The Progression of the Global Flood in Detail with Dr. Tim Clarey with the Institute for Creation Research

[00:00:00] thanks for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover and we’re broadcasting down here in Southern California we’re on kpra 1210 a.m. as

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[00:00:25] my guest is Dr Tim Clary he’s received a master of science and geology in 1984 from the University of Wyoming and a

[00:00:31] master of science in hydrogeology in 1993 from Western Michigan University he

[00:00:36] received his PhD in geology in 1996 from Western M Michigan University and he

[00:00:42] actually worked for Chevron from 1984 to 1992 where he was an exploration

[00:00:47] geologist so he has handson experience here uh in geology developing oil

[00:00:53] drilling prospects and analyzing assets and Lease purchases he was full professor and geosciences chair at Delta

[00:01:00] to college in Michigan for 17 years before leaving in 2013 to join the science staff at The Institute for

[00:01:06] creation research which is based in Texas if you don’t know about them and he’s published many papers and authored

[00:01:12] many books and one of his most recent books is uh called carbon Stone and that

[00:01:17] book specifically deals with the progression of the global flood of Noah’s flood so how did that all take

[00:01:23] place and this is this is kind of um in a sense Cutting Edge uh geology the

[00:01:30] study of the progression of the flood because um it is okay what initiated

[00:01:36] things and then how did things develop um and so uh Dr Clary thanks so much for

[00:01:41] uh being on the program today oh it’s a pleasure being here it really is yeah well I’m I’m excited to hear what you

[00:01:47] have to say is that true what I’m saying that that that this is kind of um a Cutting Edge research as far as you know

[00:01:54] where we’re heading in creation science well it really is I mean until I began this program about 10 years ago join an

[00:02:00] icr there’s really no one has done anything like this there Henry Morris

[00:02:05] kind of changed the world with his book he and John Wickam put in 1961 out there and kind of gave people an alternative

[00:02:12] to you know the uniformitarianism or The evolutionary story of geology but he

[00:02:18] didn’t really have the data I he looked at all the papers that were published but this is brand new data that no one has done anything like this uh there’s

[00:02:24] nobody even to my knowledge even The evolutionary world that’s going continent by continent plotting up the Oil Well

[00:02:30] which again I see God’s hand in my history that he I was able to do that for a while with Chevron to learn how to

[00:02:37] use these oil wells better than maybe most people maybe as familiar with it and so it’s really been a blessing to to

[00:02:44] go around and plat up you know one continent and then the next continent the next continent and when I was with oil and gas company we couldn’t you know

[00:02:50] you just they look at little tiny areas you couldn’t look at the whole Continental scale so even the oil and gas geologist when I go to conferences

[00:02:55] present some of this uh I have to be careful on my word and I can’t mention the flood but I can talk about flooding

[00:03:01] events and we see multiple flooding events ultimately you know that kind of progressed along until well eventually I

[00:03:07] believe the data even shows the evidence is strong to show there was one point in history when everything flooded and we

[00:03:15] we’ll get a chance to look at a few of the maps that I’ve compiled uh I left all my maps in today’s sort of

[00:03:21] configuration for the continents even though we do believe there was a Pangia type maybe a little bit different than

[00:03:27] the little modified uh but basically up P that moved apart very quickly during the flood year and then that that really

[00:03:34] was the mechanism I believe for the flood was the creation of a whole new seaf Flor very quickly and

[00:03:41] that John bom Gardner’s work yes John bomgardner yeah he’s fantastic and um uh

[00:03:48] geophysicist and he’s done all kinds of uh work as well and um so that’s what

[00:03:53] you know I’m kind of I’m really interested in I’m sure our guests are interested in is what is this evidence and um why did you decide to focus on

[00:04:01] this particular area of the flood um what what caused you to decide hey this is where I’m going to I’m going to focus

[00:04:06] my research because like you said there is no other book carbon stone is really the only book that addresses this really

[00:04:12] in existence um that book came out in 2020 if you’re listening and you’re interested you can get this on iccr’s

[00:04:18] website icr.org um tell us a little bit about that what caused you to decide this is where I want to focus well

[00:04:24] really was it was John Morris was instrumental in bringing me to icr and so he he just passed away year or two

[00:04:31] ago uh he was also my mentor for a while the first few years I was at icr but it

[00:04:36] was really his idea and his brother Henry mors III that really said maybe you should start working on this column

[00:04:41] project and it was something I wanted to do for several years but we I just never had the time to do it and I tried to get

[00:04:46] other geologists and the creation Community to work on this as well but nobody ever seemed to have the time so icr allowed me to the time by the you

[00:04:54] know the donors I give to icr to pay my salary for me to do this and so I spent a lot of my time in the office compiling

[00:05:00] data looking for data finding data I don’t get to go to these places but I can find all the data online if you do

[00:05:05] enough Data Mining and but it’s very tedious but uh yeah eventually you can

[00:05:11] get the data and what we do is we come have all these columns over I think around 3,000 columns now globally but it

[00:05:18] really started out with just looking at North America and kind of building out and seeing what we had and then we went

[00:05:24] to Africa then we went to South America to all those pieces that kind of could close the Atlantic back up

[00:05:30] so we tried to do the pieces back and forth Europe those four major continents first and then we started really seeing

[00:05:35] the pattern and that’s when I wrote the car and stone book uh Henry Morris the third says we got to get a book out

[00:05:41] there showing what you’re finding we can’t wait till you get done so but it does show the same pattern that I’m seeing on all the other continents uh

[00:05:48] since I finish so we’ve got five continents done now almost have six continent which is Australia done and

[00:05:54] it’s they’re all showing the same pattern I’ll show a few slides here in a minute to kind of show you what I mean so Break It Down For Us in uh kind of

[00:06:01] layman’s terms what exactly um is is it that you’re looking at what patterns are

[00:06:06] you finding that are pointing to a worldwide flood what what is it exactly

[00:06:12] that you’re looking at okay I’m plotting up all the basically the all the rock data all the sedimentary rocks and even

[00:06:19] some of the volcanic rocks in the world and I’m doing it by plotting up every major Basin every major uplift there’s a

[00:06:25] geologic column it’s called or a statgraphic column so if you drilled a well right where you city right all the way down to the crust all those

[00:06:32] thousands of feet or hundreds of feet or wherever you live sometimes no feet right at the crust right down to the

[00:06:37] basement you know which is granite or metamorphic rocks we and we compile by latitude and longitude that point is you

[00:06:44] know just like you drill a well all the way down so you have so many thousands of we use meters meters of sandstone

[00:06:50] Limestone whatever it is all the way down we also pick what’s called Mega sequence boundaries which are these

[00:06:56] sequence boundaries where even the evolutionists believe they were floods that came in and backed off and came in

[00:07:01] backed off they just believe it took place over millions of years we see that it’s all one continuous yearlong flood

[00:07:07] like the Bible describes there’s no evidence of time in between the layers you just see stacked layers just like

[00:07:12] you see in Grand Canyon but really so so just to make sure that I understand what you’re saying when you what you’re doing

[00:07:20] is um and I’m sure everybody that’s listening is familiar with the Grand Canyon and you see the layers going down

[00:07:26] the Grand Canyon so what you’re essentially doing is looking at oil um

[00:07:31] oil where they’ve dug for oil and you can you can actually see that same strata but in different places all over

[00:07:37] the continent and all over the world exact exactly that’s that’s a very good way to look at you kind of see Grand

[00:07:43] Canyon and you can see the layers I think God almost purposefully carved that out during the receding phase of the flood so we could see what was down

[00:07:49] below yeah and in the last century of course we’ve been drilling Wells and so we’re able to extend that same rocks in

[00:07:55] Grand Canyon all the way across North America and we’re seeing some of those same rocks exist on almost all the

[00:08:01] continents of the world in the same order the same pattern even the fossils are the same order and and you as you’ll

[00:08:07] see the extent sets out minimal flooding which we never knew this before we never knew how the flood really it was a

[00:08:14] progressive flood even though you read Genesis 7 it’s hard to miss there was a progressive flood it kept getting higher

[00:08:19] exceedingly higher exceedingly higher so I encourage the listeners to read Genesis 7 and then think about what I’m

[00:08:24] seeing in the Rocks the Rocks really do show that there is a pattern to the flood that every continent does almost

[00:08:30] the same thing at the same time but it wasn’t so we put all this data into the you know each continent by continent by

[00:08:35] continent that we started seeing those patterns and so nobody really knew this and to to my knowledge nobody is doing

