Ufos from a Biblical View with Gary Bates

[00:00:00] thanks for tuning in my name is Kevin Conover I’m your host on educate for Life radio and we are broadcasting down

[00:00:05] here in Southern California on FM 106.1 and K praise 12 10 a.m and of course

[00:00:12] we’re also podcast on uh Apple iTunes and Google podcasts and and everywhere

[00:00:17] else and uh there’s all kinds of wild stuff in the news recently about aliens

[00:00:23] I mean you’d have to have your head under a rock uh not to know um just just in the news I believe today

[00:00:29] or yesterday uh bizarre uh people were thinking that alien seven foot tall

[00:00:35] aliens were attacking people in Peru if you haven’t if you haven’t seen this

[00:00:41] look it up and it and now it’s looking like I I find this answer even bizarre

[00:00:46] too what it turned out to be was uh guys dressed as aliens wearing jet packs that

[00:00:53] that sounds bizarre to me also almost as bizarre as aliens but um whatever the case uh there is a lot

[00:01:00] of speculation right now especially especially because back on July 26 during that week there were

[00:01:06] Congressional hearings on alien sightings we have high level uh people

[00:01:12] in them that have served in the military respectable people claiming um David uh gorsh reclaiming that the

[00:01:22] government has actual alien spacecraft and potentially alien biology body parts

[00:01:29] from Aliens and uh this can really throw you for a loop if you if you’re you know

[00:01:35] a bible-believing Christian you’re trying to figure out what in the world is going on here um does the bible hold a position on

[00:01:42] whether aliens exist or not and uh how should I view these things and why would

[00:01:47] somebody uh be making all this up and the good news is is we’ve got an expert

[00:01:52] on the show today um Gary Bates and he has been studying

[00:01:57] this for quite a long time a book his book alien intrusion came out in 2005

[00:02:03] and he has done tremendous amounts of research on this and in fact ended up

[00:02:09] being one of the best sellers on Amazon because his book was so well done and so

[00:02:15] well researched he has been uh working for CMI creation

[00:02:21] ministriesinternationalcreation.com for quite a while you can get all his resources there you can also look him up learn more about what he does and uh

[00:02:28] Gary thanks so much for being on the show today you are most welcome Kevin nice to be back again absolutely yeah

[00:02:34] and so you know when I first read your book quite a while ago I was stunned by

[00:02:40] a lot of the research you had done and a lot of the conclusions that you had come to and um but it all makes so much sense

[00:02:46] and since then you’ve also come out with an alien intrusion movie as well is that correct yeah that came out in 2018 a

[00:02:55] kind a lot of people were asking for it and I I suppose apart from Reading dry

[00:03:01] hard print on a page uh the movie had a considerable impact because we were able

[00:03:07] to use uh the testimonies of the actual UFO researchers and these guys are not

[00:03:13] Christians so when a lot of people disagreed with our conclusions we said well it’s it’s not us you have a problem

[00:03:20] with it was your own guys so we’re using their research to validate if you like our hypothesis but also the testimonies

[00:03:28] of these people who uh you know might be called abductees we prefer to call them

[00:03:34] experiences and the fact that these alleged alien visitations were being

[00:03:39] halted in the name of Jesus Christ so and again you don’t have to believe Little Joe Christian here uh there are

[00:03:47] over 400 cases well documented on that now so as some guy said in the movie if

[00:03:54] these are really aliens why they why are they bothered by some mythical religious figure as the Skeptics might say but it

[00:04:02] indicates as did the research of the secular ufologists that we featured that

[00:04:07] we’re primarily dealing particularly at the abduction level not so much with the sightings of spiritual phenomenon which

[00:04:15] guess what the good old Bible has always indicated there’s a spiritual realm and

[00:04:20] we’ve had visitors from that realm and they’ve masquerade masquerade

[00:04:25] masqueraded in various forms and the Bible says clearly um you know Satan that the devil musks

[00:04:33] arrayed masquerades as an angel of Light for example so yeah a bit of a snapshot

[00:04:38] so what we want to you know I think what we where we’re going with this and what we want to go uh to discuss for our

[00:04:44] listeners and really kind of nail down is is there’s a there’s a gigantic portion of the world that actually

[00:04:51] believes there are physical aliens um it’s all over the web right now for

[00:04:57] for those of you who need to get caught up on this the uh David grush he’s a former U.S intelligence official he

[00:05:04] actually testified during a congressional healing hearing just in July not that long ago at all

[00:05:11] um and and his you know first of all he when he first made these claims that the

[00:05:17] government was hiding stuff um Congress people of congress said look uh we feel like this is a potential

[00:05:23] security risk we really need to look into this we want to get down you know to the nitty gritty of what is really

[00:05:28] going on here because um uh Ryan Graves a former Navy pilot

[00:05:34] also testified David fraver another Navy pilot

[00:05:39] um said he had seen some sort of uh flying object and uh this isn’t going

[00:05:45] away anytime soon um Gary this is a phenomenon that’s been going on for a very long time

[00:05:52] um and it doesn’t seem to be diminishing uh do you anticipate people coming to a

[00:05:58] conclusion and this being cleared up or is this going to be do you feel this is going to be an ongoing issue that we’re

[00:06:05] going to have to be wrestling with sure um well you covered a lot there let me

[00:06:11] try to unpack it a little bit I’ve been researching this for over 20 years and I’ve kind of been predicting this

[00:06:18] day would come uh the first thing even though you know people out there might

[00:06:24] say well he’s a Christian or we’re always going to put our kind of Christian interpretation on it uh I’m

[00:06:29] not a debunker okay that’s the UFO term for everybody that’s kind of in denial about what’s happening people really do

[00:06:36] see things uh that are not explainable we see objects on radar the military

[00:06:42] have recorded them now over 90 can be explained but there are sightings that you cannot

[00:06:48] explain uh if you like under our normal understanding of the laws of physics uh

[00:06:54] in fact in the movie back as far as 2010 we featured uh a clip from a a press

[00:07:02] conference or a conference being held at the Washington Press Club with 80 former Air Force officers

[00:07:08] so not just enlisted guys looking for five minutes of fame these were officers who testified to seeing these objects

[00:07:15] flying at seven thousand miles an hour now we don’t have craft that can do that they’re doing right angle turns without

[00:07:21] slowing down they merge into one another and then go off in another Direction so it’s not a matter of advanced technology

[00:07:29] uh like you know is postulated in science fiction that science fiction we

[00:07:35] it’s simply you can’t have craft doing those types of things you know doing right angle turns at thousands of miles

[00:07:42] an hour would splatter the occupants up against the wall secondly when people see these things we never see them

[00:07:49] entering our atmosphere from outside there’s about 150 sightings every day and as I said the majority can be

[00:07:55] explained but when they manifest and the and the the leading ufologists will tell

[00:08:01] you this when they manifest they just appear and then they disappear and so for many

[00:08:07] many years the US government has neither they’ve had that we can neither confirm or deny but we looked at it and there’s

[00:08:15] nothing to suggest it’s of extraterrestrial origin they’ve been doing this since the 1940s now in that

[00:08:20] press conference I mentioned and I normally have never mentioned this and I’ve only kind of come out of the closet

