What Convinced Dr. Ron Neller that the Biblical Flood was a Historic Event?

[00:00:00] thanks a lot for being here this evening my name is Kevin Conover and you’re listening to K praise 1210 a down down

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[00:00:18] all the different uh platforms so you can check us out there and we’re going to be talking about um talking to a

[00:00:24] gentleman who changed his mind about the reality of a flood his name is Dr Ron

[00:00:30] neller he holds a ba and a PhD in what’s called fluvial geomorphology that’s a

[00:00:36] mouthful right there he has held lecturing and research POS positions at the University of New England in Australia Griffith University the

[00:00:42] University of Sunshine Coast in Queensland University of Queensland um also in Finland and the Chinese

[00:00:49] University of Hong Kong he’s published over 35 research papers in international academic journals with many more papers

[00:00:56] delivered to International conferences and he’s also esta and directed University Research instit institutes uh

[00:01:03] Dr neller thank you for being here with us thank you Kevin thank you for the invitation absolutely um I always love

[00:01:10] to hear um how somebody changed their mind um because it’s always interesting to me um when a person has something

[00:01:18] where it takes them from one place and completely puts them into a new place so give us a little bit of background um

[00:01:24] where were you originally um before you decided that there was actually a Biblical flood

[00:01:31] good question Kevin because uh I grew up in a non-Christian home uh if you like

[00:01:37] the correct terminology I was on the wrong side of the tracks both from a Christian point of view and a social

[00:01:43] economic point of view uh in other words there was a lot of alcoholism within the extended family and um a lot of abuse

[00:01:50] went on as well and it wasn’t just within the family I became a victim of uh let’s say um abuse at school which we

[00:01:57] know don’t need to talk about uh but what that did was created me a very strong

[00:02:02] defensive um almost anti-g goodly attitude because if you have numerous

[00:02:07] Mal saying they love you and treating you in a certain way uh when somebody else comes along and says you know there

[00:02:14] is a father who loves you uh your reaction is quite strong negative and so

[00:02:20] I started off in life very um almost anti um atheistic certainly and uh uh

[00:02:28] that was throughout my primary high school and University as well so I

[00:02:33] rarely came across a Christian in all of my upbringing uh in that particular area

[00:02:40] and so then the question is often asked well why did I go into research and

[00:02:45] Academia well I actually did it’s an Escape model Kevin I was unlike the

[00:02:51] others wanting to spend time with the courtesy of the government in various institutions

[00:02:57] yeah some members of the extended family thought was the good way to go I thought no I’m I’m going to free room and board

[00:03:05] right free room that’s right you got free room and board so so I decided no

[00:03:10] I’m going to go to university I’m going to get an education I’m going to free myself of all of this um and set myself

[00:03:17] on a track so I didn’t even qualify to go to university but I just a little side thing there I did Rock up at the

[00:03:23] local University and beged to be let in and they said why you know you don’t you don’t qualify well I didn’t qualify

[00:03:29] because of the education system I was in which was an abusive one at the time and was eventually closed down by the way by

[00:03:36] the government when they realized what was happening but um I did meet one Old Gentleman who said uh why are you here

[00:03:42] because the security had alerted him that there was this strange student wandering around campus and I told him

[00:03:48] my story and it turned out to be the chaplain and he allowed me to enter the university under act so and so and so I

[00:03:55] began my studies wow not doing too well to start with because of my background

[00:04:00] but uh very quickly Rising the ranks and then becoming top student because I was

[00:04:06] determined to change my life and what I was trying to do of course is exactly what God helps us to do but without God

[00:04:13] I was trying to redefine my life I was trying to find out who am I what is my

[00:04:18] purpose in life which is what everybody asks for and I I was driven aggressively to

[00:04:26] pursue that so once I’d finished my uh bachelor’s degree I thought I’d do a

[00:04:32] MERS and they said no no no now you’re going straight onto a PhD and I got that

[00:04:37] and I thought uh okay I took off overseas partly because I didn’t want to be in the country I didn’t want to be

[00:04:44] around the family uh and the rest of it I came back years later when I had established myself as a professor in

[00:04:51] numerous countries recognized and I felt I could come back home in a sense Dr n

[00:04:58] Dr n as you were getting older you’re seeing you know um is you said you were kind of anti-god and you weren’t you

[00:05:04] really weren’t familiar with any Christians was there any point that at at in that process where you considered