[00:08:41] anything like this except you know the research that I get to do at IC and I feel it’s a real blessing I mean to me

[00:08:47] theologist it excites me because this is like every continent like open up a new Christmas present see how it dies into

[00:08:53] the next one and the next one but they all show a very similar pattern as we’ll see here in just a moment that is so

[00:09:00] that is so amazing now um a couple questions here again just to break it down into layman’s terms so when you say

[00:09:08] uh it’s a progressive flood um the alternative would be what is what is the

[00:09:13] alternative a non-progressive flood what is the difference Progressive flood and yeah some people say it flooded

[00:09:18] everything right away and that’s pretty all the water was there all all the water went right away and flooded everything right away or maybe the first

[00:09:25] 40 days yeah I don’t see that I think with the work of John bomgardner in his

[00:09:31] geophysics shown it was what he believes I think is the case of runaway subduction the evidence back to that

[00:09:36] there’s really strong evidence because you have really cold slabs of of lithosphere or crust deep in the Earth

[00:09:43] all the way down to the mantle and so those if they went down really slow they wouldn’t still be cold and so there is

[00:09:48] evidence to back up his ideas and his math has never been shown to be wrong and so I believe that’s the mechanism

[00:09:54] that God used to bring about the flood and it took 150 days to reach

[00:09:59] the maximum according to the biblical text least that’s the way we see it it’s it’s pretty clear that yeah it wasn’t

[00:10:06] just immediate flooding like some people have said some creationist have said it floods everything right away but then you’d have all these you know T-Rexes

[00:10:12] mixed in with trites and you don’t see that you see very order to the fossils because there was a progressive flood

[00:10:18] they went higher and higher flooding different ecological zones as it went Higher and Higher and we we’ve

[00:10:23] identified about three basic zones of flooding based on what we see of the rocks how they kind of lay out the

[00:10:29] lowest areas first and then the next area the next area and it really makes a lot of sense so so um the wa the water

[00:10:36] the Bible says that all The Fountains of the deep burst forth on one day so the waters come out of the crust of the earth and then they begin to spread out

[00:10:44] across the earth almost like a a pool that’s filling up right yeah very very violently you know

[00:10:51] very these are tsunami waves that were bigger than anything we’ve witnessed they might have been there’s some estimates based on some of the sand

[00:10:57] waves we see maybe 500 foot high waves whereas today a tsunami wave can kill hundreds of thousands of people with a

[00:11:03] 50 foot wave that covers a big area and the water burst right The Fountains burst out water and lava came out we can

[00:11:10] see evidence in the Rocks still we can still see the lavas where these cracks opened up on the east coast and the West Coast the United States and around the

[00:11:17] world but how much water came out you know it’s unclear but a lot of the water might have been in the pre flood ocean

[00:11:23] so you really just have to push the bottom of the ocean up and as you made a new seaf floor dur the split in the

[00:11:29] continents uh you push the seaf Flor up progressively as well and that Progressive rise in seafloor because of

[00:11:35] like a hot air balloon hot new crust pushes things up and so as that

[00:11:40] progressed along it pushed more and more the waves went Higher and Higher and Higher and Higher still eventually they went over the top and then there’s a

[00:11:47] point where they started to cool and then they started to sink again the ocean crust kind of sank and cooled and

[00:11:53] then that Drew the water back and so there was a point where God knew what he was doing he’s making up ocean crust and

[00:11:58] we do see the whole ocean is new the whole ocean formed during the flood year uh it only goes back

[00:12:04] to what you call maybe Triassic or whatever those terms are Jurassic prej

[00:12:10] you know Jurassic is the oldest ocean crust which is really Midway through the flood and so it’s really I do believe that the the

[00:12:17] work of John bum Garder showing The Runaway subduction or cyop tonics the

[00:12:23] progressive creation of new seaf Flor at several meters per second several yards per second not like today’s movements

[00:12:30] this much per year uh during the flood year until you used up all that cold original crust and it sank into the

[00:12:36] Earth and then everything was hot and everything kind of stopped you kind of ran out of the drive was that difference

[00:12:42] in density they a little technical here but basically what happened is is the

[00:12:48] flood used up all the original crust of the earth and the process pushed the water higher and higher so the tsunami waves kept going higher and higher and

[00:12:53] higher on every count and that’s exactly the pattern we see God did do a judgment for the

[00:12:59] wickedness of mankind but it took about 150 days before all Humanity was wed out so he could have done it quicker he

[00:13:06] could have interesting done then day but the Rocks show and the B biblical text

[00:13:11] describes 150-day rise in the flood that’s what’s a rock showell based on the geophysics and the geology that I’m

[00:13:18] seeing is a perfect match between John B John bmg’s work and my work and

[00:13:24] fortunately I had the chance to talk right after him a couple times I said well he’s the guy that gave us the

[00:13:29] mechanism here’s what the results are here’s what we see on the continents and so the continents really do reflect

[00:13:35] exactly what they the biblical text says which is why would be why would be

[00:13:40] surprised I mean I’ve got the best job in the world I get to tell people God’s word is true yeah absolutely so so now

[00:13:47] you’re you’re examining um you know oil drilling points all over the world that’s what you’re examining right right

[00:13:54] and sometimes it’s it’s seismic data that goes through they issu seismic data that goes through the well so you can

[00:13:59] extend out information a little bit farther a lot of it’s based on the actual Wells or measured stereographic

[00:14:05] columns or people can walk up a mountain and they can measure the rock thicknesses physically so here so here’s

[00:14:11] my question for you then based on that that what you’re seeing and you’re you’re concluding that this is a

[00:14:16] worldwide flood whereas a a secularist would say uh no no no these are local

[00:14:22] floods spread out over millions of years um why is it that your conclusion is is

[00:14:29] matching the data and what would would we see differently if the secularist the uniformitarian geologists were correct

[00:14:36] how what what would be seen differently well they they wouldn’t be able to explain the progressive nature of the flood they try to say there’s a couple

[00:14:42] different times where I’ll show you a diagram they think there was a a high sea level flooding early in the history

[00:14:48] of the earth then it backed off and it came back in again real high I just see one sort of steady step by-step increase

[00:14:54] and that’s what the Rock reflect so they don’t have a model to explain what I’m seeing SE because it’s so new but they

[00:15:01] don’t really you know their argument would be of course well we believe in floods they believe in you know a lot of floody but they don’t believe it ever

[00:15:07] flooded everything I do have evidence to support that and secondly they don’t believe in the progression of a flood it

[00:15:14] was you know burying the Marine rocks first burying Marine Critters that’s why you find marine animals only almost

[00:15:20] exclusively in the earliest flood rocks and then you start to hit the land you start to get Co scenes and land animals

[00:15:26] all at once all over the world I mean it’s a global thing I put this out to people I said how do you explain this

[00:15:32] without a global phenomenon and it’s just crickets I mean nobody has has a reply to what the data I’m see I’ve had

[00:15:38] evolutionist read to here’s a Shameless plug I’ve had evolutionist read my book I’ve sent one to a well-known author of

[00:15:45] WR geology textbook and he you know he didn’t want to pay for it I mailed it to him and said here and he read through

[00:15:51] the whole thing and and he didn’t complain about my data at all he just said well I love your data because the data is the real rocks that are there

[00:15:58] that you know we’re the only ones doing it yeah God he said we love you D but we

[00:16:03] hate your interpretation you he really didn’t like to at the end that point to Jesus it’s all about salvation through

[00:16:09] Jesus that it was a judgment you know yeah people that once that door was shut on the ark if you weren’t at it your

[00:16:15] fate was sealed you’re going to be dead within the next 150 days and yeah same thing is true in in life you know we’re

[00:16:21] here on Earth we have to make that decision for Christ God calls us we have to accept that calling to accept to you

[00:16:28] know what Jesus did to sacrifice you know God himself coming to Earth shedding his blood and offering that

[00:16:35] salvation free to everybody and just like people had chance for salvation during the flood they could have got on

[00:16:40] the ark that door was salvation well Jesus is the door he’s even said he’s the door of Salvation today and so we

[00:16:47] all have an opportunity to for for to really to escape judgment because our

[00:16:52] sins are forgiven yeah and it certainly looks like the judgment’s not too far away so

[00:16:58] yeah it seems it’s it’s definitely closer every day I mean yeah that’s right there’s you can’t deny that literally and figuratively yeah yeah

[00:17:06] yeah and Jesus references the flood he says as it was in the day of Noah so I mean it it is the it is the evidence

