells us that

[00:44:55] there’s a cave on the mountain of god if you look at this picture

[00:45:02] right on the top here it’s probably a little bit difficult to see but there are two rocks standing if we zoom into

[00:45:09] that picture that picture looks like this there are two two rocks standing with a small tree in the middle

[00:45:15] just as you follow that down you can see this cave and this is what the inside of that cave

[00:45:21] looks like standing on the inside looking out and what do you look out at up in the corner

[00:45:27] here is the golden calf altar and just behind this rock all the way down is

[00:45:32] that uh altar that moses built that was low oh wow

[00:45:38] right just at that cave that’s amazing

[00:45:44] and you can see the cave is print plenty large enough for someone to sleep and spend some time in there yeah

[00:45:51] yeah that’s fantastic boy that must have been quite a trip for you to be uh that’s a lot of hiking it is a lot of

[00:45:58] hiking and then especially if you’re trying to be invisible yeah and you have to take some long

[00:46:04] routes yes and you’re also you’re also um you know you’re not sure of where everything is and so you’re kind of

[00:46:11] exploring while you’re hiking uh how long were you that first time how long were you out here did you see all of these sites that

[00:46:17] first time or not so that first time we didn’t see all of the all of the so this cave i never noticed i didn’t even know

[00:46:24] that this cave was there and how i learned about this cave was i went a second time with some friends and he

[00:46:30] took this picture and he sent me all his pictures and i’m looking at it and i’m like is that a

[00:46:37] cave that i see in that photo yeah and then i told to another friend and he went back there and then he went up to

[00:46:44] the cave and this is what they found i was like wow so it’s just from a picture we noticed

[00:46:49] the cave yeah yeah and you guys were able to find it that’s incredible well i mean yeah

[00:46:54] exactly i mean as i say just right down here is where the golden calf altar is and just to the bottom down here

[00:47:01] now this is a steep climb up i tell you what to get from where that altar is up to here it’s probably it will take

[00:47:09] you about 30 minutes but it is super steep right you’re you’re basically stepping

[00:47:15] up you know a foot a foot and a half every time you make a step because of the rocks yeah yeah that looks pretty

[00:47:22] imposing right there that that yeah i mean you can see what this here looks like right yeah like this

[00:47:28] yeah yeah elijah was determined he was like get me out of here man

[00:47:36] right so then finally yeah well not finally but one of the other things was you know we just spoke about zephora and

[00:47:43] where moses met her at a well and i mean this is basically my family on one of those

[00:47:48] trips where we where saudi arabia has this nicely labeled well of moses

[00:47:54] in the city of al-makna yeah um where you can just drive and basically see that you know there is in the desert you

[00:48:01] can see this is like a little oasis and there’s just water just flowing out you know down a stream

[00:48:08] right so so and again this is about 20 miles from where um or maybe

[00:48:16] less from where those caves are where moses’s dwellings or jethro’s dwellings are

[00:48:21] okay yeah so right right very close to the seaside as well that’s what’s so incredible about the bible you know is

[00:48:27] that just all the time they’re finding all the places mentioned in the bible you know

[00:48:33] and the more people look around the more you go well here’s where it was this is where it happened right and uh it’s just

[00:48:39] stunning yeah yeah so so let’s look at some of these things from uh let’s look at the

[00:48:45] crossing now right so before they they they got to do all these things they did have to cross the red sea

[00:48:50] so this here’s the gulf of aqaba this is the saudi arabia coast you have

[00:48:56] jordan over here you have israel up here and then you have the egyptian coast of the sinai peninsula right so what the

[00:49:03] one of the main locations that is currently called mount sinai is somewhere up in this region here yeah

[00:49:09] yeah now in the gulf of aqaba what you notice is there are maybe two possible sites so the one that

[00:49:15] you mentioned earlier is actually this one here where there’s possibly you can see the

[00:49:21] water look shallower even on the maps okay yeah so the scripture says here that

[00:49:27] tell the israelites to turn back an encampment hahiroth right pihiroth essentially

[00:49:34] means entrance or mouth of a canal okay so yeah maybe that is correct this is near

[00:49:41] the mouth of a canal right and there to encompa in the sea or encamped by the sea directly opposite

[00:49:48] belzefon but also there is a mention here of migdol which

[00:49:54] in hebrew means right you see here in camp yeah right between migdel and the sea yeah

[00:50:01] essentially means like an elevated region so you can see here that these are pills elevated it’s between camping

[00:50:08] on the seaside between the elevated region mcdowell and that that area yeah

[00:50:15] now this is possibly one so it means that they would have crossed here through this what could appear to be a

[00:50:21] land bridge yeah but then there’s also this other area that’s just a little bit north

[00:50:27] okay and this is what that looks like on 3d satellite where you can see it’s just with one path coming in

[00:50:34] and then this open expanse of land of desert sand that looks almost like a delta

[00:50:40] and then that crosses over towards saudi again here yeah and they would be trapped there