[00:08:25] myself because it’s just too hard for people to believe they testified that

[00:08:31] these lights have entered the ground into our missile silos and have affected the operational Readiness of our nuclear

[00:08:38] weapons now a few years ago we got an article on our website if you just type in government UFOs at creation.com

[00:08:44] Senator Harry Reid leader of the house during the Obama Administration actually

[00:08:49] has come out and said that they were spending over 20 million dollars a year continuing to investigate them and he’s

[00:08:55] really pushed the Barrow on this because he said they affected our nuclear Arsenal such an extent that if the

[00:09:02] president wanted to order a retaliatory or a first strike we had we would have been unable to do so

[00:09:08] so that is Major you can bet the government is taking these things seriously but here’s the rub if we

[00:09:16] really are dealing with something that we can explain in the Supernatural realm

[00:09:22] um how would the governments explain that because they don’t believe in the Supernatural and like that press

[00:09:27] conference they said well clearly we’re dealing with the technology that’s far beyond our own understanding and

[00:09:33] whatever and therefore it must be of extraterrestrial origin but the major view now is it’s not you know ETS flying

[00:09:42] there faster than like spacecraft from a you know a galaxy far far away that’s called the Extraterrestrial hypothesis

[00:09:48] the shift has been to something called the interdimensional hypothesis and all the leading movers and shakers

[00:09:55] will tell you as I said it’s just appearing and it looks like it’s entering our realm from another realm or

[00:10:01] Dimension and this cabin is not new this has been happenings for as long as we’ve

[00:10:08] got record written records of it you know Alexander the Great recorded flying

[00:10:13] Shields attacking his his army the American Indians have stories of flying

[00:10:19] canoes with people on board now what are they seeing and how they’re describing

[00:10:24] it we’re never to we’re never too sure but the reason I predicted this is because

[00:10:31] the weight of evidence is so strong and other governments around the world have come out and been honest and more candid

[00:10:37] that in a way it was going to force the government’s hand particularly when their own uh military personnel were

[00:10:44] kind of blowing blowing the whistle and so we’ve seen Navy pilot footage of these objects we saw one entering the

[00:10:51] water next to a ship Etc but let me just answer one really

[00:10:57] important thing because I’ve had several emails from people saying well what are you going to do because they’ve said

[00:11:03] they’ve recovered alien bodies they did not say they recovered alien bodies and

[00:11:09] I want to make a point here because I’ve been doing this long enough to know when someone

[00:11:14] misdirects or equivocates on an answer it tells me everything I need to know about the witness so the question was

[00:11:21] asked of him have we recovered alien bodies he did not answer yes or no and he said

[00:11:28] we have recovered non-human biological material now quite frankly What on earth does

[00:11:35] that mean because a dead bunny rabbit is non-human biological material yeah it could be

[00:11:42] absolutely anything and when you get an answer like that unfortunately I have to say that typifies at the lay level and

[00:11:51] at the high level because there have been NASA astronauts you know pushing the Barrow wanting us to you know

[00:11:58] allegedly reveal the truth about UFOs it doesn’t come from the weight of evidence

[00:12:03] it comes from a belief that they have that we need to do more and uncover it

[00:12:08] so I have to say grish has a bit of an agenda in his answers like some other

[00:12:13] high-ranking officials like Harry Reid of wanting to kind of uh

[00:12:18] seed of the waters as it were to create controversy

[00:12:23] that says we’ve got to uncover this we’ve got to be doing more about it more funding more funding for it yeah

[00:12:30] yeah so I that I wanted to our listeners to know that too is that um as far as I

[00:12:36] can tell the federal government NASA everybody at this point even after the Congressional hearings has said there is

[00:12:43] no evidence of physical aliens like we would we would think about um they’re

[00:12:49] not the the Congressional hearings did not conclude that yes there are aliens

[00:12:54] that that is not the conclusion they came to right and the evidence that uh that was available they said was not

[00:13:00] enough to conclude that that there are aliens and so uh that’s a real problem

[00:13:06] so I was going to ask you about that also so I’m sure that there are some people that

[00:13:11] that um manufacture the idea that aliens exist or they they want so badly to

[00:13:18] believe that this was some sort of uh extraterrestrial experience or whatever the case uh that either they tricked

[00:13:25] themselves into believing that it happened or I suppose they have an agenda and um I’m not asking you to get

[00:13:32] inside the mind of David grush or or anybody else but when somebody like Harry Reid or Mr grush is making these

[00:13:41] statements or um I was I was listening to an interview by uh John Lear you’re

[00:13:46] probably familiar with him and his statements are wild um yeah he’s he’s literally saying I

[00:13:53] know beyond a shadow of doubt that there are alien entities here on planet Earth we’ve actually talked to them it’s like

[00:13:59] he’s and he’s describing there are different types of them he says there’s three different types of aliens some are

[00:14:04] hostile some are nice um and and yet you know he’s supposed to be somewhat credible

[00:14:11] but um what is is this do you think that somebody who’s doing this is just looking for attention

[00:14:18] have they tricked themselves into believing this what what is going on there well this this goal goes back as

[00:14:24] far as there have been sightings I mean right back even to the 1940s and I

[00:14:29] covered it in my book Kevin we have to understand people are very complex creatures I suppose

[00:14:36] we always want answers you know if a NASA astronaut says he saw something well here’s an authority figure and

[00:14:42] therefore he must be telling the truth Edgar Mitchell one of the Apollo Astronauts that landed on the moon and

[00:14:47] years before him Gordon Cooper one of the Gemini astronauts Etc all were pushing the Barrow of

[00:14:55] trying to get the government to intervene because they really believe there was something Edgar Mitchell never

[00:15:02] saw he said anything but he started an organization himself for the investigation of of UFOs and when I say

[00:15:10] people are complex I’ve learned over the years and you know we we even see it in Christian circles where people make

[00:15:17] spectacular claims of you know having spiritual experiences with God or Jesus Etc and we look at it

[00:15:24] and we go well they’re a Christian so why would why would they lie but people can be self-deceived in other words you

[00:15:32] want the truth so bad that the story that was that big becomes that big and you don’t sometimes know the difference

[00:15:38] yourself it’s like a fishing story it gets bigger and bigger and you know I’m not trying to be unkind but

[00:15:45] people do it yes for their five minutes of fame uh they do it because they want

[00:15:52] you to believe right what they believe and a good example of that was the book the Roswell

[00:15:59] incident uh which I have to say before I became a Christian I was a great believer in

[00:16:04] extraterrestrials and that type of stuff and a science fiction fan and I read that book and I was convinced that the

[00:16:10] government’s hiding the truth about UFOs because they produced in the book a photo of a apparently a document signed

[00:16:18] by President Harry Truman that created Majestic 12. this is the mj-12 the Men

[00:16:24] in Black you know which has become the Steph stuff of lore and movie fiction yeah who

[00:16:29] were going out after crashes and sightings but you know what happened that document was a an exact replica of

[00:16:37] another signature Harry Truman time no two signatures are ever alike and that was The Smoking Gun and they’d actually

[00:16:43] smuggled it into government archives where under the Freedom of Information for ACT some of this stuff was

[00:16:50] supposedly been released and then claimed that they found it so that book was a huge seller because they had the