[00:05:11] God at all um there were opportunities yeah there were opportunities there was

[00:05:16] a young gentleman when I was in high school uh who could see he was another high school student at a different

[00:05:21] school I think he was a Christian School he could see the struggling I was going through and so he became a friend when

[00:05:28] you really didn’t have many friends and so that that touched me and you you

[00:05:33] I think then you come across other Christians as well which I did in my journey around the world um and um even

[00:05:41] when I was in Finland working there uh a Finnish Pastor became a good friend

[00:05:47] again they realized I was struggling and so they I guess what they Illustrated to

[00:05:53] me was that Christians were a different type of people they were not like a classic aggressive they were actually

[00:05:59] very patient ient very comforting didn’t tell me what to do just simply were

[00:06:05] there when I needed help and so um another question Dr neller um because

[00:06:10] your your um expertise um undergraduate it looks like and also graduate degrees have to do

[00:06:18] with geology that uh pertains to uh water is that correct yeah essentially

[00:06:25] earth science so I’m not really like a geologist who stick their head underground I I actually looked at the

[00:06:30] surface more and my basic question that I was asking is how does flood how do

[00:06:36] floods create the current landscape that we see outside today and I was thinking that that was a many events occurring

[00:06:43] would create that landscape process did you um were you

[00:06:49] already aware of the you know the flood story in the Bible it what motivated you

[00:06:54] to choose that focus when you weren’t not you were not even a Christian at that point is that

[00:07:00] correct uh that’s correct but um before I answer that a couple of things did

[00:07:07] happen to me that were rather interesting from an educational point of view uh in the first instance when I was

[00:07:12] at University I was told not to accept the current paradigms which are you sort of

[00:07:18] philosophical ways of looking at patents mainly because my supervisor in my first thesis was being heavily criticized for

[00:07:25] an idea that took many many years to be accepted as the correct answer and so he

[00:07:30] alerted me right up to keep an open and exploratory mind so I was sort of

[00:07:35] looking outside the paradigms that I had been taught as I traveled the world I

[00:07:42] guess I was also taught in those days that the turnover of knowledge it’s so-called halflife uh which was coined

[00:07:49] in about 1962 is that 50% of what we know will be passed away in this number of years and

[00:07:55] say it’s 5 years I came to the conclusion well within 5 years 50% of what I’ve learned is incorrect so why

[00:08:01] would I accept these paradigms these ways of thinking why would I even accept my own research necessarily unless there

[00:08:07] was something that was more you know could could stand the test of time oh that’s interesting yeah that they were

[00:08:14] very very good pieces of information taught to me at University now they’re not taught today I would argue that in

[00:08:20] most universities you won’t see that um they’re not you mean they’re not they’re not open-minded they’re more

[00:08:26] close-minded they’re more closed-minded particularly when you look at search they want you to stay within the current

[00:08:31] Paradigm not to explore outside of that as one editor of a journal said to me

[00:08:36] once why would I accept a different idea that challenged my idea when I’ve been working on it for 30 years I’m not

[00:08:42] certainly not going to publish that in my journal yeah and that’s a sad State of Affairs right there science is supposed

[00:08:49] to be the the consistent uh process of of uh you know re-evaluating and coming

[00:08:54] to better conclusions you know as we get more information but that seems to be uh pretty uh you know

[00:09:00] saful it’s across Academia I’m afraid not just scientist um and so finally of

[00:09:06] course I traveled the world so I was seeing rather interestingly I’d meet many people studying the same landform

[00:09:12] feature and I remember in one case I I looked at nine different cases the nine different researchers came up with nine

[00:09:18] different ideas based on their own limited experience which is understandable because they’re working

[00:09:24] in one environment they’re not comparing environments but having gone between nine different environments I saw a

[00:09:29] commonality there because I was looking outside the paradigms and I began to see

[00:09:35] connectivity on a global scale of a lot of Earth surface

[00:09:41] features and that really started to change me well if there’s a commonality across the world with so

[00:09:48] many features whether whether they be what I would call uh Misfit rivers or fossil formation all sorts of things

[00:09:53] that just didn’t fit properly um and yet there’s a pattern across the world didn’t this sort of suggest that there

[00:09:59] was a common cause what is a misfit River Ah that’s an interesting one it’s

[00:10:06] a better term would be underfit river and underfit river means that the river doesn’t look as though it belongs in