[00:17:14] that what Jesus says is true and that that judgment is coming so but to me you know that it’s not just you know we

[00:17:20] don’t just have to have a blind faith we’ve got data data to back up that there was rapid plate movement you can

[00:17:26] see these cold slab deep in the earth I don’t have picture of that but in my book I show a few of those that there’s

[00:17:31] cold slabs that go all the way down to the mantle which the evolutionists can’t explain they just they just kind of

[00:17:37] amute on this whole subject they don’t bring it up and they you know they that kind of verify John bomgardner was on

[00:17:44] the right track and they also see the data that I’m showing of a progressive flood and you know it’s they gota admit

[00:17:52] that something Global was going on it’s just hard not to deny it yeah um well

[00:17:58] this would be great if you could share those slides that you have just to I’ll give it a try here let’s see what we got

[00:18:05] I’ll share these and then I’ll I’ll go to slideshow it’s going to start right

[00:18:10] from the start you’re going to see the progression of the flood so you’re going to see the six sequences I’ll explain in

[00:18:16] just the next slide and I’ll show it again at the end but you’re going to see how they pancake on top of each other just like the granden Canon like you

[00:18:23] mentioned you can see it there but I’ve extended this across the continent I’ve extended this across multiple continents

[00:18:28] and we’re also going to see the continents in the the way they are today during the flood they would have started

[00:18:34] up very close together in the first few sequences but you’re going to still see the idea of a progressive flood very

[00:18:41] little flooding early then more and more and suddenly a whole lot more and then you’ll see it the water goes down so

[00:18:47] let’s run this through and see how this goes so I I wanted to ask you also um because you know somebody who studying

[00:18:52] again secular geology and they look at the Grand Canyon they see the strata the layers there what I I’ve heard typically

[00:18:59] is a is an evolutionary or a uniformitarian explanation is that over millions of years you have different

[00:19:05] layers being created and that’s how they got there right they that’s their claim

[00:19:11] well they say yeah but all the rocks in the world they say that but you know the counterargument to that is how do you

[00:19:16] have like between the red wall Limestone which is a you know Mississippi and whatever you want to call it it’s an

[00:19:22] early flood sediment where it’s all all Marine rocks well that same Limestone goes way all the way across the United

[00:19:27] States it’s the same Limestone that makes caves in Mammoth Cave it makes caves in the Black Hills it’s the same

[00:19:33] Limestone that covers that whole area just like the defeat Sandstone the bottom of Grand Canyon it’s the same Sandstone that goes all the way up to

[00:19:39] New York and Michigan it’s the same layer and that’s only a couple hundred feet thick so how do you have these layers of sediment that are just a few

[00:19:45] hundred feet thick that go all the way across essentially the whole 48 states and so that’s and so what they

[00:19:52] say they would say oh well there was a flood that covered the entire United States is that what their claim would no they actually wouldn’t go that far they

[00:19:58] they kind of say it progressed along over millions of years you had like a beach that came in and kept progressing along getting deeper and deeper and

[00:20:04] deeper as the water Rose and the water went back down of course over millions of years but you look at the layers you

[00:20:10] look at the red wall you look at what’s below up you see there’s supposed to be 160 million years of time between the

[00:20:16] red wall and the MUA of limestone below it and every way you look in Grand Canyon just like all the layers you can

[00:20:22] do this other layers are supposed to be a million years 10 million years here and there they’re perfectly flat there’s no evidence of

[00:20:28] major erosional events Grand Cane itself is supposed to have been formed now they think in about six million years why

[00:20:34] aren’t there in 160 million years of time why aren’t there some Grand Canyons

[00:20:40] cutting into this layer why is it just perfectly flat Limestone on perfectly flat Limestone and you see that again

[00:20:46] the Coco Sandstone sitting right on top of this hermit Shale 100 you know supposed to be about a million years of

[00:20:51] time or more there as well and that’s the pattern you see all over the world right you see Rock layers on Rock layers

[00:20:56] there’s no evidence of time missing in between yeah there’s no erosion between yeah very little erosion at all if

[00:21:02] anything it’s just you know how do they and you’ll see the pancaking in this little first little video clip you just

[00:21:08] kind of ping it up each other and to me there’s no time in between yet evolutionist say there’s millions of

[00:21:14] years between each one of these layers but the evidence is not there that’s what you see in Grand Canyon that’s what

[00:21:21] these cores show that not just there it extends across the country so let me run through this and I’ll give you a little

[00:21:27] bit of a a little bit of a sh so watch carefully here this is the sock the first sequence and then the next layer

[00:21:33] on top of that then the next layer on top of that and then we start to really expand that’s when you flood the land

[00:21:39] and then you high point of the flood and then you have the receding phase and so if you go through all that you I could

[00:21:45] we’ll show it again at the end but I have the world the way it is today and that it should all be kind of together

[00:21:51] early on so would that um Dr Clary would that what I just what we just watched

[00:21:57] there would that have been uh including the continents actually breaking apart

[00:22:02] at the same time if if it was like in real time we were you know high above the earth watching this happen yeah I

[00:22:07] just left I just left them all in in their position of where they are today so in reality during the during that

[00:22:13] first sequence don’t worry about the names like the sock you know that they should have been really close together and slowly moved apart you know early on

[00:22:20] they didn’t move too much but then they really started moving when you made the whole new ocean crust was really about the point where you really start to

[00:22:25] flood the land and so that on the and this chart we call the mega sequence I look at them as chapters of the flood

[00:22:32] and you kind of lump together some of these traditional geologic names but the evolutionists believe in the chart that’s on the left side where they see

[00:22:38] there’s a big that little curve in the middle is supposed to show sea level so when it goes to the left it’s supposed

[00:22:44] to go higher so down here one and two and three it’s supposed to be really high and then it goes down and four so

[00:22:51] that kind of curve in the middle and then it goes back up again in five and six and but what we really see is what I

[00:22:57] show on the other side on the right hand side you see kind of a flood that just progresses upward starting in the so

[00:23:02] typic you know those verse one two and three and then goes really high in four and then reaches the peak in five and

[00:23:09] then goes down and so I’ve tied this into the the days of the flood that you know around the end of the Cretaceous

[00:23:14] that Peak that’s the day 150 of the flood year that’s kind of described in my book

[00:23:20] a little bit better so that’s where the Bible where the Bible says um that the mountains are covered to a depth of 20

[00:23:26] feet uh uh right and you didn’t have most of your mountains until after the flood was starting to recede so most of

[00:23:33] the mountains of the world all formed and folded up flood rocks like the Rockies and the Andes and the Himalayas

[00:23:39] almost all those mountain ranges except for the URS and the Appalachians which formed a little bit earlier in the flood year most mountain ranges all pop up at

[00:23:46] the end all at the same time which again is another mystery how can 80% of the world’s mountains all form at the same

[00:23:51] time and a lot of it’s because of the you know the kind of reaching equilibrium again after the flood and

[00:23:57] all that turmoil going on the earth things are just popping up all over and so you see all this rapid movement even

[00:24:03] before humans got off the ark and before the animals got off the ark all this kind of thousands of feet of uplift of those mountains while they were still on

[00:24:09] the ark and then they got off and they were able to get places and you know most of the movement it was done at that

[00:24:15] point but you see the contrast between what they say on the left side and what I see on the right side mine follows the

[00:24:21] data there is this just a theoretical model they think there’s a big high point of the flood I presented this at a

[00:24:26] geology conference that a secular geology conference I said where’s the evidence of this High sea level

[00:24:32] supposedly in the cambian OR divis Stan there one two and three numbers when you look at the Rocks you don’t see that so

[00:24:37] let’s move along and I’ll show you what I mean so here’s the sock the coverage of the sock Mega sequence you can see the dots are my data points ignore

[00:24:44] Australia it’s not done just got the data compiled but it’s not in the maps but areas in blue show

[00:24:50] where those rocks are today so there’s been erosion like uplifts and things mountains but that’s really where the

[00:24:56] rocks of this earliest sequence today so this would represent the cambian explosion and some of the Arian racks

[00:25:03] the earliest flood sediments with Marine Critters so this is where the waters covered the Earth First this is where

[00:25:08] the water covered these areas first and maybe a little bit more but you see just North Africa’s covered you see most the

[00:25:14] United States is covered except for a strip down the middle but Canada Brazil southern Africa you know the central

[00:25:20] part of Europe and Asia high and dry they won’t even be flooded yet because we see that same pattern in the next sequence so let me ask you again here