[00:16:56] Smoking Gun of Harry Truman’s signature but later it was found to be a fraud now they obviously made a lot of money from

[00:17:03] the book uh Charles berlitz and more but um I also believe that they really

[00:17:10] believe the government was hiding stuff and so they thought the end Justified the means this will get the government

[00:17:15] to tell the truth uh Etc but as I said uh you know I’ve met hundreds of people

[00:17:21] who’ve seen things and we should never debunk their store stories and particularly people have had experiences

[00:17:28] they can have real experiences the question is is are they

[00:17:33] truthful experiences because you’ve had something that is real and something may stand at the bottom of your bed and say

[00:17:38] well look I’ve come from Zeta reticularly I’ve chosen you you’re special and I have to say experienced

[00:17:45] investigators like myself and even the secular ones know can really kind of determine the difference between

[00:17:51] The Seekers of Fame psychological episodes and those who may have had some sort of genuine experience

[00:17:58] we use something called the classic abduction syndrome there’s a set of markers that we used to kind of examine

[00:18:04] people um but the fact is they could have had a real experience and so that experience

[00:18:10] for them when they listen to the story that accompanies The Experience they

[00:18:16] package the whole thing as in yes I’ve been visited by extraterrestrials and it

[00:18:21] makes them feel special and it gives them a mission um John Mack who you may have heard of

[00:18:27] who wrote who was an abduction researcher and performer professor of Harvard Medical School started out as a

[00:18:33] skeptic but he interviewed hundreds of abductees and he said it’s life-changing

[00:18:38] for them and they become evangelists if you like for their cause so people

[00:18:44] promote the idea on a number of levels is what I’m getting to yes it can be frauded they just believe and they want

[00:18:49] you to believe or they could have had an experience that has kind of drawn them in sucked

[00:18:55] them into the whole world view of being visited by extraterrestrials yeah I’m sure if somebody’s listening they’ve got

[00:19:01] a million questions right now which which I want to get to I want to really discuss this what is somebody experiencing who actually does have an

[00:19:08] experience they’re being authentic but if aliens aren’t real but before we get to that you made a statement that I

[00:19:14] thought was really interesting just a little bit earlier you said before I became a Believer I was very convinced

[00:19:20] that aliens were real and um your book your alien intrusion specifically

[00:19:26] um uh the subtitle specifically references the connection between evolution and the this alien phenomenon

[00:19:34] and I really want to ask you about that do you is there is there a tendency if you are not a

[00:19:42] believer to have a greater belief in Aliens is is there a correlation there between those

[00:19:47] who believe in God and our Christians that believe in the Bible and don’t believe in aliens versus those who are

[00:19:52] not Believers in the Bible and then you have a more a greater tendency to and if so why why would that be

[00:19:59] well let me just first say most Christians and we deal in Evangelical

[00:20:04] circles and I speak in about 60 churches a year and I’ve spoken on the subject hundreds of times in my experience most

[00:20:10] Christians don’t have a problem with the ideas of extraterrestrials but for another reason because they would say

[00:20:17] well you know God is the creator per Genesis 1 1 and he made this incredibly

[00:20:23] vast universe and why we’ve made it so big just for us on planet Earth we’re like a speck of dust in the universe

[00:20:29] Etc but there are theological problems with that because clearly the universe that God made the heavens and earth

[00:20:37] in Genesis 1 are also reserved for Destruction and I have to talk about the

[00:20:42] term heavens and earth it’s a grammatical phrase known as a merism and a merism is when you describe the two

[00:20:48] opposing ends of the subject to describe everything in between and I like to say for example if we said well let’s come

[00:20:54] to your studio tomorrow and paint it from top to bottom that’s a merism

[00:21:00] in that statement means we’re going to paint everything so heavens and earth means everything that God made so quite

[00:21:06] simply we know that it’s reserved for Destruction why because of what happened in Genesis chapter 3 before

[00:21:13] you and I and everybody on this planet were living in a cursed and Fallen creation and the effects of sin were so

[00:21:20] bad that God’s got to destroy it and make a new one so you know poor old Mr Spock sitting out there on the planet

[00:21:26] Vulcan you know they get diseases and Cancers and die because of what Adam did and they can’t be saved because it’s

[00:21:33] clearly only the descendants of Adam Jesus is the last Adam to undo the effects of the first Adam and then they

[00:21:39] get rubbed out at the end of time these vastly intelligent beings who can answer the great moral questions of where did I

[00:21:46] come from why am I here where am I going uh they have no hope of Salvation they get destroyed at the end of time when

[00:21:52] God makes a new heavens and earth that would make God unjust so the Bible doesn’t talk about aliens but clearly

[00:21:59] the purpose of creation was to bring forward a bride of Christ and only humans can qualify as the bride of

[00:22:05] Christ okay the non-believers like myself yes clearly evolutionists because

[00:22:12] there’s only two games in town as to how life began here on the earth either it evolved Big Bang 14 billion years ago

[00:22:20] and or God created but the issue with the big bang uh

[00:22:26] hypothesis and I’ve been to lots of UFO conventions where they say well we know that we’re in a relatively young part of

[00:22:33] the universe our Milky Way and so there could be alien races who’ve evolved a a million years in advance of us therefore

[00:22:40] if they’re a million years advanced in their technology can you imagine this type of spacecraft that they can build

[00:22:46] you know hyperdrive spacecraft traveling faster than the speed of light and they’re visiting our Earth Etc but

[00:22:54] here’s the problem with all of that and you say there are good aliens and bad aliens overwhelmingly these alleged experiences

[00:23:02] people have are damaging even though they’re told it’s for their own good and we won’t go into the details because

[00:23:08] lots of it is of a sexual nature so if these are highly Advanced extraterrestrials who claim I call them

[00:23:14] the space Brothers in the book you know who’ve been overseeing our Evolution for millions of years well don’t they know

[00:23:21] that stealthily abducting people against their will in the middle of the night and subjecting them to cruel medical

[00:23:27] experiments on board the ship and they come back and they’re all the doctors and the clinicians say that they’re

[00:23:32] suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome and so on and so forth don’t they know that’s bad for The Human

[00:23:38] Condition you know and it’s not just me that says that now Nick Redfern the

[00:23:43] History Channel expert who appeared in our movie he says look it’s a game it’s a

[00:23:49] masquerade he says they they give the impression that they’re trying to hide but they clearly want to be seen But if

[00:23:55] they really are friends why don’t they just reveal themselves uh Etc and you

[00:24:01] know I I’ve said for years that I think we’re coming to A Time uh when the government will say

[00:24:07] something like we are being visited by extraterrestrials right now that’s not

[00:24:12] because they’ve got proof of it it’s because they’re probably dealing with a phenomenon they can’t explain within

[00:24:18] their rational materialistic worldview and they’ll just have to attribute it to something

[00:24:24] otherworldly because evolutionary views that’s the government mandated View

[00:24:30] and we’re all infected by the idea of Science Fiction today I mean it’s the number one most popular entertainment

[00:24:36] genre today yeah and when we look at all of these weird and wonderfully shaped aliens that allegedly evolving on other

[00:24:43] planets it’s because of evolution Evolution took a different turn in their planet’s history that’s why they’ve got