[00:10:12] that Valley it looks too small as though the valley was created by something bigger and my very first piece of

[00:10:19] research and publication was actually on one of those types of underfit rivers um

[00:10:25] it’s it’s got a special characteristic which which you’ll love its title is called the OS underfit River because

[00:10:30] it’s named after the oage river that commences in Kansas and and flows through Missouri and so on it is an

[00:10:36] underfit River but as I studied that uh in my original research I noticed they were all along the east coast of

[00:10:43] Australia not just in the oage valley or in that one Valley I was in uh in fact

[00:10:49] um another chap George jury identified that 50% of rivers who’s uh top

[00:10:55] Professor around the world 50% of rivers in France are all underfit W and so wow

[00:11:01] that is amazing that’s amazing and that said to me that something else of a larger volume of water created these

[00:11:08] valleys and today all we see are these little streams that occupy them they never created them they simply occupy

[00:11:14] them well this is the same um this is the same with the the uh Colorado River and the Grand Canyon right correct yes

[00:11:22] yeah wow here in Australia with Kumba uh the Gorges there beautiful Gorges like

[00:11:28] yours are uh I must have bit when I went to yours and had a look I was a bit terrified on the stairwell to be

[00:11:34] honest rightfully so it looked slightly rusted yeah they run out of they run out

[00:11:40] of money to take care of the national park so yes so well well that’s so really

[00:11:47] that’s really interesting I had no idea I mean um I teach my kids we talk about that how the the widest point of the

[00:11:54] Colorado River that I’ve the research I’ve done is somewhere between 300 and 500 ft

[00:11:59] and yet the the widest part of the canyon is 18 miles wide and it’s absolutely silly to think that the

[00:12:06] Colorado River carved this massive Canyon but I had no idea that this was something that occurred all throughout

[00:12:12] the world yes it may not have a canyon look about it but the valley that was created

[00:12:18] um certainly is bigger than what the river looks to be uh so I as I lived

[00:12:26] along the east coast I began looking everywhere as I drove up and down the East Coast of Australia and I just I was

[00:12:32] stunned at how many of them are underfit um and George Dury who was

[00:12:38] studying in Australia for a short time from the UK said the same thing he was caught off guard

[00:12:44] welln this is well known among um scientists who study things like Earth Science and geology is that right that’s

[00:12:51] correct it’s been the underfit rivers have been studied for over a 100 years um the oage was one of the first

[00:12:57] identified uh for over 100 years but nobody can come to a conclusion as to how these occurred all around the world

[00:13:04] they try to invoke climate change that in the past there was a much wetter period except that they can’t generate

[00:13:12] enough runoff that would create those Rivers those valleys would actually require the runoff the Stream flow or

[00:13:17] the flood flow to increase 50 to 60 times now we just don’t see that in

[00:13:23] nature um I I think you’d suffocate standing in that rainfall you Dr

[00:13:30] now that’s not physically possible so uh so what’s happened at that particularly

[00:13:35] the underfit rivers has gone very very quiet these days because you can’t explain them so so so as you’re studying

[00:13:42] this and then you’re recognizing these sorts of features um what happened next for

[00:13:48] you well I I if I started to I became I

[00:13:53] started to accept them there is a God um and I I made that comment after

[00:14:00] I’d come back from overseas by the way I now felt quite confident I still felt somewhat empty I was now Professor I was

[00:14:06] now reasonably well off having worked in foreign countries and on those salaries was extremely good uh but uh the uh but

[00:14:15] something was still missing but I felt there must be a God because all the evidence now that i’ had been studying

[00:14:21] in many other topics as well I didn’t just stay confined to those topics I even looked at microbiology and

[00:14:27] archaeology and all they all IND at a common unifying uh or connector if you like and

[00:14:34] um of a global catastrophe so having how long how long was that process from the

[00:14:40] time you began to see these features until you finally decided you know what

[00:14:45] when when did you start bumping into the idea of a global flood um along your way because you were you were in Hong Kong

[00:14:52] you said um for part part of your time too um how did that all happen well even

[00:14:59] in Hong Kong I met Christians as well who uh were trying to just being wonderful to me and looking after me um

[00:15:07] I guess it took a long time because of my earlier upbringing there was a resistance so even though the scientific

[00:15:13] evidence came up quite strong I was still quite hesitant now I did begin to argue let’s say uh having coffee with