[00:25:28] just so to make sure I understand what I’m looking at so how do you know that these are the areas that were covered

[00:25:36] first what what is the D where is the evidence that these are the areas that were covered first well these would be

[00:25:41] the rocks that contain the same Marine fossils only were defined as you know camb and or or divian the lower because

[00:25:48] when you learn about this in like a secular science classroom they don’t make a distinction and they just say oh

[00:25:54] yeah the all the the Cambrian it’s the impression is it’s all over the

[00:25:59] world but you’re saying no no these are these are very specific areas it’s only here this is it you can go to India you

[00:26:06] won’t find it you can go to Southern Africa you won’t find it it never flooded those areas I don’t believe you

[00:26:11] know there has been erosion so it looks a little wormy there’s some holes and stuff in places because they Himalayas came up and eroded a lot away but you

[00:26:18] see the same patterns you notice across Europe and North America and the next one I move ahead so you go to the next

[00:26:23] one you see it’s almost the same area across Europe go back I can go back one and forward again really quick back two but

[00:26:32] you see it’s North Africa it’s North Africa the next sequence on top of it

[00:26:37] Africa again the third sequence after that now you start to see a little more flooding up especially north of Europe

[00:26:42] but there really isn’t much difference in those first three sequences that’s why they’re all Marine fossils you’re only flooding shallow Seas I believe

[00:26:48] that were covering much of the United States and parts of Europe you know parts of North Africa those are areas

[00:26:54] where we have a lot of oil today but these are areas that were flooding first because they were the lowest elevation

[00:27:00] maybe these huge shallow Seas we don’t really know what God created the original world like but apparently there

[00:27:06] was this huge shallow sea so all you find in Michigan Ohio Indiana where I grew up in Michigan is just Marine

[00:27:12] fossils because I believe that was you repetitively kept burying things with these tsunami waves but you weren’t

[00:27:17] really flooding too high you’re just flooding the shallow Seas so that’s why these first three I’ll go through them again you start here they’re the same

[00:27:25] areas pretty much here here in here so all the water is sinking into the

[00:27:30] filling the areas that are of the lower elevation areas that are blue and the green and the brighter colors are thickest but that’s not as important at

[00:27:37] this point but I notice Africa is still high and dry Canada most of is still high and dry uh part of eastern most or

[00:27:44] Western most Siberia is still high and dry Norway Scandinavia is still high and dry Greenland high and dry and again

[00:27:50] this is the data so you move up to the next sequence and here all of a sudden things that to change and I guess this

[00:27:55] is day 40 to 90 because the Bible talks about the archit to float on day 40 and now you see more coverage all over the

[00:28:03] world you see more coming in across Africa to the South and again it’s warmy because there’s a lot of erosion since

[00:28:09] the flood but you can see the Degen pattern is suddenly there’s a lot more coverage it doubles the coverage in

[00:28:14] terms of surface area it over doubles or triples the thickness and volume at this point and this is where we see all over

[00:28:21] the world the first major Co and the first significant numbers of land

[00:28:26] animals mixed with rain animals all at the same time there before this there’s almost no Lan animals almost no coal and

[00:28:33] that would that be because because um most of the animals were able to escape the initial Waters coming up I think

[00:28:39] only I think early on it was just flooding the shallow seeds it wasn’t really affecting the drier land and

[00:28:45] that’s maybe why the Bible talks about 40 days of rain early doesn’t talk so much about flooding early but the flood

[00:28:51] progress the process the flood process progress because now you have to really make seaf Flor according to John bum the

[00:28:57] and you start to make a whole new ocean crust starting at this sequence the oldest ocean crust goes back to this

[00:29:02] sequence and then this would be because um and correct me if I’m wrong but

[00:29:08] because mostly coal Coal seams are because of plants being crushed and buried is that correct that’s correct so

[00:29:15] now you’re flooding you’re starting to rip away the plants on the land just like tsunamis do and you’re burying

[00:29:21] those plants in Mass these huge mass and we look at cols they’re flat top and bottom there’s no of roots coming

[00:29:28] through there’s no evidence those are swamps I’m finding coal beds hundreds of miles offshore in the South China Sea

[00:29:34] I’m finding Co beds off shore off while in Australia I’m finding Co beds that oil wells drill into the Arctic Ocean

[00:29:42] north of Siberia and there’s no evidence that these areas they now some of them are 3,000 feet of water or 3,000 meters

[00:29:48] of water there’s no evidence these areas were ever dry land so it doesn’t fit The evolutionary mile at all these things

[00:29:54] were washed off as though most of that was from the flood was rece seting yeah push things way way out there we’re

[00:30:00] finding dinosaurs 70 miles offshore Norway we’re finding all these animals and plants that shouldn’t be in these

[00:30:05] locations even around Iceland there’s plants trapped in between the lava flows they can see the fossils between some of

[00:30:11] the lavas that didn’t totally destroy them now uh so along those same lines um

[00:30:17] you know I’ve heard that they find in in um I don’t know if it’s both the North and South Poles but in the very very

[00:30:24] cold parts of the world they actually do find uh vegetation and other things that

[00:30:29] we wouldn’t typically think of being there is that correct well in in the South Pole because you have land there

[00:30:34] the North Pole is just ocean crust but yeah but you’re correct this in Antarctica five or six years ago they

[00:30:40] found trees fossilized trees that still had original proteins in them and again just like dinosaurs are finding original

[00:30:47] proteins and dinosaur bones are finding trees that in in Arctica they didn’t live there they moved down there during the flood year Antarctica shifted to the

[00:30:54] South we believe when you put Pangia back together Antarctica would have been about maybe where Australia is today and

[00:31:01] it would have been a more temperate climate and so you could grow these trees but as during the flood year of course the Antarctica slid to the South

[00:31:08] and then they during the Ice Age they froze over but underneath there’re still finding evidence that there was plants

[00:31:13] living in these same thing is true in Alaska underneath the and in Greenland underneath Greenland I think that’s

[00:31:18] you’re referring to they find plants that were growing in green before the ice built right after the flood ended

[00:31:24] and so things are very warm after the flood made a whole new seafloor so the ocean is very very hot compared to what

[00:31:31] it is today and that caused a lot of evaporation caused a lot of snowfall because of the volcanoes that were

[00:31:36] erupting and peaking at the right time you know God’s timing is perfect so he brought on the Ice Age After the flood

[00:31:43] because of the flood and making the new seaf Flor heated the water also there were no deserts you know Egypt began its

[00:31:49] civilization not in a desert it was all well watered just like the Book of Job talks about you know water and snow more

[00:31:55] than any other book of the Bible now that’s not something I’ve heard before that that Egypt was well watered

[00:32:01] before when the civilization started so you’re talking After the flood waters have receded that the that the Earth

[00:32:07] would still the deserts were not uh right during the Ice Age yeah there’s that we have actually put a few articles

[00:32:13] out the even the evolutionists see the evidence during the Ice Age of of the Sahara Desert wasn’t there there was

[00:32:18] rivers and lots of water flow over thousands several thousand years of

[00:32:24] course it all dried out an area 30 degrees north and south of the became these big deserts but initially these

[00:32:29] were well watered areas a little cooler than now as well but uh eventually they

[00:32:35] you know the Earth kind of went through all this a lot of cycles and kind of settled out and these areas became

[00:32:40] deserts and that’s when people had to rely more on the river you know but early on why would you start a civilization in a desert yeah about

[00:32:47] think about the conditions of the flood it’s it’s completely different and even Israel was you know land flowing with milk and honey even the time of Moses

[00:32:54] which was you know 1500 years or so after the flood so it’s still better water than it is today but anyway how

[00:33:01] many oh go ahead I’m sorry how many how many days uh passed so we go from The Fountains of the deep uh bursting forth

[00:33:07] all on one day how many days would it have been until the the uh Ice Age started see that’s hard to say it might

[00:33:15] have taken years for it to really begin what you call an Ice Age it might have taken even a hundred years after the

[00:33:20] flood so really start building up significant amounts of ice and so if you want to call that the ice AG you started

[00:33:27] getting you know thousands of feet of ice it might have taken a 100 years Mike or and others have estimated that maybe

[00:33:33] 200 years at the most and it might have only lasted five or 700 years you know once the oceans cooled down and stopped

[00:33:39] evaporating so much and and the volcanoes stopped erupting so much it was blacking sunlight to cool the Earth