[00:24:50] four legs and five eyes and whatever compared to to human beings so yeah we

[00:24:56] we’ve got to look Beyond the interpretation that is given to the

[00:25:03] alleged evidence the same way we do with creation Evolution we we have the same facts but people come to different

[00:25:08] interpretations based upon their pre-beliefs or World Views and I found the pre-belief was the most determining

[00:25:15] factor in the terms of the statements that people make even even at a high

[00:25:21] level uh Etc yeah yeah our minds uh our minds seek a

[00:25:27] justification of what we’ve already decided is real right um and so

[00:25:34] along these lines um I’m I’m thinking about a variety of

[00:25:39] questions here but uh so explain to us how

[00:25:45] because the the case you’re making is that this is a spiritual phenomenon and

[00:25:50] the evidence actually demonstrates that this is the case that this is not

[00:25:56] um actually a a full physical experience but yet some people actually

[00:26:02] um do have a physical it has a physical impact on them even

[00:26:08] though they’re they’re having some sort of a mental or spiritual experience can

[00:26:14] you explain that to our listeners yeah uh well again what we should also

[00:26:20] understand is the nature of the experience or of the sightings has changed over time

[00:26:27] yeah the most classic um alien depicted today is called the gray you know the the the insect-like

[00:26:35] eyes yeah uh long spindly arms and legs well guess what before Steven Spielberg’s Close Encounters of the

[00:26:42] Third Kind movie nobody ever recorded them like that it’s it’s quite shocking

[00:26:47] isn’t it but no they never appeared like that now today we see things there the three main groups are reptoids

[00:26:54] reptilians uh insectoids that there are some others but the Grays are still kind

[00:26:59] of the main show and the shape of the UFOs this is as in you know the things we see in the sky not visitation has

[00:27:07] also morphed over time so it tends to change its appearance

[00:27:12] uh towards the understanding of the culture of the day so let’s face it 200 years ago for Farmers standing in his

[00:27:19] field and he sees some lights in the sky moving in formation there’s no aircraft

[00:27:24] there’s no there’s no Jets he’s not even thinking about extraterrestrial technology visiting

[00:27:30] from another place how does he interpret it he’s going to interpret it within his cultural understanding of the day well

[00:27:36] it might be an angel or a demon or yeah you might say I need to a new set of glasses or something but he’s not going

[00:27:42] to dream up those ideas of evolution another world and advanced spaceships visiting us so when we look at the

[00:27:49] ancient records as I say you know when American Indians say they’re flying canoes it’s kind of probably what they appeared

[00:27:56] like and we know from one of the more recent events in the late 1800s it was something called the Airship wave 1896

[00:28:04] 1898 and they appeared like blimps those you know kind of gas-filled airships

[00:28:10] yeah we didn’t have those in the US but they the technology was starting to develop in Europe

[00:28:16] but people started to see these things flying and there’s a story of one even landing and occupants coming out

[00:28:23] Etc the other aspect you mentioned is physically well it’s it’s not just that

[00:28:29] they’re physically affected it can appear physically and again when we talk about supernatural in the Bible and the angels

[00:28:36] I think people have this concept of these ethereal ghostly Spirit beings with angel wings but you know tell me

[00:28:43] tell me where that description is in the Bible when Angels appear right three visitors sit down with Abraham some say

[00:28:50] one might be the pre-incarnate Christ they sat down they ate food so let’s just stop here for a minute did

[00:28:55] they have stomach organs and digestive tracts to eat the food right Sodom and Gomorrah Angels appeared

[00:29:03] physically right to bring destruction upon Sodom and Gomorrah uh think about

[00:29:08] this you know I’m a student of Egypt I’ve been leading some tours to Egypt Etc Moses and Aaron appear in Pharaoh’s

[00:29:14] court and we know the story Aaron throws down his staff and God turns it into a snake and then the conjurers throw down

[00:29:22] theirs and I say to Christians well what happened they say well it was an illusion no no no that stick became a

[00:29:29] snake because it says Aaron snake eight yeah the snake yeah it’s very very hard

[00:29:36] for us to conceive in our kind of three-dimensional realm space-time

[00:29:41] Dimensions but that Angelic realm or the supernatural realm is not only spiritual

[00:29:49] because think about it ours is a spiritual realm we are Spirit as well as flesh yeah and so I believe that other

[00:29:56] realm where we can’t go but clearly they can go from there to here it’s not only what we would deem or

[00:30:03] understand as spiritual but it can also be physical and some of these UFO

[00:30:09] sightings have have left physical traces so when Gersh says non-human biological

[00:30:16] material well sometimes they’ve left stuff I think it’s called angel hair

[00:30:21] or something and it it’s kind of weird I mean researchers have said if you’re not

[00:30:26] well grounded you can go off the deep end trying to Fathom out all this stuff and some of them have that is amazing

[00:30:33] this is a gooey stuff a bit like Ghostbusters where they call it you know ectoplasm or something but literally

[00:30:40] they have found that with some some sightings Etc and as I say they’ve been

[00:30:46] seen on radar so clearly something is reflecting back from those radar beams

[00:30:51] well that’s so interesting yeah you know I I was thinking about this you know angels in the Bible are definitely able

[00:30:56] to obviously physically impact the world so something’s going on there where you

[00:31:02] know whether they’re materializing or whatever the case I’ve always thought it was interesting because you don’t you

[00:31:07] don’t hear very often about demons actually manifesting physically they put they’ll

[00:31:13] possess people they’ll do things like this but in the Bible and correct me if I’m wrong I don’t see too many instances

[00:31:19] where they actually other than Satan appearing to Christ um

[00:31:24] I don’t um am I writing that or is that not not no I think you’re right and this

[00:31:30] is a again something I don’t normally talk about but it’s because it’s a bit of a hurdle uh too far for people to

[00:31:36] comprehend yeah but I believe that Angels uh and demons are separate things

[00:31:42] because whenever you see demons it’s interchangeable with the term evil spirit

[00:31:48] but when Angels appear they do appear physically and they seem to me like the

[00:31:53] good Angels appear like Gabriel yeah you know appears before Mary um Daniel has praise to the Lord and an

[00:32:02] angel appears looks like again Gabriel and uh he says that um you know he’s

[00:32:08] going to bring uh Michael with him and they’ve been fighting against the princes of other lands for three

[00:32:15] weeks in our time so they can get there so there’s clearly a war uh going on in

[00:32:21] the heavenlies but whenever you see the word evil spirit or demon they don’t

[00:32:27] seem to have formed themselves and they seem to require so a good example is the passage where Jesus tells the story

[00:32:34] about an evil spirit leaving a man and he goes back and finds the man clean

[00:32:39] so clearly the spirit can come in and out when it wants to and then he brings

[00:32:45] back seven other spirits and so seven other Spirits enter the man

[00:32:50] and then he was in worse shape than he was before so translate that word Spirit Angel an angel goes out of a man and

[00:32:57] brings back seven other Angels worse than himself and inhabit the man that kind of doesn’t make make sense from

[00:33:04] what our understanding and there’s a view which I hold to uh that in Genesis

[00:33:09] 6 the sons of God which everywhere else in the Old Testament means Angels right