[00:15:21] other researchers looking at a particular case study that maybe there is this possibility but I was also

[00:15:27] warned by the way by my secular friends don’t go don’t go open with this Ron do

[00:15:32] not comment on this you’ll lose your position in a university you can’t do this interestingly some of my friends

[00:15:39] who are secular scientists said look we agree with you Ron uh there must have been a global catastrophe something like

[00:15:45] the great flood because that’s what the evidence who of those who travel around the world see but they said we’re not

[00:15:51] going to say it we don’t want to ruin our careers um so that is that is H

[00:15:56] disheartening it is it took me then over 30 years to reach a point when I was

[00:16:02] prepared to go public and made a statement uh at um my last University

[00:16:09] that I believe God exists now did that get me into um some

[00:16:15] interesting challenges within the institution uh yes if you are research

[00:16:22] director and professor in science and you say God exists that’s not always comfortable in those faculties

[00:16:29] and um so I was challenged one interesting feature here Kevin I I laugh

[00:16:35] at this an academic is so Keen to put their name on a paper that they will publish but they would not put their

[00:16:41] name on the little notes they would write and stick on my door criticizing me for believing that God existed yeah

[00:16:48] that’s funny they failed to recognize that I could tell their

[00:16:53] handwriting that’s interesting but there was a lot of addition to that so so what

[00:16:59] were they saying to you when when you brought this up what what was their criticism because it seems like you know there’s quite a few scientists who

[00:17:06] either you know they they made people aware that they believe in God or um you know they’re they’re closet Christians

[00:17:12] or closet you know theists um what what were they saying to you well in each

[00:17:19] institution is different given because some of the older ones uh will certainly have a tolerance of that sort of they’ll

[00:17:24] still even have an Evangelical school still attach to them but many of the new ones particularly in countries like

[00:17:29] Australia are quite resistant to Christian thinking um so you might go to

[00:17:35] the open week as we call it the orientation week on campus and you’ll see stalls for everybody else but the

[00:17:41] Christians won’t be allowed a stall uh to connect with Christian students coming into the institution those sort

[00:17:47] of things happen here um so uh the comments were essentially

[00:17:52] mocking comments um jokes all sorts of things like that um is this because

[00:17:59] people are ignorant of the evidence or is it because what what is it because you know

[00:18:05] it’s interesting that this we’re having this discussion because I just recently have been in email communication with a professor at a university and I said um

[00:18:13] that I thought it would be worthwhile to have a scientific debate over the

[00:18:18] evidence for a young universe and this person said there is no scientific

[00:18:24] support for that what do you what do you mean and uh you know I wrote back well

[00:18:29] you you you need to be more informed there’s actually quite a bit of evidence for this and I actually forwarded one of

[00:18:35] your articles um from your website creation.com that lists um you know some

[00:18:41] of the evidences for a recent creation um and I I I rattled off a bunch of you

[00:18:46] know PhD scientists and said hey you should probably update yourself you you know you need to be aware of this this

[00:18:52] is this is real stuff and so um I just

[00:18:57] is it just lack of information getting out to these people or what’s going on I I personally feel in most case it

[00:19:06] is simply the lack of information it’s not a deliberate attempt it’s simply that because they were embedded in a

[00:19:11] system uh a set of thinking paradigms ways of thinking theories all the rest of it from the day they were born and

[00:19:18] very much reinforced at a university um and so to survive in a

[00:19:23] university well I think they’ve already accepted that as their faith that’s their faith I’m not really challenging

[00:19:30] them so much I think they just need to open up and have a look at the Articles which they they do resist quite strongly

[00:19:36] I similar to yourself um you know universities won’t invite me back in to speak even if you know there’s a we

[00:19:44] offer a debate um we’re not permitted back in again um so I mean part of it

[00:19:51] yes there’s there’s an anti Christian view but I think in the majority of academics it’s simply an

[00:19:56] ignorance based on their upbringing now when you were um you know when you were making this progression um to where

[00:20:04] you finally were convinced of the the historical uh record in the Bible um

[00:20:10] were you did you believe in evolution did you follow evolutionary thinking prior to that and

[00:20:15] uniformitarianism as far as you know the the explanation for why the world is the way it

[00:20:21] is uh not really Kevin uh even from day one I I just felt it was not correct um

[00:20:28] I guess because I’ve been taught to challenge paradigms and uh it doesn’t take much to challenge that one um and