[00:33:45] then you would have everything would have started warming up uh and you lost your ice except for the anarctica is

[00:33:51] still there to remind us and Greenland’s still there to remind us but the rest of the ice melted up so we’ve already had

[00:33:56] you know global warming and CEO has already risen 350 ft but what was

[00:34:02] important about the Ice Age After the flood was you had to lower a sea level so you could have the animals walk from

[00:34:07] the ark to every continent and the only one they would had to swim a little bit to was was was Australia which you could

[00:34:13] walk across Siberia right to North America it’s dry land the water was warm it’s going to be a little microclimate

[00:34:20] so you would have ice right along the oceans you we see Barefoot human footprints on Islands offshore Canada

[00:34:27] during the Ice Age it was warming enough they were walking barefoot that’s one of the big questions people have uh anytime

[00:34:32] I I get into discussions is uh people say how did the animals get from the ark

[00:34:38] to all the different continents so it is that that uh the ice basically

[00:34:44] because lower okay you had much lower uh sea levels yeah so you could walk across you know the Siberia to Alaska you you

[00:34:51] can walk across you know pretty much anywhere down to South America there was more land if you look up go to Google

[00:34:57] look up you know maximum the map of the maximum droping sea level during the Ice Age you’ll see a pretty good map you can

[00:35:03] walk from Europe Continental Europe right across to Ireland wow just going to walk right across and there’s

[00:35:09] civilizations that are buried under the water they’re finding evidence of of stone you know footings basically for

[00:35:15] houses under the ocean today in the North Sea because they were dry land years I was just reading that uh they’ve

[00:35:21] off the coast of Japan they’ found an entire like City underwater like a yeah

[00:35:26] Japanese Atlantis yeah if you dropped sea level 350 ft or so like it did you know God had a plan I mean he the flood

[00:35:33] was almost like dominoes once it got going he knew what the end result was going to be and he knew this is going to do this this is going to do this this

[00:35:39] going to bring in an ice agent and humans were disobeying they were going to miss those land bridges because they were sticking around in the Middle East

[00:35:45] and so God had to kind of get in there and said let’s confound their languages he you know the Trinity said yeah they

[00:35:51] finally spread out and it might have taken several hundred years to get across Asia you know people still moving moving and then eventually they followed

[00:35:58] the animals across but within you know maybe 700 years after the flood sea level came back up sealed off those

[00:36:05] areas so North America we have to use boats to get over there but the animals are there because of the flood the way

[00:36:11] the flood progressed and ended caused a really hot ocean crust uh to heat the

[00:36:17] water caused all the evaporation which came down as snow in the north you know the northern

[00:36:23] most regions so it wasn’t necessarily you know ice covered in the Middle East of course but it was Rainier and wetter

[00:36:29] and probably cooler at the time but here this is this is the important point this

[00:36:34] absera or absera Mega sequence which I think is day 40 to day 90 or so it’s

[00:36:40] because the ark is now floating after day 40 the Bible talks about and know you now you know obviously are flooding

[00:36:46] the land then at theb so here we see all those colam show up all the world at the same time land animals show up all the

[00:36:53] world and you see a lot more flooding compared to what we saw if you go back one see that much flooding in Africa I

[00:36:58] sudden a lot more and so this again doubles and sometimes triples the surface coverage is there today even

[00:37:05] after all the erosion if during the Ice Age Etc afterwards then if you progress along to the high point of the flood I

[00:37:11] believe this is the high point when you reach day 150 and if you look up in Canada Way up there’s a couple little

[00:37:17] blue dots you scoop in really close hopefully you can see that yeah I see that yeah

[00:37:22] this is the maximum coverage globally and so the detractor say well it doesn’t flood everything I’m like well no it did

[00:37:31] but it was going across so fast it didn’t leave much behind and the Bible tells us why it says that went 15 cubits

[00:37:38] over the highest hills so southern Africa and Canada and Brazil and Ukraine

[00:37:43] and Norway was the highest hills how much sediment can you leave if the water is only 23 to 25 foot high you can’t

[00:37:49] leave a lot of sediment and so you kind of leave little remnants here and there I call it the bathtub ring up in Canada

[00:37:55] there’s no way to get those little blue dots there unless they came in from the side and so they had to have flooded more of that there had to be more

[00:38:01] flooding to get those little remnants out there that we still see but the Bible tells us why it’s there’s not a

[00:38:06] lot it’s because it didn’t flood really high but it was zipping across real fast like tsunami waves do even in shallow

[00:38:12] water they still maybe might have been going 60 miles an hour wow this totally this totally changes my perspective I

[00:38:18] mean this is amazing um it really the the the Insight you get from the

[00:38:24] research you’re doing is really interesting I love I love following data I mean data

[00:38:30] it tells you so much I’m like huh then you go back to the Bible and you realize okay that all that explains you know you know that God’s word is our only truth

[00:38:37] we have but the rocks are real you the is real the rocks cry out right rocks do

[00:38:43] cry out and and I just feel so blessed that you know I get to be the one to to

[00:38:48] show this out there to me I don’t consider it work at all I don’t I don’t work at icr I get to play at icr every

[00:38:55] day and you know progress along I wish I could have done this quicker but we have other we have to write a lot and we speak a

[00:39:01] lot what we found but we’re blessed like you that have the um experience and the

[00:39:08] uh the education to be able to look at this data and actually interpret it you know it’s pretty cool and some of it I’m

[00:39:14] still trying to soak it in my head it’s just like there’s so much information there that we haven’t some of it we

[00:39:19] haven’t even hardly opened up the you know the can and looked into it so when we get everything done we’re going to go

[00:39:24] back and put the world back the way we think it progressed along from a very tight bit to as it moved along and

[00:39:29] really take a look at why we see thick areas and thin areas and and we’re even

[00:39:34] keeping track of some of the seds Before the Flood rocks came in that might have been part of the earliest flood maybe part of The Fountains of the deep

[00:39:41] there’s a lot of Precambrian sediments in Australia but every continent has

[00:39:46] some and so that’s something I didn’t show but there’s some things I need to go back and look at there’s there’s a lot of things to try to glean out of

[00:39:53] this data that I’m just beginning to show yeah I’m sure people are going to have all kinds of incredible insights

[00:39:59] over time um and just to clarify again for our listeners for those of you listening um uh what you’re looking at

[00:40:05] here is the progressive flooding of the earth based on the amount of sediment

[00:40:11] laid down over time that is a sediment laid down on top of sediment and what

[00:40:17] you’re looking at right now is the peak level of the flood and it looks like you

[00:40:23] know based on this you know don’t misinterpret this this is not saying that these parts of the world didn’t flood it’s simply saying that because of

[00:40:31] uh the rapid flooding there was no ability to set sediment down in these

[00:40:37] particular areas wasn’t wasn’t very deep in the highest hills either so a question here um so when you look at

[00:40:45] when you’re looking at these on your dat data points basically there’s a strata

[00:40:50] layer that’s just not there it’s it’s doesn’t exist is that right what what sometimes that happens you don’t always

[00:40:56] get all the sequences like Grand Canyon missing the second sequence you’ve got the first sequence then you jump to the third sequence and there’s you know it

[00:41:02] just didn’t flood the waves didn’t come in and C flood that area there are locations in the world like in China

[00:41:08] there’s a spot there’s one in Syria there’s one in North America there’s one in Australia or a couple that shows all

[00:41:14] the six sequences and so there is places where you see pretty much a complete record uh people can argue you’re

[00:41:20] missing something here or there but you’ve got all these chapters of the flood are all there most places you

[00:41:26] don’t most places you’re missing one or two in the highest areas of course you may not have anything there because

[00:41:31] there’s it was eroded away what a little what a little bit was youed but this what’s significant about the the zi as

[00:41:37] we call it is is it is the maximum surface coverage is there still today even after all the erosion you know

[00:41:44] since this happened and it’s also the maximum thickness the maximum volume so

[00:41:49] I’ll show you a couple graphs at the end they show the volume that kind of show the the idea of the progressive flood but here this will be the high point I

[00:41:54] think and then this is day 150 and Beyond so you see a lot more shift offshore those green areas and yellow

[00:42:00] areas as thick areas so you look by India you see the Bay of Bengal is really green and lit up so so so um

[00:42:07] explain this again as far as um because I think I may have missed this but okay the the shading um what is the shading

[00:42:14] exactly the shading is showing you know the color at all shows the extent of it

[00:42:19] that there that this particular sequence is there today yeah and there’s was