[00:33:16] uh Ben a Elohim Benoit Adam benoff females Daughters of men so these sons

[00:33:23] of God angels seem to intermarry with daughters of men and then you get this Offspring called the Nephilim

[00:33:28] uh apologies to King James Advocates because there it says Giants but

[00:33:34] actually the King James translators mistranslated a Greek word because the

[00:33:39] Septuagint was a Greek translation of the Old Testament the word gigantes but

[00:33:45] actually that was the Greek word for the Titans and the Titans in Greek mythology were the offsprings of the Gods who

[00:33:51] intermarried women on the earth you know Hercules was one for example so they

[00:33:57] these Offspring were called the Nephilim and Nephilim means Fallen ones and a

[00:34:02] common Christian view so if this is freaking people out people can do the research because actually right up until

[00:34:09] about the time of the Reformation of that time of Calvin Etc the most common view in the ancient church and in

[00:34:15] typical uh judaist rabbinical believings is the sons of God were angels they

[00:34:23] produced the Nephilim and they were the demons Etc in fact so their physical bodies

[00:34:30] were destroyed in the flood but the spirits cannot go to heaven and so on so they’re the demons that

[00:34:36] kind of roam around today so that’s actually a traditional historical View in the church it’s only in modern times

[00:34:43] that the church has come to believe angels and demons are actually similar so again that kind of fits what we’re

[00:34:49] seeing um angels I mean in Egypt God said he’s destroying Angel to bring plagues

[00:34:57] so they have incredible power they affected nature and one of the reasons is the Egyptian Pantheon of gods were

[00:35:05] actually deities of nature you know the Nile and the sky and and they’ve got a frog god and they’ve got a hippo God and

[00:35:12] if you look at God’s words he says I will execute judgment on the gods the false gods

[00:35:18] of Egypt and by doing so they undermine Pharaoh’s power because he was the intermediate between people and and the

[00:35:25] gods but look at what God’s angel did and it was even given you know the authority to kill the firstborn in Egypt

[00:35:32] well God passed over and did that but yeah so so when we’re looking at

[00:35:37] Supernatural we shouldn’t be surprised that they can manifest in all sorts of

[00:35:43] extraordinary ways have done through our throughout it history and their purpose is clearly to get people’s eyes off

[00:35:50] their creator yeah because one of the most common Tales people are told during their abduction experiences Kevin is

[00:35:57] that the aliens are human being creators the creators of human beings wow so throw Genesis 1 1 out and you really if

[00:36:06] you throw Genesis one mod out but what else is left I mean if that’s not true nothing that makes sense and nothing

[00:36:12] makes sense in the Bible it follows yeah my guest today is Gary Bates if you’re just tuning in and we are discussing

[00:36:18] this whole alien Phenomenon with a congressional hearing that happened in July and just how serious people are

[00:36:24] taking it it’s not people are not taking this lightly uh the the the

[00:36:29] investigations that are being done and looking into this uh they’re considering a very serious threat and so it’s worth

[00:36:36] looking at you can get more information about his book alien intrusion at creation.com if you want to check it out

[00:36:41] also the documentary uh uh Alien intrusion also explores this in great

[00:36:46] detail with a lot of research uh really well done um Gary I have another question because

[00:36:52] you know typically when we think of the Demonic or we think of a spiritual presence you know a lot of times what

[00:36:59] what people are thinking about is the occult we’re thinking about witchcraft which is something else that’s been on

[00:37:04] the rise which is this um which is the phenomenon of people uh

[00:37:10] just you know having discussions and even relationships with um Spiritual Beings

[00:37:16] um and it almost seems like there’s a crossover happening here where um I wouldn’t be surprised if people

[00:37:21] were doing what they could to try to communicate with these aliens now that

[00:37:27] there’s this recognition like you said it’s not extraterrestrial it’s what did you say intra-terrestrial is that what

[00:37:33] you said interdimensional interdimensional so now you have this situation where people are like hey we

[00:37:39] can actually communicate with these aliens they’re real beings and they’re not associating them with quote uh the

[00:37:46] occult or witchcraft they’re associating it with science and beings that that are smarter than us and

[00:37:54] so it’s this weird um is that actually happening where people are trying to get

[00:38:00] in contact with the aliens through like a I don’t know spiritual mechanism or something is that is that happening well

[00:38:07] they they actually themselves call it channeling which has it’s uh its roots

[00:38:13] in the occult Etc they’re a very common morphologies between the two in fact if people go to creation.com have a look at

[00:38:19] my article called our ghosts real and again we talk about the spiritual uh

[00:38:25] implications of that and again I’ve met people that say well you’re wrong I’m communicating with the dead

[00:38:33] um unfortunately some of these have even said that they’re Christians uh and I’ve even had pastors say that they they’re

[00:38:39] able to do that and there are lost spirits and they can they’ve lost their way and they can pass them on to Christ and so we can even be misled you know in

[00:38:48] our own holy quest uh because of the experience and again I repeat our

[00:38:54] experiences can be real but it doesn’t mean they’re truthful we can have deceptive experiences and the

[00:39:00] only way we can interpret them is through the lens of scripture you know I mean Jesus when he stood

[00:39:05] before Pilate he said my kingdom is not of this world right uh and so he’s come from that

[00:39:14] other dimension if we want to call it that so maybe we should go to the source that makes it clear and it’s very clear

[00:39:20] in Scripture that when you die you go to one of two places that’s it there is no you know life after death

[00:39:27] roaming around here being able to communicate with your relatives Etc so they have very very common

[00:39:34] morphologies and you might recall in the book I wrote about people like Barbara

[00:39:39] Marciniak a new Ager uh in her book Bringers of the Dawn she claims she

[00:39:45] communicates with extraterrestrials and what’s fascinating regardless of your

[00:39:50] own personal view of end times whether you’re post pre or you know a millennial

[00:39:56] uh they’ve all got a view for you but the most popular view they have believe

[00:40:01] it or not is that there’s going to be a great calling up of those fuddy-duddy Christians who have

[00:40:08] kind of those who have been holding Mother Earth back from ascending to her next level you know of her revolutionary

[00:40:15] stage Etc but don’t worry we’re all going to be taken to some utopian planet and be looked after but we’ve got to get

[00:40:23] rid of those negative energies that are holding the Earth back Etc and what they

[00:40:28] write about and they claim to directly Channel this from Alien beings and again

[00:40:34] when you think about it what’s the greatest form of deception it’s to reinterpret something that you see in

[00:40:39] scripture according to a more you know up-to-date enlightened View

[00:40:45] wow you say it in Satanism they have black masses that mirror communion and it inverts the truth because that way

[00:40:53] it’s a little bit more believable no no it’s not what that old-fashioned Bible says let me tell you what they were

[00:41:00] really aiming at and a lot of uh UFO believers they believe the Bible is a

[00:41:05] record of extraterrestrial visitations the Presbyterian Minister by the name of

[00:41:11] Reverend Barry Downing uh we’ve had some you know internet I called him out

[00:41:17] wolves and sheep’s clothing big and I reason I use that strong term is because if he claims to be a Christian he should

[00:41:23] know better and I believe that you know he’s not although he’s a Christian he’s not using the Bible his authority