[00:20:34] so even when I became an academic if I had a Christian student who said they can’t sorry go back a step I did have to

[00:20:41] teach that from a let’s say an earth processor’s point of view that the Earth evolved over time which is not a correct

[00:20:47] term but you know it changed over time um but if a student said they were Christian and couldn’t answer those

[00:20:52] questions I was quite happy to change those questions to say a modern day processes question so I was quite

[00:20:57] lenient with Christian students uh in the universities I was in um but I

[00:21:04] really didn’t have that belief in evolution because from from the earliest stages uh being taught to challenge

[00:21:10] ideas I challenged it and very quickly dismissed it gotcha okay so you were you were like

[00:21:16] nah this doesn’t work no no um and by the way when I traveled this is rather

[00:21:23] humorous when I traveled around the world I did occasionally go to churches

[00:21:28] and it was for the wrong reason Kevin oh yeah if if I if if let’s say if I I did

[00:21:34] win a contract to do some consultancy work in the Cook Islands and I quickly found out that at a ministers meeting in

[00:21:40] the Cook Islands they all prayed and I was like what is going on here this is a government Minister meeting and I said

[00:21:46] You Prayed oh yes I’m not only minister of this I’m also the pastor of this church and I was like okay well if I

[00:21:54] want to keep my contract I better pretend oh and so I went along to

[00:22:00] various churches wherever I went if the people surrounding me were Christians which is rather interesting so the seed

[00:22:06] was planted and and if I had friends in my life who were Christians and they wanted me to go yeah look I’d go along

[00:22:13] you know with with you see you were like a a agnostic almost more than you were

[00:22:18] an atheist you were kind of like well who knows what’s going on out there you know I’m not going to you know tell

[00:22:24] anybody they’re wrong I’m just listening with an open ear is that kind of where you were at yeah yeah that’s correct Kevin I was more of

[00:22:31] agnostic I guess I was never really an atheist perhaps when I was very very young I was prior to meeting that very

[00:22:37] first Christian teenager um but after that I became much more of an agnostic

[00:22:43] um until I gave my life at the age of about um or 15 years ago yeah 15 years

[00:22:51] ago uh gave my life what was it what was it that caused you to finally uh make

[00:22:56] that decision to turn your life over to Christ oh this this will put a smile on your face Kevin I was commenting in the University

[00:23:04] as I said that I think God exist it was misinterpreted by a staff member who was

[00:23:11] a biologist and a research researcher there and um she was sort of uh she was

[00:23:18] stunned she had not been raised she was an atheistic family um she she thought I

[00:23:24] don’t know of any people at the University who are Christians so she missed took my statement that I believe

[00:23:29] God exists to interpret me as a Christian and um she said there are no Tutors or teaching fellows and lecturers

[00:23:37] but you know here’s this professor head of department head of research centers

[00:23:42] who’s a Christian something’s gone wrong here I have to help him and so she began to ask me questions

[00:23:50] that I couldn’t answer and I said look just go and read the book meaning the Bible because that’s

[00:23:56] what tell her you didn’t tell her that you you weren’t a Christian you just said academics never admit they’re wrong

[00:24:05] Kevin so so I gave it just read the book and of course every academic does that

[00:24:10] when when they can’t answer a student they say go read the book manying of text I met the Bible and so she did and

[00:24:16] she came back with even more difficult questions well why did God kill so many people and I went what and she said I

[00:24:22] said what are you reading and she said well I started at the Book of Genesis and I’ve been working my way through and I went oh now I had learned enough about

[00:24:29] the Bible not having read it I said I don’t think you’re supposed to start there I think you’re supposed to start

[00:24:35] in those things they call the gospels or something she walked away this is a this is the strangest conversation

[00:24:42] ever so these are two academics on a campus and uh and so what happened was

[00:24:48] she walked away thinking well I was rather strange because Christians seemed to read their Bible back to front they go to the back first and then go to the

[00:24:54] front later uh but that reading the book of Genesis had a big impact on her by the way as a biologist it certainly

[00:25:00] helped begin to clarify a lot of things amazing she here here She took

[00:25:06] you seriously and you were kind of just joking around yeah exactly now atheists by the way K love reading the Bible I

[00:25:13] have found that wherever I go they want to challenge us and they’ll pull scripture out wherever they can get a

[00:25:19] chance so I often warn Christians as I speak you know hope you’re reading the Bible because you’re