[00:42:24] obviously moxyo Dots here and there just like the last one but the brighter the color the green colors and I usually

[00:42:31] have a scale in my book that shows the amount of how many kilometers thick it is some of these are multiple kilometers

[00:42:37] or miles thick so is the dark blue the thinnest dark blue is the thinnest and

[00:42:43] then okay and then it goes to blue and then to to green and greens and the yellows

[00:42:49] and the oranges those are the thickest like the Gulf of Mexico there’s 20 30,000 feet of sediment out there that

[00:42:54] washed off the kind of and just dumped and that’s where we find all our oil in the Gulf for the most part same thing off the Amazon you see it off all around

[00:43:01] the South China Sea you see it all around southeast Asia you see it off the Nigro Delta you see a big kind of a

[00:43:07] light green blob coming off there if they drill further out you’d probably get even more now you you um

[00:43:14] nobody else has has um done this worldwide assessment like this nobody’s

[00:43:20] done this no only only you know iccr’s allowing me to do this because they’re paying me a salary so this is the to my

[00:43:26] knowledge the only data like this in the world and it is I would say at least 80%

[00:43:32] repeatable because someone else could go out there and do the same thing and I’ve gone to conferences and people in oil

[00:43:38] and gas say oh yeah that’s what we see over here that’s what we see over here because I’m using thew Wells that they

[00:43:43] yeah they brag about but uh you know there are some places where it doesn’t they don’t always Dr all the way to

[00:43:48] crust and so like in Egypt they’ll stop they hit the pay Zone and they don’t drill deeper and so I have to kind of

[00:43:54] guesstimate you know best work in the areas around it as best I can so I’m there’s a little bit of interpretation

[00:44:00] but for the most part I would say it’s 80% Rock salad pardon the pun

[00:44:05] that’s so the other question I have um Dr Clary is um are there for secular

[00:44:11] geologists or just people out in the public realm or whatever it might be in business or in oil or whatever is this

[00:44:18] is this information um useful to people uh outside of exploring the evidence for

[00:44:24] the flood is this stuff that people are going to like wow I I I want some of this information well I think the oil

[00:44:29] and gas companies like it when I go to the conferences when I couple first conference or two we went to the oil and

[00:44:35] gas companies but they they cost a lot of money to go to the conference because normally their companies pay for it like

[00:44:41] when I used to work for Chevron so they cost a lot more money so I started going to more academic uh conferences in geology the

[00:44:48] cular conferences but we’d show one continent at a time and usually you get quite a bit of Interest people because

[00:44:54] you don’t get to look at the big picture people want to see what the big picture is and as I mentioned earlier they don’t let you do that the oil and gas company

[00:45:00] says here’s your little Basin you work find some prospects for oil you know work this little area offshore this area

[00:45:06] onshore whatever you don’t get to look at the big picture and as a geologist you like to kind of get back and look

[00:45:11] and say okay what’s what am I seeing across this continent to look for Trends it’s always looking at patterns and

[00:45:16] Trends and so there’s there’s value in again a lot of this I’m still trying to digest myself it’s probably the rest of

[00:45:23] my career I’ll be trying to sort through once I get the data gather Maps made there’s always going to be more insights that yeah God will hope you know

[00:45:29] hopefully give me enough wisdom to to to sort it out I was in my book I talk about the last chapter I tell people

[00:45:35] read chapter 20 in my book first because it’s called it all makes sense you know I was running when I was running before

[00:45:41] I got arthus in my knee I was out running here in Dallas and I was like it just kind of hit me all of a sudden like

[00:45:46] this all makes sense sea Flor went up this did this all these things all kind of like the whole domino thing that God

[00:45:52] Started With The Fountains of the deep bursting miraculously bursting the fountain the Deep caused the plates to start to move and caused the plate you

[00:45:59] know the whole rapid plate movement slowly began and continued to progressed and then flooding the whole Earth in 150

[00:46:07] days and then you know they stayed on the ark for over until three day 371 but

[00:46:12] the Earth was dry it says in Genesis 8:13 and 8:14 even before they got off

[00:46:18] so the water had drained off because you had have time for the vegetation to grow because why get off the ark if there’s

[00:46:23] no food and so the animals and God had them all stay on the AR control there was just enough grass for the animals to

[00:46:29] get off and eat or whatever vegetation was so it was about 60 or so days of

[00:46:34] they kind of just had to wait and stay hooked all the food was on the ark and there was just dirt you know day 3:14

[00:46:44] until day 371 guy finally said you can open the doors and let them out but I mean phal time in that I see that God

[00:46:50] has is just amazing I mean say and I’m getting this much of God’s Insight you know this much wisdom

[00:46:56] yeah but it’s just like it’s almost mindblowing sometimes to see how it all

[00:47:01] and how it all kind of makes sense and it is it’s amazing and it uh and you’re getting down to nitty-gritty stuff I

[00:47:08] mean you’re you’re quoting you know 371 days that’s that’s incredible that um

[00:47:13] we’re able to you know put this puzzle piece back all the puzzle pieces back together and then like you said see the

[00:47:19] whole picture like this um is this just gonna I just gonna move along what you’re talking yeah yeah go ahead no

[00:47:25] just you keep talking I just moved it along what I was going to say was um you know there are a lot of weird formations

[00:47:31] I have students that sometimes will will be traveling cross country or they’ll be in another part of the world and and my

[00:47:37] they’re alumni that have graduated from from school and and they’ll take photos of really strange geologic features and

[00:47:45] they’ll send it to me and they’ll say hey Mr Conover worldwide flood you know and um and I’ll be like whoa that is

[00:47:51] wild uh so does does the research you’re doing help to explain some of the unusual geologic features we see around

[00:47:59] the world I think it does I mean because you can put them in context you know I can go back and look at the columns near

[00:48:04] there that area and I kind of see where those rocks fall and then it makes a little more sense but you do see a lot of weird things like there’s a lot of

[00:48:10] evidence of sediment that was still soft that was being deposited and and buried so quickly that the sediment almost

[00:48:17] squirted up and made these really cool folds we just saw some over by Rock Springs Wyoming this last summer when IC

[00:48:23] was out in a little sample collecting but some research we’re doing and we looked at these what’s called Soft

[00:48:29] sediment deoration really wild folds in between the layers you know layers are flat and then all of a sudden you get

[00:48:35] these really wild folds in this one layer and so some of that is definitely had to be folded while it was still soft

[00:48:40] and you see that even these big folds in the mountains all these really tight folds in these rocks they had to fold

[00:48:46] them while they were still soft and it’s you know they this was fresh after the flood was over that’s when the mountains Rose and they still were packed down so

[00:48:55] they some of them fractured and broke but overall they’re able to fold really tightly because they were still soft today you try to fold rocks they just

[00:49:01] shatter yeah you can’t fold rocks but you can fold pack down wet sediment and

[00:49:07] that’s more even more evidence that it all had to happen pretty rapidly because like you said before there’s no erosion

[00:49:12] in those folds between a flat layer a bottom layer and yet you’ve got these clear folds where if there was erosion

[00:49:18] they would be eroded they that that you wouldn’t have such a clear nice yeah there’s even folds in Grand Canyon that

[00:49:25] by my friend and colleague Andrew snellings got a chance to sample and he show the thin sections and rocks that

[00:49:30] there’s no evidence of these rocks breaking at all they just they were still wet as if they just you would get the exact same thing if you took wet

[00:49:37] sand and kind of folded in which gives you exactly what we see but this is this is kind of a summary this is for people

[00:49:43] that love bar graphs this is the six sequences as you go along by continent and you can see the the first one over

[00:49:50] there in green on the the left side is the sock sequencers chapter one where you came along and I believe the yellow

[00:49:56] is the receding phase the brown is the peak and it’s because Africa really shows it Europe flooded a little bit

[00:50:02] earlier flooded in the purple which is the obser because I think a lot of Europe was a wasn’t really high ground

[00:50:08] it was sort of the mid-range it was like a swampy lowland area whereas most of the continents you had Upland areas like

[00:50:15] Canada Brazil and even India and sub southern Africa so when you add it all

[00:50:21] up you see that kind of volume at the end I believe that’s Asia I think this is the final one after five continents

[00:50:27] right here so you can see at the bottom hopefully the different sequences you see that actually the starts out the

[00:50:33] first three are almost all the same around 5% of the volume of these six

[00:50:38] sequences is contained in those first three sequences very very little flooding and those are all Marine

[00:50:43] fossils and the progression of those you look on the maps they could do the surface area as well but I didn’t want