[00:41:30] and he says that UFOs part of the Red Sea you know Jesus kind of the Believers

[00:41:37] he has was beamed up by you know or spoke sorry a radio transmitter was God

[00:41:43] speaking to him you know on the temple on the mountain when uh in front of the burning bush

[00:41:49] Etc and all sorts of weird stuff so he’s even a presbyterian Minister and one of

[00:41:55] the reasons he’s come to their viewers he’s met so many people that have had experiences and he’s convinced by the supposed weight of evidence based upon

[00:42:02] the stories uh that they’re told and that’s the thing most of these abductees

[00:42:07] have stories um that they’re convinced is the truth

[00:42:14] and I’ve got to make this point to how can that be well I always say to people and Christians in particular if you meet

[00:42:21] somebody that’s had that experience you need to exhibit empathy I think we’re very very good at Christian being as

[00:42:27] Christians with our apologetics we always want to correct people and bring the truth and sometimes we kind of hammer them up against the wall and you

[00:42:34] know I deal with the area of creation Evolution where that’s never more prevalent yeah but when I deal with

[00:42:40] experiences Kevin I have to listen because sometimes they’ve never really told people their experience because you

[00:42:48] can imagine put yourself in their shoes you know last night you you believed you were taken up on board a spaceship you

[00:42:54] visited these other planets you were told you’re special I’ve chosen you I’ve got a special Mission I’m coming again

[00:43:00] to see you you can’t exactly go to the office and talk around the water cooler to your colleagues about what happened

[00:43:05] last night yeah and so it isolates them and then when they have the experience

[00:43:11] again the only people that really they feel can empathize with them are

[00:43:16] the ones that are doing the violation and the abducting and we see that in human relationships it’s called

[00:43:22] Stockholm syndrome you know where kid uh people are kidnapped locked in a room and suddenly they find you know that

[00:43:29] they’ve got a similar uh now cause with the people who are doing the the abusing

[00:43:35] to them and that’s what I meant by people are complex so um people get driven in deeper and

[00:43:41] deeper and deeper and we unfortunately uh and I hate to be critical of the

[00:43:46] church but because this is a phenomenon that the church does not deal with I’ve had lots of people that have contacted me say well I went to the church and I

[00:43:53] was told that you know I need to go and see a psychologist or I’m demon

[00:43:58] possessed Etc and that’s just put to wall up but when they go off to these UFO Clinics of

[00:44:04] which there are thousands all over the world hundreds here in America they meet people who say hey welcome

[00:44:12] we’ve got people just like you come on in you know and they get and they get acceptance and they get embraced but

[00:44:19] then what does that do that reinforces their experience as well so Christians we need to be very Discerning and loving

[00:44:26] and patient with people who’ve had experiences because they probably have had experiences just

[00:44:33] like lots of other people in the Bible and Christ warns us about in the later times some shall even

[00:44:40] depart from the faith and believe deceiving Spirits for example yeah you know it’s interesting because

[00:44:47] when I was in college I actually had a friend come to me and share an experience she had that was incredibly

[00:44:53] spiritual and uh overwhelmingly it was it was very demonic

[00:45:00] um but it was she when I when I said to her I believe you she was like wait you

[00:45:07] believe me yeah yeah and she couldn’t she couldn’t believe that I believed her because she said I can’t talk to every

[00:45:14] time I bring this up um people just say I’m crazy and I she’s like I’m not lying this happened to me

[00:45:21] and I I need to talk to somebody about it I need to figure out what’s going on because it’s real and so

[00:45:29] um I think I just that really resonates what you are saying there that we really need to be empathetic this is real and

[00:45:35] people are having these experiences all over the place but that brings us to the next uh kind of discussion Point here

[00:45:41] Gary and that is um what was it that can cause these uh

[00:45:48] secular researchers because you said the secular researchers of aliens are the

[00:45:53] ones that concluded that this was a spiritual phenomenon um what was it that caused them to

[00:45:59] decide this is a spiritual experience that’s happening yep great question Kevin you know your stuff

[00:46:06] um well we go back as far as Dr J Allen heineck and Dr Jacques Valley who were researchers in the 80s uh Dr J Allen

[00:46:14] heineck was a government researcher he’s a physicist under Project Blue Book the

[00:46:19] government been investigating uh they’ve had four separate inquiries over the years into UFOs sign Grudge the Condon

[00:46:26] report and in fact A History Channel TV series was made semi

[00:46:32] you know biographical I suppose uh there’s a lot of nonsense in it called Blue Book based upon Dr J Allen heineck

[00:46:39] so what caused them to to come to that conclusion was the actual weight of evidence

[00:46:45] so I would say that the secular in person the ufologist and the Christian Eufaula just like myself we both agree

[00:46:53] about the nature of what we’re looking at we might disagree about its origin

[00:46:59] and that’s what serious researchers do but most lay people when they think about ETS because of Science Fiction we

[00:47:05] think about you know Star Trek and being able to jump into warp factor seven and you know

[00:47:11] travel around the Milky Way at leisure um and people are not going to like this

[00:47:17] but it’s not possible it’s just it’s not possible I mean the energy requirements

[00:47:22] it’s not a matter of advanced technology you literally have to defy the very laws of physics

[00:47:28] so it’s that understanding now a skeptic an evolutionist atheist

[00:47:33] he might also say well look I don’t believe in the Supernatural but most of them who are serious

[00:47:40] researchers will also say I also don’t believe that the coming from a galaxy far far away because it’s impossible so

[00:47:47] they would say it’s interdimensional and we’ve heard things like string theory or Multiverse which are thrown up to and

[00:47:53] force this idea but the researchers themselves came to it because of the weight of evidence because as I said

[00:47:59] craft appear disappear they change shape they they do aerial maneuvers I mean

[00:48:06] I’ve got first-hand testimony in my book of a man who later became a Christian but he talked about being out in the

[00:48:13] woods hunting and he saw these lights descend to the ground at incredible speed in front of him he said they

[00:48:19] didn’t even slow down and they did a u-turn and went straight back up well can you imagine the g-forces

[00:48:25] involved now you know I know if you watch Star Trek they have these inertial dampeners that avoid that but that’s

[00:48:31] science fiction and so again in the movie The reason I mentioned that so I

[00:48:36] mentioned for example Dr John Mack now he he caught on to the work of a guy

[00:48:42] called Bud Hopkins who was kind of the world’s first specialist abduction researcher and uh and I’ve got body

[00:48:49] Hopkins in the movie some of his stories as well terribly frightening what he recounts

[00:48:55] people allegedly happening to them on a ship but he says look there’s a good clinical case here he didn’t believe

[00:49:02] people were really being affected by aliens and so he followed Hopkins around he also put them under hypnosis which is

[00:49:09] called hypnotic regression because sometimes these stories are hidden trying to uncover and we’ve got footage

[00:49:17] of John Mack appearing on Oprah with one of his uh case studies and he says let

[00:49:24] me tell you as a clinical psychologist who says um the the the the way that these things

[00:49:31] manifest he said I’m trained he said it’s not lies that you know not make believe he said

[00:49:37] the only way this can actually manifest in the person’s lives after studying them is real experience so he ended up