[00:25:24] atheis yeah and anyhow she she had enough of all this and we you know I

[00:25:29] found it difficult coming into contact with her um and so she said one day take

[00:25:35] me to your church I’m going to prove God doesn’t exist and I thought I don’t go to church so I put it off for months

[00:25:43] until she got very angry and said take me to your church and I thought oh where do I go and I thought okay there’s a

[00:25:49] church down the road a big one and hundreds of people so I thought we go down there we walked down there

[00:25:55] one day went around picked up went down there walked in there and we had an academic argument basically in the middle of church because she said you

[00:26:02] promised to take me to our church I said this is a church and she goes um where’s the stained glass windows I said I don’t

[00:26:10] know it’s a it’s a big b Church she said what’s with the band on the stage

[00:26:15] where’s the organ I said I don’t know you know just sit down she said well where’s all the pews the wooden pews why

[00:26:21] are all these lovely comfortable seats I said I don’t know just sit down so we sat down neither of us remember any part

[00:26:28] of that talk okay but in the end the pastors realized there a couple strange

[00:26:33] characters in there who were even arguing in the middle of church in their academic voices and uh so he did a

[00:26:40] calling to Christ lower your heads close your eyes she did guess what she did she

[00:26:46] put her hand up gave her life to Christ goodness and she was an atheist and then

[00:26:52] she opened up one eye to see if I approved it thinking I was a Christian

[00:26:57] but when when she looked across she saw my hand was up as well and so an atheist

[00:27:03] had his hand up an agnostic had his hand up and uh she again thought well you’re a bit of a Oh I thought you were a

[00:27:10] Christian what are you doing you know and um so interesting point there Kevin is an atheist took an agnostic to church

[00:27:18] without any Christian support in there and on that day we both

[00:27:23] gave our lives to Christ and she didn’t annoy me anymore so a year and a half later I married her oh my goodness what

[00:27:31] a crazy story that is amazing he now loves doing Ministry with women particularly women’s identity and uh

[00:27:39] particularly with uh Christian Schools as well and um I had to leave University

[00:27:45] of course after that decision and um uh eventually connected with creation

[00:27:50] Ministries International and so we have now completely a wonderful story that

[00:27:56] is that is the first time I’ve ever heard a testimony like that it’s unusual

[00:28:02] it’s unusual people thought prior to that as as my wife Julie did that I might have been a Christian but I had

[00:28:08] not given my life to Christ I was agnostic weakening willing to go along the churches willing to talk and do

[00:28:15] things uh but in reality I was avoiding it as much as possible I was just

[00:28:20] climbing the ladder and as far as I could in in the in in the world what

[00:28:25] happened what happened in that church service that because you said you know you you don’t even remember the message that was

[00:28:33] shared um but was it just was for you at this point was it an

[00:28:40] intellectual um acceptance of the reality of the Bible or was it something

[00:28:45] going on I mean it’s both right but what was happening inside of you it was both

[00:28:51] but it was no longer an academic intellectual element it was a spiritual element um that’s what hit me what hit

[00:28:58] my wife Julie as well and um um so for both of us we came out of

[00:29:04] there stunned uh we we’ll talk much more about the academic side of it later when she

[00:29:10] said that day everything changed in her mind and she suddenly realized Evolution never occurred uh because she had read

[00:29:17] the Bible she had been challenged in a in a way that I’d been challenged that don’t accept these paradigms as as

[00:29:23] correct as truth and on that day heard the truth whatever that message was we

[00:29:28] heard it and we were stunned and so I guess it was an emotional Journey that

[00:29:34] day we were completely overwhelmed and uh both gave our lives to Christ and that is that is a

[00:29:42] wonderful story that changed everything so I do actually probe some Churches

[00:29:47] When I visit them and just say so if an atheist can bring a agnostic into church

[00:29:52] how are you guys going that is great I love it what a message um so uh for those of you

[00:30:01] listening my guest is Dr Ron neller and um he’s with creation Ministries International creation.com they have

[00:30:07] over 15,000 articles I’ve used them numerous times and and um wonderful

[00:30:13] wonderful scientists uh who love the Lord and have done uh a lot of uh

[00:30:18] diligent research that is useful for touching people’s hearts opening their minds and getting them to um look at the

[00:30:27] actual evidence because the evidence is for Christianity not against it um so Dr

[00:30:33] neller uh what are you involved in now as far as what are the things that you’re interested in that pertain to