[00:50:46] also and here you would be even more better trapped this is a better trap than the one down here yeah yeah yeah right

[00:50:53] because here you can probably still try to escape going north but here there’s no way it’s this is it

[00:50:58] it’s either across the water or back and you know if the egyptians are coming down here there’s no way to get out

[00:51:05] yeah so so these are two possible sides that i think could be the crossing now

[00:51:10] what is the location of that eye of moses that i showed you that’s right here

[00:51:16] right so you know is it that they crossed this way and they went up here and went this way or maybe the maybe the landscape was

[00:51:24] a little bit different and they were able to cross from here directly across here whatever it may be

[00:51:30] you know the the general thinking is that they cross somewhere from here yeah somewhere around here

[00:51:37] right and now to kind of put that into perspective in terms of where those things are so

[00:51:42] looking at the map now let’s just focus a little bit on this box this green box to kind of get an idea of where the

[00:51:49] things are so first of all this is where the eye of moses is located okay you have that

[00:51:55] gorge that i showed you that’s kind of wiggling its way into the land or isis

[00:52:00] so marani lim somewhere in this area right then

[00:52:05] so this is basically the desert offshore then they went into refidem which is up here so you can see

[00:52:13] you can move from here through these gorges all the way to up where the split rocket referendum is

[00:52:20] right for the water where they got the water as well as where they had the battle with the amalekites

[00:52:26] and now we know that jethro was able to to basically meet moses within a few days to have that

[00:52:32] consultation with him jethro’s caves are located right here yeah yeah

[00:52:39] and we know jethro went to meet moses close to the mountain where is that mountain

[00:52:45] right here so moses would have come down from here someplace jethro would have gone here

[00:52:50] they probably met somewhere in the middle right they had that consultation yeah jethro returned moses returned

[00:52:58] but then eventually when they left refer them they came the same day the

[00:53:03] scripture says the same day they came in the presence of the of the uh

[00:53:08] of the mountain of mount sinai so it wasn’t a long walk at all and here is

[00:53:14] where the altar of moses the one that i showed you that looks like an apex so to speak yeah yeah and then the golden

[00:53:19] cafalter is right next to it within eye shot okay and then those graveyards that i

[00:53:25] show you are a little bit further up right maybe a little bit down maybe

[00:53:30] towards this area here but that’s where those graveyards are and when you think about this distance

[00:53:36] this arrow here represents 28 miles so you’re talking 28 miles this way maybe another 20 miles

[00:53:45] this way so you’re looking at a triangle that’s no more than 28 by 20 by maybe

[00:53:50] 30. all doable for people to be able to walk and and all over the area people to be

[00:53:56] able to walk exactly yeah exactly yeah so that’s amazing what you’ve done

[00:54:02] here yeah that’s amazing how you put that all like that i mean that’s that just makes

[00:54:07] it that much more real i mean that’s just uh because when i when i watch the you know the search for the real mount

[00:54:12] sinai they don’t do anything like this i mean i mean they have some general uh demonstration of where things are but i

[00:54:19] mean you’ve really laid it out like exactly where things are it’s just yeah that’s really cool

[00:54:24] um yeah search for the real mount sinai number two

[00:54:29] [Laughter] no no thank you it was an awesome time i mean i visited this place about four or

[00:54:35] five times and each time it was always you know adventure and looking for something different and the point is that none of

[00:54:42] these things are you know apart from jethro’s caves there are no labels anywhere you just go

[00:54:49] and it’s out there you just go and you visit and you you know so we’re not there with a group of men one time we were just reading the

[00:54:56] bible and looking around and reading and looking around boy that’s like that’s like indiana jones

[00:55:02] right there looking for the lost treasure right so so uh do you think uh so can people call

[00:55:09] you up to like give them tours out there like you you’ll take them out there i mean i would love to take them of

[00:55:14] course of course i mean there are groups that are doing tours they’re now um you know you can do a search online i

[00:55:21] have friends there that are you know doing tours you know just hey can you take us to mount sinai show you know

[00:55:27] they just say i have a weekend free and they just go to do it for fun kind of thing um but yeah i mean

[00:55:33] i will jump at the next opportunity that i have to go back and explore this place a bit more you know okay yeah for those

[00:55:39] of you listening you heard it um give him a call you pay for his airfare and all his food and everything there you go

[00:55:47] awesome so so um one other question i wanted to ask you too was how did this impact you spiritually as far as like

[00:55:54] you know did you grow up in a christian family um and did you already believe in the bible um how did this impact you as

[00:56:00] you you know got to see this stuff for the first time and everything uh you know that that’s a good question so i

[00:56:06] didn’t grow up in a christian family i actually grew up in a hindu home and you know coming to christ later on

[00:56:13] in my life when i was in my early 20s you know but reading the stories was one

[00:56:18] thing you know i mean even even in my home because trinidad is such a multicultural society you were exposed