[00:50:48] to be lab to the point you see that’s the minimum coverage so all three of those show minimum flooding same areas

[00:50:55] over and over because you’re flying the same shallow Seas just a little bit higher each time and then you get to the

[00:51:00] obser the purple one there in the middle that’s when you see what I think is day 40 and Beyond because now you’re

[00:51:05] flooding you see the land animals show up in great numbers you see coal seam show up in great numbers and that

[00:51:11] continues throughout the rest of the flood but before that there’s almost no l animals and almost no coal and so to

[00:51:17] me that you’re hitting that the waves are now going high enough to flood the dry land the pre- flood dry land all

[00:51:22] over the world at the same time now that’s that’s the thing it’s a same pattern the same essential pattern of

[00:51:28] the rocks on every continent you know even though Europe fled a little bit earlier because it was I don’t think it has much High Ground didn’t have the

[00:51:34] highest hills in Europe and the pre flood as you saw in other continents but nonetheless when you add them all up

[00:51:40] this is the combined total of five continents and I’m seeing a very similar pattern in Australia as well but I’m

[00:51:47] kind of anxious to get that in there and that pattern that pattern that you’re seeing that is the uh is that the

[00:51:54] strongest evidence that this is worldwide and not just localized fls because that’s the secularist view

[00:52:00] millions of years localized fls all over the world if you go back and you look at you know these Maps you see the same

[00:52:05] pattern on every continent you know you see the progression of the flood starting out here minimal flooding in the earliest you know the camb or

[00:52:13] divition laders you see the same areas being flooded again and I’ll show that that little diagram at the end where he Stacks them over on top that little

[00:52:19] Caron but it’s it’s accurate and so here you see that the same areas for the first three and all of a sudden boom is

[00:52:25] a lot more this is that purple area where you start to see Co seams then you say boom here’s the maximum and then you

[00:52:31] see that the maximum isn’t much different than receding phase going down but here you suddenly see everything shifting offshore in the Gulf of Mexico

[00:52:38] at the bottom of this sequence there’s this huge sand that’s 200 miles offshore that’s over a th foot thick that they

[00:52:45] have no explanation for because it’s so far offshore my chief geologist at Chevron said well you we wouldn’t let

[00:52:50] you look that far out there because we didn’t think it was any sand he goes but we were wrong but he never said that when he was my boss you know they know

[00:52:57] everything but yeah they wouldn’t even let us look out there because there’s to this day that’s been discovered 20 years ago now there’s no explanation for why

[00:53:05] you get this What’s called the Whopper sand you know go to icr.org and look up Whopper sand and you’ll see a couple

[00:53:11] articles I wrote about it how there’s no explanation for how you get over a thousand foot almost 2,000 foot thick

[00:53:17] sand in the middle of the deepest part of the Gulf of Mexico right at the base of this receding phase where I think the

[00:53:22] water shifted direction from advancing to go on off and see a real high energy water rushing off the continents and

[00:53:29] dumping the sand deep in the Gulf of Mexico as deep as you can go and after that it’s all clay they were expecting

[00:53:34] to find a few feet of sand and mostly clay but they found a Whopper sand they just to this day they they can’t believe

[00:53:40] it but you know they don’t really care because they found 15 billion barrels of oil in it yeah you find 15 billion

[00:53:47] barrels of oil in it you don’t care how it got there but they don’t even consider a flood and that’s not and that is and that is crushed those are crushed

[00:53:54] animals oil is from crushed animals is that right it’s mostly from Marine algae and Plankton from the Marine okay Marine

[00:54:01] realm and I have a whole talk on that as well but you know they try to tell me the oil is millions of years old and whing I’m like it can’t be old it’s

[00:54:07] original organic tissue it’s just like the dinosaur soft tissue oil can’t be millions of years old it’s

[00:54:14] Alles oil oil oil when you’re pumping gas even though you complain about the price that’s a creation moment because

[00:54:20] you’re putting in gasoline refined from you know dead Marine plank that God

[00:54:25] provided for you into these shs all over the world and they got buried deep the oil cooked out of those shs collected in

[00:54:32] these traps that we can drill into and find just like the coal scams he provided the coal for our resources

[00:54:39] knowing that we would need that today yeah last hundred and so years knowing that we need oil and gas

[00:54:46] today it’s providential that got land all these things of course we need to burn it clean you know you can’t just

[00:54:52] burn coal like we did in the 19th century everything becomes covered in soot and the Chinese are still doing that so we know around Zoom I’m not

[00:54:59] afraid to say it Chinese are still burning coal rampantly and you know they’re polluting their their country and the world and you know if these

[00:55:07] people are really interested in global warming and climate change really really cared they’ be saying you got to stop

[00:55:13] too but you know they just ship everything over to China and say here you burn it you know we’re GNA keep our

[00:55:19] area clean but it’s the you know so it’s you it’s a little bit of politics mixed

[00:55:24] in them I apologize for that for the well no it’s okay I mean it’s the reality is is the word of God speaks to

[00:55:29] all issues right we’re called to be stewards of the world so but we’re supposed to be good stewards you I’m an

[00:55:36] I’m an environmentalist you know I I really do not like pollution I think we polluted way too much I worked in

[00:55:41] groundwater cleanup when I was going to school studied all that in graduate

[00:55:46] school and there’s so much pollution out there that we need to try to clean up but least we stopped polluting so much

[00:55:53] but other places still are to me that’s that’s more of a problem than CO2 will ever be absolutely to me you really do see

[00:56:00] the progression of this flood I mean it goes right along and you add them up again here’s what you see this is the world total and the same thing is true

[00:56:07] of the surface area that’s covered I could have shown the same graph it’s almost identical to how much surface

[00:56:13] area is covered early versus later and you see it all peaks in that brown one thei you know they’re almost the same

[00:56:19] yeah it’s really undeniable I mean the worldwide flood based on the data that you’re sharing is is pretty much undeniable there’s no other explanation

[00:56:26] and and that’s why I show that graph sideways I turn it sideways you see the progressive flood just kind of each

[00:56:31] sequence kind of comes in a series of tsunami waves hundreds and hundreds of them but it kepts building building building over 150 days and peaks in that

[00:56:38] Zoni right about the end of the Cretaceous now some of my cages out there in the creation World they’ll say the flood was over at that point I don’t

[00:56:44] believe it was I think the data really showed that this was just the high point of the flood and no offense to my my

[00:56:50] friends and colleagues there there are some disagreements in the creation science community on some it’s okay you

[00:56:55] know it’s kind of healthy for science to keep keep sh having to figure out okay why do I say this why do I believe this but I think the data really supports

[00:57:02] that there’s a a year-long progressive flood that’s what the Rocks show that’s

[00:57:08] what the sea FL was creating according to John BM Gardner you know as you made more seafloor you pushed more of the

[00:57:13] ocean crust up and so early on you weren’t making a lot of sea Flor fountains burst open they’re shooting

[00:57:18] out water they’re shooting out lava you there is are the Miracles there and then and any go back if we go back one more

[00:57:24] step is the only planet in our solar system that has tanic plates so I think it’s because God broke

[00:57:30] them all open you The Fountains of the deep that first day of the flood he miraculously burst all these cracks over

[00:57:36] the Earth and then that caused some of these plates to actually be able to sink because there higher density at the

[00:57:41] surface and cold and they sank into the Earth and once you used up all that ocean crust like a conveyor belt and

[00:57:47] everything kind of stopped and that by then the flood was at its end and so you the kind has moved apart there stopped

[00:57:54] today almost you know they’re only moving this much PR year because it wasn’t that long ago you know these big 60 M thick plates they’re 60 miles thick

[00:58:01] they’re moving around at a pretty good pace and then just to stop them totally is difficult to do because everything’s

[00:58:07] kind of sliding around like a Rubik’s Cube you know kind of thing it just kind of turn one it all kind of affects the

[00:58:13] rest of it but that’s amazing well we’re we’re just we’re running out of time

[00:58:18] here but uh we run through this one more time here’s here’s the pattern again we see there’s the first and the second on top of it and the third one on top of

[00:58:24] that and then all of a sudden boom it really floods and then you see the maximum flooding then you see it going

[00:58:30] down and so to me it’s it’s a nice little summary to show that at the end again but oh yeah that is phenomenal

[00:58:36] good so to me you know once you put these kinds back together and move them during the flood year we have a globe at

[00:58:42] our Discovery Center here in Dallas or we have a museum called the Discovery Center you can see this in two minutes