[00:30:40] things like um the flood and so forth uh because I know you do you do research is

[00:30:46] that correct correct I as creation Ministries International I’m a writer

[00:30:52] and a speaker and in the writing I do like to uh look at um I still continue

[00:30:58] to do research part of what I did when I first joined creation Ministries was to go back over my own research that I had

[00:31:04] interpreted in other ways and that’s opened up a whole lot of doors wow so the uh underfit Rivers I wrote as an

[00:31:12] underfit River according to my case study but now uh I’ve got an article in

[00:31:18] our Journal uh submitted it there so I’ve Rewritten and looked at a whole lot of other evidence I’ve visited many

[00:31:23] other sites done all that uh same with um uh fossil studies same with uh other

[00:31:30] topics I what I’ve done is I’ve gone back over even some of the work I did in Marine Science in um um in in China off

[00:31:39] the off the shore of Hong Kong um that clearly points to a global flood as well

[00:31:45] at the time I didn’t see it so much but I do now and so what I’ve been mapping

[00:31:51] so in Hong Kong you said what what points to the global flood when you look at we did Drilling in the sea FL La yeah

[00:31:59] and essentially what we found was a sequence of sediments that reflects one um one basic sequence where the top is

[00:32:08] the Marine but prior to that are flood planes when the sea level was lower and so on you don’t see multiple evidences

[00:32:15] of the sea level going up and down you only see one um there so it matches the

[00:32:22] um uh the biblical point of view and the scientific point of view from creation Ministries that the Global flood was

[00:32:29] followed by an ice age because the tumultuous turmoil in the atmosphere and the ocean temperatures and so on did

[00:32:36] lead to a short um Ice Age um which then

[00:32:41] obviously affected parts of North America Finland and others which I inspected um but uh the evidence

[00:32:47] offshore even in Hong Kong points to that same conclusion that there was a flood and a single Ice Age as well the

[00:32:56] sea level you can even see the original channels underwater buried deep underwater from the rivers that flowed

[00:33:02] through off off the shore of um China and Hong Kong and then the oceans Rose After the flood as the ice melted yes so

[00:33:10] we had we had the sea level rise basically to where it was today originally straight after the flood as it melted then it kicked into an ice age

[00:33:17] of short duration we’re talking only probably in the order of about 500 to 700 years um which is interesting in the

[00:33:24] Book of Job he refers to the ice up in the mountains where we do know there was ice evident during the flood um and um

[00:33:31] then the sea level Rose back up again roughly to where it is today and um the

[00:33:37] the evidence of all that sea level a singular sea level is quite strong um so it all matches into a global flood once

[00:33:43] again it was the after effects of the FL so would you say um was there one

[00:33:51] main because you because we talked about the un uh unfit Rivers um was there one

[00:33:56] main evidence for you that was overwhelmingly compelling or was it just

[00:34:02] the the accumulation of data that ended up causing you to believe that it was both Kevin it was both um

[00:34:10] there was accumulation because I was working in so many areas so many locations with so many scientists from

[00:34:15] so many different disciplines I kept seeing patterns running through this that was one I guess the one that

[00:34:21] impacted me um quite significantly was the formation of fossils because to create fossils you need rapid and deep

[00:34:29] sedimentation the piling up of sediment on top of them and it has to be fairly deep in order to compact it also has to

[00:34:36] be deep to make it an in oxic environment lacking in oxygen so you got to look at it 50 centimeters or so but

[00:34:41] as I was traveling the world I was measuring sediment rates of transfer all around the world whether it was in

[00:34:47] Finland or or Peru um and what I found is that um despite the media and despite

[00:34:53] our environmental claims the actual amount of sediment going out into the world is minimal and no matter where I

[00:35:00] looked around the world I could not find enough sediment that I would even find that could fossilize cockroaches on a

[00:35:06] grand scale let alone a T-Rex to give you one example the

[00:35:11] majority of fossils are Marine origin about 95% or so about of marine origin

[00:35:17] yet the deposition of sediment in the oceans that we’ve been monitoring for years is in the order of about 50 mm

[00:35:24] over a thousand years now that’s

[00:35:29] 0.05 millimet per year and and you know that because when you look at sunken ships there’s no sediment on top of them

[00:35:36] so how do you explain 95% of the world’s fossils when the oceans don’t get the

[00:35:42] sediment deposited in them at the rate and the depth that you need to Compact