[00:49:44] becoming a believer and the reason I’m telling you that is because I’ve got footage of him on

[00:49:50] another show with another um psychiatrist actually at the time and

[00:49:55] he turns around this is a professor of Harvard Medical School started as a skeptic and he says we are

[00:50:02] dealing with Spirit beings who are coming from another realm or dimension

[00:50:08] wow now when you and I say something like that people would expect it but when I heard him say it I just about

[00:50:14] fell off my chair because he was forced to admit that because of the very nature of the

[00:50:21] experiences people have how these beings appear how the craft appear what’s being done to them and he kind of said that

[00:50:28] they use almost a rape-like interventions and then he tried to pull back from that because he still thinks

[00:50:35] they could be beneficial and that they’re using some sort of impactful way of getting our attention by literally

[00:50:41] you know people under having to un endure rape-like experiences on board a

[00:50:47] spaceship and that kind of gives people a bit of an indication of what mainly happens to abductees yeah you know

[00:50:54] yes and these are not um like you said before their conclusion after doing all

[00:50:59] these interviews and talking to all these people is is that this is not people just trying to get attention this

[00:51:06] is this their conclusion through you you you said it earlier is

[00:51:11] you’re able to distinguish between some something that’s fictional something that’s authentic

[00:51:17] um these are real experiences they’re having because it’s it’s absolutely life-changing to them absolutely I mean if you’ve never been

[00:51:24] at a church um you know you’ve only been brought up with Bible stories as a kid

[00:51:29] and you wake up in the middle of the night you’re paralyzed in your room the reason I say that is people listening

[00:51:35] will resonate with what I’ve just said uh they can’t talk but a little being

[00:51:41] stands there it might speak to them but then they’re told they’re special so in this incredibly vast Universe we

[00:51:48] decided to visit this little rocky planet and we’ve been watching you and suddenly you’re given meaning and

[00:51:54] purpose right yeah I liken it this way because this this this encompasses all religions

[00:52:00] and all World Views you know the three big questions we often talk about in the church and outside the church there every human has probably had the

[00:52:07] question where do we come from why we’re here what’s our meaning and purpose and what happens to us when we die

[00:52:15] now of course if Evolution’s true right answer the question one there’s no

[00:52:20] meaning and purpose we’re just a giant Cosmic accident when we die there’s no life after death if God’s creator

[00:52:26] well we were created with meaning and purpose says he knewers before we were even formed in the womb because he

[00:52:31] operates outside of time and space and the decisions you make in this life are going to affect where we spend eternity

[00:52:38] but here’s the rub the answers to questions two and three will always be determined by question one where do we

[00:52:44] come from yeah and guess what the people are told with their encounters with these alleged aliens

[00:52:49] we’re your creators they give them meaning and purpose they have their own eschatology what’s going

[00:52:55] to happen to you as I mentioned before and so this becomes an all-encompassing worldview for people and so ufologists

[00:53:04] have said it becomes a substitute religion because guess what it answers those three big questions and that’s

[00:53:09] what the nature of the experience can do and why the stories that they’re told become so convincing and why it is

[00:53:15] life-changing I didn’t get saved till I was an adult Kevin and I can tell you when I had an

[00:53:21] encounter with the living Christ in my bedroom one night reading the Bible and his words spoke to me and I was so

[00:53:28] convicted that was a life-changing experience yeah but our experiences are not enough

[00:53:35] if I said to someone who was a Buddhist or a Hindu listen I had a life-changing experience he might be able to say the

[00:53:40] same thing to me how do we determine the reality of the experiences and that’s where we go back

[00:53:47] to the authority of scripture because as creation scientists we also look at

[00:53:52] where it touches on the physical realities of this world and we can find guess what the good old book doesn’t say

[00:53:58] that an elephant is holding up the world on its shoulders or like the Greeks Atlas is holding it up or in Hindu

[00:54:05] religions or Muslim religions a bull or something like that yeah he hangs the

[00:54:10] Earth on nothing the Bible says you know God sits above the circle of the Earth how did they know that those ancient

[00:54:17] writers before they had spaceships yeah you know it’s interesting because um I was I was looking at a video Elon

[00:54:25] Musk put something out and it was uh things are getting really really weird and uh man we live in a time where

[00:54:32] things are just getting really really weird and the only way you can have that Firm Foundation is through the word of

[00:54:38] God um the consistency the stability the reality uh it is just so so true and so

[00:54:46] when you go back back to the word of God and you continually look at that as your

[00:54:52] your uh what you’re holding up against what you’re experiencing and what you’re seeing uh it’s critical in order to be

[00:54:58] able to make good decisions about life because these are confusing things and

[00:55:03] if you don’t have the word of God you are going to be so confused by everything that’s going on it’s just

[00:55:09] wild and uh but let me say that let me say that in a number of areas Kevin not just on this

[00:55:15] subject but yeah you know I was just talking to our staff today because we’re living a very

[00:55:20] difficult political times world affairs are difficult and I see Christians

[00:55:26] getting very very Vigilant and partisan about all sorts of views and to be honest I often see them departing from

[00:55:33] scripture you know we we try to fit these things into what we think is our view of

[00:55:39] Christianity but actually you know I wonder how Jesus would think about him you know does

[00:55:45] Jesus really care about politics and political parties that he he cares about souls and individuals yeah and so at the

[00:55:53] end of the day that’s what we’re called to do we’re called to be Witnesses for Christ and look at the end of the day

[00:56:00] the only thing we’re taking to heaven with us are the people we lead to Christ that’s it and you know I often make a

[00:56:07] point that people and I’m certainly not making light of their experiences but these hundreds of abductees and experiences

[00:56:14] that I’ve met over the years and and even the ones I’ve read about no one brings back any physical object from the

[00:56:21] spaceship with them you know nobody stole a towel from the bathroom or whatever

[00:56:27] and so it’s clearly happening in the spirit realm in the illusory realm realm

[00:56:33] and again if we don’t have time to talk about it now but it begs the question if people are not really on board a

[00:56:38] spaceship how come they have these Vivid details of what’s Happening well the answer lies in something called

[00:56:45] um false memory syndrome which is a real medical syndrome that can be invoked upon people it’s recognized by

[00:56:52] Specialists and quite simply if people can do that to each other how why

[00:56:57] couldn’t Fallen Angels do that and unfortunately when people wake up from their experience or in the morning they

[00:57:04] cannot determine that fictional episode from reality they become one and the

[00:57:13] same it’s an incredibly powerful thing I mean in in the movie we feature a

[00:57:18] British hypnotist called Darren Brown he’s an evolutionist he’s a homosexual he certainly doesn’t believe in God but

[00:57:24] you’ll see him perform stuff on the street and he can change children’s high childhood memories just in talking to

[00:57:31] them in a couple of moments and so uh that’s that’s how easily it can be done

[00:57:36] so when people have all of these stories of course they’re not really happening but even though they can give you Vivid

[00:57:42] details that can be implanted among upon them and and for those of you listening something else I wanted to say about

[00:57:48] that because this makes you feel like boy I I can be pretty much deceived at any time here

[00:57:54] um the truth of the matter is and Gary in your book I remember this detail that when the secular I believe it was the

[00:58:01] secular researchers were studying this they were looking for what group is this not happening to and and very