[00:56:25] to to everything yeah right so i mean i went to catholic schools all my life

[00:56:30] and you know reading the stories they almost seemed unbelievable

[00:56:35] you know parting of the red sea like what really yeah come on especially the way it’s depicted right in the movies or

[00:56:42] the drawings or whatever um but then actually going out to this

[00:56:47] place i haven’t been to israel yet so you know i know that israel you have all these sites that are labeled and this is

[00:56:52] where this happened and this is where this happened and so on but this one was different just because you were looking

[00:56:59] for evidence that was not labeled you were actually discovering yourself or just using bits and pieces of

[00:57:04] information that you found online and translating and you know that kind of stuff and

[00:57:10] actually being able to see that hey this really did happen this is what the bible

[00:57:16] talks about this is the truth of it here this is the evidence of what the bible speaks about and that

[00:57:22] impacted us a little bit well a bit more just four months after

[00:57:27] because you know like you mentioned the yara star foundation when we started

[00:57:33] four months after this this specific trip that very first trip that daughter of ours our younger

[00:57:39] daughter she passed away exactly four months and it really gave us the hope that you know

[00:57:46] our trust is in the lord jesus and he was here he walked this land and he he all of this happened in this area so

[00:57:53] our hope is actually in the right place and that is what has you know allowed us to walk

[00:57:59] you know continue to walk knowing that hey you know

[00:58:04] this is god has a plan for us and we just need to to to to be still to just

[00:58:10] sit and just look at him you know fight for us basically my last slide of this presentation is

[00:58:16] actually just that the lord will fight for you you only need to be still

[00:58:21] right and i think that is where all of this kind of really helped to cement uh within us that hey this is all true

[00:58:28] that what’s written in the bible is it’s all true and we should not take it for as just

[00:58:34] illustrations that’s a blessing for anybody to hear um you know in their walk with the lord and

[00:58:40] i think this kind of stuff really does solidify it for people you know is it yeah it just

[00:58:45] goes hey my hope is in something true and the hope of heaven is there and i’m

[00:58:51] going to get to see my loved ones who have gone before me um to spend eternity with christ so

[00:58:58] praise god that’s awesome and thanks thanks for doing this and um tell tell you know before we get off the air tell

[00:59:03] our listeners a little bit about the foundation um and uh so that they could support that if if they uh feel led by the spirit

[00:59:10] yeah sure so the yara star foundation like i just mentioned was born out of um

[00:59:16] just uh wanting to be able to help children starting off with children with special needs right so our younger daughter that

[00:59:22] passed she her name was yara and um she did have down syndrome and we had a lot

[00:59:29] of struggles you know when you have a child with a disability it’s you know parents tend to feel hopeless and and

[00:59:35] you know not knowing how to do what to do and what will be this child’s outlook on life etc but we were privileged

[00:59:42] enough to be able to to do special programs with our daughter and we felt that

[00:59:49] even though we don’t have to do that at this time other people need to be made aware and

[00:59:55] other people need to receive the help and that’s where the yara staff foundation comes in we we do offer

[01:00:01] scholarships to parents with children with special needs to attend special programs that are meant to improve the

[01:00:06] child’s intellectual and physical development as well as offer scholarships to to just children living

[01:00:14] in impoverished situations that are you know trying to um to make themselves or put themselves in

[01:00:20] a better position yeah and yeah that’s what it is well um what where

[01:00:25] where can they go if they’d like to be involved with that what’s the website oh yeah so it’s just yara star foundation

[01:00:32] so that’s y-a-r-a-s-t-a-r foundation.org and on there there’s a

[01:00:38] donate button and yes we are we will welcome any donation nothing is too too

[01:00:43] small that’s wonderful um yeah my daughter i have a daughter with cystic fibrosis so

[01:00:48] i know i know that uh the difficulties there so um well that’s wonderful what you’re

[01:00:53] doing and uh rajiv thank you so much again for for being with us that’s that this was a huge blessing so thank you so

[01:00:59] much man no thank you for having me absolutely so for those of you listening um we will be back again next week mark

[01:01:06] armitage if you’re interesting we’re doing all kinds of digging stuff here so we got archaeology and now we’re looking

[01:01:12] into paleontology and more evidence of the truth of the bible it’s really really incredible stuff um he was

[01:01:19] actually fired from his university as a microscopy expert because when he found

[01:01:25] the uh soft tissue in the triceratops horn he wrote it up in a peer-reviewed journal that there’s no way it could be

[01:01:31] millions of years old and um they fired him for advocating a creationist

[01:01:37] viewpoint but um it’s one of the rare situations where he was actually um it

[01:01:42] went to court and uh he won the court case and he has now gone on to find more

[01:01:48] soft tissue and is expanding this and does research with kids and all kinds of amazing things so i hope you can join us

[01:01:55] again next week but uh thanks for being here and i hope you have a wonderful evening god bless

[01:02:00] you and we’ll see you next time

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