[00:35:49] and speedily cover to protect it from predation um even when you come close to shore such as off the uh Columbia the

[00:35:56] magdalan river even there and that’s a dirty River the depth of sedimentation yearly is 2 to 3

[00:36:03] cm wow you can’t get very excited about that from a fossil point of view you can

[00:36:09] get excited from an environmental point of view but not from a fossil point of view you need you need more than tens of

[00:36:15] centimeters you know you need meters so this information to me yeah yeah exactly

[00:36:21] this information to me seems overwhelmingly um obvious and it’s

[00:36:27] interesting because a while back um there was a show that came on Netflix where a guy who’s not really a scientist

[00:36:33] he’s more of a journalist I don’t know if you saw this uh he was talking about ancient apocalypses and he actually

[00:36:39] references all the flood Legends all over the world and he he comes to the conclusion that there was most

[00:36:45] definitely a worldwide flood he’s not even a Christian um but I just find it

[00:36:50] interesting that this evidence seems to be mounting more and more and more and more and I mean you can only it seems

[00:36:56] like you could only ignore it for so before you finally just have to go okay we I I give but do you feel like this

[00:37:02] information is making Headway in any sense whether that’s you know in

[00:37:07] universities or or out in the public or wherever do you feel like it’s making um an

[00:37:14] impact I think it will in time but it’s it’s classic to any new idea in

[00:37:20] science and I think uh a philosopher named Khan spoke about that that we can

[00:37:25] walk along one track and when we come to wall we don’t quite know what to do with it we’re not going to go up the wall

[00:37:30] we’re going to turn back and continue in our own merry Journey on the platform we’re currently on and that has been

[00:37:35] shown time and time again in science um we had one Australian scientist who was a medic uh looking at

[00:37:42] ulcers judal ulcers and so on he determined it was bacteria but 300

[00:37:47] people close to 300 people at a conference laughed and walked out on him he actually had to infect himself with

[00:37:53] the ulcer to actually um or the bacteria to actually then pure himself and

[00:37:59] identify it that’s how silly it got to he was awarded in the end a Nobel award

[00:38:04] for his research but it took him 30 years and so there is an automatic

[00:38:10] resistance to new ideas but you are right there is an incredible uh amount of evidence doesn’t

[00:38:17] matter whether it’s a fossil whether it’s a landscape whether it’s a flood whether it’s an ice age it is overwhelmingly now pointing towards a

[00:38:24] global flood so well we do find more people starting to think about it but we

[00:38:30] haven’t yet crossed that line yep yep well I really want to appreciate I I really appreciate all the work you’ve

[00:38:36] done and everything you’re doing it’s wonderful and uh um really appreciate creation Ministries uh what you guys

[00:38:43] have done is fantastic and a huge blessing to so many people so thanks for all you’re doing my pleasure Kevin always my

[00:38:51] pleasure uh and hopefully we can have uh you know creation Ministries I know you guys travel around a speak do you ever

[00:38:57] do you ever get get over to the states to speak over here I will probably be over to the states not necessarily speak

[00:39:03] but I will if I’m there I will speak if opportunities I know a couple past who would love me to speak if I’m touring

[00:39:10] the area um so well I’ll give up my Sundays and come and

[00:39:15] speak you’re in California let me know I will do been there before enjoyed it

[00:39:22] love Disney Disneyland yeah Ed of course yeah anyway well uh

[00:39:31] thank you for sharing that testimony too that’s a that’s a wonderful story I’m going to um hold on to that one and share it with my students that’s

[00:39:37] fantastic and U for those of you listening um please reach out creation.com if you’re interested in

[00:39:44] talking to uh Dr neller himself I’m sure you can reach him by email and uh he’d be happy to give you any information or

[00:39:51] or dialogue that you’d like just to uh chat about these issues and um we’re

[00:39:56] going to have some wonderful guests coming up here uh very soon to talk more about these sorts of issues I I have a

[00:40:03] woman who converted out of Hinduism who’s going to be on the show um pretty soon um I believe next week and then we

[00:40:09] have some other guests coming up real quick here to talk about uh things like the GL the fossil record um dinosaurs

[00:40:16] and a bunch of other evidence so uh thanks for being here with us this evening and uh Dr neller thanks again

[00:40:22] look forward to having you on maybe again in the future so thank you thank you Kevin much appreci appreciate it

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