[00:58:48] and you can see it’s moving under the water you you just see what’s above the water moving along and it’s it’s pretty

[00:58:53] dramatic my book I show the patterns of each sequence where the continents were together as they moved apart the next

[00:58:59] one the next one the next one and so that is cool that is amazing wow well

[00:59:05] that that is uh for those of you who just hopped in here uh Dr Tim Clary has

[00:59:11] done tremendous work on this and carved in stone is his most recent book he’s got a lot of books that you can look

[00:59:17] into icr.org yeah there it is plug it’s it’s four and a half pounds hey that is

[00:59:23] worth that is worth PL got lots of maps and diagrams and yeah pictures pictures as well so buy that

[00:59:30] for your geology Professor if you’re a student of geology buy that book give it to your geology Professor let them try

[00:59:36] to figure it out that’ll that’ll put a rock in their shoe to to force them to go wait I got to figure this out well

[00:59:44] yeah you know the data is real and so nothing else the middle chapters in there it shows each you know each of the

[00:59:49] six sequences and it shows the data in this case only three continents but the pattern is identifiable with three

[00:59:55] pattern with three contents just like I’m seeing on the other the other three that I’m that I’m still finishing up but

[01:00:02] it’s it’s it’s amazing I mean it’s just the insights that you can get from collecting data and looking at allowing

[01:00:08] data and and then God giv me this little bit of wisdom by praying for wisdom gives me just enough insight to like oh

[01:00:15] yeah but there’s a whole lot more still there’s a lot more work to do well you said you said before we before we uh

[01:00:22] before we end here you said that um you’ve got Australia left to do I think that was the last one you were saying

[01:00:29] yeah I’m I’ve just finished up compiling the data for Australia I’ve got over 400 and some columns in Australia I’ve got

[01:00:34] over 3,000 I think worldwide now it might not seem like a lot when you look on the map it covers every major that is

[01:00:41] that is a lot I’ve gotta do a little bit I’ve gota I’ve got to shift a little bit further offsh and do New Zealand and

[01:00:46] then I’ve got to do what I can around Antarctica there’s data around the edges of Antarctica but that’s that one’s

[01:00:52] goingon to be a little tough because I don’t know what’s going on in the middle so what so what um what kind of research

[01:00:57] uh you know if you had your way what what kind of research would you do after you finish this project well I want to

[01:01:03] look at the pre stock or the pre flood sediments I’ve been compiling that in my

[01:01:09] database as well which is I think I mentioned earlier some of these what’s called pre-cambrian sediments every

[01:01:14] continent has significant amounts of sediments that we need to sort out is this from the earliest part of the flood

[01:01:20] from The Fountains of the deep or is this part of the pre- flood world where you just see like these rivers are draining off leaving these massive

[01:01:26] Deltas because the Bible does talk about rivers so we got to piece the world back together again and see why does

[01:01:32] Australia have so much of that but yet it’s not just there it’s on other continents as well but it is smaller

[01:01:37] compared to I’ve compiled all that too and it’s it’s about a little bit above those first three sequences you see a

[01:01:44] lot of pre-cambrian side that’s below below the Cambrian below the Cambrian and so they’re they’re pretty much

[01:01:49] devoid of fossils except for there’s some algae and things that are found in them and so

[01:01:55] not thought of to be the it was traditionally not the what I don’t think is the true Pro you know flood progressing onto the land it’s just a

[01:02:03] material that might have been near The Fountains of the deep and bursting open there’s a lot of volcanic activity like

[01:02:09] and there’s also a lot of sediments but it’s all locally these are more localized but in some cases they’re very

[01:02:14] significant and thick thousands tens of thousands of feet thick so exact so so

[01:02:19] you think that it’s possible that that’s actually land that was there prior to the flood

[01:02:26] some of it might have been and some of it might have been part of the earliest flood as well so I’ve got to sort out you know how much of this was those 1600

[01:02:33] years that might have built up some sediments particularly offshore on the kind of margins and areas where Deltas

[01:02:39] might have been draining in the oceans you know again it’s hard to tell what the pre-flood world was like I

[01:02:45] could get some general ideas I get shallow Seas I get a lowland area to get an Upland area that’s about all I can

[01:02:50] really glean out of the data you can kind of see what’s flooding what floods first and then what’s the fossils though

[01:02:56] that contains and then you can see the fossils in the next part the next part and that’s how you can kind of see you know you went from swampy areas to

[01:03:03] Upland areas that’s where fling plants appear later in the Rock record just like most of the mammals appear later in

[01:03:08] the Rock record because I think they were living in higher elevation probably with humans so humans and dinosaurs probably lived in separate areas because

[01:03:15] dinosaurs are tied to their plant sources that God made for them in lowland areas and maybe a few thousand

[01:03:20] feet higher as where most of the mammals horses and camels and you know Lions Tigers and bearss and all those things

[01:03:26] that we don’t find with Dinosaurs we find birds of dinosaurs we find little mammals with dinosaurs that lived in swamps but we don’t find the traditional

[01:03:33] pigs and horses and and humans really with dinosaurs at least none has been

[01:03:38] reported sure sure yeah there there there probably is some mixing during the flood because animals are being tossed

[01:03:44] around but they kind of were buried near to some extent where they were living and except for it went over the top and

[01:03:51] it kind of went every direction so you see a lur up Islands up the northern part of

[01:03:56] Greenland in Canada in just some of the islands like baffan Island you see the same Lemur in

[01:04:02] Wyoming you had you know was Canada but they they were shed in both directions so yeah some interesting things that you

[01:04:08] find just by you know keeping tabs of things but to me this has been the greatest labor of love I don’t even

[01:04:14] consider a work and it It ultimately it shows people that it really was a flood it was a global flood just as the Bible

[01:04:20] describes and if that’s true then you know the love story of the Bible shows you how God was through his own shed

[01:04:26] blood God himself was able to come to Earth and and died for us you it’s done

[01:04:32] we can’t do any work to earn way to heaven it’s all through Jesus the shed blood he did it all we just have to

[01:04:38] believe in it and praise God provided that you know he’s he shows the judgments he shows what happened

[01:04:43] failures of everybody throughout history you know failures of David failures of everybody everybody standing except Jesus himself and but he’s also offered

[01:04:50] you know Redemption through his blood so we don’t have to worry about it you know we just ask him for forgiveness and so

[01:04:56] ultimately that’s what the book is to show is if that if Genesis is true then you can believe the whole Bible you can

[01:05:02] believe anything in the Bible if you can believe there’s a flood it’s been knocked down and kicked down and you know people say there I’m not a

[01:05:08] scientist because I joined icr blah blah blah but I’m doing the best science of my life I’ve never done science on this

[01:05:15] extent this much data you know having this much of an impact to show people there really is evidence of the global

[01:05:21] flood so if you’re a Christian out there and you’ve been doubting you know if you’re just blindly believing you don’t

[01:05:26] have to blindly believe you know there’s enough evidence to to show that there really was this Global flood that the

[01:05:31] Bible talks about absolutely this is well this has been really fantastic um I

[01:05:37] feel really grateful for your time and I feel great you guys call me up and set this up and you know you want to talk

[01:05:43] dinosaurs we could do dinosaurs sometime too I did he hey I I’m excited to have you back on again man I feel like I feel

[01:05:49] like we could talk for quite a while so uh I want to keep picking your brain so could yeah yeah thank you Tim I really

[01:05:55] appreciate it I appreciate you guys yeah and I’m I’m looking forward to what’s

[01:06:02] that I said we want to show people salvation is right there amen yeah it’s free a free gift it’s Christmas time the

[01:06:10] ultimate free gift was Jesus himself laying down his life for all of us amen himself wonderful laying down his life

[01:06:16] for all of us not just his birth but he came to die and and to forgive us amen

[01:06:21] amen thank you so much such a big blessing for those of you listening uh if you want to look look more into Dr

[01:06:27] clary’s work icr.org and um like I said he’s got a lot of resources great articles to read too share them with

[01:06:34] your friends share them with your family um and they’ll be blessed they’ll be you know astonished by the evidence and um

[01:06:41] maybe it’ll crack the door of their heart and they’ll give uh God’s word another look so uh keep praying for your

[01:06:47] family don’t give up on them even uh when sometimes it seems like they’re they’re hard-hearted or hard-headed um

[01:06:54] don’t give up Christ doesn’t give up on us so uh thanks again Dr Clary and look forward to having you on again when you

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