[00:58:08] specifically it was the born-again Believers which a true Christian is born again there’s no such thing as a

[00:58:13] born-again Christian and a not born-again Christian that’s John chapter three but you in your book you

[00:58:18] specifically outline this that our protection lies in Christ

[00:58:24] um the ability to not be deceived lies in Christ because the whole word of God

[00:58:30] emphasizes the truth just share with us that that uh sure well these were two

[00:58:36] non-Christian UFO researchers in fact one of them was a field investigator for

[00:58:42] move Fund mutual UFO Network which is the world’s largest group Clearinghouse for UFO investigations and World

[00:58:48] headquartered here at America um they were looking at people and they

[00:58:54] go out and they investigate sightings people sing to end abductees and they themselves said look it’s so

[00:59:01] bizarre it’s just hard for us to wrap our heads around so they kind of had a let’s step outside of the box approach

[00:59:07] instead of looking at people who have been abducted is there any significant group of people who seem to be exempt and just to qualify your statement a

[00:59:14] little bit they came to the understanding because as I mentioned at the beginning some of these people were

[00:59:20] calling on the name of Christ they were saying prayers they were resorting to their childhood Faith Etc because they

[00:59:26] were terrified yeah and these experiences stopped in their tracks but then when they got it down a bit

[00:59:33] further and this is secular researchers saying this it’s interesting they said they found there were two types of

[00:59:38] Christians there were these talk the talk Christians to use their vernacular and then they were the walk the walk

[00:59:45] Christians and they found that it was the walk the war Christians the by and large seem to be exempt from having

[00:59:51] these experiences and they found that the walk the walk Christians were those who believed that the Bible was the word

[00:59:59] of God Jesus was the Christ is the Messiah because as you know a lot of people call themselves Christians today

[01:00:04] and there’s a lot of cultural Christianity uh in the US and those people were still being affected yeah so

[01:00:10] what was interesting is they rang their colleagues in mufon and to their surprise their colleagues

[01:00:16] in mufon said kind of and I’m paraphrasing here yeah we know about that so aliens don’t like Christians big

[01:00:23] deal oh my gosh but they weren’t satisfied with the answer so they went off and basically enrolled themselves in

[01:00:30] kind of like new Christians class to find out and I applaud them for trying to get to the to bottom of it what it

[01:00:37] was about these walk the walk Christians that aliens didn’t like and as a result of their study

[01:00:42] guess what well they realized that the Bible was the only thing that made sense of what was they were dealing with in in

[01:00:50] interdimensional realm the visitations of angels and so they got saved as a

[01:00:56] result of their research and one of them Joe Jordan has a become a fellow

[01:01:01] traveler good friend of mine he appears in the movie uh up until his retirement he was still an investigator for mufon

[01:01:08] in fact he was had to move to South Korea with his job and he was the head of mufon for South Korea so he still

[01:01:15] managed to held a very senior position and um people go to his website ce4 research

[01:01:22] and he’s got hundreds of testimonies now from people where their abductions and

[01:01:27] their experiences have been halted in the Name of Christ and so quite simply I mean that just speaks volumes to the

[01:01:34] spiritual nature of what is occurring um Etc now again you know people have

[01:01:40] written to me and said well I’m a Christian and I happened to me well think about the

[01:01:46] The Travelers in the new uh in the in the book of Acts who got beaten up by demons trying to invoke the name of

[01:01:54] Christ that’s right really they didn’t really believe and the demons knew the difference that was the thing yeah amen

[01:02:00] so that’s that’s a lesson for all of us right stay close to Christ he’s the one that has the truth he’s the one that can

[01:02:07] protect us he’s the one that’s got the power over um all of creation uh it doesn’t matter

[01:02:13] you know the demons the demons asked permission from Christ about what they

[01:02:18] could and couldn’t do so um he’s the one we need to go to and he’s the one we need to put our

[01:02:24] confidence in yeah testing and of course in the movie um we have the first-hand testimonies of

[01:02:31] some of these people and that’s why I said it the difference between the book the movie and I have to tell you I you

[01:02:36] know I know these people I’ve read their stories but myself and my cameraman I remember one lady Joyce God bless her

[01:02:43] she’s she’s gone on to be with the Lord now even 20 plus years after her experience

[01:02:48] she was there just in tears breaking down you know not knowing what to think

[01:02:54] she became a Christian she lost her family as a result because they all thought she was nuts I

[01:03:01] mean it’s so traumatic to listen to her and my camera and myself we were just subbing behind the lens listening to it

[01:03:07] um eventually she was reconciled with her husband her children as a result of

[01:03:13] their experience they they often uh called me years later to discuss what was going on

[01:03:19] but The Experience she had brought her closer to Christ because she realized

[01:03:24] again after counseling it was the only thing and then the the enemy tried it on

[01:03:30] again appeared in the room and she said get out of here uh no more no

[01:03:37] and she never ever had it again after that so yeah and it’s incredible to

[01:03:43] think you know even as Christians we don’t kind of mess or think about the spiritual realm you know

[01:03:49] we don’t go around casting demons out of people as our daily habit but if we read the Bible

[01:03:54] spiritual realm is real there’s a spiritual war going on uh it clearly

[01:04:00] says what we pray you know what will be list on Earth will be loosed in heaven

[01:04:06] we’ve been given awesome responsibility in the name of Jesus it’s not something we should take lightly

[01:04:12] and that’s why I also said we should also be very patient in people who are

[01:04:18] undergoing deception because the deception can be so incredibly powerful absolutely Gary I am uh so blessed that

[01:04:25] you have done so much research on a subject because I think it is really confusing for a lot of people and they

[01:04:31] feel lost they feel unsure and unclear about what in the world is happening am I going crazy and

[01:04:38] um so this Insight is so valuable for people to understand really

[01:04:43] um the biblical worldview what is going on um and the Bible spells it out it’s very clear it it shows what’s happening why

[01:04:51] it’s happening what the devil’s agenda is these sorts of things so thank you very much for your ministry yeah and uh

[01:04:57] really appreciate your time thank you and if I could just mention one article uh to help Christians with the confusion

[01:05:02] if they go to creation.com just type in did God create life on other planets as

[01:05:08] a very comprehensive comprehensive article that explains biblically why why we should not be concerned about these

[01:05:15] alleged sightings and why God did not create aliens living on other planets

[01:05:20] fantastic and again for those of you listening creation.com is an incredible resource I cannot overstate how much

[01:05:29] help that would be to you if you’re researching questions so many different questions are answered

[01:05:34] and when it comes down to the the science issues regarding Evolution and creation and evidence for the flood and

[01:05:40] so many other issues that um people are asking about in our in our current day and age

[01:05:46] um it’s a great resource for you to be able to use with your home fellowship with your church with your school your

[01:05:52] peers your co-workers there’s just so much information uh there written by many PhD scientists who have done very

[01:05:59] thorough research so please uh use that as a resource it’s a huge blessing so again thanks Gary and I’m looking

[01:06:05] forward to uh you know next time a congressional hearing happens on Aliens we’ll have you on the show again yeah I

[01:06:13] I should expect it and I think Christians should be uh it’s a time to make sure they’re well grounded I think

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